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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:17 am

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In post 445, TTTT wrote:you got a better reason for why a deadline is indefinitely postponed in a game with "most votes" lynching rules?
The quality of the game is diminished due to a significant portion the roster not actually being here at the time of a lynch?

Mods are neutral.

They aren't going to do something that explicitly helps or hurts one team. I'm certain our mod is doing this for the reason I've just stated.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:21 am

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idk, I sorta understand Vedith, but Tenshii?
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:24 am

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In post 448, shaddowez wrote:nn30 is playing similarly to the other game I was in with him where he was scum, and his comment about me in 397 gives me the jeebies.
I've got a better read on my own scum v. town game (since it's me) so I'd like to point out that I played most of my scum game with my tail between my legs. I didn't really push anyone that wasn't already being pushed by another player.

I'm fairly certain I'm the only person still interested in a TTTT lynch.

Self meta so grains of salt and all that, but take it into consideration at least.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:57 am

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Should we change?
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:09 am

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Grendel replaces Vedith and Hiraki replaces Mewtaph. Because of the upcoming holiday, the new deadline will be exactly 4 days from this post, or in (expired on 2016-12-27 09:09:34).
Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:14 am

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UNVOTE:

Gonna wait.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:14 am

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Btw, I'm feeling tempted to change.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:14 am

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Votecount 1.10


shaddowez (3) - Tenshii, TTTT, PsychoticDave
Creature (2) - Grendel, Hiraki
Tenshii (1) - shaddowez
Grendel (1) - Human Sequencer
TTTT (1) - nn30

Not Voting (1) - Creature

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-12-27 09:09:34)
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:06 am

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Hi - will catch-up either tonight or tomorrow morning. Aiming for tonight.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:15 am

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I just want the day to end so we actually have evidence for these accusations rather than accusing people for not being active enough.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:23 am

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In post 7, PsychoticDave wrote:VOTE: Vedith
Scum 100%. This is a serious vote.
This is a bad vote but it's RVS so whatever.
In post 19, Creature wrote:(fun fact: my RVS votes tend to be slightly serious if the player I vote already posted)
Then I really don't like your vote.
In post 22, Human Sequencer wrote:No, it was a gambit. Based on your question that I baited you into asking, you are scum, and Human has been acting really towny while at l-1. I also buy their claim.
VOTE: Vedith
Die scum die.
Small townpoints.
In post 36, Creature wrote:What are the other reasonings to put someone at L-1 without warning?
I hope this is the D1 flip. If not, work needs to be done.

If I was new, I would do the same thing that my predecessor did. I don't agree with it but I understand where he is coming from.
In post 90, PsychoticDave wrote:
In post 89, Creature wrote:If you vote Vedith, you might hammer a chosen townie.
That can be said about literally anyone.
You're taking these two too seriously.
In post 100, PsychoticDave wrote:I'm getting the feeling that Creature is Mafia and knows who the Chosen Townies are, so he's trying to act like he doesn't know.
I hope you explain this.

Tenshii's vote in 111 is fantastic and is probably the best post of the game thusfar.

Mewtaph is pretty townie from 131. :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^))))))
In post 158, shaddowez wrote:Asks Misa for reads in 113, then sheeps a vote on her in 131 before she answers.
I was quite OK with my predecessor's vote and that's coming from someone who tries to usually say the opposite. What's wrong with a bit of pressure?
In post 167, Vedith wrote:I understood that he is Creature but why can't they be scum together? Your post indicates that Human is town 100%?
I buy this theory pretty hard and there's not a lot of scumslip theories that I buy.
In post 179, shaddowez wrote:
In post 167, Vedith wrote:I understood that he is Creature but why can't they be scum together? Your post indicates that Human is town 100%?
My post in no way says that. Let's start with the idea they're a scum team - there's no way Creature's RVS vote happens like that. He draws way too much attention to both of them during RVS by putting Human at L-1 and then unvoting. It's RVS, he could have easily avoided the wagon entirely and it's doubtful anybody would have thought anything of it.

Now, if Creature's town like I think he is, then his behavior makes sense regardless of if Human is scum or town. Creature doesn't know, so putting an RVS wagon at L-1 is terrible. If Human is town, it allows for a derphammer/quickhammer. With 1 page into the game, I can't imagine town having a solid enough read on someone to risk that.
I either don't buy this or fully understand this.

Are you kind of guesstimating if a scum team would do something on D1 to save themselves? It's a bit too theory heavy for me with no flips.
In post 186, PsychoticDave wrote:
In post 185, Tenshii wrote:Then do you have reads?

Alternatively, I don't understand any townreads on Dave.
Nope.
Vedith and I rarely 100% agree but when we do, it's kind of bad. This behavior is really quite intolerable.
In post 193, Human Sequencer wrote:Unsure on shadow. Need more.
It's either 'probably town' or 'probably scum' once I work out his personality though, none of this 'kinda' bullshit.
Very faint buddying here tbh
In post 207, PsychoticDave wrote:
In post 206, nn30 wrote:All you do is shit post. We've asked you to share thoughts too.
You clearly haven't read any of my posts.
Really? I hope this stuff doesn't continue.
In post 228, Human Sequencer wrote:Vedith is setting up mislynches, this man knows who is town and who is scum and he knows both creature and I are town.
I don't buy this - mind explaining what you mean in this post a little in depth?

Really don't get the Dave TRs.
In post 259, TTTT wrote:@dave
I think I counted 4 posts where you said anything that might be useful
too nice tbh, hopefully your posts will make Misa's mistakes look better - Misa always seems weird.
In post 264, nn30 wrote:Back it up. Link to everything you've just linked to, but this time, with an explanation for why you think I'm acting in each of those particular posts. Then tell me why you think my analysis is superficial. Then tell me how my 'acting posts' aren't just town poking and prodding in the way that I play town and are, in fact, scum motivated. Then tell me how my 'analysis' as you see it is scum motivated. Then we can begin to have a conversation.
This is fair. I don't think it's very fair to just post something without content.

oo 282 is a bad vote, I apologize for Mewtaph for being such a cuck - would've rather voted shadoweh
In post 292, Creature wrote:Lynch preferences (no order):
Mewtaph
nn30
shaddowez
These are some pretty shitty scumreads (less shaddowez) tbh
In post 302, shaddowez wrote:All you do is say I'm scum for lurking/dodging, but would rather lynch somebody else first.
I don't agree with this.
In post 302, shaddowez wrote:Additionally, if you actually thought I was scum way back in 165 for a "scum slip", you would've pushed me a hell of a lot harder.
I agree with this.
In post 319, Creature wrote:Oh nvm
Not a fan of this at all
In post 326, PsychoticDave wrote:I've still said all I have to say.
I'm just waiting for the day to end.
Mod: Just in case this happens again, you have the right to enforce content-related prods.


I'm not playing with a player with such an attitude like you again.

I don't get the point of trying to figure out pairings without a flip. Can we not do that?
In post 413, Tenshii wrote:
In post 410, Creature wrote:
nn30 and Tenshii

What's your opinion on Human?
I don't have one. What's yours?
I don't like this - you were doing really well too.
In post 438, PsychoticDave wrote:VOTE: shaddowez
I would much much rather lynch you than anyone else for this vote.

There's a difference for "wanting the day to end" and voting for no reason. This is /literally/ going to happen again tomorrow.
In post 449, shaddowez wrote:I'd rather a Vedith lynch, but with the slot replacing anyway I'll do this.
I really liked everything else in this post but this and this was probably the most important part.

Why does the player make a difference if your read on the slot was dependent on the slot? That might sound redundant but I hope I'm getting my point somewhat across.
In post 459, PsychoticDave wrote:I just want the day to end so we actually have evidence for these accusations rather than accusing people for not being active enough.
Please play the game. This is horrendous play regardless what role you have. The fact that this is UNANIMOUS among all players in the game should say something to you.

Here's my opinion of the current people alive (please read below before voting so quickly m8ys):

Human Sequencer - I need to re-read these posts in ISO. Vedith was very much adamant but I'm not sure if I agree with that push. I would rather Human live to D2 rather than be a D1 lynch.

PsychoticDave - Player who is ruining the game by being a baby about the game. This is an OK D1 lynch for all of the wrong reasons. I would really rather a replacement (sorry mod)

shaddowez - I'm OK with a lynch on this slot. Would give a lot of good reads and isn't very consistent in scumreads (n.b. that the reads part is moreso focusing on townreads)

Tenshii - Generally town, I would also like to ISO to confirm some of the failures in his current play (last few pages)

Grendel - I TR'd Vedith but it was very weak.

Creature - Town due to interactions not so much due to content.

TTTT - Scumread only due to Misa stuff - definitely not a D1 lynch.

nn30 - Would like to look into TTTT's claims. I will admit that if I skimmed anyone's posts the most, it was here.

Won't be voting until I finish doing some due diligence on the above. Reads are subject to change based off of that. Also note that these reads are coming out of finishing the review of the game and not taking a step back and looking at my review at a whole. It is definitely an incomplete work.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:36 am

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In post 460, Hiraki wrote:Are you kind of guesstimating if a scum team would do something on D1 to save themselves? It's a bit too theory heavy for me with no flips.
No - I'm saying I don't think that scum would put a buddy to L-1 in RVS, then immediately unvote and say "I didn't realize they were at L-1". Is it possible, yes, but that early in the game it read more as town to me.
In post 460, Hiraki wrote:Why does the player make a difference if your read on the slot was dependent on the slot? That might sound redundant but I hope I'm getting my point somewhat across.
Two different reasons. First off, sometimes it's playstyle versus actual scumtells. For instance, I
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often get scum read as town, so there's something in my play that comes off as scummy. If the slot is actually scum, it's usually easy to identify with the replacement, but I like to give them a chance.

Secondly, I hate the idea of lynching an empty (ie waiting for a replacement), because at that point it's basically like a lurker/policy lynch.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:37 am

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If the lynch isn't TTTT or me, it's a lurker lynch.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:52 am

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Rather TTTT atm tbh
In post 461, shaddowez wrote:No - I'm saying I don't think that scum would put a buddy to L-1 in RVS, then immediately unvote and say "I didn't realize they were at L-1". Is it possible, yes, but that early in the game it read more as town to me.
can't buy this tbh but I appreciate the explanation
In post 461, shaddowez wrote:If the slot is actually scum, it's usually easy to identify with the replacement, but I like to give them a chance.
Agreeable - I can do the same. Difference of opinion in this case.
In post 461, shaddowez wrote:Secondly, I hate the idea of lynching an empty (ie waiting for a replacement), because at that point it's basically like a lurker/policy lynch.
Same.

If I had to rate lynch candidates, you'd be the lowest on my scum-tiered list
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:59 am

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Are you scumreading Dave other than him being anti-town?
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:00 am

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As this is my first post, I'd like to say that I look forward to playing with you all. :)

UNVOTE: who ever I'm voting.

I was only casually following this game (ei not thinking critically, no serous reads, etc) so I'll have to re-read this tonight. In fact I haven't read the past several pages yet. So I have some original content to read through.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:22 am

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In post 464, Creature wrote:Are you scumreading Dave other than him being anti-town?
don't really even have a scum-town read, it's just bad gameplay
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:43 am

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In post 459, PsychoticDave wrote:I just want the day to end so we actually have evidence for these accusations rather than accusing people for not being active enough.
I don't like this.

There's plenty of scum reading to be done without flips.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:08 pm

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Wouldn't the best way to approach a set up like this be to lynch the people that are least likely to be the chosen ones?

So Scum are much more inclined to go after a chosen ones then “not” chosen ones. Therefore its more likely that the players being pushed harder are chosen then the players that weren't being pushed. In particular players that needed a good shove for how unhelpful they were being.

Looking for chosen ones, mainly through Vote counts, and personal insights

Human Sequencer-- possibly
PsychoticDave— very unlikely
shaddowez--- possibly, I haven't really looked at the wagon composition yet, it could be a rushed OMG EOD lynch. Which is unlikey to yield Chosen- not choosen result
Tenshii— unlikely
Grendel – possibly, BUT I have a gut suspicion that vedith would be a veto'd player due to holding more experience then the rest of the roster
Hiraki—very unlikely, due to Mewtapgh's early game posting, which I thought was very lynchable.
Creature –possibly... maybe even probably
TTTT—possibly
nn30—unlikey

But I do have actual scum reads too.

Creature, Human Sequencer,
shaddowez, Hiraki, Tenshii,
TTTT, PsychoticDave,
nn30


I'll back up the above reads with substance tomorrow since I'm going to bed soon.

I'd love to lynch somebody who is both unlikely to be a chosen one, and very scummy. :)
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:13 pm

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@Hiraki ignore the possibility that I'll be pushing you tomorrow, and join me on Dave today! :)

VOTE: PsychoticDave
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:25 pm

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Has anybody ever noticed that the longer you look at the smile on this site the more it looks like a sneer?

:) :) :)

on topic

I noticed a couple unexplained reads lists/ PoE lists/ idk lists that I have some trouble understanding the inner workings of:
In post 332, Creature wrote:{Human, shaddow}
{Vedith, Mewtaph}
{Tenshii, nn30}
{TTTT}

There's one scum from two of these groups.
How did you come to the conclusion that there is one scum from two of these groups?
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Dave can only be scum with nn30.
TTTT can only be scum with Vedith.
Vedith can only be scum with Creature or TTTT.
Creature can be scum with pretty much anybody I think.
Can you explain these in better detail?
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:36 pm

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nn30 you didn't even say hello to me when I entered the game.


my heart is broken like... an old automobile. how ever shall I cope?

I know, lych your scum buddy with me and we can be friends again!

Doesn't that ound good?
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:05 pm

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Why are you voting Dave when nn is a lower scumread? Really don't like that vote, nevertheless the reads list

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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:02 am

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Yeah, guess we should switch back to nn30.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:03 am

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VOTE: nn30
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