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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:22 am

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In post 420, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 418, Alisae wrote:Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.
To me it looks like you fell into a red trap. They set you up by asking a leading question and then span that as fence sitting. But if you look at your play you can see the weakness's as well as the townie aspects of it. Its not explicitly bad to examine things carefully before voting (It took me till page 11 to vote) To say your fence sitting would be incorrect. You gave your thoughts on things as the game went on you just didn't vote. This to me says that You wasn't sure enough to vote. which is a Green trait as reds don't hesitate as much especially on people who are weaker players as they can shrug it off if they turn out to be proactive // good for greens
Did you read Grey's opinion on the matter? (Alisae is voting conservatively to try to blend in?)
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:23 am

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I no longer care about Naomi's walls. She's slipped scum and I'm not voting anywhere else.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:23 am

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In post 423, Alisae wrote:Going back into one of my previous games just to find something to lynch me on. Ya know, I don't like that.
Have you ever taken into consideration that that was my first game and that I was learning as I was playing the game?
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:25 am

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Resetting my prod timer. I tried reading this and my eyes glossed over.
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:28 am

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In post 437, Naomi-Tan wrote:Additionally given my analysis I believe after they read this they'll attempt to 180 Given thus far I been on her side and a rather 3rd party to the original situation so she is more likely to read my posts with a positive mindset which may be enough to realign her view point as she takes a step back and looks at the situation from my perspective. However, if they are intelligent they will also know this will only bring MORE heat so may stick with it to not get lynched. Which is why I'm setting up this post here to provide an out. How Am I going to do this? like this.

Alisae If upon reading my posts you have changed your views please let us know.
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:29 am

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In post 444, Alisae wrote:Yeah, I don't really think Gin is scum as much anymore.
And with that said, I am concerned for how he's playing and I don't like it.
I'm not fully convinced that he's town though. So he get's a null scumlean.

I still think Gamma is town.

You're thoughts on All Alone, because I think their vote on me seems like an attempt to have a justified vote and hop on the wagon.
Hey, where did your earlier Asphodel read go?
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:29 am

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looks like a good excuse to not find anything substantial in the thread but at the same time I can see where rainbowdash is coming from

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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:30 am

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Grey's push on alisae is starting to look more like scum hunting than it did before
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:30 am

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In post 503, Flubbernugget wrote:Resetting my prod timer. I tried reading this and my eyes glossed over.
Replace out if this is all you're going to do.
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:31 am

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In post 450, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 449, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 433, Naomi-Tan wrote:Like Given the last time someone pressured her she contradicted herself in the same post It shows that she is the kinda of player that hears responses and takes them to heart getting emotional swiftly and the more emotional she gets the less logical she becomes.
So you're saying Ailsae is just a flustered townie, more so than the possibility that she's scum having a hard time coming up with an argument?

Need to know for my notes.
yes It doesn't make much sense from the latter perspective as you'd be trying to think carfully to reduce pressure while making mistakes like the one she did shows that she wasn't handling the pressure very well.
More white-knighting. But, is it town or is it scum white kinghting?
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:31 am

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In post 333, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Alisea null$Haven't looked into deeply
Why didn't you see much to look into here?
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:32 am

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In post 452, Alisae wrote:
In post 429, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 427, -Grey- wrote:My my, what a development.

An Alisae red flip will make me very interested in Naomi.
No doubt given the above post XD
This is why Naomi is town.
I see no reason why Scum Naomi would defend me.
Buddying, getting on your good side, etc. are all reasons.
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:32 am

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Yes and I was saying I said it that way as it doesn't make the point as well jesus.
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:35 am

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In post 357, Rainbowdash wrote:@Grey - Why do you react with a vote to Ircher saying he is a bad player (which he has number to back up) while ignoring Aspho laying out a scum meta of themselves? Both are self-reflective and you jumped on the far less important one.

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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:37 am

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In post 471, TwoFace wrote:I'll just ignore HS for now. his opinions can't be trusted
Why can't he be trusted? This feels more like disagreement than anything.
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:38 am

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In post 473, -Grey- wrote:A somebody town doesn't make them town.

I haven't liked Alisae's avoidance of wagons based on appearances (how being on them would make her look), and nothing she's done since then has convinced me otherwise.

The only other place I see myself voting today would be Naomi for the blatant white knighting. She seems to be invested in ensuring Alisae isn't run up. Makes sense if she's trying to protect a scum PR.
There's an alternative actually.
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:41 am

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In post 482, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 473, -Grey- wrote:A somebody town doesn't make them town.

I haven't liked Alisae's avoidance of wagons based on appearances (how being on them would make her look), and nothing she's done since then has convinced me otherwise.

The only other place I see myself voting today would be Naomi for the blatant white knighting. She seems to be invested in ensuring Alisae isn't run up. Makes sense if she's trying to protect a scum PR.
Hmm thats a weird way to put it. the last I spoke about things with Alisae you was sure we was on the same team. given the change of your stance did you change your thoughts? if so why didn't you unvote and switch to me? Cause If you think I'm white knighting that means you think Alisae is Green from that the time of the quoted message. I saw a miss lynch happening and I stepped in and gave them an out. given that Reds have no day talk It would make more sense to assume that I was assisting a red team mate out of a bad situation given your previous stance rather than going with white knighting. Can you tell me how you came to white knighting over just assisting a red team mate?
1) How do you kniw scum dont have daytalk?
2) Don't like thus distance from your white-knight
3) Several other issues with this post

VOTE: Naomi - Not a town white-knight imo.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:42 am

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In post 514, Ircher wrote:Why can't he be trusted? This feels more like disagreement than anything.
well obviously it is a disagreement, which is why i am going to ignore his opinions from now on.
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:44 am

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But you state he cant be trusted. Why not? Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should ignore him completely.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:47 am

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1) How do you kniw scum dont have daytalk?
>>I don't
1b) But you said given
>> To make my point better
2) Don't like thus distance from your white-knight
>> What distance? They was in trouble and I could see they was too proud to admit it so I gave them an out. an out they took

Urgh
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:50 am

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64916
Day 1 of this shows a town white-knight. They dont go constantly go back and forth on reads and give in whenever it feels it's convenient; they stick with it as AlwaysInnocent did with me in the linked game.
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:52 am

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In post 489, -Grey- wrote:
In post 488, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 483, -Grey- wrote:
In post 482, Naomi-Tan wrote:given that Reds have no day talk
How do you know this?
its not in the rules so Im assuming.
"given" is not an assumption, it's a statement of fact.

VOTE: Naomi

You slipped hard.
That's not a slip, town has done it before.
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:53 am

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Nah, it plus the stance distancing are worth looking into.
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:55 am

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At least one of Grey and TF is scum.
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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:58 am

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