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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:18 am

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In post 523, Human Sequencer wrote:I don't read him as a particularly experienced or logical player
I read him as a player that is trying to be both - are you calling him a noob? I'm not going after Dave tbh, I 100% agree that he's being arrogant but I would rather lynch scum rather than arrogance.
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:32 am

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I believe his actions and mindset are more consistent with 'inexperienced town' than any kind of scum.
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:32 am

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Dave on the other hand makes perfect sense as inexperienced scum.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:35 am

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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:36 am

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In post 515, Hiraki wrote:
Grendel wrote:Was an incredibly arbitrary point to draw out. Hiraki is an intelligent enough player that he should be able to read between the lines. I definitely feel like such a surface level observation has scummy motives.
I am still waiting for an answer. What are the benefits in this situation?
Town will always win as long as they avoid lynching the chosen ones correct? Then who is and isn't chosen is more important then who is scum.

Like in a 5 way lylo with 2 chosen ones, 1 regular town, and two mafia. A long as the chosen town aren't lynched town wins, the regular town being lynched results in town wining because mafia can't endgame the chosen ones together, and of course lynching mafia results in town's victory.
I'm not a huge fan of your answer when you say the following:

1) Hiraki is smart enough to know why I'm doing this
2) Hiraki might not know how I play the game and therefore that's why he doesn't know why I do this

Which is it?
Option 2 doesn't even exist. I've explicitly said that you've seen me favor lynching secondary/tertiary scum reads over my primary ones.

Did you just skim 509 or...?
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:42 am

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In post 529, Grendel wrote:
In post 515, Hiraki wrote:
Town will always win as long as they avoid lynching the chosen ones correct? Then who is and isn't chosen is more important then who is scum.

Like in a 5 way lylo with 2 chosen ones, 1 regular town, and two mafia. A long as the chosen town aren't lynched town wins, the regular town being lynched results in town wining because mafia can't endgame the chosen ones together, and of course lynching mafia results in town's victory.
Though this is true, I've been mostly ignoring the whole chosen townie thing. It's a secondary wincon town shouldn't even need, especially considering it forces scum to over-extend in obvious ways. A chosen flip is almost more helpful than a scum flip in terms of associations.
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:42 am

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Botched tags, whatevs.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:43 am

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Though, it's always good to lynch scum so we aren't in a really terrible situation if we lynch Chosen.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:45 am

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Of course.
Which is why I don't want to lynch nn (not scum) and instead want to lynch Dave (potentially scum).
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:45 am

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but tbh I don't feel confident in any of my reads anymore.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:46 am

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Though, I've seen nn30 being more active before, not this depressive lackluster.
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:47 am

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Can you at least sheep my sound reasoning here? Or otherwise discredit it with sounder logic?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8659453
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:47 am

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In post 517, TTTT wrote:@Grendel
why Dave over nn?
Dave is scum for playing bad to make town think he wouldn't do that intentionally
nn is scum for 1000 reasons
neither is likely chosen so we are safe lynching here either way
B/c I lik nn more :P

But really, the rapidity of nn30's wagon gave me some last second jeebies that he was chosen.

Especially when Dave hopped on putting it to L-1. I think that scum will be inclined to hop on a chosen one's wagon near the end, and blame the person who hammered going into the next day. Or maybe the person who started the wagon. Any case I thought the forth slot is where scum are more likely to jump on here.

Do you still prefer nn30 over Dave?

I mean, I won't cry if nn30 gets lynched, but at this point my scum read isn't as strong there as it was originally. Dave is much better.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:48 am

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Worth noting nn has the third most posts in thread.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:49 am

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I particularly like nn's read progression on Creature. I'll be kinda sad if he's lynched.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:51 am

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In post 535, Creature wrote:Though, I've seen nn30 being more active before, not this depressive lackluster.
I've seen more active nn30 too, but he was citing irl reasons so that is a tough call to make.

Preedit: Except he was regularly touching top poster in a game with hyper posters. This game has been pretty slow in comparison.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:52 am

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idk, I don't do post by post analysis.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:52 am

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He increased in the activity rank though.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:53 am

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Maybe with Hiraki and Grendel, this game should be more active and he should have more to post.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:53 am

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Lurkers remainning:
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:54 am

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Well nn's real life business compounded with a pretty inactive game in general could easily explain it.
I've never played with nn, fair, but just based on content I'm pretty sure he's town.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:54 am

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Btw, Human, why did you disappear earlier?
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:54 am

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In post 520, Creature wrote:PsychoticDave looks like a mislynch.
Why is that?

His wagon lacks the fluidly of many others this game. Wouldn'y that mean that scum don't want this lynch to happen?

Ethier that or town is refusing to accept that mafia being anti-town is slowly creeping into site meta.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:55 am

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Meh, I keep looking at the games he played so far and he has been mislynched a couple of times. Maybe you should take a look too.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:56 am

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In post 546, Creature wrote:Btw, Human, why did you disappear earlier?
Got busy irl, lost motivation in this game in particular (replacements, mindblock, otherwise), rethought my strategy as town.
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