Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

Formerfish · Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:53 pm

How is Thinks claim confirmable?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:55 pm

In post 1169, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1150, Gamma Emerald wrote:Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.
Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.
In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push
In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics
Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.
Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?

Grey is PR claiming. tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one. I did my own personal speculation before the game started and I feel there's a lok likelihood of JK or Tracker, with JK MUCH less likely than any other.

-Grey- · Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:57 pm

In post 1175, Formerfish wrote:How is Thinks claim confirmable?

If he claims a guilty, lynch the guilty and he's confirmed when they flip.

If he claims an inno, lynch TB (he's VT anyway) and the inno is confirmed town when he flips cop.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:58 pm

In post 1175, Formerfish wrote:How is Thinks claim confirmable?

Depends if there are 3 other PR claims or not. If there are just 2, then that confirms him as Town.

I really have no idea why he claimed at L-2, but that means Grey and TB are not teamed (Mafia) since Grey lead the push. That is most likely at least.

-Grey- · Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 1176, Gamma Emerald wrote:tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one.

Shut your mouth, boy!

You leave me be at night.

ThinkBig · Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:59 pm

Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 1172, Formerfish wrote:Ok, but either way that scenario plays out there is an endgame to it that will come quickly. If the cop scumposter clears a scum buddy, as soon as the fake cop dies we will know. Also, if the fake cop guilt's a townie and we lynch him, scum dies for sure next day.

This logic is faulty. Scum could declare an inno on a townie just so they get MLed for this logic.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:00 pm

In post 1180, ThinkBig wrote:Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.

I'm saying JK is less likely.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:00 pm

What does in general mean?
As for the low tactics I'll point that out.

ThinkBig · Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:01 pm

Ah sorry. I misread that as much more likely.

@grey, why would you lynch me if I get an innocent result? The Mafia will just NK my innocent result barring any protective roles and leave the town without any conf!townies unless there's an IC.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 808, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 806, nn30 wrote:There's exactly 0 reason for me to be bussing right there.
Hes saying hes scum with someone else.

In post 811, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 809, Gamma Emerald wrote:That's not what I'm saying at all.
I know, nn30 is syaing it.

He's trying to get nn30 with a "gotcha" moment.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:03 pm

In post 1179, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1176, Gamma Emerald wrote:tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one.
Shut your mouth, boy!

You leave me be at night.

Seems weird not to have an exclamation point in the second sentence.

-Grey- · Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:04 pm

In post 1184, ThinkBig wrote:Ah sorry. I misread that as much more likely.

@grey, why would you lynch me if I get an innocent result? The Mafia will just NK my innocent result barring any protective roles and leave the town without any conf!townies unless there's an IC.

Don't get any grand ideas about your claim keeping you alive.

I'm still debating on whether it should get you to d2.

-Grey- · Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:05 pm

In post 1186, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1179, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1176, Gamma Emerald wrote:tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one.
Shut your mouth, boy!

You leave me be at night.
Seems weird not to have an exclamation point in the second sentence.

Omg your desperation to shade me is delicious.

Formerfish · Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:06 pm

In post 1177, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1175, Formerfish wrote:How is Thinks claim confirmable?
If he claims a guilty, lynch the guilty and he's confirmed when they flip.

If he claims an inno, lynch TB (he's VT anyway) and the inno is confirmed town when he flips cop.

Ok, i was just making sure you meant in the future, and not something right now.

In post 1180, ThinkBig wrote:Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.

Son, if you are an actual cop do you see yourself living through the night?

In post 1181, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1172, Formerfish wrote:Ok, but either way that scenario plays out there is an endgame to it that will come quickly. If the cop scumposter clears a scum buddy, as soon as the fake cop dies we will know. Also, if the fake cop guilt's a townie and we lynch him, scum dies for sure next day.
This logic is faulty. Scum could declare an inno on a townie just so they get MLed for this logic.

No, that is good game play. The best thing scum can do is muddy the waters so much that we have us all chasing each others tails. How is that done? By doing things that are counter intuitive towards what their powers are.

In post 1183, Gamma Emerald wrote:What does in general mean?
As for the low tactics I'll point that out.

It means do you town read them for those pushes in general, like the fact that they happened at all, or for specifics reasons based on those pushes.

ThinkBig · Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:07 pm

"Son, if you are an actual cop do you see yourself living through the night?"

No.

Formerfish · Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:09 pm

In post 1185, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 808, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 806, nn30 wrote:There's exactly 0 reason for me to be bussing right there.
Hes saying hes scum with someone else.

In post 811, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 809, Gamma Emerald wrote:That's not what I'm saying at all.
I know, nn30 is syaing it.
He's trying to get nn30 with a "gotcha" moment.

You think Vax is scum because he alluded to the fact that nn30 could have been saying that he's not bussing as scum, because the person with might not have been his partner. Normally someone would say something about being town and voting for scum, not calling it bussing. And this is scum hunting dog. He is trying to catch nn in a lie/inconsistency/slip. So you are scum reading him for doing something good for the town?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:10 pm

In post 1188, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1186, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1179, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1176, Gamma Emerald wrote:tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one.
Shut your mouth, boy!

You leave me be at night.
Seems weird not to have an exclamation point in the second sentence.
Omg your desperation to shade me is delicious.

Reread my interaction with cheesy.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:10 pm

In post 1191, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1185, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 808, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 806, nn30 wrote:There's exactly 0 reason for me to be bussing right there.
Hes saying hes scum with someone else.

In post 811, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 809, Gamma Emerald wrote:That's not what I'm saying at all.
I know, nn30 is syaing it.
He's trying to get nn30 with a "gotcha" moment.
You think Vax is scum because he alluded to the fact that nn30 could have been saying that he's not bussing as scum, because the person with might not have been his partner. Normally someone would say something about being town and voting for scum, not calling it bussing. And this is scum hunting dog. He is trying to catch nn in a lie/inconsistency/slip. So you are scum reading him for doing something good for the town?

The way he's saying it feels like scum trying to force a slip.

Formerfish · Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:14 pm

nn had already "slipped" at that point, Vax was just pointing it out.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:15 pm

I'd like Vax to point out the slip and explain it then.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:15 pm

In post 1194, Formerfish wrote:nn had already "slipped" at that point, Vax was just pointing it out.

Slips, yes, slips are reliable... always.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:16 pm

I think TB is the wrong read out of the three for now. If Vax towns up TB's back to being a SR.

Formerfish · Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:18 pm

nn didnt say "if i were scum my meta would suggest that this is not a situation where I would bus."

he said, "i have 0 reason to bus right now."

thats the slip, if it is one.

ninja: Again, this is day 1 and people do make mistakes. Am i saying lets get the rope right now? No, saying that Vax isn't scum for that interaction.

ninja 2: you have more reasons on your list to distrust Think, and his claim is scummy as hell, but he is the one that you want to walk back on?

-Grey- · Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:19 pm

I do not for half a second buy TB's claim and it's driving me up a wall trying to figure out why he would claim cop on d1.

It's certainly not a strategy that will get him far as scum, so I'm thinking he might be trying to draw heat from me since he was about to die anyway, which would be decent of him to do, although fake-claiming to do so is bad.

It's this question about his alignment that has me wanting to keep him alive for one night.