Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[Ircher]

And:

1) When did I chainsaw and why did you assume it's a chainsaw?
2) How am I undermining town cohesion?

[-Grey-]

I'm not worried about a flash lynch.
I'm just a lot more interested in what Ircher has to say about a Gamma wagon than I am with the players reversed.

Request granted.

VOTE: Gamma

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ah, game did start, got it :p

@work right now so I'll be on to talk in like 4 hours maybe 5.

Quick scim tells me we are doing a gamma wagon. Why is that?

[Ircher]

What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?

What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?

See? His guilty scum mind confesses in his confusion!

Surprised by my quick deduction that he is scum, he questions how I caught him.

No, that's no slip. I'm asking if "ugly" is said more by town than scum.
BTW people need to post here FAST.

I liked these two posts. Grey stated his responses were humor, but I disagree - he would've stopped with his first response if it was simply humor. Continuing to call it scum posts makes people believe it is serious.

Gamma's reactions were fine -- he is questioning Grey's reads because there dies not appear to be evidence supporting them.

[Ircher]

Yo cut the chainsaw PAL.

What chainsaw?

[Ircher]

There's nothing to make me want to join the Gamma wagon as of right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the Gamma case is relevant right now. Now, please kindly share w/ the rest of the game as I don't see it.

Pedit: It's neutral at worse, pro-town at best. Yes, stagnation is a problem and why deadlines exist, but a bigger problem imo are deadline lynch scrambles. You never know until that point, but I'd say it's better safe than sorry.

Pedit2:

Scumreads: Grey, Human Sequencer right now.

[Ircher]

Somewhat fair, but does that constitute necessarily a chainsaw when I was already scumreading Grey (and Sequencer by admittedly assoc.)

[All Alone]

I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.

This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

mkay
Only a certain type of person can provide what I desire rn

[Ircher]

Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.

Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepy

Spoiler:

Okay Well did earlier than I like to do. (as I like to make this post as my second post and I have something to comment on so... wanna do my second post followed by the comment). So... here we go.

Hello Everyone!, For those who know my play style this will be my normal meta post so... feel free to skip. For everyone else... time to write hiya, I'm naomi and I have a very strange play style. Starting with a quirk; I call town Green and Mafia Reds I've only recently started doing this and I do slip up on this from time to time. So... going forward bare this in mind.

Now. my Green play style is what I was talking about when I said I have a strange style. I tend to do smaller posts throughout with bigger posts on occasion day 1 I like to do bigger read lists and iso's and stuff but it normally becomes unsustainable. This alone isn't strange

The strangeness starts now. I also fear death, So.. It warps my views and sometimes I do things just to get people off me. This can easily be miss read as a Red!tell but Thats just kinda how I am. It also leads me to have a LAMIST kinda playstyle pointing things out and I'm also not very good at the game and sometimes when I notice something that looks sorta suspicious but I dunno what to do with it I'll just kinda draw attention to it and flag people into examining it on my behalf as I couldn't draw a conclusion.

I do try to be fair and try to think about things from others points of views simulating in my head if something is more likely to be a Green move or a Red move and I tend to post that kinda thing. But.... It sometimes leads me to just null conculsions or just leads no where... its kinda a thing.

I am also aware that people see these kinda posts and go; Self meta BS. when I've been doing them there are generally 3 pools of people. those who believe me, those who played with me, and those who don't. If your currently falling in the last group of players feel free to browse my wiki, I post every game I've completed in it and it can be a good source for you to confirm this information. of course most of you won't.. but that just tends to be how it is.

Finally though my account is an older one I have only played a small pool of games as I took around about a year and a half break between two of my games only starting steadily again this year. So.. though I'm an older account I lack the experience and skill of many of my contemporaries.

So.. yeah.. thats pretty much all you need to know to get a good read on myself and... yeah lets get to that post I wanted to make.

TL;DR> She posts this stuff as town. Save your RVS votes for Gamma.

1) Why are you so keen on Gamma
2) How is this in any way indicative of alignment

My 3rd Q here was already answered.

What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?

See? His guilty scum mind confesses in his confusion!

Surprised by my quick deduction that he is scum, he questions how I caught him.

If it were humor, there was no reason to post this follow-up after the first post.

How do you know with such little experience on this site? I mean, experience != skill, but it's kinda hard you can already read a player based off a single post being only a month on the site.

As I quoted, she made the same kind of post on another game she played where she was town.

It was not posted as proof of her alignment, just to stop paranoid players from wasting time voting her over that wall because it's NAI.

My post seemed pretty self-explanatory, to me.

Not really. And why would people vote someone outside the beginning of the game for making a single LAMIST wall?

No one did. Don't be rude.

56 suggests otherwise.

If it was humor, you wouldn't've made the quoted post. One joke is enough.

61 wasn't a joke, I agree one is enough.

You knew what I meant.

Grey's a bit of a poser. Either that or he's an alt.

Neither. It's not advanced physics to check a player's history and see the same kind of post in other games.

And? People can manipulate their meta. It's the trends that matter, but you have to realize that it has to be a hard-to-manipulate trend. If, as you say, Naomi only posts that as town, then the post has become borderline-Trust Tell as a result. Anyway, it isn't a hard thing to do as scum so the entire post is null.

[Ircher]

Pretty sure that's like L-2 at this point.

[Ircher]

I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.

This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is what I'm looking for. While I agree with the premise stated here, I don't think it warrants a wagon in comparison to everything else Gamma has done so far.

[-Grey-]

so the entire post is null.

No shit Sherlock.

NAI at best.

Precisely.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.

This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nah it's town.

It's day 1 first few pages. It's evident, at least to me that Gamma doesn't care about the wagon on him, but instead is interested in the inactives, or those that will try to hide behind a bandwagon so they don't have to contribute much to the discussion.

[-Grey-]

I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.

This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nah it's town.

It's day 1 first few pages. It's evident, at least to me that Gamma doesn't care about the wagon on him, but instead is interested in the inactives, or those that will try to hide behind a bandwagon so they don't have to contribute much to the discussion.

What do you make of Ircher?

[Ircher]

so the entire post is null.

No shit Sherlock.

NAI at best.

Precisely.

Then why'd you bring it up? We're back to square one.

[-Grey-]

so the entire post is null.

No shit Sherlock.

NAI at best.

Precisely.

Then why'd you bring it up? We're back to square one.

All the one that keeps whining about it.

[-Grey-]

Ask*

[Gamma Emerald]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68600
Just going to leave this here. Everyone should read up to page 5.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ive skimmed the posts, say a quick refresh an wanted to give my thoughts, don't expect much but during my next break I'll take a look.

Don't try to rush me because I couldn't care less how slow I take. I'm a thinker not a fighter

[Ircher]

There once was a scum named Grey
Who was keen to tunnel his prey.
Try as he might, he just couldn't be right
And in the end we all just pray.

[-Grey-]

There once was a scum named Grey
Who was keen to tunnel his prey.
Try as he might, he just couldn't be right
And in the end we all just pray.

Relax champ, I'll be back on your wagon before long.

I know you miss me.

[Flubbernugget]

I didn't know this started

[Gamma Emerald]

Everyone please follow tge instructions in post 119.