Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[LicketyQuickety]

Too deep 4 U.

[LicketyQuickety]

Titus, Realeo is almost confirmed scum, please comment on that

The fuck snarky is in this game?

For a while now, yeah.

I find this fishy of Culted honestly.

Why?

Earlier they were paying really close attention to the thread. This now that they didn't know you were in the game is not a good look.

[LicketyQuickety]

Eh, I'm easy to miss

Then that's YOUR problem not anyone else's.

[LicketyQuickety]

Point is I disagree that it's fishy culted forgot about me

Then we have a difference of opinion. And yours hinges on yourself playing shitty.

[LicketyQuickety]

Cheesy+LQ is your vote on Titus a park?

Why the hell are you assuming I would even categorize my vote that way?!?!

[LicketyQuickety]

@Vaxkiller, how do you read me currently?

[LicketyQuickety]

Titus, Realeo is almost confirmed scum, please comment on that

The fuck snarky is in this game?

For a while now, yeah.

I find this fishy of Culted honestly.

What makes this fishy for you?

It was discussed.

[LicketyQuickety]

Saw that after posting. Thanks.

I don't find it fishy. I missed Snarky too for a while...

I don't feel like we're getting very far right now.

My town list:

LQ - Early game interactions with me + general behavior.
Cheesy - I came around. Still gut and I wish he'd hunt more but *shrug*
Vedith/Titus - Primarily for the sub out. I don't think scum actually subs out in this scenario. Ftr I don't like Titus' play since subbing in but the sub out is strong enough in my mind that this slot is still townie

Everyone else is just a blur. We've done nothing but shit post this game and it's not helping me get any reads.

VOTE: Arona

In 100 words or less, why are you town Arona?

yes, too many people are just a blur, I agree 100%.

I actually don't mind this vote at all.

[LicketyQuickety]

Blah. Seems like I killed the game by voting LQ scum. Sorry.

I almost want you to lynch me so that you can see how wrong you are on my game. Will be sweet when I am actually Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

I find this fishy of Culted honestly.

What if I told you I was in a lot of games?

Then I would ask when those games started.

[LicketyQuickety]

Can you expand on that?

Scum hunting the new slot. these two are not teamed.

[LicketyQuickety]

Can you expand on that?

Scum hunting the new slot. these two are not teamed.

As Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

SS just sucks at this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

He has about 1 exchange each day he posts.

And they are not even good posts!

PeregrineV also plays a lurky playstyle, but he is actually good at the game.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I can get a sensible reads list from Snarky, I'll move on.

WRONG!

pardoning a player for doing X action when it can be faked, is a really poor way to play.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I can get a sensible reads list from Snarky, I'll move on.

WRONG!

pardoning a player for doing X action when it can be faked, is a really poor way to play.

Hanging onto poor logic when it has been shown to be incorrect is an even worse way to play.

Not necessarily. It could mean the method of logic is not accepted and that is all.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I can get a sensible reads list from Snarky, I'll move on.

WRONG!

pardoning a player for doing X action when it can be faked, is a really poor way to play.

Hanging onto poor logic when it has been shown to be incorrect is an even worse way to play.

Not necessarily. It could mean the method of logic is not accepted and that is all.

You're not making any sense.

I get that a lot.

I made an assertion that was proven wrong. I adjusted my read based on new evidence and asked for a reads list to hold the player to in order to move my vote.

You thinking SS is going to provide a reads list? LOL

Had I insisted that my read was correct despite being proven wrong, I'd have justifiably been accused of tunneling.

And here I thought we were talking in generalities. You can get lynched.

[LicketyQuickety]

You thinking SS is going to provide a reads list? LOL

If he wants my vote to move, yes. I still have a case on him besides the sudden activity issue that he needs to address, and providing reads does that.

LOL @U

And here I thought we were talking in generalities. You can get lynched.

Not this game. I'm fated to be NKed.[/quote]

I'd like to see that actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

You thinking SS is going to provide a reads list? LOL

If he wants my vote to move, yes. I still have a case on him besides the sudden activity issue that he needs to address, and providing reads does that.

LOL @U

And here I thought we were talking in generalities. You can get lynched.

Not this game. I'm fated to be NKed.

I'd like to see that actually.

EBWOP.

[LicketyQuickety]

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

PL

[LicketyQuickety]

Right, they said the argument could be either TvT or TvS, but their most recent post seems to discount the possibility of TvT.

Just based on the ISO of the two, I lean more towards svt than tvt. In the event real flips town (which I would be surprised) then the next most probable scenario is Vedith/cheesy. The interaction between cheesy and Vedith seemed like scum buddies trying to distance.

Since you'd be surprised if I flip town, and suspect my slot's interaction with Vedith is SvT, that tells me that you townread Vedith.

This doesn't jibe with your assertion that Vedith and Cheesy look like distancing scum. If you honestly felt that way, you'd be voting one of them and calling me town.

VOTE: ThinkBig

[LicketyQuickety]

Use your words.

Why? That's not fun at all.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hi guys. What should I know before I start my read through?

First: Don't give it away if you are a PR.
Second: Scum hunt.
Third: Lynch Sum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hi guys. What should I know before I start my read through?

First: Don't give it away if you are a PR.
Second: Scum hunt.
Third: Lynch Sum.

Sorry, I wasn't asking you to explain how to play mafia. I know you guys don't know me, but that's only because I've been gone for awhile.

I am asking about this game specifically.

Took a break from

this

site, huh?

[LicketyQuickety]

You need to know that I am Town.

You need to know that the replacements have been weird this game.

You need to be aware that activity does not = Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nah, I stepped away from the game man. I flew to close to the sun and I crashed.

I've been there. I'm glad you took the slot and I'm glad you're back.

[LicketyQuickety]

Right, they said the argument could be either TvT or TvS, but their most recent post seems to discount the possibility of TvT.

Just based on the ISO of the two, I lean more towards svt than tvt. In the event real flips town (which I would be surprised) then the next most probable scenario is Vedith/cheesy. The interaction between cheesy and Vedith seemed like scum buddies trying to distance.

Since you'd be surprised if I flip town, and suspect my slot's interaction with Vedith is SvT, that tells me that you townread Vedith.

This doesn't jibe with your assertion that Vedith and Cheesy look like distancing scum. If you honestly felt that way, you'd be voting one of them and calling me town.

VOTE: ThinkBig

Logical inconsistencies are indicative of fabricated reads.

That is complete and utter bullshit!

[LicketyQuickety]

That is complete and utter bullshit!

I was wondering when you'd get around to clarifying your previous response to my case.

Do go on, explain how it's bullshit. I'm all ears.

Some people make

apparent] inconsistencies and that has nothing to do with a fabricated read or not. And for the record I am not necessarily questioning the conclusion of your read but the reasoning behind it and you overall general philosophy of the way to get reads. I am challenging you on your reliability to get reads based on Occam's Razor rather than giving hint to subtleties the game offers in psychology. Your read on TB has nothing to do with my comment.

Such a simple and straightforward use of logic to judge the game is demonstrative that you have no idea how to figure things out for yourself. This is not a black and white game - there are few if any tells that work every time. This game is about reading motive and not judging opinions as they lay. To neglect the intermingling of use of language and intentions is a grave neglect to the subtlety of this game IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

That is complete and utter bullshit!

I was wondering when you'd get around to clarifying your previous response to my case.

Do go on, explain how it's bullshit. I'm all ears.

Some people make

apparent

inconsistencies and that has nothing to do with a fabricated read or not. And for the record I am not necessarily questioning the conclusion of your read but the reasoning behind it and you overall general philosophy of the way to get reads. I am challenging you on your reliability to get reads based on Occam's Razor rather than giving hint to subtleties the game offers in psychology. Your read on TB has nothing to do with my comment.

Such a simple and straightforward use of logic to judge the game is demonstrative that you have no idea how to figure things out for yourself. This is not a black and white game - there are few if any tells that work every time. This game is about reading motive and not judging opinions as they lay. To neglect the intermingling of use of language and intentions is a grave neglect to the subtlety of this game IMO.

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ, waht policy did snarky break?

For anyone that doesn't know me, I Hate policy lynches. I would have a PL against PL's if I could.

Because:

1) he is not active
2) his content is sub-par
3) he never takes risks
4) he has not demonstrated that he can be read.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nothing in that post compels me to recalibrate my read on ThinkBig.

His convoluted logic doesn't come from a town mindset, it comes from scum trying to sound town.

Then why didn't you say THAT in the first place?

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ, waht policy did snarky break?

For anyone that doesn't know me, I Hate policy lynches. I would have a PL against PL's if I could.

Because:

1) he is not active
2) his content is sub-par
3) he never takes risks
4) he has not demonstrated that he can be read.

OH! Well that's not a PL, that more of reasons why he could be scummy. That's not a PL in my opinion.

I'm curious.
What do you think of me?

I'm waiting to read you, since you will likely be around for some time. I may or may not be around, I'm not sure at this point.

SS is like that in EVERY game. That is why it is a PL.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lickety

Why do you like nn30's vote on me?

Because you have not made an impact in this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Would also be ok with culted or tojam.

Explain.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lickety

Why do you like nn30's vote on me?

Because you have not made an impact in this game.

Scum can't make an impact in the game? You've implied that's your scum meta right?

Nope, I have said my Scum game sucks, I haven't said I don't make an impact as Scum.

Your posts (as decent as they are) do not hold the weight to convince people you are right. This makes for a very hard read on you and I would guess you would maximise this as Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

With tojam, it's the reasons I voted him before (he says things to make it seem like he's scumhunting when he's not) and I don't like his pressure on realeo's empty slot. I don't really buy that he didn't see the replace out, considering we were all talking about it.

Culted didn't sit well with me at first because I felt like he was making a lot of empty posts (like literally saying "scumpost" and stuff like that as replies), and looking over his ISO, I don't feel like there's a cohesive narrative to his posts, if that makes sense. He asks questions and rarely follows up on them. I think he's trying to blend in without, like you've said, making waves.

Damn, its been a while since I used the terms "not making waves"

[LicketyQuickety]

The plot thickens.

[LicketyQuickety]

@lickety

So, how intent are you on pursuing a PL on day one?

Well, I think day one is the ONLY day to push a mislynch.

I am disappointed people are resistant to the idea. This needs to be done IMHO.

[LicketyQuickety]

@lickety

So, how intent are you on pursuing a PL on day one?

Well, I think day one is the ONLY day to push a PL, (my bad).

I am disappointed people are resistant to the idea. This needs to be done IMHO.

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

I agree, but is a PL the best option for today?

When someone deserves a PL, they deserve a PL and the game comes second.

[LicketyQuickety]

@aronagrundy,

Do you like this song:

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, I think day one is the ONLY day to push a mislynch.

Interesting.

Push it, push it real good.

[LicketyQuickety]

am I doing it right

I have a retort!

[LicketyQuickety]

Is TB the lynch right now?

Town post. I can dissect why, but I don't feel like it so don't ask.

[LicketyQuickety]

I take it back, it could actually be a Scum post.

[LicketyQuickety]

Earlier in the game you town read someone, and then took that town read away due to what you thought was an overwillingness to accept your town read. Now you town read me off a question, and when I question your town read you say you may be wrong?

Town post.

'Ts how I get reads mate.

P-Edit: Damn, now its ruined.

[LicketyQuickety]

So you get town reads by acting scummy and seeing how people react to you?

Sometimes, yes. I don't intentionally act Scummy per se, but it appears that way sometimes.

[LicketyQuickety]

Is titus still voting you? I'm lazy and have no idea where the last vote count will be located.

ISO the mod for VCs.

[LicketyQuickety]

That goes against my religion. Its ok, im on page 34 now, im sure ill hit one soon.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, I am current. I am willing to go into my reads with anyone who wants to know more. I am not going to make a huge wall post spanning all the stupid shit you guys have fought about, that would make me want to vomit.

Town: Cheesy, Titus, Grey
Townish: Culted, Vax
Null: Aron, Snarky
Scummy: Tojam, nn30
Scum: Think, Gamma, Lickity

Vote Count 1.7

Titus:

Cheesy,

Realeo

, LicketyQuickety (L-4)

Realeo

:

, nn30, tojam2 (L-5)

ThinkBig:

culted, Gamma Emerald (L-5)

tojam2:

Vaxkiller (L-6)

nn30:

aronagrundy (L-6)

SnarkySnowman:

ThinkBig (L-6)

LicketyQuickety:

Titus (L-6)

Not voting:

Aeronaut, SnarkySnowman

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2016-12-21 14:50:00), or four days after all slots are occupied; whichever is later.

Still seeking a replacement for Realeo.

We have 4 days from now to decide where to go. I dont remember any votes changing after that vote count, so i think it could be accurate. I don't like the votes on a dead slot, it tells us nothing since you can pressure someone who isnt there. Gamma being on Think means that i believe bussing is occuring, im ok with that I bus as scum.

VOTE: Think

*Sigh*

I want to PL SnarkySnowman...

[LicketyQuickety]

*Sigh*

I want to PL SnarkySnowman...

You mean mislynch, right? Because what you said a while back.

Don't be stupid, don't act stupid, its a Scum tell.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't like policy lynches unless they serve another purpose as well. We would get nothing from lynching SS based on policy since he barely has any interactions for associations, we aren't in a position where we are going to nolynch, and there are scummier dudes than him in this game.

And he will still be around tomorrow if we don't lynch him today. What are good reasons to keep him in the game? If there are none, he should be policy lynched.

[LicketyQuickety]

Pocketing is the same as White Knighting.

[LicketyQuickety]

Pocketing is the same as White Knighting.

Not really. I've been whiteknighted and ended up seeing through it.

We think of it differently then. Sometimes there is a lot of talk about who is pocketing who.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have a Scum read on Gray.

[LicketyQuickety]

Top 3 town
Grey, Cheesy, tojam
Top 3 scum
TB, Vax, LQ
had this completed but got sidetracked

Why is tojam in you top 3 Town reads?

[LicketyQuickety]

Your "once Realslot flips town I'm pushing tojam" comment.

That's quite the terrible association there mate.

[LicketyQuickety]

Your "once Realslot flips town I'm pushing tojam" comment.

That's quite the terrible association there mate.

Grey is locktown now. It is pre-flip but you pulled the same thing so any accusations of that are null.

LOL @LockTown, don't make me laugh, bro. You are better than this.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm on the train headed home. Since I am at L2, I am going to go ahead and claim: I am the 1-shot cop.

We have time, there is no need for a CC yet (if there is one).

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm on the train headed home. Since I am at L2, I am going to go ahead and claim: I am the 1-shot cop.

We have time, there is no need for a CC yet (if there is one).

I'll expand on that... DO NOT CC AT ALL TODAY PERIOD.

Wait for a result and CC tomorrow.

so who you gunna vote for then?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

That's rather obvious. I missed it earlier and Gamma brought it back up

VOTE: LQ

My scumread on you has been building and I'm pretty happy lynching here today.

Reasons, k?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

That's rather obvious. I missed it earlier and Gamma brought it back up

VOTE: LQ

My scumread on you has been building and I'm pretty happy lynching here today.

Reasons, k?

I knew you were going to ask that!

Why would I want my Scum read to know why I am Scumreading them?

What is your point here, darling?

[LicketyQuickety]

ENTJ confirmed.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, who's scum?

Not sure. There are a lot of underplaying decent players in this game. Some sly characters here.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, who's scum?

Not sure. There are a lot of underplaying decent players in this game. Some sly characters here.

Comments like this is why you're scum.

I'd you thought there were underplaying decent characters, you'd be pissed at them for not playing optimally.

Instead, you are saying they are playing very well (Sly characters) yet "underplaying".

You're teaching for what you think town wants to hear and stumbling over yourself.

Nice accusation. Clearly you will not be NKed if I am lynched.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nice accusation. Clearly you will not be NKed if I am lynched.

Instead of addressing my concerns, you deflect and cast shade.

Nope, its a true statement actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

Grey, what letters do you think I am?

I am not a psychologist, nor am I familiar enough with you as a person to hazard a guess.

Wow, and you seem pretty sure I am Scum without knowing shit about how I play.

[LicketyQuickety]

ENTJ confirmed.

If you were somewhat close, I might respect your opinion more about these personality tests and their relevance, but you're way off the mark.

I'm INFJ.

Yeah, see the thing is... a lot of people lie about their type. People using INFJ is the type used most often. And ENTJs are notorious for giving me a hard time. In fact, I've never met one I get along with which is the complete opposite of INFJs.

[LicketyQuickety]

ENTJ confirmed.

If you were somewhat close, I might respect your opinion more about these personality tests and their relevance, but you're way off the mark.

I'm INFJ.

Yeah, see the thing is... a lot of people lie about their type. People using INFJ is the type used most often. And ENTJs are notorious for giving me a hard time. In fact, I've never met one I get along with which is the complete opposite of INFJs.

Damn, you got me. I lied about my personality type because I care what a bunch of anonymous people on the internet think of me.

Drat. Foiled again!

Actually, I'm more inclined to believe you did it to get a rise out of me.

[LicketyQuickety]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Doesn't matter, he's not being lynched today.

If he's town, scum will kill either him or me. Whomever scum doesn't kill gets sorted tomorrow.

If you lynch me and I turn out to be Town, you are not getting NKed.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Gamma

[LicketyQuickety]

If you lynch me and I turn out to be Town, you are not getting NKed.

That presumes a townflip and discounts my claim.

Do I buy the TB claim? Not really. I have strong reason not to. But I'm not interested in pursuing it until tomorrow.

Your claim that I am Scum?

You haven't made it apparent why you Scum read me. Ofc you do have Gamma who is voting me, however.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm going after Tojam if Real (slot) flips Town.

Why would you go after tojam specifically upon my flip?

I can't remember exactly, but I think it was because he voted your slot.

If you can't even remember why you would go after someone the following day today, then I have to doubt the veracity of your remark.

The more important question is why is this being dragged up now rather than earlier.

Does something being brought back up have a significance towards alignment? Cause I found these oddly out of place when i did my read through.

@gamma

Maybe, but I feel like lickety is the type of player (they said themselves that they were firing from the hip i think) that scum could use for distractions/blame later for a mislynch. So I'm interested in how others interact with him.

Explain to me exactly what type of player you think I am.

Thinkbig/cheesy/realeo

Sounds fair.

I don't see ThinkingBig as mafia for the moment.

How do these posts relate?

I think our differences come from the fact I have experience mostly in real life mafia where interactions are different and you get instant feedback from everybody. It's difficult to adjust.

AtE

I give you credit for not Town reading me just because I am voting Gamma. This is why I think you are Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Earlier in the game you town read someone, and then took that town read away due to what you thought was an overwillingness to accept your town read. Now you town read me off a question, and when I question your town read you say you may be wrong?

Good observation.

Yup, and I knew I was doing it at the time too. You might not believe that though. I am familiar with my own play because I say things like "I have a Town read on Xplayer for really no reason."

[LicketyQuickety]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

Its a trade. If TB is Scum, then they can trade a confirmed Town for a living Mafia. It also muddles the field for late game.

[LicketyQuickety]

v/la for today

I'll respond to the case against me when I get back. Should be back by 10 pm est

If being at l-2 was the basis for his claim, why wasn't the claim made here then? If he were a mislynch waiting to happen with scum off the wagon he wouldnt have wanted to leave such an opportunity for a l-1 and a hammer while he was away. I guess he was never really scared of the l-2 vote, but he wanted to act like he was.

Good point. I have half a mind to think there is not even a 1-shot cop in the game actually.

What gives you that idea? I have an idea of what you are going to say, but I want you to say it.

Its a trade. If TB is Scum, then they can trade a confirmed Town for a living Mafia. It also muddles the field for late game.

What? Who becomes the confirmed town in this situation?

IDK, it could be anyone really, but it has to make sense. Like "I investigated [player X] for Y reason(s)."

[LicketyQuickety]

How is Thinks claim confirmable?

Depends if there are 3 other PR claims or not. If there are just 2, then that confirms him as Town.

I really have no idea why he claimed at L-2, but that means Grey and TB are not teamed (Mafia) since Grey lead the push. That is most likely at least.

[LicketyQuickety]

tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one.

Shut your mouth, boy!

You leave me be at night.

Seems weird not to have an exclamation point in the second sentence.

[LicketyQuickety]

tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one.

Shut your mouth, boy!

You leave me be at night.

Seems weird not to have an exclamation point in the second sentence.

Omg your desperation to shade me is delicious.

Reread my interaction with cheesy.

[LicketyQuickety]

nn had already "slipped" at that point, Vax was just pointing it out.

Slips, yes, slips are reliable... always.

[LicketyQuickety]

I do not for half a second buy TB's claim and it's driving me up a wall trying to figure out why he would claim cop on d1.

It's certainly not a strategy that will get him far as scum, so I'm thinking he might be trying to draw heat from me since he was about to die anyway, which would be decent of him to do, although fake-claiming to do so is bad.

It's this question about his alignment that has me wanting to keep him alive for one night.

Detective, you are speculating too much.

[LicketyQuickety]

Not getting lynched today: Fish, Grey, Cheesy, Titus, Vax, Think, and culted.

People who i could lynch Gamma, Lickety, and nn30.

The others I don't care enough about yet.

</3

[LicketyQuickety]

If a lurker is actually Cop, now's the time to claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety, you know you are now going to die today for that comment right?

(Random- some chick just won 96,860 on wheel of fortune)

Meh. I'm used to it by now.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not going to spoil it before TB gets back in here, but...yeah...this got carried a bit out of hand.

Vedith and PP likely not teamed.

If LQ and Vax are both scum Titus might be scum based on this comment.

Reach further bro, reach further.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety, explain why you called for a CC to the cop if there is one?

Because at this point with the content created in this short time, a person who is lurking who is waiting to see how things play out needs to make an affirmative action soonish to clear things up with a simple "I am Cop." It will clear the air and give us something new to talk about.

[LicketyQuickety]

Town {Cheesy,

LQ

, Titus, Formerfish}

No interest in the fact your hard townread is being wagoned this close to deadline?

I think that is a gross misinterpretation of his playstyle.

[LicketyQuickety]

Alright I'm caught up but fair warning I power skimmed.

VOTE: Lickety

And what reasons do you have based on your power skim?

[LicketyQuickety]

Uhm, how about you defending tb but also not believing his claim and wanting to out roles.

I defended him? Want to point that out to the class?

[LicketyQuickety]

What LQ said. Also, no interest in the fact that you're a hard scumread, Grey?

You've not given me any reason to be interested really, and my lifespan is short enough that I don't need to care about your frivolous fakery.

Define "frivolous fakery."

[LicketyQuickety]

^ See? Told you guys SS was scum.

And here I thought that your reads were progressing.

No

scum would do this, especially on d1.

I beg your pardon?

[LicketyQuickety]

Suppose defending is the wrong word here.

I liked grey's initial push on tb. lickety hopped in to discredit that quick.

Tb claims cop, I agree that's a bad lynch today. But calling for someone to counter doesn't line up with the above. I'd expect someone who's not on the wavelength of scum!tb to not immediately be skeptical to the point where they're in a world where there's no way he's actually a cop.

pedit; Snarky that vote makes like zero sense.

Apparently you are trying to using my nuanced play against me. I can go back and reread I suppose.

[LicketyQuickety]

And here we now have 2 PR claims on day one. Turning out to be quite the shit storm.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety, explain why you called for a CC to the cop if there is one?

Because at this point with the content created in this short time, a person who is lurking who is waiting to see how things play out needs to make an affirmative action soonish to clear things up with a simple "I am Cop." It will clear the air and give us something new to talk about.

So you want the real cop, if there is one, to cc the fake claim, so we lynch the fake claim and the real cop gets nked n1? What the fuck is this shit?

Would you rather have an un CCed claim live for longer than they should? Its a 1-shot bro.

[LicketyQuickety]

Would you rather have an un CCed claim live for longer than they should? Its a 1-shot bro.

All the more reason to get that result before countering, bro.

I'd rather take a confirmed Scum than a random peek.

[LicketyQuickety]

Would you rather have an un CCed claim live for longer than they should? Its a 1-shot bro.

All the more reason to get that result before countering, bro.

I'd rather take a confirmed Scum than a random peek.

No need to make the choice by waiting for d2. Die, scum.

I think it was TB who brought up the JK thing. So guess what you just did? You forced the possible JK to have to chose between yourself and a Cop claim. And NO Scum would do that? GTFO of here with that garbage.

[LicketyQuickety]

Would you rather have an un CCed claim live for longer than they should? Its a 1-shot bro.

All the more reason to get that result before countering, bro.

I'd rather take a confirmed Scum than a random peek.

We can peg 2 scum if the cop gets a guilty

Guess what? 2/3 PRs have claimed on day one.

[LicketyQuickety]

Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.

Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.

In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push

In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics

Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.

Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?

Grey is PR claiming. tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one. I did my own personal speculation before the game started and I feel there's a lok likelihood of JK or Tracker, with JK MUCH less likely than any other.

Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.

Well, here's the conversation about it anyways.

Gamma, you have no problem with Greys claim?

[LicketyQuickety]

Grey has said things that are suicide as scum.

Such as?

Cheesy was for TB's push.

In general?

Tojam is for LQ's push

In general?

TB misused meta, and bandwagoned on the Vedith/Realeo debate
Vax bandwagoned on the V/R debate and used rather low tactics

Low tactics?

LQ bandwagoned on the V/R debate
I'm thinking one of my scumreads is wrong though, because the scum wouldn't throw all of themselves on the V/R conflict like that.

Bold is me, obvi. Also, why say you think one of your scum is wrong without trying to figure out which one?

Grey is PR claiming. tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one. I did my own personal speculation before the game started and I feel there's a lok likelihood of JK or Tracker, with JK MUCH less likely than any other.

Why is a JK more likely than a tracker? A JK is a very powerful role that can JK an innocent result, if I get one, and protect them from a NK.

Well, here's the conversation about it anyways.

Gamma, you have no problem with Greys claim?

It's more risky as scum than town. No problems.

I didn't know risk was AI. How is risk AI?

[LicketyQuickety]

And you are pushing this as hard as you are probably because you know that you guys, you know the scum team, didn't pick the cop to be a town role in this game. So in effect you are calling out someone who probably doesnt exist so you can point at that and say see no one came out as the cop, this guy must be real.

Its a bullshit play and its not going to work. I am going to put lickety at l- at 1030, do what you will til then.

Nope, I am pointing out that CC the cop claim is the correct play. Don't put words in my mouth.

[LicketyQuickety]

pedit; Snarky that vote makes like zero sense.

He's trying to get town to do his dirty work for him and he's too impatient to wait for d2 because I'll be confirmed then.

Okay look

If you're the 1-shot cop, claim, and counterclaim, have a clear case of "one is scum, one is town". One town for one scum is a good trade, and is an acceptable way to use it. On the other hand, your reaction to his claim and how you've talked about it since does not scream "I want to counterclaim this".

YES I AGREE WITH LQ, a cop should CC. It's not bad play.

No, that's suboptimal.

Claiming d2 after results prevents scum from negating the benefit gained by countering today.

If I counter TB, he dies today and I die tonight.

If I wait for d2, he dies d2 and I die n2, BUT WE HAVE A GUILTY OR INNOCENT RESULT TOO!

This isn't rocket surgery.

And if TB is Scum and doesn't die, what can we actually conclude from him being alive? A: Nothing until late game. What makes you think Scum are guaranteed to NK TB tonight? What makes you think there is no JK in the game? Are you not the one who was claiming you would be NKed tonight? What happened to that thought? Why claim PR if you know you are going to die N1 because you claimed PR? A: Either you are VT or you are Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

In no scenario ever do I not win a CC against TB.

It costs town valuable information to lynch him today, because I won't be able to use my role tonight.


If scum shoots me tonight, what do you think happens to TB tomorrow anyway?

Your argument sucks because there could be a JK in the game. You made a shitty play admit it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hey Grey, I know who the cop is and it's not TB. I got your message. You got mine?

VOTE: TB

Lets just say subtlety is not a strongsuit the real cop employs well.

Time to read for detail.

Why did you take your vote off me?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Mod, my vote should be on Gamma, not Titus.

Corrected

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: ThinkBig

Thanks for that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Just revote. Gotta go. No hammers until i fully caught up.

I see. So you don't care that the VC by the mod is wrong?

[LicketyQuickety]

Titus uses VCA as Town BTW and she is a big supporter of it.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Culted, I think order of claims is pretty important.

Why?

If a counterclaim came up.

"Oh I soft PR, he already claimed cop"

Like I get wanting to wait a day before counterclaiming, but it makes no fucking sense that you'd soft like that if you are the cop.

It really, really, really doesn't add up.

To quote Savage Garden, I will fly you to the moon and back, if you'll be my baby.

Is it just me, or does that sound like a Justin Bieber lyric?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Titus, am I Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, I'd like to point out that gray made some interesting choices this game. I wish I could say they were true, but I can't. I still think that even if TB is Scum that grey could also be Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hahahaha.

<3

It means a lot to me that you can make this comment while eating.

[LicketyQuickety]

tbh, I suggest him as a JK target if there is one.

Shut your mouth, boy!

You leave me be at night.

Seems weird not to have an exclamation point in the second sentence.

Omg your desperation to shade me is delicious.

I don't shade.

[LicketyQuickety]

Wo is FF?

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh, yeah, that guy is bleeding Town. Don't have any idea why you would even question it tbh.

[LicketyQuickety]

Wo is FF?

FF=Formerfish. Have you been paying attention?

I pay attention to my own shit.

[LicketyQuickety]

Where is cheesy when you need him.

[LicketyQuickety]

Uhg. Titus, try not to confbias so hard.

[LicketyQuickety]

Vote Count 1.3

Cheesy:

LicketyQuickety, nn30, ThinkBig (L-4)

ThinkBig:

aronagrundy, culted, Gamma Emerald (L-4)

PenguinPower:

tojam2 (L-6)

tojam2:

PenguinPower (L-6)

Realeo:

Vedith (L-6)

Vedith:

Cheesy (L-6)

Not voting:

alban, SnarkySnowman, Realeo

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2016-12-21 14:50:00).

Cheesy probtown.

LOL, based on what? A VC from so early in the game? You are already confbiasing that I am scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

I do not for half a second buy TB's claim and it's driving me up a wall trying to figure out why he would claim cop on d1.

It's certainly not a strategy that will get him far as scum, so I'm thinking he might be trying to draw heat from me since he was about to die anyway, which would be decent of him to do, although fake-claiming to do so is bad.

It's this question about his alignment that has me wanting to keep him alive for one night.

Detective, you are speculating too much.

LQ, why do you hint that you are picking up on my crumbing here, but not vote either ThinkBig or me after I make my counterclaim official?

That is actually using my words out of context. I had no idea you were going to claim cop. I never pick up on crumbs and I am PR blind for the most part, unless you can prove otherwise, I wouldn't use that argument.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have a Scum read on Gray.

Nut up and vote me of this is still true.

Otherwise, vote ThinkBig.

Stop waiting to see if your scum buddy can be saved before committing yourself.

You are horrible at interpreting my posts. That's not actually that unusual, but what is unusual is that you are so sure of it. It reminds me of someone indeed.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, you want me to townread you. Vote Grey. No questions asked. The only way I vote you tomorrow then is if there's a guilty on you, which means dumb scum.

Err... thanks?

I'm actually waiting for 2 things right now:

1) for that VC to be corrected (will check that now)
2) to see if there is a third Cop claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Titus,

If you haven't figured this out yet, I am a lone wolf by nature -- I vote MY Scum reads. I don't follow people.

P-Edit a buch. Still don't need to change what I said.

[LicketyQuickety]

2) to see if there is a third Cop claim.

Do you

really

think there's going to be a 3rd CC??

there could be, I have seen it before.

[LicketyQuickety]

Enticing should do the trick. He wants me to townread him. We want his vote on ThinkBig.

Win win.

Right, like you're going to talk him into bussing.

Uhg. Stop, you don't know how I play.

[LicketyQuickety]

Great. Neither Grey nor TB is baccking down. One of them is scum. I know Grey is town.

What stops you from voting? Seriously man.

I think I gave it in my second reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

Great. Neither Grey nor TB is baccking down. One of them is scum. I know Grey is town.

What stops you from voting? Seriously man.

I think I gave it in my second reason.

Fine, you need a third claim. I am the cop too.

You don't believe me do you? Yes conditions are right for a third claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm also waiting to see if I can actually get a read on grey rather than just assuming the CC is true or not.

[LicketyQuickety]

Come on LQ. I think big, but even I'm not naive enough to think there will be a third claim.

I would love to link you a game where it happened, unfortunately, I think Titus is the only one here who could actually read it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Now vote le scum k?

I don't march to the same beat that you do, Titus.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am down to vote whenever. I was giving Titus some room to do what she does.

Titus tends to confbias a lot.

I am not really someone who hammers very frequently. I can't even remember the last time I did it... on second thought, I think the last time I did it was on myself when a Cop had a guilty on me.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Vote:Think

Is that the hammer? If so it was way too premature. We have days before EOD.

[LicketyQuickety]

I will go to the ends of the Earth for Grey.

And that's the very thing that is terribly wrong with your play.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety, have you played with Titus before?

Lots. Possibly (?) more than I have played with anyone else?

[LicketyQuickety]

Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

Mate, if you are actually Town, that was the stupidest thing you could have done.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah, you are not the cop. A cop never self hammers here.

You know, he is pretty green (not meaning alignment necessarily).

[LicketyQuickety]

Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

If that's true, you are going on my avoid list for that hammer.

If that's true?

Titus, I believe I have a reason to Scum read grey now, what do you think?

[LicketyQuickety]

Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

If that's true, you are going on my avoid list for that hammer.

Why's that? Once I flip, it proves that you're scum.

K, he's just trolling now (or LOLcatting if you prefer that term).

[LicketyQuickety]

Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

If that's true, you are going on my avoid list for that hammer.

Why's that? Once I flip, it proves that you're scum.

Your alignment is not indicative of mine.

You faked a cop claim. Regardless of your intentions, it was bad not to walk it back when given the opportunity.

yup, exactly why I didn't want to hammer.

[LicketyQuickety]

Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

If that's true, you are going on my avoid list for that hammer.

Why's that? Once I flip, it proves that you're scum.

Your alignment is not indicative of mine.

You faked a cop claim. Regardless of your intentions, it was bad not to walk it back when given the opportunity.

yup, exactly why I didn't want to hammer.

That's bullshit dude, my post has nothing to do with the hammer and everything to do with his fakeclaim.

Oh you of little faith.

[LicketyQuickety]

Too bad I was town. Now tomorrow, lynch the actual scum.

If that's true, you are going on my avoid list for that hammer.

Why's that? Once I flip, it proves that you're scum.

Your alignment is not indicative of mine.

You faked a cop claim. Regardless of your intentions, it was bad not to walk it back when given the opportunity.

yup, exactly why I didn't want to hammer.

Exactly why you should have.

Take your confbias out. What cop self hammers, denying town information, when the other choice is a liar?

None.

Did I mention that TB is not a seasoned player yet?

[LicketyQuickety]

Grey, let's quickly break down everyone else. I will not have your brain tomorrow.

Let's suppose LQ town and LQ scum.

Sure, I'll help:

LQ Town: Likely
LQ Scum: unlikely

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't have a welcome mat because no one ever seems to visit.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't have a welcome mat because no one ever seems to visit.

Perhaps you should invite me for vodka drinks tonight?

That reminds me, I've run out, need to buy some more.

[LicketyQuickety]

Grey, let's quickly break down everyone else. I will not have your brain tomorrow.

Let's suppose LQ town and LQ scum.

I haven't interacted much with those I haven't already provided reads on.

Intellectual grudge match.

SS Cheesy FF town let's gooooo

LQ scum = SS town
LQ town = SS scum

FF town period. Full stop.
Cheesy... Gun to my head.... Town.

Why the dichotomy.

Because I think SS is Scum, but I don't see him being scum with LQ.

Already touched on this earlier.

I got SS as town. We got issues there.

As long as lq flips scum we don't have issues.

Your reading abilities are subpar.

[LicketyQuickety]

Did you guys know that having to constantly clear your throat could be a sign of acid reflux, and is treatable by doctor? Man google is amazing.

LOL.

[LicketyQuickety]

why did scum!TB claim a role that they knew could be cc'd?

Very easy to answer. If there is an IC, then cop+IC+innocent is a powerful 3-way conf!town. Scum doesn't want this and wants as few conf towns as possible.

Yeah, I don't think I would have picked a Cop/IC combo. See what I did just there?

[LicketyQuickety]

This was my first time playing scum.

Hey, guess what? Playing as Scum is about getting X amount of Townies lynched. Remember that.

[LicketyQuickety]

This was my first time playing scum.

Hey, guess what? Playing as Scum is about getting X amount of Townies lynched. Remember that.

That is true. And partially why I claimed cop. It prevents there from being too many confirmed townies.

I think this soft clears me. Anyone else think so?

[LicketyQuickety]

This was my first time playing scum.

Hey, guess what? Playing as Scum is about getting X amount of Townies lynched. Remember that.

That is true. And partially why I claimed cop. It prevents there from being too many confirmed townies.

I think this soft clears me. Anyone else think so?

Oh hell no lol.

You know, I think now would be a good time to tell us if you were just pulling a gambit or not.

[LicketyQuickety]

This was my first time playing scum.

Hey, guess what? Playing as Scum is about getting X amount of Townies lynched. Remember that.

That is true. And partially why I claimed cop. It prevents there from being too many confirmed townies.

I think this soft clears me. Anyone else think so?

Oh hell no lol.

You know, I think now would be a good time to tell us if you were just pulling a gambit or not.

Why ask that?

Meh, IDK I am bored and I did something very similar on SC2.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'd never pull the stunts I did here if I were town. If I actually was town, I'd almost recommend a PL against me

You have a decent mentor/instincts. Daychat and you would be better.

Yeah. If only we had daychat, I think I could have survived longer.

You'd have survived longer by claiming a role that wasn't actually in the game.

That would have carried you until massclaim, and maybe a lynch after.

Playing for survival is really quite weak play IMHO.

[LicketyQuickety]

This was my first time playing scum.

Hey, guess what? Playing as Scum is about getting X amount of Townies lynched. Remember that.

That is true. And partially why I claimed cop. It prevents there from being too many confirmed townies.

I think this soft clears me. Anyone else think so?

Oh hell no lol.

You know, I think now would be a good time to tell us if you were just pulling a gambit or not.

What the fuck are you on about?

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthrea ... post653456

I found this rather funny actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

Just read from her onwards.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthrea ... post653426

[LicketyQuickety]

Thats how it was on gamefaqs where i started.

They have some really good walkthroughs on that site.

[LicketyQuickety]

Where is Gamma?

[LicketyQuickety]

FF, you should not have put him at L-1.

[LicketyQuickety]

FF, you should not have put him at L-1.

Why?

So that we could talk about more meaningful things besides that I need to buy some more vodka. We have >3 days left.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Lickety

Also, well fucking done Grey.

Why the anger?

No anger, I was being serious. He did an excellent job yesterday drawing the night kill which allowed the real cop to get a result and put us in a much better position than we should have been in.

Titus, how stuck are you on Tojam?

You forget that I was the one who came up with the conclusion that grey was VT or Scum because of the claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

Aron, while we are talking, explain why you hand waved away Lickety calling a push on SS a mislynch.

Ninja: I could point to any of them. He defended Think tooth and nail, refused to vote him even at the end and it was scummy as hell. I would have to go back and actually find specific examples, but shit did you find Lickety town after that whole mess?

Point out where I defended TB. I didn't I just didn't vote them, there is a difference.

[LicketyQuickety]

Then why are you not voting LQ?

Because I didn't know where his vote was.

VOTE: LQ

FTR - I scum read this slot yesterday (about 2309230 pages ago).

So yeah.

As far as I was aware, you town read me for taking the Town read away from you for when I assumed you were just accepting the Town read by me on you. Now I think there is a chance that you were BSing when I took the Town read away and that you were just trying to cover your ass.

Here is the post:

And I can town read you for taking away my town read for not questioning your town read on me.

*whew*

In all seriousness, the 'that's a start' was more of a 'great, what do you think of the actual post' than 'SWEET I'M GETTING TOWN READ.'

I can see how you interpreted this post the other way, though. My initial thought was just that - not to trust you throwing me a town-read. You just modded a game with me in it and could see that I tend to care about whether or not I'm getting town read and could use that against me in this game.

But I honestly don't know how to read this:

Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why

TB's push is horrible

How does this have anything to do with Cheese?

Its a question of whether he is distancing or not.

In that case, pre-flip associative. Discount that.

I want to know why Cheesy is town or scum based on what Cheesy has done this game. I don't care about TB right now.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, who is scum baby doll?

My lynch pile at this point is:

Gamma Emerald
tojam2
nn30
culted
And possibly Cheesy

I have strong Town reads on:
Formerfish
Titus
aronagrundy
And possibly SS

[LicketyQuickety]

Gunna do and old fashioned OMGUS now:

VOTE: nn30

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, who is scum baby doll?

My lynch pile at this point is:

Gamma Emerald
tojam2
nn30
culted
And possibly Cheesy

I have strong Town reads on:
Formerfish
Titus
aronagrundy
And possibly SS

Actually, scratch that. Gamma is a Town lean.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why?

For this reason:

Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why

TB's push is horrible

How does this have anything to do with Cheese?

Its a question of whether he is distancing or not.

I've actually been considering this.

[LicketyQuickety]

Then why are you not voting LQ?

Because I didn't know where his vote was.

VOTE: LQ

FTR - I scum read this slot yesterday (about 2309230 pages ago).

So yeah.

As far as I was aware, you town read me for taking the Town read away from you for when I assumed you were just accepting the Town read by me on you. Now I think there is a chance that you were BSing when I took the Town read away and that you were just trying to cover your ass.

Here is the post:

And I can town read you for taking away my town read for not questioning your town read on me.

*whew*

In all seriousness, the 'that's a start' was more of a 'great, what do you think of the actual post' than 'SWEET I'M GETTING TOWN READ.'

I can see how you interpreted this post the other way, though. My initial thought was just that - not to trust you throwing me a town-read. You just modded a game with me in it and could see that I tend to care about whether or not I'm getting town read and could use that against me in this game.

But I honestly don't know how to read this:

Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why

TB's push is horrible

How does this have anything to do with Cheese?

Its a question of whether he is distancing or not.

In that case, pre-flip associative. Discount that.

I want to know why Cheesy is town or scum based on what Cheesy has done this game. I don't care about TB right now.

You're right. I was town reading you for that.

That read changed.

So what is you take on that interaction then?

[LicketyQuickety]

*ignores the thread*

VOTE: nn30

P-edit: I assume that since I said 'I don't want to talk about TB right now' you're interpreting it as a soft defense of a scum buddy. It wasn't.

Why not?

Also, you put some quotes together which don't belong together at the end of your post. Tacking on 1615 and 1608 is really misleading since they were never meant to respond to the above quotes you included.

Bro, I quote people more often than I don't. Deal.

And answer what I asked you as well, you're dodging.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well we all know if Titus pushes this lynch, she's scum. I can prove my innocence any time I need.

No we don't all know this. Only you know this. And cases can be made against town people regardless of the alignment of the person making the case. It could just mean you are not playing well. Play better, hunt scum and help the town. That way even if you are scum no one really cares until later when we are hunting the last one out there. That's why bussing is a thing.

Actually, tojam doesn't know it either. Titus could be pulling a gambit (as either Town OR Scum).

[LicketyQuickety]

*ignores the thread*

VOTE: nn30

P-edit: I assume that since I said 'I don't want to talk about TB right now' you're interpreting it as a soft defense of a scum buddy. It wasn't.

Why not?

Also, you put some quotes together which don't belong together at the end of your post. Tacking on 1615 and 1608 is really misleading since they were never meant to respond to the above quotes you included.

Bro, I quote people more often than I don't. Deal.

And answer what I asked you as well, you're dodging.

I'm not dodging.

I was not soft defending TB. I actually just didn't want to talk about him because I wanted to focus elsewhere. This can easily come from a townie.

If you're going to scum read me, you're going to need more than OMGUS and a cherry picked behavior of mine, scumboi.

LOL. You sure?

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CONFIRMED BITCHES!!!!

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Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

You also softed that you were going to investigate me via the vodka statement.

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MOAR votes on nn30!

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CONFIRMED BITCHES!!!!

That means I have one game day to either solve this game or do as much damage to Scum as possible.

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Lets get it heavy in hur:

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Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

I went for a controversial clear to make the game near impossible for scum.

Now, if we have an IC they should claim.

You also softed that you were going to investigate me via the vodka statement.

Wasn't deliberate there. I had not decided yet. I did leave a big tipoff to Grey telling him it was ok to CC TB. I figured you would have seen that if scum.

I would have missed it anyways if I was Scum. I am crumb blind and PR blind.

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@Lickety - explain that logic please

Assuming nn30 is Mafia, I was prolly right about this comment.

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ThinkBig I havent' read anything yet, but so far the thread looks to be mostly shit-posting. Who do you think I should have reads on at this point?

LQ suggested that it is unlikely that Vedith and PP are the same alignment. What do you think? Also, what do you think of raeleo's "parked" vote only to quickly remove it?

Think big quoted culted here and NOT nn30. Just noting an observation.

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They feel off

Where's your vote at?

In what way do cheesy and I feel off? Care to elaborate?

As for realeo let me toss a question back at you; do you think scum are more likely to contradict themselves so openly? And was there nothing to your eye that could have made his move-away from gamma come more from a town-mindset?

The first question is a definite yes. In my experience, often contradict themselves to distance from each other.

Not sure what you mean by the second question.

I have no scum reads and 13 town reads, is that bad?

Means you need to try harder.

Vedith's post was a reaction test. I wouldn't put too much thought into his post

But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

VOTE: Culted

First serious vote in the game and this is not an OMGUS. Thus far he has put in minimal effort and has not explained his reads. Culted, why do you think Raeleo and I are mafia?

But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

@Culted did you miss this?

These posts in succession tell me culted is most likely Town.

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LQ, why the change in tone and behavior?

LQ, why the change in tone and behavior?

Because it turns out I do have some confidence after all.

????

Both nn30 and TB both questioning me here. At this point in the game these two have not interacted at all with each other.

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Hi, I'm Scum, lynch me.

HELLO THREAD!!! I AM SCUM!!! SHOW UP AND LYNCH THIS SCUM CLAIM, THANKS!!!

WTF????

Thinkbig not thinking quite so big, my immediate reaction is that he's bs ing, its too good to be true 99% of the time, and that's even higher chance in Mafia.

Brovo, you Scum read someone half the players do. Got anything else?

Specifically, you said Transcend was Vedith. Was this for reactions? If it was, you need to explain what you got out of it.

I don't believe Tojam2 has a retort to this.

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Had a really busy Friday / Saturday. Posting in a few hours

*Cough*

Read cheesy, I'm pretty positive that's a town slot. Reading Realeo next, because anyone who townreads me when I've made like 2 posts is usually scum.

Realeo has claimed that he made that read list to get reactions.

Why is Cheesy town?

Once again we see these two questioning the same person without interacting with each other.

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Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

They're 100% not teammates due to the double replace.

Let's talk about something worthy.

I'd like to lynch Realo because 1) I scum read him before the replace out and 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.

p-edit - I thought he said the argument could be TvT or TvS?

Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

What happened to you saying that the argument could be TvT?

I said it was most likely tvt or svt

I am currently ISOing bother of these players if you couldn't already tell that.

This is the first time one of them interacts or quotes the other and its to agree on something. We don't at all see TB question nn30 here. I would expect a question here if real is Scum and nn30 is Town.

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@Arona - ahh yes, he discounts this.

@TB - why do you discount the TvT in your recent post?

Realeo has played with Vedith before, but doesn't understand that Vedith was joking during RVS? Unlikely.
651 and 668 didn't sit well with me to begin with. In the space of a page, he goes from "he's scum!" to "he's town!" Didn't sit well with me, though it

could

be coming from town, this wasn't my initial impression.

@TB - can you point to posts that felt like distancing scum buddies?

This post and the surrounding ones don't sit well with me. I want to re read the ISO between real, vedith and cheesy once more to make sure. I'm fairly confident there's at least one scum between those three.

Why don't they sit well with you?

My read on Cheese has switched to town.

I'm still waiting on an answer to my question to TB. Hope he comes back soon.

My read on Cheese has switched to town.

I'm still waiting on an answer to my question to TB. Hope he comes back soon.

Just finished my last final. Will answer after work.

Welcome Titus

This post and the surrounding ones don't sit well with me. I want to re read the ISO between real, vedith and cheesy once more to make sure. I'm fairly confident there's at least one scum between those three.

Why don't they sit well with you?

First, sorry for the delay in answering your question. I've been quite busy. The reason why it doesn't sit well with me is that it seems to be scum buddies distancing from each other. Post 205, Cheesy votes Real and suggests that anyone who doesn't vote for him should be PL'd (most likely a joke) and Vedith immediately sheeps him.

For now I'm willing to believe Vedith v reeleo was TvT.

I've never seen Vedith replace out, but I'm sure its happened before. I feel its pretty unlikely his slot is scum. While reeleo COULD be scum, I really think its more than likely town.

I think we have scum in nn30 and/or toejam for the opportunistic as hell votes for no reason, and we need to be voting them right now.

They're 100% not teammates due to the double replace.

Let's talk about something worthy.

I'd like to lynch Realo because 1) I scum read him before the replace out and 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.

They're 100% not teammates due to opportunistic vote when being replaced.

Let's talk about something worthy.

I'd like to lynch nn30 because 1) I scum read him before I even knew this game existed 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.



I would be happy voting nn30 as well. Lynching one of them gives even more info. If one flips scum, reeleo slot is town, and the other one is likely scum too!

This is also a bad use if pre-flips. nn30 could be scum bussing his partner.

There's exactly 0 reason for me to be bussing right there.

There looks to be some Scum hunting from nn30 on TB but it doesn't go anywhere. I don't see how nn30 can be satisfied with TBs answer.

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Earlier in the game you town read someone, and then took that town read away due to what you thought was an overwillingness to accept your town read. Now you town read me off a question, and when I question your town read you say you may be wrong?

Good observation.

I am not town reading Cheesy/Realo(Realo's replacement?) and Vedith/Vedith's replacement) as well as Gamma.

Light town read on Arona too.

I love having 10 pages to work with - it gives me a chance at a birds eye view of the game (similar to replacing in but not exact).

I think LQ is scum.

VOTE: LQ

No recent VC so I have no idea where that puts him (I saw L-2 earlier? So I'm assuming it's not hammer).

Now*

Not not.

Sorry.

These are the last 3 posts from nn30 from last game day. After that he goes dead silent.

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I'd vote for cheesy, he just doesn't sit right with me (up to p.13), but I need a VC.

What do you need VC for?

Oh, I'm not going to say my logical conclusion from that because it will get Ved nk'd, this would line up with his cop comment as well.

Come again? Did you just try to out him as a pr while saying you don't wanna do it?

Respond

I can't be sure in that situation whether I should conf him town or wait.

Do indulge us on this now.

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Also, can someone explain the difference between opportunistic voting and demonstrative voting.

WTF are you talking about tojam

I'm voting to try and make a point.

Just for the LOL's we have this interesting series of posts.

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Note to Self: If I ever need LQ stream of consciousness call him conftown.

There are only so many quarters you have for that ride.

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Titus,

I think Tojam is either Scum or Vig.

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This is the outline, I can expand on anything in there:

Lickety case:
Heavy defense of ThinkBig
Advocated for SS policy lynch
996- he calls the push on SS a mislynch, then ebwop in 997 to say policy lynch, then after you start to spam the thread with music videos. Maybe trying to put some distance from a post that should have been more damaging if more people were on.
Calls someone out for bringing up old posts, then out of nowhere he starts rehashing old shit posts. Refuses to give reasons for his scum read on someone, and then asks someone to explain their read on him (2x). Quick turn in my situation too.
Pissing match with Grey (aka the conftown guy)
1137- coaching his scum partners in case he got lynched.
Buddying up to me.
1196-
Repeatedly calls for someone to cc the fake cop, is this because he knows that Think was lying and wanted the real cop to out themselves?
1268
965 never takes risks, 1292 says risk is NAI.
1383- Third cop claim?!?
1513- nows the time to admit to a gambit? Really? You said you did it before on another site, and I asked if you were scum in that game. Instead of just answering you linked me to a game from another site with no context whatsoever. It was a simple question, did you ask that question in the game you linked as scum or as town?

Bravo on this case mate.

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Finally something I can listen to

LQ buddy why'd you change your avi? Now I'm confusing you with Titus at first glance :/

Because its the same char as I usually have only different because its not a gif.

Here's what I usually use:

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I was feeling eh on culted all of day 1 but I like the last posts he made that day. Seems very genuine in his skepticism and there's a logical progression from their reread (Post 1243) to them voting TB. I was entertaining the idea of TB voting culted early on in the game to distance themselves from their partner but looking at LQ's recent posts on that I think culted's reaction (to hound TB on it) makes me lean town on him.

I do want to know what their vote is doing on me because it came out of left field sorta (I'll say more in my next post).

I'm still 100% down with tojam unless his soft claim is genuine.

I also have no problem shamelessly sheeping titus and lickety right now.

VOTE: nn30

I think that's L-2

Arona put a lot more thought into his town game when I was scum. I'm not liking Arona rn.

You are going to have to provide some quotes or something.

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LOL they sheeped onto me as town in that game in an identical way.

As it stands, I'm still suspicious of titus. But I agree with shaddowez/algebra about nn30 so I'm fine with joining this wagon and seeing where this goes.

VOTE: nn30

I dunno who's scum in this game.

All I know is that I'm town. Lynching me is undeniably bad. Give me reasons why you scum read me and I'll refute them to the best of my ability.

K, you don't know who is Scum?

Who is Town?

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Newbie 1741.

I said quotes, not games.

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Guys leave nn be and help me flip tojam thx

If you insist on getting the vote off nn30:

VOTE: cheesy

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Newbie 1741.

I said quotes, not games.

I did provide

a

quote. It's on the previous page. I was responding to GE when I said Newbie 1741.

You're quote was nothing special, honestly. It looked like a normal post from them. How is it different than this game?

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Hmm Gamma goes into my townpile, I wanna see this flip now:

VOTE: tojam2

Why do you want to see

that

flip?

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LQ you're constantly disappointing me

Just don't hold it against me, k?