Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[-Grey-]

Oh and UNVOTE: because I never go to sleep holding a vote.

That's rather foolish as it artificially deflates wagons.

Once again, no real conviction in his voting. To him it honestly doesn't matter.

Eh. I gotta agree with this somewhat.

Not a fan of the unvote because there was no danger of Alisae being flashlynched while he slept.

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae is still scum for trying to twist his playstyle as scummy.

[-Grey-]

Alisae is still scum for trying to twist his playstyle as scummy.

Gimme yo vote then.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alisae
baah

[Alisae]

Oh and UNVOTE: because I never go to sleep holding a vote.

That's rather foolish as it artificially deflates wagons.

Once again, no real conviction in his voting. To him it honestly doesn't matter.

Eh. I gotta agree with this somewhat.

Not a fan of the unvote because there was no danger of Alisae being flashlynched while he slept.

Grey, whats your current read on Gin?

[-Grey-]

Grey, whats your current read on Gin?

Null. You're far more interesting.

[Alisae]

Grey, whats your current read on Gin?

Null. You're far more interesting.

I know right! Want my life story? It's pretty interesting.

[XnadrojX]

Official VC 1.2

Gamma Emerald (1)(L-6) [Naomi-tan]
Ircher (1)(L-6) [Asphodel]
Asphodel (3)(L-4) [flubbernugget, Human Sequencer, All Alone]
All Alone (1)(L-6) [TwoFace]
Alisae (2)(L-5) [-Grey-, Gamma Emerald]
TheRealGin-N-Tonic (1)(L-6) [Alisae]

Not Voting 4 (Ircher, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Rainbowdash, krylea)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
_{Accurate to post 406}

Mod Notes

Using #00FF00 as my mod colour, exceptions given only to use it in reads lists

[-Grey-]

Grey, whats your current read on Gin?

Null. You're far more interesting.

I know right! Want my life story? It's pretty interesting.

I'm all ears except for the parts that aren't.

[-Grey-]

Mod Notes

Using #00FF00 as my mod colour, exceptions given only to use it in reads lists

Thank you for the exception.

[Naomi-Tan]

299
Its taken trail and error I have to write it fresh each time and I slightly modify it each time.

[Naomi-Tan]

Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.

Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

VOTE: Alisae
baah

I'm Still where I was in my last posts. and reactions like these just cement it for me.

[Naomi-Tan]

Okay don't attack him for his playstyle. You just set my scumdar off big time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay don't attack him for his playstyle. You just set my scumdar off big time.

What's the point of the blank quote?

[Naomi-Tan]

Okay Gamma and Gin I wanna know what your connection is to each other right now here in the open.

Ah, game did start, got it :p

@work right now so I'll be on to talk in like 4 hours maybe 5.

Quick scim tells me we are doing a gamma wagon. Why is that?

I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.

This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nah it's town.

It's day 1 first few pages. It's evident, at least to me that Gamma doesn't care about the wagon on him, but instead is interested in the inactives, or those that will try to hide behind a bandwagon so they don't have to contribute much to the discussion.

GinNTonic could be a bad townie too.

Gamma you okay?

Whew, caught up. Okay reads and then questions

Reads:

Gamma scum butt$Most, if not all posts are highly frivolous and are just fluff. Post 119 is using self-meta as a form of defense and I won't read it because that's bullshit. Anyone can copy and paste a personality D1.

So You enter defending Gamma with rather limp reasoning. Gamma then distances himself from you. Taking the hint you back off and red read him despite spending the majority of the early game being on their side. This says to me there is 2 things going on 1) There is a connection between Gamma and Gin and 2) They don't want Greens to know there is a link going on.

Given the above quotes as well. the connection Is still strong despite them trying to distance.

[Naomi-Tan]

On gamma's side he defends your wagon and pushes it out more either OMGUS'ing or Chainsawing (im not sure if either of those are the correct term) To give Gins wagon more leverage.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bad townie will make sense soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah just because I'm defending him doesn't make me scum with him.

[Alisae]

Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gin's a classic.

[Naomi-Tan]

Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.

To me it looks like you fell into a red trap. They set you up by asking a leading question and then span that as fence sitting. But if you look at your play you can see the weakness's as well as the townie aspects of it. Its not explicitly bad to examine things carefully before voting (It took me till page 11 to vote) To say your fence sitting would be incorrect. You gave your thoughts on things as the game went on you just didn't vote. This to me says that You wasn't sure enough to vote. which is a Green trait as reds don't hesitate as much especially on people who are weaker players as they can shrug it off if they turn out to be proactive // good for greens

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and UNVOTE: because I never go to sleep holding a vote.

That's rather foolish as it artificially deflates wagons.

Once again, no real conviction in his voting. To him it honestly doesn't matter.

Instead of understanding his playstyle, she prefers to push her narrative of Gin's actions. Scum.

[All Alone]

All-Alone, you're gonna have to trust me in a game about mistrust here. That was a forbidden phone post where I wasn't reading the thread, fully because I was at work making a series of linearities and looked at the post by itself. It was only then after fully reading the game from page 1 and taking notes that he's had an overall scummy behaviour posting fluff.

Also, to make sure everything is clear, I also at first thought Ircher was "townish" during my work but then a full read made me believe he was scum. Only then after seeing his reads list, I felt content with leaving him alone because he's backing up what he said with quotes.

Okay, that makes sense.

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I can definitely support an Alisae lynch today. I believe Alisae knows full well that "voting without conviction" isn't as scummy as they're making it out to be. Why do I believe that? Because town-Alisae has no problem voting without conviction:

VOTE: AA9

Now L-1.

I need more on AA9 before I post my reads, I have no idea what to think of AA9 currently so yeah.

So with that in mind, I really,

really

have a hard time buying that Alisae genuinely believes that voting without conviction is as hardcore-scummy as they're making it out to be. But if Alisae is scum looking for any reason to vote for a townie, the Gin attack makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: Alisae

Alisae/Asphodel/TwoFace can be the scumpile

[Alisae]

Going back into one of my previous games just to find something to lynch me on. Ya know, I don't like that.
Have you ever taken into consideration that that was my first game and that I was learning as I was playing the game?
VOTE: All Alone

[Naomi-Tan]

Take Gamma's play. At first he doesn't really say much (during the RVS) then he switches to just saying; Good Green//Bad Green But he doesn't really given any reasons why there good or bad just that they are so. This leaves little wiggle room for inquiry and the only people who would really enquire would be the people in question which he could then turn on 'acting defensive' If you was a Green and you felt you had someone ID'd as Green or Red you'd say things like
[Topic]; Thats Bad Green Play
[Explain]; This is why is bad green play and not Red play
[Conclusion]; You shouldn't Vote X (this last part may be excluded in some cases)

This allows Green to see your thoughts. why you had those thoughts and question them later on down the road. Just a blanket X is bad Green. Helps no one and really the only reason you'd post that with so little backing it up is if you was kinda removed from the situation and didn't care about the flip result. If you really thought someone was just playing bad rather than being Red you'd step up and help defend them.