Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[GuyInFreezer]

SirCakez

,

Town Tracker

, was lynched Day 6.

Now it is Night 6.

Same deal as last night. Deadline in (expired on 2016-12-30 11:23:01)

[GuyInFreezer]

Searching for replacement for Luna Fox.

[GuyInFreezer]

TheDominator37 replaces Luna Fox.

The day will begin in (expired on 2017-01-01 12:24:30).

[GuyInFreezer]

No one died Night 6

Now it is Day 7.

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-15 12:28:31).

[pieguyn]

so after the Cakez flip I thought about things a _lot_ to make sure I wasn't going down the wrong path anywhere with this plan. I drew a few conclusions from this.

1. I was entirely wrong in my assumption that GE wasn't a good scum player - he has had games where he was fairly obviously scum, but he has also had games where he's played well and in one case actually pretty much carried his scum team. I am actually not sure what game I saw which had scum-him being lynched D1, since I didn't find it on review. in either case, this prompted me to do an actual, proper meta dive on GE to make sure I wasn't going wrong with the read on him.

to be honest, after diving into his meta a bit, I still think he's very likely town here, just that I was wrong in my initial assumption of his play and it's nowhere near lock-town like I thought it was (maybe like 60~70% instead of ~100%). I might explain this in a separate post if people contest this, as well as more about why I think his play looks town in general, but going into the next point:

2. I went back and reviewed Luna again, and I still feel very good about her being among the set of players we're making dead. in fact, barring what she did with beeboy, I've actually arrived at a scum read on the rest of her play after reviewing it. again, might explain this in a separate post but I feel pretty OK with the idea of lynching her before pisskop here since I still don't really see pisskop's play here making sense coming from scum.

3. I'm putting this in a separate point because I think it's relevant enough, but first off, I doubt a hypothetical scum-GE with a role that wasn't goon attempts the VT claim in the way that he did, barring certain corner scenarios (i.e. Wisdom coaching him into doing it). I think that probably with a no-vanilla scum team, the scum team realizes/discusses that this is role-madness in pregame, which makes claiming like that unless you're actually vanilla a fairly risky play. I think this also points to Luna scum, because from a balance POV, Luna-town here would mean that we have RB, tracker, 1x bulletproof miller vig, and IC and backup IC (which in any universe should be two confirmed town) to rail on a scum team of two faith healers and a goon. on the other hand I still think 1x bulletproof miller vig is broken as hell and would necessitate a full counter, especially given GIF's ideas of setup balance; RB works well enough for this since functionally that means the vig is completely useless once it's forced to claim until/unless the RB is lynched at some point, and I don't *really* know if two faith healers can really be considered enough a counter to that + all the other roles (which they can do nothing against).

4. Luna-scum also gives a trivial explanation for the initial no kill back on N2, and it's also a play that I think would be fairly typical of her in that position now that I think about it a bit more, but this probably isn't a tell.

[pieguyn]

another point that I just thought of: if the scum team had faith healer/faith healer/goon, the goon should have done the kill N1, not one of the faith healers. so if GE is scum, he absolutely did decide to go and early-claim VT, for no particular reason (since even though I'm town reading for it he can't gamble on people town reading him for it hard enough for it to be worth it, especially when he hasn't *really* demonstrated the ability to make risky plays as scum before) when he would have known it was a role-madness setup.

bonus points for this coz he expressed back on D1 he wasn't familiar with role madness games having a VT in them, which would be a pretty neat bluff if he is in fact scum here

[TheDominator37]

Hi. Did luna claim?
Also
VOTE: nahdia more lated

[TheDominator37]

Actually that doesnt matter. Im rber and I blocked nahdia last nighy

[TheDominator37]

N1: beeboy
N2: beeboy
N3: Gamma Emerald
N4: pieguyn
N5: SirCakez

[Nahdia]

...........i'm the innocent child.

[Nahdia]

maybe you should have done SOME reading, dude. there hasnt been a single mafia kill. your roleblock doesn't mean shit. good to know mafia didnt even try to kill though. that's helpful.

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh, by doing this town has the upper hand. I just don't know which person is the last scum yet. AAAGH SO EASY YET SO HARD

[TheDominator37]

...........i'm the innocent child.

What? GIF hasn't put anything out about it.

[Nahdia]

I haven't used the power because there's a backup IC and if I trigger my ability, they can't confirm themselves when I die. But yes, I am claiming innocent child. I claimed it days ago. Unvote me.

[Nahdia]

Seriously, read the game.

[TheDominator37]

I dont have the time nor will to read 135 pags
VOTE: nahdia

[TheDominator37]

Does anyone else have a kill stopping ability?
What other roles have been claimed?

[Nahdia]

oh my god.

dude.
EVERYONE ELSE HAS CLAIMED.

THERE HAS BEEN NO MAFIA KILL THE ENTIRE GAME. NONE. ZERO. ZIP.

[Nahdia]

PLEASE BRING LUNA BACK HOLY FUCK.

[Nahdia]

you DUMB FUCK.

[Nahdia]

Here Dominator. I'm going to going to try once with you. If this doesn't get through to you, I'm done.

Day 1 we lynched town. There was no mafia kill, but the town tracker saw Varsoon (who flipped mafia night 1) visiting Aeronaut (who later flipped town). Aeronaut had a shot of BP, which explains the lack of a death.

Day 2, we lynched Wisdom, who was mafia. Night 2, Aeronaut shot mhsmith0. There was no mafia kill, no BP shots left, and as had already been claimed you dense fuck, you blocked beeboy (who later flipped town). Either mafia shot mhsmith0 or there was no mafia kill at all.

Day 3 we lynched dwlee, who was town. Night 3, Aeronaut shot beeboy. There was no mafia kill, and Aeronaut's shot was pre-claimed, so it definitely wasn't a case of shot stacking. Mafia didn't kill for some other reason.

Day 4 we lynched Aeronaut, who flipped town. Night 4, no one died. Mafia didn't kill anyone.

Day 5, we lynched no one. No one died at night.

Day 6, we lynched SirCakez. No one died at night.

You were blocking different people every night. Everyone has full claimed. There are no other kill stopping abilities. Mafia does not have the ability to kill, clearly.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

[Nahdia]

Why in God's name would you replace into a game if you're going to refuse to read any of it. My god.

[TheDominator37]

Ok few more things
What has piss and gamma claimed
How many mafia are left?

[Nahdia]

Claims:

Myself: IC
pieguyn: Backup IC
Gamma Emerald: VT
pisskop: Universal Neighbor (he was in both neighborhoods, his role specifically told him he was in ALL neighborhoods, which is important because Varsoon & Wisdom fakeclaimed being in a hood together)
You: Roleblocker

we don't know how many mafia are left. Presumably 1, as 10-3 is standard.

[pieguyn]

well, this makes it easy.

Luna lied about her target for some reason yesterday. I think she probably did block Cakez since what happened with Cakez at D6 start is in line with what I know GIF does when an investigative role is roleblocked and doesn't get any result, but then she goes and claims she blocked GE.