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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:01 pm

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In post 270, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey TF. Isn't it funny how we both have 2 people we think might be red and are looking for the third with no overlap xD
How's it funny?
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:01 pm

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In post 259, Alisae wrote:TwoFace, why is All Alone scum?
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:02 pm

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In post 272, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 270, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey TF. Isn't it funny how we both have 2 people we think might be red and are looking for the third with no overlap xD
What does this mean?
It means I have a list of 2 reds with a missing 3rd who I can't identify and TF also has a list of 2 reds with a 3rd unID'd but between our two reds we both think we have neither of them are on the others list.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:03 pm

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In post 274, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 271, TwoFace wrote:
In post 266, Naomi-Tan wrote:TwoFace >> Very weak read. Just from not noticing the reaction test thing I did. He finds 180's stupidly Red aligned. So its normally something he would take note of and I am surpised he didn't take note of it without me having to point it out. This read will likely change TF is hard to pin down this early in the game. Eh I guess its what ever.
You did a reaction test?
Yeah kinda. It wasn't a very good one. I was trusting you to notice that between the two posts I linked in one they thought that Ircher was red then they one 180'd and acted like gray was the obvious red.
I wouldn't call that a reaction test but yeah that's a good catch.
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:04 pm

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BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:05 pm

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In post 276, Alisae wrote:
In post 259, Alisae wrote:TwoFace, why is All Alone scum?
Making posts I can't see a townie making. Putting words into my mouth and then using it against me.

You know. Stuff you could have picked up on if you read my posts.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:05 pm

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In post 279, Alisae wrote:BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
Why do you keep asking this?
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:06 pm

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In post 279, Alisae wrote:BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
Da fuck? To quote Samuel L.

Who the fuck is this asshole?

I'm not lynchbait nor am i trying to be lynch bait
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:07 pm

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Official VC 1.1Gamma Emerald (1)(L-6) [Naomi-tan]
Ircher (1)(L-6) [Asphodel]
Asphodel (4)(L-3) [flubbernugget, Alisae, Human Sequencer, All Alone] :!:
All Alone (1)(L-6) [TwoFace]
TwoFace (1)(L-6) [Gamma Emerald]
Alisae (1)(L-6) [-Grey-]

Not Voting 4 (Ircher, The RealGin-N-Tonic, Rainbowdash, krylea)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:07 pm

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In post 275, TwoFace wrote:
In post 270, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey TF. Isn't it funny how we both have 2 people we think might be red and are looking for the third with no overlap xD
How's it funny?
Well you'd think that we'd have at least one in common we can agree on. Its just a bit unusual.

PEDIT; when presented or you spot a 180 you tend to attach to it for a bit as Green I was hoping to see that behaviour and put you into slight green range as its just a thing you do.

PEDIT2; My weak read on TF is just lack of talking and him over looking things I think with a bit of interaction I can figure him out. Me and TF played the last 3 games together and I feel I can read him by this stage. Its why I am tossing him bait actions to try and get my predicted results. Think of it like Meta-Fishing XD
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:09 pm

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In post 284, Naomi-Tan wrote:PEDIT; when presented or you spot a 180 you tend to attach to it for a bit as Green I was hoping to see that behaviour and put you into slight green range as its just a thing you do.
I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. I reread it twice and still didn't understand what you were trying to say.
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:10 pm

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In post 282, TwoFace wrote:
In post 279, Alisae wrote:BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
Da fuck? To quote Samuel L.

Who the fuck is this asshole?

I'm not lynchbait nor am i trying to be lynch bait

TF your so VI

(Not really I am making an in joke from the last game we was in :P)
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:11 pm

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Welp Naomi needs sleep. See ya in a few hours :3
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:13 pm

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In post 231, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

Grey is second on my scum list for being excessively obtuse with asliahe before giving a very meh explanation of his actions. His idea that we should town read him for bringing attention to himself is also a load of crap
Its called the slayer gambit.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with your nomenclature
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:14 pm

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In post 242, Asphodel wrote:
In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

I feel like these should be reversed.
You're conflating thought with the number of posts in thread

My scum read becomes greater
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:15 pm

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In post 285, TwoFace wrote:
In post 284, Naomi-Tan wrote:PEDIT; when presented or you spot a 180 you tend to attach to it for a bit as Green I was hoping to see that behaviour and put you into slight green range as its just a thing you do.
I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. I reread it twice and still didn't understand what you were trying to say.
URgh Im a sucker for conversation. Yeah I expected as much as said so in my list. but I still couldn't make a move on your alignment. What do you think of my two red reads and how there connected?

I'm gonna read your two reads and see how they connect tomorrow.
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:16 pm

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In post 236, Asphodel wrote:I know you're still reading through, but when you're done I'd appreciate an explanation of why you think 110 reads TvT, especially how it makes Grey look town.
Why are you worried about how it makes grey look?
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:16 pm

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In post 289, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 242, Asphodel wrote:
In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

I feel like these should be reversed.
You're conflating thought with the number of posts in thread

My scum read becomes greater
you don't always need to be careful. I often post without thinking about it. only my bigger posts have more depth to them.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:18 pm

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In post 289, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 242, Asphodel wrote:
In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

I feel like these should be reversed.
You're conflating thought with the number of posts in thread

My scum read becomes greater
Feels like posturing with the phrasing.
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:18 pm

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In post 265, Asphodel wrote:Flubbernugget, can we go over your first few posts in the game? I feel like a guy with as much game experience as you would be less confused by the fact that early Day 1 reads are pretty weak. I'm also not a fan of your vote on me, seems like you're trying to manufacture reasons to sheep the wagon.
Are you going to back up literally anything you said in this post

It's not like I have a 3 page iso for you to dig through to cite anything
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:20 pm

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I am late to the party because of who I am as a person, Naomi, regarding my "weak ass defense," don't expect much from a phone post, I'm home now and can actually develop thought so hold your horses till I catch up.

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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:20 pm

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Spoiler: Reads - Day 1 #1
Confirmed Town
(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
1. Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town
(85%-97% Confidence)
2. All Alone (90%) - was an ok question. I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the perspective but the follow up in was well-justified. I concur with the justification and analysis in , but even with that, I don't support the wagon. was a pretty good case imo that I am considering joining. (But right now, I'm hanging on to my Grey scumread and will let myself determine my read there).

Leaning Town
(60%-84% Confidence)
3. Gamma (70%) - and read as town to me and you cannot argue otherwise as it is MY opinion. is a bit beyond paranoia and somewhat accusatory imo. is odd, but not necessarily telling.
4. Human Sequencer (68%) - is a good start to the ISO. Not following the Gamma read in . Once more, reads neitral -- unlike Asphodel's opinion, there are many factors to a read and some reasons are based on gut trends versus specific evidence. (There's general evidence, but the trend and gut read matters more; it's hard to tell from a single post). reads as genuine confusion. pings a bit since there was a Gamma wagon that I quite adamantly expressed my opinion on.

Null
(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
5. Naomi-Tan (+25%) - felt genuine as did the subsequent posts. is reasonable too -- not overly defensive. The ISO lacks enough content for me to get a full read here. (Granted, it's one of the longer ISOs though)
6. Flubbernugget (+1%) - Pretty much nothing useful; slight gut read but meh.
7. TheRealGin-N-Tonic (-12%) - is meh. is very unclear and almost sounds like fluff tbh. Not enough content for a conclusive read.

Neutral
(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
8. Alisae (+50%) - was a good question, even if literally, it seems like a useless question. Don't like cuz it's a loaded question; was better after I asked for it to be unbiased.
9. TwoFace (-40%) - feels off; it just does. is pretty poor justification for a vote and a bad response to All Alone's question (even if I somewhat agree with what was stated). is just buzzwords with no hard evidence.
10. Asphodel (-50%) - There are good and bad things about . Obviouslu, the bad thing about it is the entire intro and how it is focused on Asphodel being town; however, I know I have done similar things (though not nearly as in-depth) as town before multiple times, so that point is kinda moot. The actual content aside from the intro is acceptable imo. 's logic reads as somewhat reachy (as in, it fits, but it feels overemphasized and ignorant of the larger picture) but that may be due to bias. is off, but I won't judge until post-flip from Flubber or Asp. is basically discrediting a read just because with littke to no explanation as to why you don't like it. fails to consider that D1 has lasted for less than 24 hours, so we're still extremely early in the game. - I disagree, You cannot discredit a read just because you think differently; it's
their
read.

Leaning Scum
(60%-75% Confidence)
11. Grey (-65%) - feels unnecessary and superflous imo. feels weird (later states it was humor, okay, I can see that....). His "continuance" of his joke in seems more serious than a joke. (Well actually tbh, 38 is the more serious post, but it's the need to further the joke that I find unnecessary and as an actual serious remark). Never really supports his assertion in that I'm undermining the town to keep them from cooperating. 's content would be fine if it was less accusatory. Posts , , , are deliberate attempts to evade a legitimate point against him by on purposely interpreting things literally. is a valid response to the question, but it took too long to get an answer there. is null, but I would note that experience != skill. was also a fairly decent post. Starting to have my doubts here, but we'll wait and see.

Likely Scum
(76%-100% Confidence)


Note that I started this around 4:00 or so, so some of these may be outdated a little bit.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:21 pm

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@Mod - Fix formatting please?



Mod edit:
what do you need fixed? the spoiler tags look fine to me
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:22 pm

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In post 293, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 289, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 242, Asphodel wrote:
In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

I feel like these should be reversed.
You're conflating thought with the number of posts in thread

My scum read becomes greater
Feels like posturing with the phrasing.
This is worse "posturing" than me dismissing the whole thread as being on crack?
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:23 pm

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In post 211, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 53, Ircher wrote:
In post 8, Naomi-Tan wrote:Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.

Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepy
One question --- Does making this post actually help you in any way?
Yes. It lets people know what to expect and helps me protect myself aganist reds pushing me for a miss lynch so its useful that way. also helps inform town onto what to expect saving foot work for those who are lazy. The way I see it you can either Believe it, NAI it or See it as an excuse setup for later, which it totally is as well. thats just kinda how its been. I normally get those who havn't played with me before fitting into the latter two while those who have palyed with me before fit into the former two (as they have experienced it) As It in no way hurts to share information and I provide sources for people to check out I feel its a good and helpful thing that those who are paranoida can backup. Even if it is NAI. An NAI post to explain some things you'll red read me for are NAI is useful to me :D
Was wondering because I've tried similar stuff before (a lot briefer though) and it's never worked well for me.
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