WWE Mafia - RAW (OFF TELEVISION)

[Leonshade]

Yeah, stalling to deadline for the sake of using up the entire deadline is not a good idea. I approve of the 48-hour clock.

[Kmd4390]

I feel like we might be jumping harder on this than normal because we need a jump start, but it's a good enough reason for a wagon at this stage in the day.

this feels like an attempt to say the wagon is too fast, without actually saying it. i don't like the line. strange to see this thought followed immediately by a vote.
do you want Penguin lynched or don't you? what do you mean by stage in the day.
~Chara

That's...exactly the opposite of what I was saying. It's fast, but I'm good with it. A Penguin lynch is fine. I wouldn't put them at L-1 if I was against the lynch. By "this stage in the day", I meant we were way too close to deadline to not have any major wagons as I've pointed out recently.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This doesn't feel right. How do I stop Nero's finishing move?

I don't have the slightest clue right now on how to proceed with drafting but I prefer to draft people that won't or usually aren't known for causing conflict and are easy to read. So far, I'm cool with Tywin and Vifam.

Do you oppose the lynch, or simply Nero's method of doing so? If the former, realize that we only have four days left, so if you want a different lynch, you should be working on getting town consensus, not fighting against it.

Nero's method of doing so is fine, I just don't think what they're being lynched for is extremely scummy. It seemed like a few of us only jumped on because it's the first real excitement this game has received since the McMemmo incidient earlier.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sorry. Honestly this is my first time playing as a hydra and I don't want to commit too much while my other head is absent.

This is why I'm getting negative vibes here. It feels like someone doesn't have the confidence to carry the slot on their own for a while and are afraid of messing it up and getting blamed for it. And who feels like that? YEP! Players with RED text in their PMs.

VOTE: Penguinos

P.S. Someone correct me if I'm seeing too much into it. Thank you.

~A50

This is what started the wagon and I don't see why a lack of confindence in this situation can't come from town.

[Ms Columbo]

Sorry. Honestly this is my first time playing as a hydra and I don't want to commit too much while my other head is absent.

This is why I'm getting negative vibes here. It feels like someone doesn't have the confidence to carry the slot on their own for a while and are afraid of messing it up and getting blamed for it. And who feels like that? YEP! Players with RED text in their PMs.

VOTE: Penguinos

P.S. Someone correct me if I'm seeing too much into it. Thank you.

~A50

This is what started the wagon and I don't see why a lack of confindence in this situation can't come from town.

What do you think of Penguinos's reaction once the wagon started?

[McMenno]

may you not be choked by some wrestler and die in 2017

[Almost Chara]

I just stopped by to say HAPPY NEW YEAR. See you all in 2017 (actually it IS 2017 for me already)

~A50

[DodgeTheSaint]

You two little tools have nothing to do with the draft. Sure, AC might listen to you. I want to know what Lil' has against a Penguinos lynch and yet he's letting Penguinos sit there at L1.

Yeah what AC does and what we think have nothing to do with one another. You should know better.

[DodgeTheSaint]

Above is L-2.

Leon: what about Dodge's recent posting have you liked?
~Chara

I thought his positions were contradictory/fake, but our interactions cleared his stance up for me.

can you be more specific? that's why i asked. you unvoted Dodge just after i said he was an even better townread. which stances/explanations of Dodge changed your feelings.
~Chara

Dodge's initial scumread on McMenno also makes sense, you can see that in 262. While I think that town is more likely to be reckless with/waste their powers, I can see Dodge's point that scum would be the first to know that multiple players have the same powers, and might value them less as a result. I had also forgotten that we didn't know that a vote would be enough to break a submission (thought the other thread had already figured that out, mixed up the timelines in my head) so Dodge breaking the submission early was explained, too.

For clarity, I should have known that a vote breaks a submission. I glossed over it originally.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Nero

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sorry. Honestly this is my first time playing as a hydra and I don't want to commit too much while my other head is absent.

This is why I'm getting negative vibes here. It feels like someone doesn't have the confidence to carry the slot on their own for a while and are afraid of messing it up and getting blamed for it. And who feels like that? YEP! Players with RED text in their PMs.

VOTE: Penguinos

P.S. Someone correct me if I'm seeing too much into it. Thank you.

~A50

This is what started the wagon and I don't see why a lack of confindence in this situation can't come from town.

What do you think of Penguinos's reaction once the wagon started?

Didn't have a problem with it. If they're scum reading Dodge more than Narna than I can understand why they didn't vote for him at the time.

[Narna]

We have three days remaining. Breaking the finisher without pushing another lynch accomplishes nothing.

The only alternative I see you providing is yourself Uzi.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Decided to follow my gut. If their scum I'll gladly take the heat for it but I didn't like the way the wagon formed and more discussion couldn't hurt.

Why would I have to offer myself as an alternative?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

They're also at L-1.

[Ms Columbo]

I will hammer on Sunday around the time Nero's closer would have went into effect. Banana and light show no signs of participating and I'm not sure what else we need to discuss.

Happy New Year!

[Narna]

Decided to follow my gut. If their scum I'll gladly take the heat for it but I didn't like the way the wagon formed and more discussion couldn't hurt.

Why would I have to offer myself as an alternative?

It looks like you're trying to get on the "right" side of the lynch without doing anything to change it.

I don't see why a townie blocks the finisher if they're going to be complicit in lynching the same dude a day later.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Decided to follow my gut. If their scum I'll gladly take the heat for it but I didn't like the way the wagon formed and more discussion couldn't hurt.

Why would I have to offer myself as an alternative?

It looks like you're trying to get on the "right" side of the lynch without doing anything to change it.

I don't see why a townie blocks the finisher if they're going to be complicit in lynching the same dude a day later.

Yeah I don't really have a case for anyone else right now, I just don't think they're scum. I pointed out that they're at L-1 because you seemed to be implying that it would take a while to get them lynched due to me breaking the finisher. I would've compromised.

[Nero Cain]

TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!

The opening riffs of

The Game

by Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.

I think Penguin flips scum here and my biggest bets for his scumbuddies are Dodge and Lil. The Penguin slot seems to have given up on the game and their reaction to getting wagoned was pretty meh. My initial reaction to their vote on Dodge was that it was a throw away to get their buddy some cred. Lil throwing doubt on the wagon but not pushing anyone else is pretty bad and its just feels like he's trying to shall the day.
Though the "scum wouldn't do that" brigade will be in full swing tomorrow. I'd lynch him regardless of Penguinos' flip but I still think Penguin is scum.

[Nero Cain]

TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!

The opening riffs of

The Game

by Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.

I think Penguin flips scum here and my biggest bets for his scumbuddies are Dodge and Lil. The Penguin slot seems to have given up on the game and their reaction to getting wagoned was pretty meh. My initial reaction to their vote on Dodge was that it was a throw away to get their buddy some cred. Lil throwing doubt on the wagon but not pushing anyone else is pretty bad and its just feels like he's trying to shall the day.
Though the "scum wouldn't do that" brigade will be in full swing tomorrow. I'd lynch him regardless of Penguinos' flip but I still think Penguin is scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The first part of your last statement makes me feel like you know I'm town.

[malpascp]

V/LA until the 6th

Sorry guys but I'll post almost nothing

[DodgeTheSaint]

Nero I can't be scum when we're Masons together

[Leonshade]

@Lil Uzi:

I don't see what you're hoping to accomplish. Breaking Nero's move looks like virtue signalling (AKA what Narna said). You doubt he's scum, yet you don't have a strong townread on him (or if you do, based on what?), and you don't have an alternative lynch you're pushing for. You're doing nothing to actually stop the lynch, you're just making a show of your opposition to it. Time for time's sake is just stalling. Real human beings do not produce X amount of discussion per hour like robots, there needs to be something to discuss.

TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!

The opening riffs of

The Game

by Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.

I think Penguin flips scum here and my biggest bets for his scumbuddies are Dodge and Lil. The Penguin slot seems to have given up on the game and their reaction to getting wagoned was pretty meh. My initial reaction to their vote on Dodge was that it was a throw away to get their buddy some cred. Lil throwing doubt on the wagon but not pushing anyone else is pretty bad and its just feels like he's trying to shall the day.

Though the "scum wouldn't do that" brigade will be in full swing tomorrow.

I'd lynch him regardless of Penguinos' flip but I still think Penguin is scum.

You prematurely called out my thought process, haha. I still think Lil Uzi doing this is a negative association in regards to him and Penguinos being buddies, but I've learned that scum players can sometimes be more blatant with their actions than I think.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well I didn't have anything to push because I'm not scum reading Dodge as hard as I did earlier and outside of the a few pings I've gotten from others, I don't feel strongly about anyone for scum as I did Dodge.

I did take a look at Nero's ISO a lot more closely just now though and I didn't like what I saw. His push on KMD is crap. It's just calling their behavior scummy and not really explaining why. The explanation offered in 193 outside of gut doesn't even make sense in my opinion. Scum wouldn't be upset about how town uses their powers here and I don't think they would feel the need to fake being frustrated about it either due to how often disagreements and tunneling early on is usually TvT. The over explanation on what he called a joke in 200 is a little worrying because it seems like scum caught making a friendly jab at their partner.

We also don't even have any idea of who AC is going to draft. It would be nice to know so we can read up on their ISO during Night 1.

[McMenno]

The first part of your last statement makes me feel like you know I'm town.

this kind of argument is the worst of the worst