WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Game Over - Off Television)

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VOTE: Massive

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Do we have to wait for Raw to finish with their day to get the flip of the person we lynch

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VOTE: Vifam
I have mod-given information this is scum.

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VOTE: Titus

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It feels right

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I think I might use my finisher too fuck it

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I think Tywain/Maria/Zef are town idc about anyone else

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What does the armbar do to Maria?

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I think Titus is scum fr

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VOTE: Tywain

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Is it broken now

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Lets lynch Gamma or Titus

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Titus just feels off tbh

Mostly his townread on Grey is bad, he's called him obv town more than once but for what? Grey hasn't really done anything to warrant that type of read, it seems like something pulled out of nowhere

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What

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Titus just feels off tbh

Mostly his townread on Grey is bad, he's called him obv town more than once but for what? Grey hasn't really done anything to warrant that type of read, it seems like something pulled out of nowhere

I am a her.

You were calling for my naked lynch prior to my Grey townread. Second, Grey is obvtown for how he used his abilities today. Third, Grey has been interfering with Gamma, who you claim is your other scumread. This post makes grammatical sense, but not logical sense.

Idk I think that's an exaggeration all I did was vote you

I don't think Grey's abilities mean anything with the time limit attached, scum are most likely not going to bus and will break the finisher anyway so it doesn't really mean anything. At this point we aren't at an agreed consensus on anyone so scum have nothing to lose if they wanna save a buddy unless the player just scummed all over themselves.


idk how Grey and Gamma interacting has anything to do with this

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Gamma is more of a gut read since I felt he was more aggressive in the last game we were playing and he was town but that's not concrete or anything

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VOTE: Titus

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Im gonna tunnel

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Titus' posts are weird, but I agree with him.

Her reads so far don't really feel all that genuine to me

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Yeah man what do you want me to do write an essay

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Anyone actively trying to scumhunt in Raw right now is probably scum

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It's three pages long

has nothing to do with us at the moment

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Anyone actively trying to scumhunt in Raw right now is probably scum

Why is that a scummy thing?

It's unnecessary, we have a whole team of people already trying to find scum there. You have no vote there so why even waste your time on it right now when all the scum in here are alive. It feels more like a distraction scum can used to their advantage than aything

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Why would I care what they think they can't vote

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Yeah but Im not in a situation where I have to give the other game any real attention so

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My moves kinda suck

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I wanted to be Christian

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Yeah but Im not in a situation where I have to give the other game any real attention so

Why? There's only two major reasons I can think of for this.

1) You're scum with whomever the GM or GMs are so they can structure it where you do not leave.
2) You already know who scum are in the other land so you don't need read.

Both possibilities lead me to scum. Your posture here is much different than Maria, who reacted as if it was busiwork and differring playstyles. Yet, the pair of you seem awkwardly close. You both are attacking Grey as well which irks me. The stretches to vote me and the awkward declaration of a tunnel vote do not make sense.

VOTE: Vifam

When did I attack Grey?

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I'm not saying you shouldn't read the other game do what you want I can't stop you

But it's really not necessary at this stage of the game

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Like really unless you really feel like you're gonna die and you need to get your opinions out what's the point

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I mean... It is only 3 pages... Still...

Yeah they're barely out of RVS and people are already throwing out reads

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Spoiler: Vifam attacking/discrediting Grey

Titus just feels off tbh

Mostly his townread on Grey is bad, he's called him obv town more than once but for what? Grey hasn't really done anything to warrant that type of read, it seems like something pulled out of nowhere

Titus just feels off tbh

Mostly his townread on Grey is bad, he's called him obv town more than once but for what? Grey hasn't really done anything to warrant that type of read, it seems like something pulled out of nowhere

I am a her.

You were calling for my naked lynch prior to my Grey townread. Second, Grey is obvtown for how he used his abilities today. Third, Grey has been interfering with Gamma, who you claim is your other scumread. This post makes grammatical sense, but not logical sense.

Idk I think that's an exaggeration all I did was vote you

I don't think Grey's abilities mean anything with the time limit attached, scum are most likely not going to bus and will break the finisher anyway so it doesn't really mean anything. At this point we aren't at an agreed consensus on anyone so scum have nothing to lose if they wanna save a buddy unless the player just scummed all over themselves.


idk how Grey and Gamma interacting has anything to do with this

Anyone actively trying to scumhunt in Raw right now is probably scum

Hey IaI, it likely moved to Grey for such sins as suggesting the other thread scumhunt, using his power, and being my moon mason buddy. I will check the votes to verify.

None of those are attacks

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I think Maria is town

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Pepto's posting is awkward to weird but he's prob just an awkward guy, idrk if he's scum

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I meant awkward to read

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Okay, we have a town!Vifam.

You guys are so lucky

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I don't like Titus saying I'm attacking Grey when I'm really not I think she's scum

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Gamma + Maria + Pepto

Try again dumbass, look at the VC. This is idiotic. And why are you so sure there is 3 scum?

Isnt this setup like a mini

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Disagree with me being town or are you insulting me

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I don't think I've ever gave my opinion on Grey aside from him using his finisher not being an alignment indicative

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Yeah and none of those were attacks on Grey

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Yeah I got carried away tbh

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I don't regret it tho Maria still feels town

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I see why you are upset at the breaking of submissions

Yeah I see why town wouldn't want it to be broken so fast but oh well no going back

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KainTapes please post more idc if you're scum or town just post more

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I still don't like Titus, earlier when she said I attacked Grey and I asked her where she provided a few quotes where I never attacked/discredited Grey at all

Huge misrep on her part, than she goes on to have an argument with Maria about whatever, but it feels as if she tried to paint it as if I had a scumread on Grey and that's weird

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Her sudden attack on Maria right after I pointed it out too is pretty bad also

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All I said about Grey himself is that him using his finisher early isn't indicative of any alignment

How is that an attack on him? You haven't really mapped that out for me

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I thought that you townreading based off that was scummy but I've got no beef with him really

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I still don't like Titus, earlier when she said I attacked Grey and I asked her where she provided a few quotes where I never attacked/discredited Grey at all

Huge misrep on her part, than she goes on to have an argument with Maria about whatever, but it feels as if she tried to paint it as if I had a scumread on Grey and that's weird

It honestly felt like you were attacking him from what I remember. Idk what the exact quote was, but it sure gave that impression in my mind. Feels like you're arguing semantics. Why does it even matter if you're attacking grey or not? If you SR him, then why wouldn't you? If you TR him, then why? You can't use the same reasoning that Titus does, so you must have a reason to TR his slot?

That's weird if you did because I've never given my thoughts on Grey's alignment

I just think it's misrepping what I've said about my scumread on Titus

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I still don't like Titus, earlier when she said I attacked Grey and I asked her where she provided a few quotes where I never attacked/discredited Grey at all

Huge misrep on her part, than she goes on to have an argument with Maria about whatever, but it feels as if she tried to paint it as if I had a scumread on Grey and that's weird

It honestly felt like you were attacking him from what I remember. Idk what the exact quote was, but it sure gave that impression in my mind. Feels like you're arguing semantics. Why does it even matter if you're attacking grey or not? If you SR him, then why wouldn't you? If you TR him, then why? You can't use the same reasoning that Titus does, so you must have a reason to TR his slot?

That's weird if you did because I've never given my thoughts on Grey's alignment

I just think it's misrepping what I've said about my scumread on Titus

I could be remembering it wrong, but I'm giving my honest opinion about it. It's not a misrep if I'm not using it as an attack. It's just how I remember it. I haven't gone back and checked because it's null to me.

I don't like how you dodged my questions here though. Do you TR grey? If so, why? If not, then why are you worried about being misrepped about an attack on grey that you said didn't happen? If you SR him, what's it matter?

I wasn't talking about you in the second sentence.


I don't really have that much of an opinion on Grey, that's my point. I've never said anything about Grey's actions or anything he's done being scummy or town but Titus made it seem as if I did.

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Titus saying I attacked Grey when I didn't while also trying to buddy up to him at the same time is bad is what I should be outright saying tho I guess

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What if both are scum

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Okay I feel you

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Yeah I see what you guys are saying

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In post 576, Vifam wrote:
In post 572, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I see why you are upset at the breaking of submissions

Yeah I see why town wouldn't want it to be broken so fast but oh well no going back

This makes it sound like you had to think about how town would feel in this situation, playa.

VOTE: Vifam

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Cuz I did

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That's why I said it

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I really didn't think about how a submission could benefit town when I broke it tbh

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Yeah I agree

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Literally what gave you any idea that would work

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You can't even post in the thread why would you be able to perform actions on them

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Mod prob thought it was a common sense thing

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Why not use your finisher on someone in here

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Are they at a general consensus at the other thread or something

I don't know why you would attempt that TBH

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Idk about DTS but that was just bad really

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Apparently cuz he thinks putting too much attention on the other game is dumb too

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Titus attempting to use a move on DTS when he has a scumread on me for essentially the same thing is p. bad

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idk it was kinda cool tbh Im not getting the vibe Gamma is town either

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Flavor wise that wouldn't make sense because iirc John Cena and JBL hated each other and had an epic rivalry going on

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Man those were simple times

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Nah it prob doesn't mean anything

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I gave my townreads I think

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I'm not confused really

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Pretty straight forward stuff going on atm

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That doesn't seem like something scum would do tbh

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It is weird tho I guess

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I think he's fun

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Why would Raw give a fuck about what happens to Kain in here

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If you think he needs to be dealt with just deal with him asking for permission is weird

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Pretty scummy imo, if you're town and you really feel like Kain is a problem you wouldn't feel the need to ask for anything

It's not like anyone is going to shed a tear for him

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If you think he needs to be dealt with just deal with him asking for permission is weird

Anyone can end my trigger, which makes it pointless. I want someone to object before hand or have explaining to do. Plus, other people might have things to accomplish

This might be moot if Gamma is lynched though.

P-edit: Grey is right again about the shade, but that's Vifam's entire game so...

In that case why not just do it and see how it unfolds from there

Asking for permission sounds like you're attempting not to rock the boat

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I think he used his already before that post

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I think he used his already before that post

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Im gonna get switched to Raw and Titus is going to have free reign as scum here pretty sad

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I dont wanna lynch Kain or Maria

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Gamma is ok w/ me

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^^^ That's my main concern with lynching Gamma.

He was all about having me finish move on Kain Tepes, but now he's all KT is someone he doesn't want to lynch. I know this is wifoming though. He could say that knowing it would make me less likely to want to lynch Gamma.

I would prefer Maria.

You keep saying I do things I don't actually do

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I'm like 90% sure Titus isn't flipping town guys

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I'm not struggling to scumhunt lol

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I really don't need help with anything unless it involves lynching Titus

Her play has been weird to me, starting with her read on Grey and then trying to make it seem like I had a scumread on him when I never said anything about Grey. And now more recently the stuff with Kain and skirting around using his finisher and even going so far as to ask if it's okay.

Plus I really don't feel an attempt to genuinely scumhunt, I see a lot of OMGUS and draft talk but I don't feel like Titus is actively looking for scum.

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Gamma/Titus/Creature/Pepto All decent choices imo

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Don't be mean

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Maria you should have let Gamma flip

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I was looking forward to that

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I don't think that means anything

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I don't think that means anything

VOTE: Vifam

Creature was fishing for town by asking who knew town flavor was baby face which scum couldn't have known without the sample role pm.

I was pretty clear about this in my posts about him, and you trying to nullify his clear looks scummy.

Yeah I guess but how can we assume scum didn't already know

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If you're a heel I feel the logical conclusion would be oh I gotta get rid of the faces

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Feces, I made a typo sorry

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how do we know their pm doesn't mention babyface

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My role PM says I win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from the brand

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Im sure there's is something like you win when you outnumber the faces in your brand

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idk kill/outnumber whatever it is that makes scum win normally

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I already am no one else wants to she's scum honestly

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Plus I don't know if I wanna stop your death tbh

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I think Titus is scum tho so I doubt you guys are partners

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and the fact that NOBODY has tried to save GAMMA at all seems to show that he doesnt have scumbuddies here to save him so it's more likely hes not scum

Maria saved him before but with what just happened I doubt they could be partners

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Lets get Titus out the paint

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I still think Maria is town

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Honestly lets just kill everyone that isn't Me/KT/Maria/Grey/Zef/Tywin and we'll be okay imo

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Massive is the GM if he's scum it'll be obv enough at some point I think

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We should have let you died because it's going to be another six days of this

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Fuck it tho right?

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It's crazy how atleast four of you have a submission finisher and have already used it I can't fucking kill anybody

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I swear I never get the cool shit

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Honestly lets just kill everyone that isn't Me/KT/Maria/Grey/Zef/Tywin and we'll be okay imo

Why are you town-reading Grey?

He feels town to me, I don't necessarily agree with what his conclusions but his thought process feels like they're coming from town. Like the Creature thing earlier

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What do you mean

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Man I guess

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Can we please lynch Titus

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If she flips town you guys can beat me up

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Why do I have to ask questions

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Honestly all KT does is ask questions tbh

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You said look at their ISO I thought you were talking about both of us

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I just like to have conversation tbh

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I didn't copy and paste it or anything I literally just went to my PM folder and typed it out

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Can we please lynch Titus

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Wait so I broke the rules

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Cuz im town lol

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Well then I guess I fucked up then cuz im seriously town and you're probably scum so where do we go from here

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I was honestly just doing that to make a point didn't think it was a big deal tbh

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You got those backwards. I told the mod. He'll punish you for cheating, and we'll get to hunt your buddies.

If I am scum how is that cheating

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Wait so even if I was scum I still cheated? what the fuck that sucks

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Honestly I don't think I did anything wrong tbh

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We'll see tho I guess

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This is dumb because this could literally all be avoided with sample PMs in the OP

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Atleast if they modkill me you wont have to deal with me getting everyone to lynch you and feeling bad

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You prob kinda feel shitty about me calling you out as scum so quick but I know the ensuing lynch would have destroyed your pride

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Sorry about that Kuroi, I fucked up

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I agree with all but Vifam. Vifam must scumhunt before I will ever townread them, especially after trying to coast on a fake claim

How am I not scumhunting

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I've said who I think is town numerous times now

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Honestly lets just kill everyone that isn't Me/KT/Maria/Grey/Zef/Tywin and we'll be okay imo

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idk what you want from me tbh

If you're town then you're just harping on my play which is dumb

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There are parts of me that wonder about KT, sometimes he feels genuinely confused and sometimes it feels like he's faking it. He's had his moments where he's looked town like his stuff with Creature. Plus he's honestly just fun to have around

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idk what you want from me tbh

If you're town then you're just harping on my play which is dumb

Now I am just dumb.

You're just shading me to protect yourself.

Throwing out names alone isn't scumhunting.

You ask me to explain a townread and I'll explain it I wont go out of my way if you dont ask

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If Titus is town I'll give away my first born child

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lol that list, must have at least two scum in it.

Yeah maybe



those people have all towntold in a big enough way for me to leave em alone tho so

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Also, watch out with the Fake Confidence.

It works like this: Someone has a fake confidence X is scum even though others are strongly townreading him, and then suddenly the townreads start to die and scum gets another free mislynch on their pool.

Titus is widely townread?

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Where Maria towntold?

Her tone and the argument she had with Titus/Grey felt like it was coming from a townie to me

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Yes, and there are couple others.

I don't really see Titus being town why do you think she's town

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Her reaction to my push is shitty imo, saying that Im scum for not contributing just seems like she's giving herself a reason to OMGUS

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There wasn't any townslip the mod told us they already knew all that stuff about alignment so that means zero

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I don't have experience with her so idk about activity, but the way she's reacted to my push and her initial attacks on me all feel scummy, she seems to point things out about my play that she either grossly exaggerates or accuses me of not doing anything at all which obviously isn't true by any standards. It feels like she's scum and she's just trying to discredit me at this point

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Aside from the finishing move on Gamma, Titus hasn't really seemed to put any real pressure on anyone in terms of tunneling. If she's regularly on someone's ass 24/7 as town Im not seeing it here

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Chill bro

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No need for all the hostility no one got hurt calm yourself lmao

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If Gamma is scum idk why he'd point out that I could be a potential clear when he was like two hours away from dying

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Actually the submission was already broken, still a weird thing for scum to point out in the situation he just came out of tho

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Defend myself from what?

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Wow everybody can do super cool shit apparently

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Lifes tough

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The submission prob just doesn't go through

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That'd make sense anyway

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Randomly?

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If Gamma is scum why didn't he make up something everyone could understand tho

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See they should have just let you die before now if you flip town I'll feel kinda bad

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Before it was like whatever but now it's like damm

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Your claim doesn't feel like something scum would put out in the situation their in but at the same time pepto is right so

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VOTE: Gamma

Fuck it