Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[Formerfish]

Hi guys. What should I know before I start my read through?

[Formerfish]

Hi guys. What should I know before I start my read through?

First: Don't give it away if you are a PR.
Second: Scum hunt.
Third: Lynch Sum.

Sorry, I wasn't asking you to explain how to play mafia. I know you guys don't know me, but that's only because I've been gone for awhile.

I am asking about this game specifically.

[Formerfish]

Nah, I stepped away from the game man. I flew to close to the sun and I crashed.

[Formerfish]

No worries, I can't not be what I am. Eminem taught me that years ago.

And I may be posting bullshitting with you guys because I am a lonely sad person, but I am also reading.

[Formerfish]

There's this great movie called Equilibrium...

LOL
I get it

I don't know if it is important that I dont understand.

[Formerfish]

The only thing you caught is your dick which you apparently like to stroke ferociously

Message reported. No need for this.

If you reported this, then there is a good chance you are not going to like my style of play, word choice, or anything else about me. Also, I usually find that people who get butt hurt by comments tend to become my scum reads. I feel like town would have tougher skin than that.

(I know that I havent posted anything prior to this, but this just stood out on my read through, I have some other shit I am still working on.)

[Formerfish]

Because town doesnt give a fuck about making waves. Being town brings a swagger i havent seen since Macklemore walked into that club wearing gator shoes. Town would fire back and hit harder, looking for any signs of wavering. Scums mission here is to get rid of town players right? Does it matter how that gets done? If someone is mod killed or kicked from the game then it eliminates a threat in a townie, and a strong player (depending).

[Formerfish]

Aron, what was the point of asking me a question if you werent going to do anything with my answer?

[Formerfish]

I can tell you where you can put pre-flip associations. Hint: it's not a pleasant place.

[Formerfish]

Is TB the lynch right now?

[Formerfish]

I would like to know, cause as of page 24ish I am leaning scum on you.

[Formerfish]

I'll stay here for a bit to see where this goes.

[Formerfish]

Yeah, how about you explain you views there either way captain.

[Formerfish]

Earlier in the game you town read someone, and then took that town read away due to what you thought was an overwillingness to accept your town read. Now you town read me off a question, and when I question your town read you say you may be wrong?

[Formerfish]

You should read me as town, but I need to figure out if that read is based off actual knowledge (you know cause you are scum) or not.

[Formerfish]

So you get town reads by acting scummy and seeing how people react to you?

[Formerfish]

Is titus still voting you? I'm lazy and have no idea where the last vote count will be located.

[Formerfish]

That goes against my religion. Its ok, im on page 34 now, im sure ill hit one soon.

[Formerfish]

Ok, I am current. I am willing to go into my reads with anyone who wants to know more. I am not going to make a huge wall post spanning all the stupid shit you guys have fought about, that would make me want to vomit.

Town: Cheesy, Titus, Grey
Townish: Culted, Vax
Null: Aron, Snarky
Scummy: Tojam, nn30
Scum: Think, Gamma, Lickity

Vote Count 1.7

Titus:

Cheesy,

Realeo

, LicketyQuickety (L-4)

Realeo

:

, nn30, tojam2 (L-5)

ThinkBig:

culted, Gamma Emerald (L-5)

tojam2:

Vaxkiller (L-6)

nn30:

aronagrundy (L-6)

SnarkySnowman:

ThinkBig (L-6)

LicketyQuickety:

Titus (L-6)

Not voting:

Aeronaut, SnarkySnowman

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2016-12-21 14:50:00), or four days after all slots are occupied; whichever is later.

Still seeking a replacement for Realeo.

We have 4 days from now to decide where to go. I dont remember any votes changing after that vote count, so i think it could be accurate. I don't like the votes on a dead slot, it tells us nothing since you can pressure someone who isnt there. Gamma being on Think means that i believe bussing is occuring, im ok with that I bus as scum.

VOTE: Think

[Formerfish]

I don't like policy lynches unless they serve another purpose as well. We would get nothing from lynching SS based on policy since he barely has any interactions for associations, we aren't in a position where we are going to nolynch, and there are scummier dudes than him in this game.

[Formerfish]

I don't like policy lynches unless they serve another purpose as well. We would get nothing from lynching SS based on policy since he barely has any interactions for associations, we aren't in a position where we are going to nolynch, and there are scummier dudes than him in this game.

And he will still be around tomorrow if we don't lynch him today. What are good reasons to keep him in the game? If there are none, he should be policy lynched.

And if he's a PR?

[Formerfish]

Culted reminds me of myself as new town. I saw dragons when there were only windmills and charged towards them with reckless abandon. I was wrong a shit ton to, so I'm not going to hold a few reads we disagree on.

[Formerfish]

Vax- gets a townish read due to PP and the way he replaced in.

[Formerfish]

I have more, but I already shut my computer down and switched to my phone.

[Formerfish]

Culted reminds me of myself as new town. I saw dragons when there were only windmills and charged towards them with reckless abandon. I was wrong a shit ton to, so I'm not going to hold a few reads we disagree on.

Im not going to hold those reads against her. How the fuck did I not finish a sentence?

[Formerfish]

Culted reminds me of myself as new town. I saw dragons when there were only windmills and charged towards them with reckless abandon. I was wrong a shit ton to, so I'm not going to hold a few reads we disagree on.

This is bad and you should feel bad.

Totes don't. Sorry, not sorry. If you want me to elaborate on where that read came from you'll have to wait. Do you see scum in her?

[Formerfish]

It's day 1 and I just read 40 pages in one go. My reads are my reads for the reasons in my own head. You have your style and I'll have mine. As long as we are working towards the same goal I don't care how we arrive at our conclusions.

[Formerfish]

If you think she is scum, then tell me where I should look to see what you see. If you don't, then do you think I'm scum for town reading her? If you don't think I'm scum and you don't think shes scum then what's the point of calling out why I have a townish read on her?

[Formerfish]

Because at this point I am trying to asses where you are coming from on this and the question is a necessary one for me to do that. Why do you get to decide what questions are necessary to someone else?

Ninja: I don't think she's been overly aggressive, but I do feel like she has reads and she is making an attempt to go after them. With more info we can determine if those efforts were genuine or for show. Right now I am seeing town notes in her song. Doesn't mean they are there in reality, like you said we all have our own bias.

[Formerfish]

Pocketed?

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, one of my biggest weaknesses is confbias, which seems like the same thing.

[Formerfish]

Pocketing is the same as White Knighting.

Not really. I've been whiteknighted and ended up seeing through it.

We think of it differently then. Sometimes there is a lot of talk about who is pocketing who.

Is pocketing a newish term? I'm fairly certain I've never seen that one used before.

[Formerfish]

Vax- Gamma is scum because of early game interaction I read as off and the fact that she voted vedith for role fishing knowing that it was a joke between two people who just played a game very similar where the person in question was in fact the cop in that game. That comes off as scum parking a vote on some bullshit.

[Formerfish]

Grey is either the best scum player or Realeo was as bad as I said.

I'm not really seeing a lot about TB these past few, pages, has it been given up on? Maybe it's best to do a no-lynch based on the low chance of landing scum.

Did you miss where I gave reads, and then voted for Think? You do see the VC putting him at l-2?

Also, if anyone else says no lunch today I will tunnel into your ass like a tapeworm.

[Formerfish]

Grey is either the best scum player or Realeo was as bad as I said.

I'm not really seeing a lot about TB these past few, pages, has it been given up on? Maybe it's best to do a no-lynch based on the low chance of landing scum.

IMO a no lynch is a bad idea. Town should lynch every day. By lynching, we are at least getting information

This feels like coaching to me. Does the thread say anything about scum having day talk? I doubt it as most time that is not normal. I also get a hint of stuffiness coming from this post, it's like a robotic answer that should come from town.

[Formerfish]

Think Lynch is a thing. People should get on board this. He is scummy on his own, and the associative links we could make are going to be fun.

[Formerfish]

What do you see in Think that's town, or conversely which of those 3 do you have any sort of case on. Finally, you got enough juice to run those guys down in 4 days with each of them sitting at a max of 2 votes?

[Formerfish]

Gamma, NN either of you guys care to dance?

[Formerfish]

Grey, first, gamma is a big boy and can fight his own battles. Second, please don't get in the way of my hunting. If he is town then I will figure that out on my own.

Gamma, I'm inviting you to engage with me in a discussion of your views of the game state and anything else that comes up.

[Formerfish]

Top 3 town reads and why?

Top 3 scum reads and why?

[Formerfish]

Well this is awkward now. I feel like I got all dolled up for the sock hop and now can't find a girl to have as arm candy.

[Formerfish]

Do you have reasons for anyone or are we going gut on all those?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: unvote

[Formerfish]

Vax- Gamma is scum because of early game interaction I read as off and the fact that she voted vedith for role fishing knowing that it was a joke between two people who just played a game very similar where the person in question was in fact the cop in that game. That comes off as scum parking a vote on some bullshit.

It was RVS so I decided to leave the vote.

This doesn't make sense to me. We were obviously out of RVS during the time you had your vote parked on him. And it's awfully convenient that the person you had an RVS vote somehow became your real vote based off some shit you obviously knew about from prior game experience. See below:

Mod you have many missing names in the VC

VOTE: Vedith
I am Town and you should all trust me that this is scum.

RVS vote.

Vedith is rolefishing, vote him.

This is when your vote became serious, even though what he was doing would be incredibly stupid from either side of the aisle.

LOL
I get it

This is a response to someone mentioning the game you all played (or they played) that would bring everyone in on the joke. This shows that you had prior knowledge of what was being discussed but still saw it as scummy regardless.

I don't imagine anybody would out themselves to potential scum just cause he's asking nicely. Maybe these two have a history together that I don't know of.

They do.

Again acknowledging the fact that you were aware of the history, and more than likely knew why the cop question was a joke.

I don't get how LQ can figure that type of thing from such a minor interaction. It's mainly just a reference to a previous game, I think they'd make it anyway if they were scum together.

If they would make that joke regardless of alignment then what do you have? A non-alignment indicative statement. Yet your vote it still on him.

It still feels like rolefishing, so it's an okay vote. I understand the joke but until Vedith towns up a bit I'm still considering that a bit scummy.

Not impressed by TB. He seems to be pushing Cheesy on play he knows is the player's town play.
VOTE: ThinkBig

230 posts later you switch votes. During that span you barely mentioned Vedith, and when you did you mentioned he was just a troll and when someone asked how he and cheesy towned something up you replied with how did they act scummy. With your real vote still sitting on him.

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

[Formerfish]

@Fish: I still didn't have anyone I felt neede voting until TB, and I felt that my reasoning on the Vedith vote wasn't completely idiotic, so I left it until I found a better vote.

I don't get how LQ can figure that type of thing from such a minor interaction. It's mainly just a reference to a previous game, I think they'd make it anyway if they were scum together.

You could have put pressure here since you clearly thought that Lickety was making mountains out of molehills.

VOTE: thinkbig

I feel like post 70 is them egging lickety on to go after realeo.

That feels like a reach.

Or here for what you think is a weak reason to vote someone.

And you had a bit of a run with realeo as well, could have put it there.
Again I feel like it was an easy place for you to park your vote based on a bullshit reason. It reads scummy to me.

[Formerfish]

Top 3 town
Grey, Cheesy, tojam
Top 3 scum
TB, Vax, LQ
had this completed but got sidetracked

Do you have reasons for anyone or are we going gut on all those?

You know its never nice to leave your date at the dance for another person. Unless you are more comfortable with that person because you know they are your scum buddy and you can curl up next to them and snuggle.

[Formerfish]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

Does something being brought back up have a significance towards alignment? Cause I found these oddly out of place when i did my read through.

@gamma

Maybe, but I feel like lickety is the type of player (they said themselves that they were firing from the hip i think) that scum could use for distractions/blame later for a mislynch. So I'm interested in how others interact with him.

Explain to me exactly what type of player you think I am.

Thinkbig/cheesy/realeo

Sounds fair.

I don't see ThinkingBig as mafia for the moment.

How do these posts relate?

I think our differences come from the fact I have experience mostly in real life mafia where interactions are different and you get instant feedback from everybody. It's difficult to adjust.

AtE

[Formerfish]

Top 3 town
Grey, Cheesy, tojam
Top 3 scum
TB, Vax, LQ
had this completed but got sidetracked

Do you have reasons for anyone or are we going gut on all those?

You know its never nice to leave your date at the dance for another person. Unless you are more comfortable with that person because you know they are your scum buddy and you can curl up next to them and snuggle.

They all have reasons. Which ones are you curious about?

All of them.

Is this your first game? Shit, is this the first time someone has ever asked you a question in real life? I asked for your top 3 reads on both sides and reasons for both. You are being evasive and I am about to ask the judge for the right to treat you as a hostile witness. Now please stop beating around the bush and answer a direct question.

[Formerfish]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

That's rather obvious. I missed it earlier and Gamma brought it back up

VOTE: LQ

My scumread on you has been building and I'm pretty happy lynching here today.

Reasons, k?

I knew you were going to ask that!

Why would I want my Scum read to know why I am Scumreading them?

What is your point here, darling?

This is strike number 2 for Lickety in my book. The first was that other time where he laid out a town read then took it back for one reason, and they did the same to me for the opposite. Scum tend to flap whichever way the wind is going at that point.

[Formerfish]

LQ, who's scum?

Not sure. There are a lot of underplaying decent players in this game. Some sly characters here.

Comments like this is why you're scum.

I'd you thought there were underplaying decent characters, you'd be pissed at them for not playing optimally.

Instead, you are saying they are playing very well (Sly characters) yet "underplaying".

You're teaching for what you think town wants to hear and stumbling over yourself.

Nice accusation. Clearly you will not be NKed if I am lynched.

Is this for in case your lynch goes through your buddies will know not to kill Grey to drive us nuts with WIFOM?

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Doesn't matter, he's not being lynched today.

If he's town, scum will kill either him or me. Whomever scum doesn't kill gets sorted tomorrow.

Trust me, I get that (notice I had already unvoted). I just wanted to make sure to point out the inconsistencies with his reasoning when he remains alive tomorrow.

[Formerfish]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

Does something being brought back up have a significance towards alignment? Cause I found these oddly out of place when i did my read through.

@gamma

Maybe, but I feel like lickety is the type of player (they said themselves that they were firing from the hip i think) that scum could use for distractions/blame later for a mislynch. So I'm interested in how others interact with him.

Explain to me exactly what type of player you think I am.

Thinkbig/cheesy/realeo

Sounds fair.

I don't see ThinkingBig as mafia for the moment.

How do these posts relate?

I think our differences come from the fact I have experience mostly in real life mafia where interactions are different and you get instant feedback from everybody. It's difficult to adjust.

AtE

I give you credit for not Town reading me just because I am voting Gamma. This is why I think you are Town.

To be clear, its because I am a huge fan of bussing on day 1 as scum. There is so much room to make it seem like you are scum hunting on someone you know has no chance of being rung up. And for the record, thats like the 3rd time you've given me towncred. Please leave some of the d for the rest of the group.

[Formerfish]

beating around the bush

Heh heh

Heh heh heh

I was going to go with pussy footing, but I didn't want to run the risk of offending anyones delicate sensibilities.

[Formerfish]

I am not town reading Cheesy/Realo(Realo's replacement?) and Vedith/Vedith's replacement) as well as Gamma.

Light town read on Arona too.

I love having 10 pages to work with - it gives me a chance at a birds eye view of the game (similar to replacing in but not exact).

I think LQ is scum.

VOTE: LQ

No recent VC so I have no idea where that puts him (I saw L-2 earlier? So I'm assuming it's not hammer).

Are you always this reckless with your votes? You haven't seen a recent vc, yet you vote him anyways even though it could be l-2, l-1, hammer vote, or even put him in close enough position to have someone else vote him "oooppsss by acccident" and then we have a whole other can of WIFOM to choke down.

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

Its a trade. If TB is Scum, then they can trade a confirmed Town for a living Mafia. It also muddles the field for late game.

What? Who becomes the confirmed town in this situation?

[Formerfish]

IME, scum tends to be more careful about vote placement than town anyway, so that's null.

That's true to a point, but its not a hard rule. Scum can make use of confusion and lack of vc's to place some shitty votes that we then have to analyze to death to figure out if he was stupid, or scum.

[Formerfish]

Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.

Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.

In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push

In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics

Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.

Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, Grey. I tend to see it as a bit more of a scum tell myself, only for the fact that I feel like a town member I make sure to not do anything stupid that would hurt the town. So I would make extra sure to know where people were in the vcs. As scum I am the kind of person who would make a stupid vote knowing that I am about to talk my way out of it when it comes time.

[Formerfish]

Ok, but either way that scenario plays out there is an endgame to it that will come quickly. If the cop scumposter clears a scum buddy, as soon as the fake cop dies we will know. Also, if the fake cop guilt's a townie and we lynch him, scum dies for sure next day.

[Formerfish]

Or, he whiteknights a townie, gets cred and we all die at endgame

[Formerfish]

How is Thinks claim confirmable?

[Formerfish]

How is Thinks claim confirmable?

If he claims a guilty, lynch the guilty and he's confirmed when they flip.

If he claims an inno, lynch TB (he's VT anyway) and the inno is confirmed town when he flips cop.

Ok, i was just making sure you meant in the future, and not something right now.

Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.

Son, if you are an actual cop do you see yourself living through the night?

Ok, but either way that scenario plays out there is an endgame to it that will come quickly. If the cop scumposter clears a scum buddy, as soon as the fake cop dies we will know. Also, if the fake cop guilt's a townie and we lynch him, scum dies for sure next day.

This logic is faulty. Scum could declare an inno on a townie just so they get MLed for this logic.

No, that is good game play. The best thing scum can do is muddy the waters so much that we have us all chasing each others tails. How is that done? By doing things that are counter intuitive towards what their powers are.

What does in general mean?
As for the low tactics I'll point that out.

It means do you town read them for those pushes in general, like the fact that they happened at all, or for specifics reasons based on those pushes.

[Formerfish]

There's exactly 0 reason for me to be bussing right there.

Hes saying hes scum with someone else.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I know, nn30 is syaing it.

He's trying to get nn30 with a "gotcha" moment.

You think Vax is scum because he alluded to the fact that nn30 could have been saying that he's not bussing as scum, because the person with might not have been his partner. Normally someone would say something about being town and voting for scum, not calling it bussing. And this is scum hunting dog. He is trying to catch nn in a lie/inconsistency/slip. So you are scum reading him for doing something good for the town?

[Formerfish]

nn had already "slipped" at that point, Vax was just pointing it out.

[Formerfish]

nn didnt say "if i were scum my meta would suggest that this is not a situation where I would bus."

he said, "i have 0 reason to bus right now."

thats the slip, if it is one.

ninja: Again, this is day 1 and people do make mistakes. Am i saying lets get the rope right now? No, saying that Vax isn't scum for that interaction.

ninja 2: you have more reasons on your list to distrust Think, and his claim is scummy as hell, but he is the one that you want to walk back on?

[Formerfish]

He's living for today, if he is cop we have to force scum to kill him tonight. We deal with him and his wifom tomorrow if he is around.

[Formerfish]

Scum pick the power roles, they know which ones are in the game and which ones aren't. This allows for fake claims for two of the mafia guys free from the fear of being cced.

This is basic mafia theory here.

[Formerfish]

He's living for today, if he is cop we have to force scum to kill him tonight. We deal with him and his wifom tomorrow if he is around.

So you think the same thing as me but have the gall to push me for it?

I've already said he is living today. Where exactly am I pushing you for the same idea?

[Formerfish]

See thats where you are wrong. I still think he is scum, but you don't lynch claimed power roles on the off chance they are running some kind of gambit. If he is the cop then he will die anyways, why do scums work for them? I am attacking your logic because you have the most evidence in your opinion for him to be scum, yet you walk back on him.

[Formerfish]

Not getting lynched today: Fish, Grey, Cheesy, Titus, Vax, Think, and culted.

People who i could lynch Gamma, Lickety, and nn30.

The others I don't care enough about yet.

[Formerfish]

Its nothing personal, you just rolled scum this game. I get it.

[Formerfish]

I'm joking around. Your reads don't seem that bad tbqh

[Formerfish]

Vax

Also, if he were scum he had an opportunity to get on the Think wagon at l-1 without any residual issues.

I'm not going to go any further with that right now. Do you have a case youd like to present?

[Formerfish]

It was right before you said i should feel bad about my culted read.

[Formerfish]

How the fuck does Lickety have over 250 posts? Its because of that shit that my head hurt during my readthrough.

ninja: Nope.

[Formerfish]

Lickety, you know you are now going to die today for that comment right?

(Random- some chick just won 96,860 on wheel of fortune)

[Formerfish]

I would kill Lickety for a vc right now.

[Formerfish]

Aero

[Formerfish]

HOLY FUCK THIS BLEW UP.

tl;dr pls? :3

Wait this revived, reading now/in the morning

Thats my bad guys. I feel like I got some good shit in there though. Have fun.

[Formerfish]

Think, scum hunt man. You are not the threads concierge. Everytime someone replaces in you are the first to greet them. Anytime someone has a question technically about the game you answer. Scum hunt if you are town.

[Formerfish]

Lickety, explain why you called for a CC to the cop if there is one?

[Formerfish]

Lickety, explain why you called for a CC to the cop if there is one?

Because at this point with the content created in this short time, a person who is lurking who is waiting to see how things play out needs to make an affirmative action soonish to clear things up with a simple "I am Cop." It will clear the air and give us something new to talk about.

So you want the real cop, if there is one, to cc the fake claim, so we lynch the fake claim and the real cop gets nked n1? What the fuck is this shit?

[Formerfish]

No. Just so much no. (ninja, this is to lickety.)

Im planning on putting Lickety at l-1. So heads up.

[Formerfish]

Grey soft claimed first, and then Think hard claimed without much provocation.

Snark, how do you feel about Think being at l-2 when he makes his first post of the day saying he'll be back later, then he says "oh shit, im at l-2, imma claim"

[Formerfish]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

First post at 1030 am

I'm on the train headed home. Since I am at L2, I am going to go ahead and claim: I am the 1-shot cop.

Two posts later at 430pm

Nothing changed inbetween those posts that would have upped the need to claim.

[Formerfish]

That doesn't answer the question snark.

How do you feel about Think posting at 1030 am saying he would fight the case later, while sitting at l-2. Then 6 hours later, after not posting anything else he comes in and says that since he is at l-2 he'll claim.

[Formerfish]

And you are pushing this as hard as you are probably because you know that you guys, you know the scum team, didn't pick the cop to be a town role in this game. So in effect you are calling out someone who probably doesnt exist so you can point at that and say see no one came out as the cop, this guy must be real.

Its a bullshit play and its not going to work. I am going to put lickety at l- at 1030, do what you will til then.

[Formerfish]

Snark, dont think the fact that when lickety becomes a legit wagon you come out of the wood work to defend him and throw shade elsewhere.

[Formerfish]

is going unnoticed, (i did it afuckinggain)

[Formerfish]

That was directed at Snark.

[Formerfish]

You know what rule I usually follow, YOU DONT LYNCH UNCONFIRMED, UNCCED CLAIMS DAY 1.

[Formerfish]

Grey, do you think that scum would be so brazen to defend their scumbuddy on day 1? Are we looking at scum theater, or svt for towncred?

And again, if scum knows that no one is going to cc the claim, BECAUSE WE FUCKING CANT IF THEY DIDNT PICK THAT ROLE FOR US, then what do we do?

[Formerfish]

Titus, should I be worried that you haven't said hello? All those times we had together...

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Grey

This isn't OMGUS.

If you were the real cop, why did you start going after LQ after I claimed? You should have continued to go after me. After all, if you

were

the cop, then my claim should have been a scum claim to you. By not cc'ing immediately, you have shown that you're scum.

Think, the answer to this should be obvious man.

[Formerfish]

Jesus, did things go downhill here for talent after I left or fucking what. If he softed a role that you later claim, then he

knows

you are scum regardless of what happens. It leaves him free to go after the people who are defending you so that on day 2 when he flips cop, we come after your ass and we have a good chance of taking out another scumbag on day 1.

[Formerfish]

Titus, at what point in the thread did you start reading?

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, I do not want a repeat of that game.

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, I do not want a repeat of that game.

To be fair, that was the game that made me coin townbeard. The guy you tunnelled wrong picked town over scum 8 times, and was town. I was convinced 2 scum. I cannot blame you, but don't let ego bother you.

@LQ, I would grab video but out at dinner.

@Grey, Let me finish dinner.

Well, I am glad that something positive came out of that game. I think it was a huge factor in the sabbatical i took.

[Formerfish]

Yeah, I have a good idea of what that was. We'll see how that goes when I start putting it into action.

[Formerfish]

This guy

[Formerfish]

Wo is FF?

FF=Formerfish. Have you been paying attention?

Think, you are doing it again man...

[Formerfish]

I am down to vote whenever. I was giving Titus some room to do what she does.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Vote:Think

[Formerfish]

Lickety, have you played with Titus before?

[Formerfish]

I know he doesn't show as logged in, but anyone shoot the mod a message?

[Formerfish]

Just curious, was that before or after you self-hammered?

[Formerfish]

Wagons are the first thing they test you in newbie land, and then in the real game you figure out quickly what is acceptable and what is not. In no way shape or form is it acceptable for an actual cop to self hammer. Period.

[Formerfish]

Damn, son, take that offer now.

[Formerfish]

Titus, did you see that cheesy is The_Jester?

[Formerfish]

Not necessarily, but knowing the main behind the alt could help if it was unknown.

[Formerfish]

We all did.

[Formerfish]

Did you guys know that having to constantly clear your throat could be a sign of acid reflux, and is treatable by doctor? Man google is amazing.

[Formerfish]

He fell right into my medical facts gambit!

[Formerfish]

You'll get better with more scum rolls.

[Formerfish]

This was my first time playing scum.

Hey, guess what? Playing as Scum is about getting X amount of Townies lynched. Remember that.

That is true. And partially why I claimed cop. It prevents there from being too many confirmed townies.

I think this soft clears me. Anyone else think so?

Oh hell no lol.

You know, I think now would be a good time to tell us if you were just pulling a gambit or not.

What the fuck are you on about?

[Formerfish]

Were you scum in that game Lick?

[Formerfish]

That is to much reading.

[Formerfish]

I was hoping to see a flip here before I had to go, but it looks like that isn't coming quickly...

[Formerfish]

I just like the finality of the day ending.

[Formerfish]

Thats how it was on gamefaqs where i started.

[Formerfish]

True story. I don't think i ever used that site for its intended purpose

[Formerfish]

Alright, while this has been amazing, I must bid you all a fond farewell. I hope to see you in the proverbial morning.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Lickety

Also, well fucking done Grey.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Lickety

Also, well fucking done Grey.

Why the anger?

No anger, I was being serious. He did an excellent job yesterday drawing the night kill which allowed the real cop to get a result and put us in a much better position than we should have been in.

Titus, how stuck are you on Tojam?

[Formerfish]

I knew enough to trust what you guys were doing without questioning it. And true. I have what I feel like is a pretty solid case against Lickety.

[Formerfish]

This is the outline, I can expand on anything in there:

Lickety case:
Heavy defense of ThinkBig
Advocated for SS policy lynch
996- he calls the push on SS a mislynch, then ebwop in 997 to say policy lynch, then after you start to spam the thread with music videos. Maybe trying to put some distance from a post that should have been more damaging if more people were on.
Calls someone out for bringing up old posts, then out of nowhere he starts rehashing old shit posts. Refuses to give reasons for his scum read on someone, and then asks someone to explain their read on him (2x). Quick turn in my situation too.
Pissing match with Grey (aka the conftown guy)
1137- coaching his scum partners in case he got lynched.
Buddying up to me.
1196-
Repeatedly calls for someone to cc the fake cop, is this because he knows that Think was lying and wanted the real cop to out themselves?
1268
965 never takes risks, 1292 says risk is NAI.
1383- Third cop claim?!?
1513- nows the time to admit to a gambit? Really? You said you did it before on another site, and I asked if you were scum in that game. Instead of just answering you linked me to a game from another site with no context whatsoever. It was a simple question, did you ask that question in the game you linked as scum or as town?

[Formerfish]

the mislynch comment in 996 is one that kills me. I was in the middle of my read through, Lickety, Grey and Aron were on at the time. Lickety said it, Aron commented on it, and then they spammed the thread with music videos.

[Formerfish]

He may shoot you, but over a claimed cop?

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, like I said, I have enough faith in you to not push.

Thoughts on my case?

[Formerfish]

He could totally be scum. I have him as a weak associative tell based on 1069, ill quote the post next.

[Formerfish]

Grey is either the best scum player or Realeo was as bad as I said.

I'm not really seeing a lot about TB these past few, pages, has it been given up on? Maybe it's best to do a no-lynch based on the low chance of landing scum.

IMO a no lynch is a bad idea. Town should lynch every day. By lynching, we are at least getting information

This feels like coaching to me. Does the thread say anything about scum having day talk? I doubt it as most time that is not normal. I also get a hint of stuffiness coming from this post, it's like a robotic answer that should come from town.

[Formerfish]

V/LA from Friday to Sunday, going places for the holidays

Odd, I thought today was thursday. Fuck, it is. Care to play while youre here?

[Formerfish]

Come on Gamma.

You have 3 votes out of the gate, a case on one of them, and all you can muster is that youll be away over christmas?

[Formerfish]

Be more specific

[Formerfish]

Aron, while we are talking, explain why you hand waved away Lickety calling a push on SS a mislynch.

Ninja: I could point to any of them. He defended Think tooth and nail, refused to vote him even at the end and it was scummy as hell. I would have to go back and actually find specific examples, but shit did you find Lickety town after that whole mess?

[Formerfish]

@lickety

So, how intent are you on pursuing a PL on day one?

Well, I think day one is the ONLY day to push a mislynch.

I am disappointed people are resistant to the idea. This needs to be done IMHO.

I'm just going to ignore that typo

[Formerfish]

Grey, do you think that scum would be so brazen to defend their scumbuddy on day 1? Are we looking at scum theater, or svt for towncred?

And again, if scum knows that no one is going to cc the claim, BECAUSE WE FUCKING CANT IF THEY DIDNT PICK THAT ROLE FOR US, then what do we do?

Aron, are you talking about this post? Cause that is a question towards a specific person, and it was more broad that you are making it out to be.

[Formerfish]

I'm at work right now, so forgive me if I don't do this myself. Could someone refresh me on what specifically a chainsaw defense is.

And did anyone else feel like Lickety was defending Think, or am I alone in this?

[Formerfish]

Shit posting. I'm putting this here for later.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... aw_Defense

[Formerfish]

Well we all know if Titus pushes this lynch, she's scum. I can prove my innocence any time I need.

No we don't all know this. Only you know this. And cases can be made against town people regardless of the alignment of the person making the case. It could just mean you are not playing well. Play better, hunt scum and help the town. That way even if you are scum no one really cares until later when we are hunting the last one out there. That's why bussing is a thing.

[Formerfish]

NN, I was confused by that. Are you saying that because you didn't direct a quote to Lickety that he shouldnt respond to it?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: nn30

[Formerfish]

Wehlp. That backfired.

All right Formerfish, why are you scum reading me? I trust your views on the game but not enough to self vote.

P-edit yarp

I voted you for saying scumboi. I have other reasons to, but that's why I voted you when I did. I dunno, maybe I am a vengeful God, akin to the old testament, that wants to test my subjects good and bad alike.

[Formerfish]

This is the outline, I can expand on anything in there:

Lickety case:
Heavy defense of ThinkBig
Advocated for SS policy lynch
996- he calls the push on SS a mislynch, then ebwop in 997 to say policy lynch, then after you start to spam the thread with music videos. Maybe trying to put some distance from a post that should have been more damaging if more people were on.
Calls someone out for bringing up old posts, then out of nowhere he starts rehashing old shit posts. Refuses to give reasons for his scum read on someone, and then asks someone to explain their read on him (2x). Quick turn in my situation too.
Pissing match with Grey (aka the conftown guy)
1137- coaching his scum partners in case he got lynched.
Buddying up to me.
1196-
Repeatedly calls for someone to cc the fake cop, is this because he knows that Think was lying and wanted the real cop to out themselves?
1268
965 never takes risks, 1292 says risk is NAI.
1383- Third cop claim?!?
1513- nows the time to admit to a gambit? Really? You said you did it before on another site, and I asked if you were scum in that game. Instead of just answering you linked me to a game from another site with no context whatsoever. It was a simple question, did you ask that question in the game you linked as scum or as town?

Bravo on this case mate.

Thanks, too bad it was off base. I had a pretty strong town read on you during my read through, then something happened and all I could see was scum. Glad to have you with us though than against us, I have a feeling you are a hard person to lynch as scum.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Lickety

Also, well fucking done Grey.

Why the anger?

V/LA from Friday to Sunday, going places for the holidays

Sorry, I have obligations currently, need to be on the lookout for something.
I trust Titus wrt LQ.

Grey, apologies for the misread. I still don't understand why you had to soft like that, but in the end that play worked out great.

I'm waiting, in the meanwhile, for Titus plan to play out a bit. Content from me towards end of day.

Hmmm...
I don't like this. Seems like he's trying to play it safe.
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I'm at work right now, so forgive me if I don't do this myself. Could someone refresh me on what specifically a chainsaw defense is.

And did anyone else feel like Lickety was defending Think, or am I alone in this?

I know what LQ did and it was scummy, but I believe LQ is town still.

Why?

Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

This is what I figured was the case. Grey had softed that as a target and your calling him town early made it pretty obvious.

Town: Formerfish, Titus, arona, LQ

I'm also 100% positive there's at least 1 town (and likely only 1) between Gamma and tojam2.
And I think there's pretty high likelyhood of 1 scum being between Gamma and culted.

Gamma's flip would give me the most info but I don't wanna lynch him atm. I'm fine with lynching anybody not on my townlist atm.

VOTE: nn30

pedit great minds etc etc

Why do you say this?

LQ, care to share with the class what all these quotes mean?

Also, I suggest the third PR NOT out, as a JK outing is bad.

whatgameisthatquotefrom

Gamma do you believe there were no scumpartners on TB's lynch wagon?

TB's lynch wagon was after a CC. That nullifies VCA IMO.

The kill checks out.

No, you were the cop check. Killing you would have given a useless clear.

I am good with my scum read on nn30, and I think that the last will be in Gamma due to his posts form today. Take a look at his iso for just this day phase. There is a lot of inromation out there that needs to be sorted and I don't see anything even resembling analysis, just useless posts.

I think the one that sticks out the most to me is #1696- "The kill checks out." Like what the fuck is this even? Of course the kill checks out. Do you think that the vig is stupid enough to be like "shit this guy cced a guy who ended up being scum. He must be his partner." And do you think scum would just let him live as the cop to get us his result? The post is useless and is just made to look active.

Ninja: I swear I am a cute and cuddly guy when it comes to my townreads, and the tone I use with my scum reads has been carefully cultivated to suss out my reads better. While I have you here, thoughts on Gamma today?

[Formerfish]

Sorry for what Titus, checking me? I need it now and then. My brother used to be around to do it but we stopped about the same time.

[Formerfish]

I didn't mean check as in copped, I meant as in put in my place. I thought it was in reference to before when you told me to play nice with the newbies.

[Formerfish]

And it makes sense. You get to see where my head is at and what I am looking at to see if it was a legit train of thought, and you get to see how other people react to me and my case.

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, I guess as an IC you have the right to play whatever way you want because you know eventually it won't matter.

I would ask that we allow for some time for the town block to discuss the way to move forward with the day before we hammer anyone.

[Formerfish]

And no, I'm not including myself in that town block as of right now because I haven't been cleared.

[Formerfish]

Fair enough, I guess as an IC you have the right to play whatever way you want because you know eventually it won't matter.

I would ask that we allow for some time for the town block to discuss the way to move forward with the day before we hammer anyone.

We lynch in the box, anywhere but you.
We vig in the box, anywhere but you.

Easy.

Good deal.

[Formerfish]

So now that that is all settled, let's get some more votes on nn30.

[Formerfish]

Low Access over Christmas/ New Year, can we have a thread lockout on Christmas day?

You could vote for scum, and end this day within 12 hours and then we'd have our night phase past Christmas and no one would have to worry about activity.

tl;dr vote nn30.

[Formerfish]

Am I the only asshole on here that uses mafia as an excuse to

not

spend time with people around the holidays?

[Formerfish]

Lickety I'm quickly coming to like you.

[Formerfish]

So, putting together a bed I bought of Craigslist for my daughter's Christmas present. This is fun.

[Formerfish]

I got a really good deal on it so I got her a queen size
She's only 3, but it was $165 for everything.

[Formerfish]

$165 for over 400 worth of stuff, a twin would have been $125, and I have a lot of family over from out of state. It's a win win win scenario. Very rarely does something go like that for me. And God knows I need it right now.

[Formerfish]

Just finished. It was not put together correctly at all to begin with and had to redo most of it. I was only missing 1 screw and have an ikea in Pittsburgh so I feel I could go there and ask for a screw. Does anyone object to me posting a picture in thread? I'll give everyone 3 minutes to answer

[Formerfish]

I kinda feel like we are in twilight, because its just a matter of time that nn gets lynched, so I don't feel to bad about posting these here, ill hide them though:

Spoiler:

[Formerfish]

Thank you. I feel like I'm winning Christmas (long story).

[Formerfish]

Ahem.

Innocent Child

Welcome, #NAME. You are the

Town Innocent Child

.

Win Condition

You win when all mafiosi have been eliminated and at least one town player lives.

Abilities

At any time during the game, you may

PM the moderator

to have your role announced, thus confirming you as town.

---

Low Access over Christmas/ New Year, can we have a thread lockout on Christmas day?

No thread lockout; however, all prod countdowns will be extended 24 hours if they coincide with December 25 in any time zone.

I love the "Ahem" by the way, thank you mod.

[Formerfish]

Vote Count 2.2

nn30:

Titus, Formerfish, aronagrundy (L-3)

aronagrundy:

culted (L-5)

SnarkySnowman:

Gamma Emerald (L-5)

Cheesy:

LicketyQuickety (L-5)

Not voting:

tojam2, SnarkySnowman, nn30, Cheesy

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2017-01-05 00:42:00).

Cheesy votes for nn30, which puts him at l-2.
Snark, tojam, lickety, gamma, and culted. Come on. Vote nn30 and let us be on our way to a fucking scummy award here.

[Formerfish]

l-1.

We just need a hammer.

Come on Snark, lickety, gamma and culted.

[Formerfish]

Ok, so we have LQ Titus SS and Toejam as conftown.

Gamma nn30 looks good to me as the scumteam.

FF is saying a lot in a hard spot, so i will pencil him in as town temporarily.

For posterity sake.