OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:35 pm

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What questions
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:54 pm

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This question
In post 518, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 514, Desperado wrote:@ Dunnstral: What do you make of ThinkBig leaving the AH wagon to vote you despite a reads list that has Antihuman as his biggest scumread?
@TB why are you voting me instead of AH
As I explained above. You were buddying him in an anti-town way and anti-town feel. Do you still think AH is town? If so, why?
Stop feigning ignorance.

I'd also like to know why you were quick to defend AH despite his fast moving wagon.
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:32 pm

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@TB I meant your case on AH was the fact you thought he was tunneling you.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:35 pm

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Sorry for a convulated and somewhat confusing post, but in short my scum read is that your attack on AH is ingenuine.
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:36 pm

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In post 527, Superhans wrote:@TB I meant your case on AH was the fact you thought he was tunneling you.
And he was...not only was he tunneling me, but he misrepresented my posts and ignored other similar posts. Do you feel that he was tunneling me? Why or why not?

P-edit: Why do you feel my attack on him was not genuine? Do you believe that his attack on me was genuine?
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:37 pm

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You instigated and approve of the ah waging? No?
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:38 pm

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His attack on you was poor. It was forced and relied on shut logic.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:39 pm

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But was it scummy? Nah not hugely.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:39 pm

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In post 530, Superhans wrote:You instigated and approve of the ah waging? No?
Yes, I did help to instigate the AH wagon and I do approve of the wagon.
In post 531, Superhans wrote:His attack on you was poor. It was forced and relied on shut logic.
And this is exactly why I responded by voting for him. If you agree that his attack on me was poor and forced, why do you think my response was anti-town?
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:40 pm

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My scum read on u is stronger after it response. I'll elaborate in the morning.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:41 pm

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Cos ur logic was shitter
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:42 pm

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Gonna elaborate hard AF in morning
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:02 pm

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In post 475, ThinkBig wrote:Just re read the last few pages.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I really don't like his defense of antihuman. It reeks the smell of buddying.
This post feels off. Why did you only notice his buddying after a re-read? It's not like it's hard evidence that you need to dig for, 'buddying' is very subjective and you can only judge it based on your own feelings and should notice it at the first glance, so if it didn't spark any suspicion in you the first time you saw our interactions, why are you saying it looks suspicious now? Looks to me like you're trying to plant something post factum here.
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In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
Desperado obv Traitor, maybe...

But Desperado + MariaR -> traitor... I don'k think so.
What makes you think Desperado may be the traitor? And why do you say Maria's unlikely to be one?

Imo this:
In post 155, MariaR wrote:Oh no I'm found scum in 155 posts
...so scary
In conjunction with this:
In post 246, MariaR wrote:Crumbing roles are something I expect scum to do more then town
Looks pretty interesting, wouldn't you say?
In post 492, Alisae wrote:Raleo - null scum
Don't like the phrasing of "Why would I do X"
<--- looks nai to me, it's only natural everyone tries to compare stuff to their pov

Also don't like how they back up Maria on confirming my slot as town.

Superhans -Nullscumlean
Oppertunistic voting
Sheepish behavoir
<--- can't agree with this, he looks to be trying to solve the game


Kop - Town
<--- which posts stand out the most?

Genuinely evaluating game

Algebra - Scum
Needs to eat rope beacause common core is shit, and in my algebra 2 class I didn't learn a single thing
<--- meh, forced jokes like this are more likely to come from scum in my experience


Kyouko - probably town
Pointing out crumbs but dunno what to make of it.
<--- do you think this

Genuinely evaluates the game
<--- and this are connected, i.e. she has outside knowledge and uses it to influcence the game?


Desperato - Traitor
Mostly based on Maria's slot. Don't like how they confirmed my slot as town.

Gamma - Needs Rope
Don't like their vote right away on Desperato as they replaced. Sure it's probably pressure but I feel as if it completely disregarded Maria's play.

TB - Probably Town
<--- because of the town things he did or cause you're scumreading me?


Davesaz - Town
Genuinely attempting to solve the game
<--- agreed


Antihuman - Needs Rope
Sure they have some bad posts
Attempts to derail the gamma wagon. If Gamma flipped scum this would look really bad for him
<--- shit argument cause you don't know what Gamma will flip. Or do you?
How would Gamma flipping town influence my alignment in your opinion?


Dunn - I can't read this shit. Gun to my head town?
<--- his latest exchange with TB looks towny imo


Reads based off of the last 10 pages.
In post 503, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Here are my reads so far:

Algebra
- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.

Alisae
- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.

ssbm_Kyouko
- Null lean.

Davesaz
- Null town.

Kop - Null

Gamma - Null

Superhans - Null

Dunnestral
- Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.

Realeao
- Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.

Antihuman
- I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.

I think that's everyone. Let me know if I missed someone.
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I also think I mistook desperado/dunnestral. I also have a SL on desperado.
So you're basically scumreading everyone who's been recently frowned upon on whatever reasons. Weak.
In post 521, Dunnstral wrote:OK

So why aren't you voting AH who has 3 votes, and instead voting me who only has yours

What are you trying to do
Good point, stuff like this makes me tr Dunn. He has a very good point. I'd rather undecided people jumped on my wagon, flipped me and proceeded on D2 with plenty of interactions to analyse rather than waited for a panic lynch at the very last moment. We need to consolidate wagons.
In post 524, ThinkBig wrote: Why was my vote on AH tunneling? I initially voted for him because he initially attacked me in an opportunistic and scummy way by misrepresenting my posts and misrepresenting my position. He attacked me for being V/LA and he attacked me for my RQS questions. The only player that AH has openly and explicitly attacked was me.
I'm curious why did you feel threatened by someone attacking you for shitty reasons like activity and rqs. You look very insecure, yet your rebuttal at me seems to suggest otherwise. I'm sensing a clash of two different mindsets here, why is that?
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:07 pm

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When it comes to Kop ISO him. He has some good stuff.

If you're implying that Kyouko has slipped I really don't like that.

TB was moreso a gut read. because of his town things.

And you know "gun to my head" means "If you forced me to take a stance"

How Gamma could flip is a bunch of WIFOM.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:18 pm

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In post 538, Alisae wrote: If you're implying that Kyouko has slipped I really don't like that.
I'm not implying anything, I'm trying to understand your thought process and get a more decisive stance from you than "I'm uncertain". I'll take you're townleaning on Kyouko right now.
In post 538, Alisae wrote: And you know "gun to my head" means "If you forced me to take a stance"
Yes, that's why I encouraged you to take a look at his latest posts. His exchange with TB should look TvT from your pov.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:44 pm

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Just realized I've been reading but not posting.
In retrospect I think MariaR did indeed crumb traitor. Too late at night to dig further but I can vote at least.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:50 am

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In post 526, ThinkBig wrote:I'd also like to know why you were quick to defend AH despite his fast moving wagon.
There's no despite - I was "quick" to defend (it happened like 18 hours after the fact or something) because of his fast moving wagon
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:51 am

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In post 526, ThinkBig wrote:This question
In post 518, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 514, Desperado wrote:@ Dunnstral: What do you make of ThinkBig leaving the AH wagon to vote you despite a reads list that has Antihuman as his biggest scumread?
@TB why are you voting me instead of AH
As I explained above. You were buddying him in an anti-town way and anti-town feel. Do you still think AH is town? If so, why?
Stop feigning ignorance.

I'd also like to know why you were quick to defend AH despite his fast moving wagon.
I already explained: he doesn't feel like he did in a game where he was scum. Completely different. I know that's not solid but aside from that I liked his push (even if it was "overblown") and aside from that see no reason to want him to be the lynch.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:54 am

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In post 537, Antihuman wrote:meh, forced jokes like this are more likely to come from scum in my experience
for math jokes graphing is where I draw the line
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:54 am

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In post 537, Antihuman wrote:We need to consolidate wagons.
Seems a bit early to be in a rush about that, though
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:56 am

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By the way I don't really buy the traitor crumb theory

at the very least it's a bit of a stretch

I'm voting desperado regardless
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:57 am

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I'll note that last game of this type I was traitor and I was the first to call someone out on crumbing traitor
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:58 am

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I'd say two days before the deadline is exactly the time to be in a rush about it.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:00 am

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2 days 17 hours

Wow I definitely thought we had more time, though.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:37 am

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Okay I'm going to expand upon why I've decided to place my vote (first serious vote after an early game pressure vote on Gamma) onto ThinkBig.

Firstly, I'd like to reiterate the points I made when I cast my vote in
1) ThinkBig's attack of AntiHuman is opportunistic.
2) ThinkBig adopts the rationale that AntiHuman was trying to derail the Gammagon; the Gammagon was never going anywhere, and the way in which AntiHuman tried to derail the wagon doesn't make sense as a scum partner. Do not rate this theory at all.
In post 524, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 523, Superhans wrote:Voting ThinkBig mainly for being on, and creating the AntiHuman wagon.

In post 371, grapes wrote:
Antihuman ( 4 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko) <The AntiHuman wagon. You've unvoted and placed vote on Dunnstral, but you're claiming that you're very much still ON this wagon, if you get what I mean.
No, I don't get what you mean. When did I claim I was still on his wagon after voting for dunnestral?


Your case on AntiHuman smells opportunistic to me.
I disagree with AntiHuman's logic, but scum? Maybe, but I don't think your attack on him should be made with your level of confidence.

Also your vote on AH is him tunnelling? but he has gone after other players too? No? I don't buy the derail the Gamma wagon theory. THe gammagon was not really a wagon at all, just a response to his weird af playstyle.
Why was my vote on AH tunneling? I initially voted for him because he initially attacked me in an opportunistic and scummy way by misrepresenting my posts and misrepresenting my position. He attacked me for being V/LA and he attacked me for my RQS questions. The only player that AH has openly and explicitly attacked was me.
Wtf do you mean that you're not on the AntiHuman wagon? You clearly stated that you switching votes to Dunnestral was your playstyle, but you have the strongest scum read on AntiHuman. In my books that is no different to not being on the wagon. You also suggest that you would happily switch by to AntiHuman:
In post 516, ThinkBig wrote:@Desperado: AH was and still is my biggest SR. the reason I switched my vote was to provide pressure for dunnestral. He hasn't really been contributing and buddies in an anti-town kind of way. Thus my vote is for pressure. I'll certainly switch my vote back at a later time. This is simply my play style.

P-edit: Accusations and analysis of buddying and budding is best done after a flip. That is just my opinion. One doesn't necessarily follow the other.
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