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[Gamma Emerald]

How did Creeps townslip?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'd rather not be tr due to being the replacement but I'll take what I can get I guess.

[Aj The Epic]

Well you see, I came up just short of actually catching all the way up. I'm like halfway into D2, so I'm like 90% of the way there due to where I started.

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 2.09

Hiraki (4): Joshz, Lil Uzi Vert, FrankJaeger, TwoFace
Aj The Epic (4): Nachomamma8, xSoniaNevermindx, Aristophanes, Gamma Emerald
xSoniaNevermindx (1): Vedith
Gamma Emerald (1): Hiraki

No Vote (1): Aj The Epic

With 11 players living, 6 votes are required to lynch.

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(expired on 2016-12-20 16:30:00)

NOTES

Vedith V/LA until 18 December

[Hiraki]

frank actually made a very good post while still being a lurker but i can understand being under pressure with bad votes

do you mind posting anything more substantial frank or is this gonna be commonplace still?

[Joshz]

@AJ - "Nacho, Sonia, josh, Vedith are town. If you're going to put Josh as town for Eric, I see no reason Sonia doesn't get the same pass. Hesistant on Uzi." yknow nacho and uzi are the masons right?

@sonia - nobody who's town read me has even mentioned me lmao they keep saying its because of eric. no point complaining since im not gonna be mislynched but bleh.

[Aj The Epic]

No, actually. I was assuming Nacho was a mason wit Ari with how ridiculous his defense of Ari felt. I hadn't gotten to that part of the reveal.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, I REALLY don't think Aj can be scum if they don't know WHO THE MASONS ARE. That HAD TO have been discussed in the scum PT.
VOTE: Hiraki

[Aj The Epic]

That's L-1, but don't expect me to be giving intent any time soon.

[Aristophanes]

You know what, I REALLY don't think Aj can be scum if they don't know WHO THE MASONS ARE. That HAD TO have been discussed in the scum PT.
VOTE: Hiraki

Because scum would never ever just play dumb, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, I REALLY don't think Aj can be scum if they don't know WHO THE MASONS ARE. That HAD TO have been discussed in the scum PT.
VOTE: Hiraki

Because scum would never ever just play dumb, right?

Sure they might, but it feels genuine. It's the same reason I ended up TRing Eric: it doesn't make ANY sense from a scum perspective.

[Aj The Epic]

Ari, while you're here, why don't you take some time to respond to my post.

[Aristophanes]

Ari, while you're here, why don't you take some time to respond to my post.

But it's sooooo long!
(Alright, fine!)

[Aristophanes]

Okay,so you dislike my Creeps vote. I had honestly forgotten my Fitz suspicions and Creeps was both viable and possible scum. Couldn't be arsed to reread because I've been busy, so I went with what felt right at the time.

Creeps has proclaimed that his lack of avatar is so people forget about him. I hate it. I believe I was making a statement more than anything, but he brought it up in a wah that seemed a tad contradictory to what I had seen him say before. I'll concede that that is a weak point, but meh.
And I pushed it as hard as I felt it. Which was not a lot. But more than the other wagons at the time.

On 1107, I was saying that from a TF point of view. If he believed Fitz to be scum but refused to vote him, he was refusing to vote.someone he felt was scum. It had nothing to do with how I felt about the wagon.

I think that addresses everything.

[Hiraki]

ty for reinforcing my read on you Ari

if deadline gets under 5 hours and there's no consensus on anyone else (i won't be voting AJ) then you should hammer me even if you think i'm the good guy, no lynch isn't good in this situation much moreso than yesterday

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Sonia - Reviewing later.

[Nachomamma8]

You know what, I REALLY don't think Aj can be scum if they don't know WHO THE MASONS ARE. That HAD TO have been discussed in the scum PT.
VOTE: Hiraki

AJ has also claimed to have read the mason reveal.
Which means, regardless of alignment, AJ had access to the information and missed it. How does that make him town?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

That or he forgot

[Nachomamma8]

Hiraki, if you really are townreading AJ, you should lay out your reasons for townreading him; as it stands, you're going to make yourself get mislynched today when you normally wouldn't and AJ will get mislynched tomorrow after he avoids the lynch today, which is a poorer outcome for town than either making the case for him being town or hammering him today.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

You would think the person at L-1 would be more frantic/trying harder if himself and his tr were the top 2 lynch choices when it's clear Aj is also a good wagon.

Alright that does it for me

Intent

[Joshz]

Hiraki, before you're hammered, convince us aj and vedith are town so we don't lynch them tomorrow.

[Hiraki]

AJ hasn't even given his summary yet and hasn't done anything that's actually scummy. See my discussion with xSonia on the difference between what he said and what people think he said.

I don't see how you can scumread Vedith fairly so I don't know how to defend that.

@nacho: Yeah but we're at a little more than a day and 6 hours with xSonia already declaring intent - there's a point where you gotta understand that even though Gamma is literally the scummiest person in the game, you gotta die for him to be lynched D3 wink wink nudge nudge

I'm not going to hop over to the other wagon because it might be nicer

@xSonia - I've been the leading wagon for about the entire day (so about a week now) but this was before you replaced in so I can understand why you didn't see that

[xSoniaNevermindx]

AJ hasn't even given his summary yet and hasn't done anything that's actually scummy. See my discussion with xSonia on the difference between what he said and what people think he said.

I don't see how you can scumread Vedith fairly so I don't know how to defend that.

@nacho: Yeah but we're at a little more than a day and 6 hours with xSonia already declaring intent - there's a point where you gotta understand that even though Gamma is literally the scummiest person in the game, you gotta die for him to be lynched D3 wink wink nudge nudge

I'm not going to hop over to the other wagon because it might be nicer

@xSonia - I've been the leading wagon for about the entire day (so about a week now) but this was before you replaced in so I can understand why you didn't see that

So you're steamed out I assume is what this post means.
Fair but if you've been the leading wagon for a bit this just makes me feel better cause 2 results happen here
A) You're scum yay everyone wins!
B) You're town and everyone has to look at new options cause you'd prob be a fall back lynch at anytime.

No downside here.

[Joshz]

I don't want you to defend vedith. Make a case that he's town. Show me where he's down town things and what warrants you townreading him. Your read has to come from somewhere.

[Hiraki]

oh - don't get me wrong, I 100% agree with you Sonia - we should play sometime in a better game