Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.
Cheesy was for TB's push.
Tojam is for LQ's push
TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics
LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.

[-Grey-]

Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.

They're suicide as town, too.

Just saying.

[Formerfish]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

That's rather obvious. I missed it earlier and Gamma brought it back up

VOTE: LQ

My scumread on you has been building and I'm pretty happy lynching here today.

Reasons, k?

I knew you were going to ask that!

Why would I want my Scum read to know why I am Scumreading them?

What is your point here, darling?

This is strike number 2 for Lickety in my book. The first was that other time where he laid out a town read then took it back for one reason, and they did the same to me for the opposite. Scum tend to flap whichever way the wind is going at that point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.

They're suicide as town, too.

Just saying.

Town are not as worried about dying.

[Formerfish]

LQ, who's scum?

Not sure. There are a lot of underplaying decent players in this game. Some sly characters here.

Comments like this is why you're scum.

I'd you thought there were underplaying decent characters, you'd be pissed at them for not playing optimally.

Instead, you are saying they are playing very well (Sly characters) yet "underplaying".

You're teaching for what you think town wants to hear and stumbling over yourself.

Nice accusation. Clearly you will not be NKed if I am lynched.

Is this for in case your lynch goes through your buddies will know not to kill Grey to drive us nuts with WIFOM?

[nn30]

I am not town reading Cheesy/Realo(Realo's replacement?) and Vedith/Vedith's replacement) as well as Gamma.

Light town read on Arona too.

I love having 10 pages to work with - it gives me a chance at a birds eye view of the game (similar to replacing in but not exact).

I think LQ is scum.

VOTE: LQ

No recent VC so I have no idea where that puts him (I saw L-2 earlier? So I'm assuming it's not hammer).

[nn30]

Now*

Not not.

Sorry.

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

[-Grey-]

Is this for in case your lynch goes through your buddies will know not to kill Grey to drive us nuts with WIFOM?

I sure hope so, lol.

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Doesn't matter, he's not being lynched today.

If he's town, scum will kill either him or me. Whomever scum doesn't kill gets sorted tomorrow.

Trust me, I get that (notice I had already unvoted). I just wanted to make sure to point out the inconsistencies with his reasoning when he remains alive tomorrow.

[Formerfish]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

Does something being brought back up have a significance towards alignment? Cause I found these oddly out of place when i did my read through.

@gamma

Maybe, but I feel like lickety is the type of player (they said themselves that they were firing from the hip i think) that scum could use for distractions/blame later for a mislynch. So I'm interested in how others interact with him.

Explain to me exactly what type of player you think I am.

Thinkbig/cheesy/realeo

Sounds fair.

I don't see ThinkingBig as mafia for the moment.

How do these posts relate?

I think our differences come from the fact I have experience mostly in real life mafia where interactions are different and you get instant feedback from everybody. It's difficult to adjust.

AtE

I give you credit for not Town reading me just because I am voting Gamma. This is why I think you are Town.

To be clear, its because I am a huge fan of bussing on day 1 as scum. There is so much room to make it seem like you are scum hunting on someone you know has no chance of being rung up. And for the record, thats like the 3rd time you've given me towncred. Please leave some of the d for the rest of the group.

[LicketyQuickety]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

Its a trade. If TB is Scum, then they can trade a confirmed Town for a living Mafia. It also muddles the field for late game.

[Formerfish]

beating around the bush

Heh heh

Heh heh heh

I was going to go with pussy footing, but I didn't want to run the risk of offending anyones delicate sensibilities.

[-Grey-]

beating around the bush

Heh heh

Heh heh heh

I was going to go with pussyfooting, but I didn't want to run the risk of offending anyones delicate sensibilities.

It's one word, not two.

[Formerfish]

I am not town reading Cheesy/Realo(Realo's replacement?) and Vedith/Vedith's replacement) as well as Gamma.

Light town read on Arona too.

I love having 10 pages to work with - it gives me a chance at a birds eye view of the game (similar to replacing in but not exact).

I think LQ is scum.

VOTE: LQ

No recent VC so I have no idea where that puts him (I saw L-2 earlier? So I'm assuming it's not hammer).

Are you always this reckless with your votes? You haven't seen a recent vc, yet you vote him anyways even though it could be l-2, l-1, hammer vote, or even put him in close enough position to have someone else vote him "oooppsss by acccident" and then we have a whole other can of WIFOM to choke down.

[-Grey-]

IME, scum tends to be more careful about vote placement than town anyway, so that's null.

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

Its a trade. If TB is Scum, then they can trade a confirmed Town for a living Mafia. It also muddles the field for late game.

What? Who becomes the confirmed town in this situation?

[Formerfish]

IME, scum tends to be more careful about vote placement than town anyway, so that's null.

That's true to a point, but its not a hard rule. Scum can make use of confusion and lack of vc's to place some shitty votes that we then have to analyze to death to figure out if he was stupid, or scum.

[-Grey-]

IME, scum tends to be more careful about vote placement than town anyway, so that's null.

That's true to a point, but its not a hard rule. Scum can make use of confusion and lack of vc's to place some shitty votes that we then have to analyze to death to figure out if he was stupid, or scum.

Hence null instead of town indicative.

[Formerfish]

Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.

Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.

In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push

In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics

Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.

Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, Grey. I tend to see it as a bit more of a scum tell myself, only for the fact that I feel like a town member I make sure to not do anything stupid that would hurt the town. So I would make extra sure to know where people were in the vcs. As scum I am the kind of person who would make a stupid vote knowing that I am about to talk my way out of it when it comes time.

[LicketyQuickety]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

Its a trade. If TB is Scum, then they can trade a confirmed Town for a living Mafia. It also muddles the field for late game.

What? Who becomes the confirmed town in this situation?

IDK, it could be anyone really, but it has to make sense. Like "I investigated [player X] for Y reason(s)."

[Formerfish]

Ok, but either way that scenario plays out there is an endgame to it that will come quickly. If the cop scumposter clears a scum buddy, as soon as the fake cop dies we will know. Also, if the fake cop guilt's a townie and we lynch him, scum dies for sure next day.

[Formerfish]

Or, he whiteknights a townie, gets cred and we all die at endgame

[-Grey-]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

Its a trade. If TB is Scum, then they can trade a confirmed Town for a living Mafia. It also muddles the field for late game.

What? Who becomes the confirmed town in this situation?

IDK, it could be anyone really, but it has to make sense. Like "I investigated [player X] for Y reason(s)."

All of this is d2 talk and your interest in casting shade on claimed confirmable PR's before they have a chance to confirm themselves is also highly scum-indicative.