Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[Formerfish]

VOTE: nn30

[LicketyQuickety]

*ignores the thread*

VOTE: nn30

P-edit: I assume that since I said 'I don't want to talk about TB right now' you're interpreting it as a soft defense of a scum buddy. It wasn't.

Why not?

Also, you put some quotes together which don't belong together at the end of your post. Tacking on 1615 and 1608 is really misleading since they were never meant to respond to the above quotes you included.

Bro, I quote people more often than I don't. Deal.

And answer what I asked you as well, you're dodging.

I'm not dodging.

I was not soft defending TB. I actually just didn't want to talk about him because I wanted to focus elsewhere. This can easily come from a townie.

If you're going to scum read me, you're going to need more than OMGUS and a cherry picked behavior of mine, scumboi.

LOL. You sure?

[nn30]

Wehlp. That backfired.

All right Formerfish, why are you scum reading me? I trust your views on the game but not enough to self vote.

P-edit yarp

[Titus]

Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

This is what I figured was the case. Grey had softed that as a target and your calling him town early made it pretty obvious.

[LicketyQuickety]

CONFIRMED BITCHES!!!!

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

You also softed that you were going to investigate me via the vodka statement.

[LicketyQuickety]

MOAR votes on nn30!

[LicketyQuickety]

CONFIRMED BITCHES!!!!

That means I have one game day to either solve this game or do as much damage to Scum as possible.

[Titus]

Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

You also softed that you were going to investigate me via the vodka statement.

Wasn't deliberate there. I had not decided yet. I did leave a big tipoff to Grey telling him it was ok to CC TB. I figured you would have seen that if scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lets get it heavy in hur:

[Titus]

CONFIRMED BITCHES!!!!

That means I have one game day to either solve this game or do as much damage to Scum as possible.

I think it is nn30/toejam, but I want the information to be sure.

We know vig is the second PR. So the non vig PR should out today, to stop dumb vig shots and to only shoot within the pool.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

You also softed that you were going to investigate me via the vodka statement.

Wasn't deliberate there. I had not decided yet. I did leave a big tipoff to Grey telling him it was ok to CC TB. I figured you would have seen that if scum.

I would have missed it anyways if I was Scum. I am crumb blind and PR blind.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lickety - explain that logic please

Assuming nn30 is Mafia, I was prolly right about this comment.

[LicketyQuickety]

ThinkBig I havent' read anything yet, but so far the thread looks to be mostly shit-posting. Who do you think I should have reads on at this point?

LQ suggested that it is unlikely that Vedith and PP are the same alignment. What do you think? Also, what do you think of raeleo's "parked" vote only to quickly remove it?

Think big quoted culted here and NOT nn30. Just noting an observation.

[LicketyQuickety]

They feel off

Where's your vote at?

In what way do cheesy and I feel off? Care to elaborate?

As for realeo let me toss a question back at you; do you think scum are more likely to contradict themselves so openly? And was there nothing to your eye that could have made his move-away from gamma come more from a town-mindset?

The first question is a definite yes. In my experience, often contradict themselves to distance from each other.

Not sure what you mean by the second question.

I have no scum reads and 13 town reads, is that bad?

Means you need to try harder.

Vedith's post was a reaction test. I wouldn't put too much thought into his post

But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

VOTE: Culted

First serious vote in the game and this is not an OMGUS. Thus far he has put in minimal effort and has not explained his reads. Culted, why do you think Raeleo and I are mafia?

But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

@Culted did you miss this?

These posts in succession tell me culted is most likely Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, why the change in tone and behavior?

LQ, why the change in tone and behavior?

Because it turns out I do have some confidence after all.

????

Both nn30 and TB both questioning me here. At this point in the game these two have not interacted at all with each other.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hi, I'm Scum, lynch me.

HELLO THREAD!!! I AM SCUM!!! SHOW UP AND LYNCH THIS SCUM CLAIM, THANKS!!!

WTF????

Thinkbig not thinking quite so big, my immediate reaction is that he's bs ing, its too good to be true 99% of the time, and that's even higher chance in Mafia.

Brovo, you Scum read someone half the players do. Got anything else?

Specifically, you said Transcend was Vedith. Was this for reactions? If it was, you need to explain what you got out of it.

I don't believe Tojam2 has a retort to this.

[LicketyQuickety]

Had a really busy Friday / Saturday. Posting in a few hours

*Cough*

Read cheesy, I'm pretty positive that's a town slot. Reading Realeo next, because anyone who townreads me when I've made like 2 posts is usually scum.

Realeo has claimed that he made that read list to get reactions.

Why is Cheesy town?

Once again we see these two questioning the same person without interacting with each other.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

They're 100% not teammates due to the double replace.

Let's talk about something worthy.

I'd like to lynch Realo because 1) I scum read him before the replace out and 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.

p-edit - I thought he said the argument could be TvT or TvS?

Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

What happened to you saying that the argument could be TvT?

I said it was most likely tvt or svt

I am currently ISOing bother of these players if you couldn't already tell that.

This is the first time one of them interacts or quotes the other and its to agree on something. We don't at all see TB question nn30 here. I would expect a question here if real is Scum and nn30 is Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Arona - ahh yes, he discounts this.

@TB - why do you discount the TvT in your recent post?

Realeo has played with Vedith before, but doesn't understand that Vedith was joking during RVS? Unlikely.
651 and 668 didn't sit well with me to begin with. In the space of a page, he goes from "he's scum!" to "he's town!" Didn't sit well with me, though it

could

be coming from town, this wasn't my initial impression.

@TB - can you point to posts that felt like distancing scum buddies?

This post and the surrounding ones don't sit well with me. I want to re read the ISO between real, vedith and cheesy once more to make sure. I'm fairly confident there's at least one scum between those three.

Why don't they sit well with you?

My read on Cheese has switched to town.

I'm still waiting on an answer to my question to TB. Hope he comes back soon.

My read on Cheese has switched to town.

I'm still waiting on an answer to my question to TB. Hope he comes back soon.

Just finished my last final. Will answer after work.

Welcome Titus

This post and the surrounding ones don't sit well with me. I want to re read the ISO between real, vedith and cheesy once more to make sure. I'm fairly confident there's at least one scum between those three.

Why don't they sit well with you?

First, sorry for the delay in answering your question. I've been quite busy. The reason why it doesn't sit well with me is that it seems to be scum buddies distancing from each other. Post 205, Cheesy votes Real and suggests that anyone who doesn't vote for him should be PL'd (most likely a joke) and Vedith immediately sheeps him.

For now I'm willing to believe Vedith v reeleo was TvT.

I've never seen Vedith replace out, but I'm sure its happened before. I feel its pretty unlikely his slot is scum. While reeleo COULD be scum, I really think its more than likely town.

I think we have scum in nn30 and/or toejam for the opportunistic as hell votes for no reason, and we need to be voting them right now.

They're 100% not teammates due to the double replace.

Let's talk about something worthy.

I'd like to lynch Realo because 1) I scum read him before the replace out and 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.

They're 100% not teammates due to opportunistic vote when being replaced.

Let's talk about something worthy.

I'd like to lynch nn30 because 1) I scum read him before I even knew this game existed 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.



I would be happy voting nn30 as well. Lynching one of them gives even more info. If one flips scum, reeleo slot is town, and the other one is likely scum too!

This is also a bad use if pre-flips. nn30 could be scum bussing his partner.

There's exactly 0 reason for me to be bussing right there.

There looks to be some Scum hunting from nn30 on TB but it doesn't go anywhere. I don't see how nn30 can be satisfied with TBs answer.

[LicketyQuickety]

Earlier in the game you town read someone, and then took that town read away due to what you thought was an overwillingness to accept your town read. Now you town read me off a question, and when I question your town read you say you may be wrong?

Good observation.

I am not town reading Cheesy/Realo(Realo's replacement?) and Vedith/Vedith's replacement) as well as Gamma.

Light town read on Arona too.

I love having 10 pages to work with - it gives me a chance at a birds eye view of the game (similar to replacing in but not exact).

I think LQ is scum.

VOTE: LQ

No recent VC so I have no idea where that puts him (I saw L-2 earlier? So I'm assuming it's not hammer).

Now*

Not not.

Sorry.

These are the last 3 posts from nn30 from last game day. After that he goes dead silent.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'd vote for cheesy, he just doesn't sit right with me (up to p.13), but I need a VC.

What do you need VC for?

Oh, I'm not going to say my logical conclusion from that because it will get Ved nk'd, this would line up with his cop comment as well.

Come again? Did you just try to out him as a pr while saying you don't wanna do it?

Respond

I can't be sure in that situation whether I should conf him town or wait.

Do indulge us on this now.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, can someone explain the difference between opportunistic voting and demonstrative voting.

WTF are you talking about tojam

I'm voting to try and make a point.

Just for the LOL's we have this interesting series of posts.

[Titus]

Note to Self: If I ever need LQ stream of consciousness call him conftown.