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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:10 pm

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In post 1263, SnarkySnowman wrote:for reference, 929 = grey's claim, 1024 = TB's claim.
Do you think the order they claimed in is relevant?

I get the distinction you're making; that one hardclaimed at l-2 the other softed for no reason.

Both are bad play. Both will be sorted out ... probably tomorrow. But you're down to lynch grey today.
In post 1268, LicketyQuickety wrote:And here we now have 2 PR claims on day one. Turning out to be quite the shit storm.
LOL

So do you believe tb's claim or not?
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:11 pm

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1shot > noshot
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:11 pm

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No. Just so much no. (ninja, this is to lickety.)

Im planning on putting Lickety at l-1. So heads up.
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:12 pm

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Scum advocating for the real cop to out themselves on d1 before theya use their shot is an attempt to deny information to town.

LQ is blatant scum that needs to die.
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:12 pm

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In post 1273, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1272, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1271, LicketyQuickety wrote:Would you rather have an un CCed claim live for longer than they should? Its a 1-shot bro.
All the more reason to get that result before countering, bro.
I'd rather take a confirmed Scum than a random peek.
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:13 pm

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In post 1274, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1273, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1272, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1271, LicketyQuickety wrote:Would you rather have an un CCed claim live for longer than they should? Its a 1-shot bro.
All the more reason to get that result before countering, bro.
I'd rather take a confirmed Scum than a random peek.
No need to make the choice by waiting for d2. Die, scum.
I think it was TB who brought up the JK thing. So guess what you just did? You forced the possible JK to have to chose between yourself and a Cop claim. And NO Scum would do that? GTFO of here with that garbage.
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:14 pm

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I mentioned the JK
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:15 pm

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In post 1279, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1273, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1272, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1271, LicketyQuickety wrote:Would you rather have an un CCed claim live for longer than they should? Its a 1-shot bro.
All the more reason to get that result before countering, bro.
I'd rather take a confirmed Scum than a random peek.
We can peg 2 scum if the cop gets a guilty
Guess what? 2/3 PRs have claimed on day one.
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:16 pm

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Grey soft claimed first, and then Think hard claimed without much provocation.

Snark, how do you feel about Think being at l-2 when he makes his first post of the day saying he'll be back later, then he says "oh shit, im at l-2, imma claim"
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:18 pm

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In post 1064, ThinkBig wrote:
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I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est
First post at 1030 am
In post 1094, ThinkBig wrote:I'm on the train headed home. Since I am at L2, I am going to go ahead and claim: I am the 1-shot cop.
Two posts later at 430pm

Nothing changed inbetween those posts that would have upped the need to claim.
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:19 pm

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In post 1176, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1169, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1150, Gamma Emerald wrote:Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.
Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.
In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push
In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics
Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.
Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?
Grey is PR claiming. tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one. I did my own personal speculation before the game started and I feel there's a lok likelihood of JK or Tracker, with JK MUCH less likely than any other.
In post 1180, ThinkBig wrote:Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.
Well, here's the conversation about it anyways.

Gamma, you have no problem with Greys claim?
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:20 pm

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@Culted, I think order of claims is pretty important.
In post 1283, Formerfish wrote:Grey soft claimed first, and then Think hard claimed without much provocation.

Snark, how do you feel about Think being at l-2 when he makes his first post of the day saying he'll be back later, then he says "oh shit, im at l-2, imma claim"
Comparatively, way better.
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:22 pm

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Snarky, I'm coming for you tonight.

Do have a single malt ready.
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:23 pm

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In post 1285, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1176, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1169, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1150, Gamma Emerald wrote:Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.
Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.
In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push
In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics
Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.
Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?
Grey is PR claiming. tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one. I did my own personal speculation before the game started and I feel there's a lok likelihood of JK or Tracker, with JK MUCH less likely than any other.
In post 1180, ThinkBig wrote:Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.
Well, here's the conversation about it anyways.

Gamma, you have no problem with Greys claim?
It's more risky as scum than town. No problems.
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:24 pm

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In post 1266, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1261, culted wrote:pedit; Snarky that vote makes like zero sense.
He's trying to get town to do his dirty work for him and he's too impatient to wait for d2 because I'll be confirmed then.
Okay look

If you're the 1-shot cop, claim, and counterclaim, have a clear case of "one is scum, one is town". One town for one scum is a good trade, and is an acceptable way to use it. On the other hand, your reaction to his claim and how you've talked about it since does not scream "I want to counterclaim this".

YES I AGREE WITH LQ, a cop should CC. It's not bad play.
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:24 pm

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That doesn't answer the question snark.

How do you feel about Think posting at 1030 am saying he would fight the case later, while sitting at l-2. Then 6 hours later, after not posting anything else he comes in and says that since he is at l-2 he'll claim.
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:25 pm

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In post 1287, -Grey- wrote:Snarky, I'm coming for you tonight.

Do have a single malt ready.
Case please, not "snarky is scum because they think my play was shitty"
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:26 pm

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In post 1288, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1285, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1176, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1169, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1150, Gamma Emerald wrote:Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.
Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.
In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push
In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics
Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.
Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?
Grey is PR claiming. tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one. I did my own personal speculation before the game started and I feel there's a lok likelihood of JK or Tracker, with JK MUCH less likely than any other.
In post 1180, ThinkBig wrote:Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.
Well, here's the conversation about it anyways.

Gamma, you have no problem with Greys claim?
It's more risky as scum than town. No problems.
I didn't know risk was AI. How is risk AI?
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:26 pm

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And you are pushing this as hard as you are probably because you know that you guys, you know the scum team, didn't pick the cop to be a town role in this game. So in effect you are calling out someone who probably doesnt exist so you can point at that and say see no one came out as the cop, this guy must be real.

Its a bullshit play and its not going to work. I am going to put lickety at l- at 1030, do what you will til then.
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:27 pm

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In post 1290, Formerfish wrote:That doesn't answer the question snark.

How do you feel about Think posting at 1030 am saying he would fight the case later, while sitting at l-2. Then 6 hours later, after not posting anything else he comes in and says that since he is at l-2 he'll claim.
Not amazing, but again, a lot better than I feel about grey's "soft"

TB felt like it could come from town. Grey felt very out of place for town, especially in the context of his own play.
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:27 pm

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In post 1289, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 1266, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1261, culted wrote:pedit; Snarky that vote makes like zero sense.
He's trying to get town to do his dirty work for him and he's too impatient to wait for d2 because I'll be confirmed then.
Okay look

If you're the 1-shot cop, claim, and counterclaim, have a clear case of "one is scum, one is town". One town for one scum is a good trade, and is an acceptable way to use it. On the other hand, your reaction to his claim and how you've talked about it since does not scream "I want to counterclaim this".

YES I AGREE WITH LQ, a cop should CC. It's not bad play.
No, that's suboptimal.

Claiming d2 after results prevents scum from negating the benefit gained by countering today.

If I counter TB, he dies today and I die tonight.

If I wait for d2, he dies d2 and I die n2, BUT WE HAVE A GUILTY OR INNOCENT RESULT TOO!

This isn't rocket surgery.
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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:29 pm

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Snark, dont think the fact that when lickety becomes a legit wagon you come out of the wood work to defend him and throw shade elsewhere.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:29 pm

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is going unnoticed, (i did it afuckinggain)
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:30 pm

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In post 1291, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 1287, -Grey- wrote:Snarky, I'm coming for you tonight.

Do have a single malt ready.
Case please, not "snarky is scum because they think my play was shitty"
I said tonight, killer. Not today.
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:31 pm

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In post 1293, Formerfish wrote:And you are pushing this as hard as you are probably because you know that you guys, you know the scum team, didn't pick the cop to be a town role in this game. So in effect you are calling out someone who probably doesnt exist so you can point at that and say see no one came out as the cop, this guy must be real.

Its a bullshit play and its not going to work. I am going to put lickety at l- at 1030, do what you will til then.
Nope, I am pointing out that CC the cop claim is the correct play. Don't put words in my mouth.
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