Open 666 - Pick Your Poison - Day 5

[Superhans]

Sorry sorry sorry for turning up late

Couldn't find the game thread

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I'll whip up a 2k17 readlist after getting through what has been said so far.

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K readlist maybe over ambitious still v RVS.

@Hawk never play tipsy, can't see how it can end well. Also I'm Superhans, the character from Peep Show, idk what makes him super.

[Superhans]

So what the fuck did ywall do on new years?

Partied like it's 9/11

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Zyf is chatting breeze but this is RVS so I don't think it means anything. It would be nice if u could explain what u mean when u say it's ur birthday.

[Superhans]

VOTE: ASimplePlan
Happy bday bby

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@Zyf
What'd ya mean in 23 when you say u and Gamma r on the same side? Sorry if I'm being a block head :-/

[Superhans]

wtf is Alisae actually trying to start up a wagon?
VOTE: Zyf

[Superhans]

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

[Superhans]

Y is zyf probably town?

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His reasoning sucks

[Superhans]

Maybe genuine though...

[Superhans]

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

that's precisely the problem
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me

I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.

You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.

[Superhans]

@Alisae, @ASimplePlan, @rb
Why are you all townreading Zyf, am i missing something really obvious?

[Superhans]

I didn't keep tally but I'd say >50% of the game still responded tho. Why aren't you doing anything with the information that you did get?

Probably because the information he received won't help in regards to determining ones alignment.

What information? Am I the only person who didn't udnerstand this?

[Superhans]

What question?

[Superhans]

@Desparado, why did you vote Lil Uzi Vert? Would you want to convince others to do the same?

[Superhans]

Yeah Zyf you're probably town.
Let's vote here instead.
VOTE: Superhans

I can support this
I don't particularly like you backing off just because you're not getting support, and if hans flips scum you're still quite a possible partner, buuuuut....

Y is zyf probably town?

VOTE: Superhans
What kind of reasoning is this?
the only reason you got on my wagon is because it could be a wagon
but when the wagon ends apparently you had a reason to think I was scum?
Why was I scum in the first place? For poor reasoning?
I didn't have much to work with to begin with. That whole thing was a poke to get reactions from alisae and others
and you did some weiiiiiiird things

are you an alt or are you actually new to this?

Zyf how is me voting you buddying Alisae? Your attack on Alisae is my biggest scum read on you, and I don't know exactly what I've done that you find weird.
What reactions

did

you get from Alisae? (convenient that 'the whole thing was a poke'). In answer to whether I am an alt or not, I don't think I have any obligation to tell you and I don't see how its really that relevant.

@rb
I interpreted your post in 125 as you town reading Zyf.

[Superhans]

It's less that i townread zyf than I wanna know why 2 RVS votes are parked on him

My vote isn't random.

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@Lil Uzi
What are your reads on Zyf, what are your reads on Alisae.

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@ Superhans: I didn't like him ignoring the Zyf/Alisae encounter to answer a question that wasn't asked of him, and then I also didn't like him lying about his intentions when pressed on it.

It's good enough for now. You got a better idea?

I see where you're coming from with your point that he answered someone elses question, but I don't get where Uzi lied about his intentions.

[Superhans]

Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.

92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.

[Superhans]

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

that's precisely the problem
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me

I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.

You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.

what the FUCK dude
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you could

possibly

be scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)

K I'm going to make my rationale clearer for you.

When I voted you in 70 it was because I felt that you had made attacks on Alisae that weren't pro-town. Post 23 made no sense. In post 55 you say that you don't trust Alisae, based on what exactly? The fact she voted you?

Post 69 is what galvanised me into voting for you, specifically the bit I'm going to bold:

Lmao it's my "birthday"
It's not but w/e
Regardless that's not really relevant and it'd be much more inclined to trust you if your friendly question were accompanied by a more useful question or comment.
Aside from that, the fact that your initial post was to acknowledge uzi but you voted me instead is a bit odd
I'm not going to get into the pedantic argument about "person who starts wagon is scum" but it

is

a possibility
As such, I'll ignore the gamma bait for now.
I don't get what your problem is btw gamma, because we were on the SAME side e.e
smh
VOTE: alisae

In RVS? Why are you trying to get conversation going so quickly when we're only in a page in. Why do you want out of RVS so fast?

Why do you want RVS to last so long?
Everyone should have the most freedom of time now, and besides, RVS doesn't do jack squat.
Why are you trying to extend RVS?
There is extremely little benefit of RVS relative to once the real voting starts, and there's detriment in the form of false friendship.
I don't trust you.

Who said I want it to last long. I want it to be as natural as it can possibly be and I don't like how you're forcing us out of RVS.
RVS does tons of things, one being testing reactions. Like for example you're acting very fucking poorly to my attempt at an RQS, and you are reacting poorly when I hopped on your wagon.
RVS last usually from 2-3 pages till like 5 pages.

there is no such thing as a "natural" end to RVS. It ends when someone decides to end it. Obviously, you want to extend it, because rather than saying "let's get a wagon going" you just kinda vote me. Which gives me minor scum vibes, regardless of whether or not it's directed at me.
Screw RQS. It's never been useful and I can't see it being useful in the foreseeable future. Not if it's random like that.

You say I react poorly to your vote on me, but it has nothing to do with me.

It has everything to do with you nonchalantly trying to start a wagon without owning up to it.

What do you mean Alisae needs to own up to it? Own up to what? This push on Alisae seems to me (surprised that no one else shares my opinion) of an attempt to smear Alisae early game.

You say that you don't trust Alisae, but then as soon as opportunity presents itself you follow her vote onto me, for what I assume is just the fact I voted you.

[Superhans]

gamma and superhans explain please

Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.

92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.

Hey look, someone else even asked you. Why the hell aren't you doing it?

You mean what you're doing? Scumreading via bullshit/soft/non-existent reasoning?
Also I'd like to note that you are now giving reasoning for someone else as scum that's way more concrete than what you've given for me, yet continue to ignore making a case against me BUT continuing to vote me.

You're also LITERALLY CLONING desperado. All that has already been implicitly or explicitly said, we get that those posts are supposed to be scummy. I just don't really see it b/c that's how I felt Uzi was last time I played with him but apparently that was his town play.
But the fact that you're copying someone else when they LITERALLY JUST POSTED IT is scummy.

I'd also like to note that your aggresion ramped way the fk up after I voted you, starting with a desperate search for someone to defend you as town or support you against me. Which is also concerningly scummy.
That couldn't have been more of a "townread me! townread me!" attitude if you tried as hard as you could
VOTE: Superhans definitely not a poke vote any more

Give me some fucking time, repeating the question doesn't mean I'm avoiding it! Also saying that I'm aggressive, or that I'm a noob, or that I'm now shadowing desperado (complete bs btw, I was answering his question, he literally asks me what I think about his analysis).

Saying that i'm a noob, or that i'm being aggressive (this is my playstyle btw, look at my other games) is not productive. You're devolving this into a shit slanging match.

[Superhans]

you're trying to choke me on content before I have a chance to respond.

Also my vote early game wasn't exactly me trying to push you into being lynched it was just (at the time) a response to #69.

[Superhans]

I like the cut of Zyf's jib and I dislike the cut of these RVS votes by Gamma/Superhans.

VOTE: Superhans

My vote wasn't random.

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@Zyf is this 'cloning desperado'?

I didn't keep tally but I'd say >50% of the game still responded tho. Why aren't you doing anything with the information that you did get?

Probably because the information he received won't help in regards to determining ones alignment.

To be fair, I dunno why he would answer it for me. Comes off as trying to whiteknight or buddy me or some shit.

I'm not sure how you got that from my answer. If anything, it puts you in a bad light.

How does it do that?

It puts him a bad light because it implies he's just asking questions to look busy.

^Are you buying this?

Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.

92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.

[Superhans]

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

that's precisely the problem
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me

I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.

You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.

what the FUCK dude
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you could

possibly

be scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)

@Zyf
Could you have made this point without calling me stupid?
Also point 5) is pedantic af.

You say my scumcusation on you is desperate (can you elaborate upon this) but you're not exaclty in a position to talk. Your scum reads on Alisae seem forced, and your scum reads on me seem opportunistic.

[Superhans]

thanks for looking out for me

[Superhans]

@Zyf
In all honesty my vote on you wasn't founded with 100% certainty, it was like page 3, and my rationale is in 160. It looks incredibly weak rn because the game has progressed by a large extent, and my vote has had none of the effects that I wanted it to have. (although it certainly has helped shape my opinion on other players, so will be useful for future reads if i can survive d1).

[Superhans]

thanks for looking out for me

thoroughly concerned because desperado vote was half bait and you're awfully swingy based on whether or not I'm pushing you

but there are more concerning things to take care of rn, so if you could kindly please vote desperado because i need some answers

I'm trying not to be so aggressive :l

[Superhans]

@Desperado, why did you make a naked vote?
Even if all the reasoning has been made beforehand, you still need to explain what exactly inspires you to vote me.

[Superhans]

@Zyf at the time I thought that you had slipped up as scum, and I had caught you... vote on you was a scum vote to get you to explain yourself. I think because I wasn't clear enough, because your response was basically a 'wut?' and then onslaught of (in my opinion rather poor logic) scum attack on me.
Whats an HE?

[Superhans]

I'm unvoting cos literally everyone is town reading you, and people really don't appreciate my scumcusation on you.
UNVOTE: Unvote

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@Zyf
In all honesty my vote on you wasn't founded with 100% certainty, it was like page 3, and my rationale is in 160. It looks incredibly weak rn because the game has progressed by a large extent, and my vote has had none of the effects that I wanted it to have. (although it certainly has helped shape my opinion on other players, so will be useful for future reads if i can survive d1).

ok that makes more sense, thank you
what effects were you looking for, exactly?

A L I S A E I S A H E

Anyway, the fact that they say hi to uzi and then just vote me without saying anything like "let's get a wagon going" would be fine, except for the fact that they tried to initiate RQS after. It was a rather weak push (I didn't have much to work with), but evidently it got the game off the ground.
The vote on you was not opportunistic. The vote on you was because it felt like you were being opportunistic by trying to join a wagon that was an RVS wagon, except that you were doing it seriously but without any reasoning.

? There wasn't a wagon on you...

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@D3f3nder
is ur vote on a simple plan rvs?

[Superhans]

There is a criminally scarce amount of content from A Simple Plan, Gamma, Gendaberry, ArcAngel9 and Hawk...

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@Gamma y r u voting Zyf?

[Superhans]

There is a criminally scarce amount of content from A Simple Plan, Gamma, Gendaberry, ArcAngel9 and Hawk...

dude
it's new years
give them the benefit of the doubt

we've got like 2 days or something till we need a lynch... not infeasible that scum could just coast through D1 without posting.

[Superhans]

y would you vote desperado for a pressure vote, then before he has a chance to even respond, you unvote?

[Superhans]

Vote Count

Not Voting (2):

ArcAngel9, Superhans

Zyf (1):

Gamma Emerald

D3f3nd3r (1):

A Simple Plan

desperado (2):

Zyf, Lil Uzi Vert

Superhans (5):

Hawk, Alisae, Gendaberry, Desperado, rb

Gendaberry (2):

Dwlee99, D3f3nd3r

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in: (expired on 2017-01-14 00:00:00)

There is a criminally scarce amount of content from A Simple Plan, Gamma, Gendaberry, ArcAngel9 and Hawk...

dude
it's new years
give them the benefit of the doubt

we've got like 2 days or something till we need a lynch... not infeasible that scum could just coast through D1 without posting.

ok wow extremely scummy shit right here
we have 11 days
E L E V E N

shiiit my bad, im playing open 663, and i think i got them mixed up >:(

[Superhans]

also saying something is scummy shit, doesn't make it scummy shit. U think that me messing up is scummy?

[Superhans]

And why if you know there's 11 days would you place me in a situation vulnerable to a lolhammer?

[Superhans]

No you were informed that Desperado frequently naked votes, not that he frequently places players into L1 without warning them.
Also can you give me an example of a player i've smeared?

[Superhans]

also explain what HE is, and answer my question on 198

[Superhans]

VOTE: Superhans

[Superhans]

gonna kill convo.