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Post Post #3310 (isolation #0) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:17 am

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Starting read through now. Loooong game so be patient please.

I'm Vanilla Townie so not sure what goodmorning was up to if he claimed a pr.

Suggest votes be taken off me unless today's objective is another mislynch.

Anything noteworthy that should be impressed on me would be helpful.
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Post Post #3313 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:49 am

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In post 3312, Raskolnikov wrote:The only way you would have known about the massclaim is if you did read the very recent part of the game or you saw it in a PT.
Maria said goodmorning had claimed a pr. I'm not a pr. Pay attention.
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Post Post #3317 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:21 am

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In post 3315, Raskolnikov wrote:Protip, you should vote me. We're in a 1v1 right now.
Skimming...up to page 31. Will do a closer 2nd read. Why would I vote you before I've determined whether I think you are scum or not? Better yet...rather than me voting you, you should unvote me.
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Post Post #3327 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:50 pm

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In post 3307, MariaR wrote:havingfitz GM claimed PR and said she'd out what she was when she came back
care to tell us what pr you are
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In post 3320, CloudKicker wrote:@having if ure town i suggest you vote rask and even if ure unsure about her, shes a great lynch atm and she probably wont unvote you at any point in this game so its playing for your wincon regardless of alignement
If she (?) is a great lynch why is no one else voting her?

I still need to do a closer read. Right now my main persons of interest are Creature, Maria and atm in 3rd.....Rask. I should have a vote down tomorrow.

@Rask...why are you so committed to lynching me(GM)?
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Post Post #3331 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:29 pm

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In post 3330, CloudKicker wrote:Its also funny the replacement has the same kind of reads, seems odd
Same reads as GM? If so..I hadn't noticed. Not that funny though considering BV is a mason and you claimed a pr. Really only leaves me 4 to consider atm.
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Post Post #3335 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:29 am

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In post 3327, havingfitz wrote:@Rask...why are you so committed to lynching me(GM)?
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Post Post #3347 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:17 pm

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Busy RL day. Still looking through the suspects I mentioned earlier. 130+ pages is a lot to look over. If I'm not lynched by tomorrow I'll post comments and vote. Just to reiterate...I'm town.
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Post Post #3348 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:05 am

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OK..so I put together a long assessment of Sotty interactions with Maria, Creature and Rask and threw in a little VCA. I emailed the assessment to my home email account to post in here and when I got home (from work)...discovered that something had gone wrong and I could not open my email. I will not have access to the email again until around 7am est tomorrow. The reader's digest version is I suspect in this order - Maria, Creature and to a much lesser degree Rask..........................................................and Jaack..................................................and Cloud (neither of whom I even looked at).

The very brief summary was that Maria hard defending Sotty up to her D2 lynch combined with some things I point out with he VCA point me to her. Assuming my wagon doesn't go any further (i.e. I'm lynched) I'll post the entirety of my assessment first thing tomorrow morning.

The end result of my assessment doesn't have to wait though.

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Post Post #3358 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:11 pm

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In post 3352, Creature wrote:BlackVoid and CloudKicker's claims without reading any page?
What makes you say/assume this?
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Post Post #3360 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:02 am

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Looking over the interactions Sotty had with Maria and Michael/Creature I
see either (or both) of them being partners with Sotty. Maria.for as she
readily admits.her dedicated efforts to try and spare Sotty from getting
lynched and conversely.Creature for shining suspicion on Sotty for much of
D2, to include after Sotty claimed Tracker, but only having a vote on Sotty
(pre-claim) . The Sotty did have a little flurry of pre-claim action that
got it up to L-1 for a brief period but that all happened fairly quickly and
the initial L-3 vote Creature placed was fairly harmless.

Additionally...looking at the lynches..

D1
GreyIce
lynch consisted of
IAI, Hoopla, Victor and BV
&
Rask and
Creature.
I doubt all three scum would be on an impending mislynch that
had an equally viable wagon (Victor) up to Victor's mason claim but could
definitely envision 2 being on it (i.e. in the Creature Rask grouping).

D2
Sotty
lynch consisted of
IAI,
Hoopla, Victor and BV
&
Rask and Jaack.
I do not see
both of Sotty's partners bussing her to the end. Of the players off her
wagon.
Cloudkicker
is a claimed PR (which to be honest I have not
investigated the claim's viability but it seems to have been accepted) and
Maria, Creature and GM. GM is town fmpov which leaves me Maria and Creature
as considerations. I strongly feel one if not both of these players is
scum.

D3's lynch was
Hoopla
. Her wagon consisted of
BV
,
Rask, Jaack, Maria and Creature.
.
Cloud and GM were the only two players alive who were off the Hoopla wagon.


The only other D3 wagon aside from Hoopla (i.e. the closest to a competing
wagon) was Creatures. Maria has voted the Creature slot every day. Even
today. However.D3 when her L-3 Creature vote turned to an L-1 vote she was
quick to exit and put Hoopla at L-1 for the second time that day. Not sure
what her views were wrt Hoopla. The point is.she has been consistently on
Creature's wagon but jumped at getting off it at L-1 while she had no
problem putting Hoopla there twice.

That said.I feel more comfortable in my Maria suspicions based on their
interactions with Sotty and VCA than I do Creature (ATM) so.

VOTE: Maria


Spoiler: Sotty and Maria interactions
Sotty wrt Maria:

Search has 47 Maria hits in Sotty ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Maria were both voting BBT (twice on
D1) and Jack (twice on D2).
Neither of them ever votes the other.

Early harmless exchanges/questions (124, 184, 273, 358).
Questions her on her Michael vote (387).
Defends Maria in 416 and 466. Post 471.
Upgrades Maria to null/town by post 483.
Happy with Maria being town by 795
Maria is town...902.
More Maria defense in 916.
A little Sotty anger directed at Maria.
Maria is back to a weak town read in 1165
Maria closer to town than null 1398

Maria wrt Sotty:

Search has 80+ Maria hits in Sotty ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Maria were both voting BBT (twice on
D1) and Jack (twice on D2).

122/125.Sotty is posting BS. Half for rubbing the wrong way and half agrees
with. Weird feeling tell.
457.BV calls Sotty and Maria (and BBT) scum.Maria wishes she were that
smart.
527.Maria doesn't "get the Sotty rn" but does suspect BBT (town) and GM
(town fyi).
850.comments on a Hoopla/Rask post that mentions the Sotty wagon and says
the GreyIce wagon is the only one she sees getting anywhere.
1147.BV is scum for voting Sotty.
1148.Jaack is "scum for the scoty push"
1149.doesn't see Sotty killing TwoFace.
1171.accuses BV of going after "easier push" on Sotty instead of voting her
(Maria).
1228.town reading Sotty
1233."Scotty is town"
1286.Doesn't understand the scotty wagon. Sure.some posts she disagrees
with but nothing scummy.
1353.gives IAI hell after voting Sotty.
1373.states she is defending Sotty.
1478.votes Jaack for voting Sotty.
1514.She believes Sotty.
1698.Maria and Sotty discuss scum tunneling.
1808.Over the top Sotty defense after Sotty gets put at L-3.
1841.Sotty wouldn't have killed TwoFace.
1885.would vote Rask over Sotty if given the chance.
1901.says town would have voted Sotty even if she had claimed Innocent
Child.


Spoiler: Sotty and Michael/Creature interactions
Sotty wrt Michael/Creature:

Search has 36 Michael/Creature hits in Sotty's ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Creature both voted BBT (D1 with
oldest 2 votes on the lynch).
They exchange votes on each other D2. Creature put her at L-3 and was first
off the Sotty wagon after Sotty's fakeclaim. Sotty had Creature at L-4 a
short time before camping on Jaack the rest of D2.

60.Town read's Michael based on a Hoopla post.
387.ask's Maria why a Michael wagon has merit.
416/483.Affirms Michael town read.
Could see scum in Cloud and/or Creature. 1163
Shades Creature a bit in 1169
Argues against Creature voting her in 1397
Votes Creature D2 in 1480
A little tiff apparent in 1606
Nothing else much.

Michael/Creature wrt Sotty:

Search has 23 Creature hits in Sotty's ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Michael/Creature both voted BBT (D1
with oldest 2 votes on the lynch).
They exchange votes on each other D2. Creature put her at L-3 and was first
off the Sotty wagon after Sotty's fakeclaim. Sotty had Creature at L-4 a
short time before camping on Jaack the rest of D2.

367.gives glowing review of Sotty when asked for comment by BV.
981.agrees with most of Hoopla's list and has Sotty in the scumpool.
1191.dayvigs Sotty
1227.votes Sotty
1327.pushing the Sotty wagon
1334.Fine with Sotty + Hoopla lynches
1490.Calls Jaack's 1470 vote on Sotty reckless.
1581.still thinks scum are Hoopla Sotty and Rask.
1598..Sotty is scum because she was "pretty weak when on the stand" (Kind
of like your reason given).



Spoiler: Sotty and Rask interactions
Sotty wrt Rask:

Search has 74 Rask hits in Sotty's ISO
During Sotty's time in the game she and Rask were on the same wagon only
once. D1 when Rask hammered BBT.
They exchange votes on each other D1 and D2.
D1 Sotty placed the L-4 vote on a Rask wagon, which made it to L-2, before
she switched her attentions to BBT. Rask put her at L-4 and her wagon only
got to L-3 before Rask switched to Victor.
D2 Sotty is the only person on a Rask wagon for a good portion of the day.
Rask puts Sotty at L-2 and essentially forces the tracker claim. Goes on
later in the day as the 2nd vote behind Jaack on the eventually lynch wagon.

~Random vote on Rask? 59
Criticizes Rask's Hoopla case...86
Criticizes Rask again for voting Hoopla but proceeds to unvote Rask and vote
BBT.
184 agrees with BV's comments of slight suspicion towards Rask.
311..."Rask's posts lately feel good." "RaskTown"
483..Sotty has Michael (i.e. Creature), Rask, and GM (i.e. me) all as town.
Lovely. And as a reminder...Maria is upgraded " to null/town."
827...wants to see more from Rask since becoming a universal town read.
902...Rask is town...(Jaack is not btw)
1151...one of her "critical town reads" is scum = Rask.
1165...tries to gauge interest in her Rask vote.
1377...Defends against Rask voting her. Again in 1397.
1398...Scumreads Rask and Creature (and IAI). I can see Sotty scumreading a
partner (i.e. Rask or Creature).
1693...calls out Rask for trying to "flash wagon?" GM. Not sure what this
in reference to given no one is voting GM atm. I would argue a bit of
intentional guilty by defense directed on GM (who is town btw).
1749...questions Cloud's vote on Rask.
1840...still scum reading Rask.
1860...gives BV a little flak for not starting a Rask or Maria wagon.

Still need to go back and do a Rask ISO on her thoughts towards Sotty.


Apologies to BV...I missed your queries to me about how I knew you guys had claimed.
When I replace into a game...whether it's 10 pages or 100 pages the first thing I do is scroll through every page and annotate any votes or claims that I see. By scroilling I might miss some claims but I usually never miss votes because they are bolded. For example...I didn't catch Sotty's tracker claim until much later in the game and I had to go back and see when it was (post 1436).

Ex.

I know Victor claimed mason in post 1074
That Cloud claimed bodyguard in post 2486
I marked Maria and Creature down as claiming town in posts 2299 and 2964
And you claiming mason in post 2855.

These claims werre picked up during my page by page scrolling. At Jaack...you seem to be getting a lot of town leans iirc and after noting the votes...I am comfortable with you as town atm based on your level of effort to get Sotty lynched and her attempts back on you. You started the wagon that led to her lynch. If you are scum...bravo. I'm guessing not.

I have not read every post in the game. I did my initial scroll over every page and read the occasional post that caught my eye but otherwise I have been reading ISO's and other items of interest (ex. dialogue in conjunction with votes).
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Post Post #3361 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:03 am

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I'm around for a few hours for any other questions.
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Post Post #3364 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:58 am

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In post 3362, Raskolnikov wrote:When you join a game you skim every page for claims?
Votes primarily but if I see a claim I'll note it as well.
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:47 am

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In post 3368, BlackVoid wrote:I would have bought it if you said that you saw people talking about them in the recent pages since you joined and deduced it from that. But I find it hard to buy that you clicked on 130 pages one by one and scanned them for claims
That's how I knew about Sottys claim. Saw it mentioned at some later point in my skim. I don't focus on claims when I skim but if I see them I'll note them. As for comparing how fast I did this one vs others...that's completely dependent on how much time I have which fluctuates.
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Post Post #3373 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:49 am

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If I am today's lynch I would just urge for Maria to be tomorrow'so lynch. I'm busy the next 2 hours but happy to answer any other questions or concerns.
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Post Post #3378 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:45 am

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@Cloud...you being upset in my situation is how you would react. I'm not you. This is a game...it's not LYLO...and you guys have a lot more invested in it then I do. I do not want to be lynched and I do not want to do a disservice to deceased town who put a lot of effort into this game before I replaced in but it's not my call. Scum are not going to like my cases on them (nor town if I have it wrong) so it's an uphill battle. If you guys think GM was especially scummy that's between you and her. I've read little to nothing GM has said because I know her alignment (town btw) and I cannot explain anything she did without making an assumptions. So why bother?

@BV...if you want my read on anything...any occurrence let me know. I can't speak for GM but I'm happy to give my opinion on anything else. If I do get through today I should have more time to actually read through the entire game over the weekend/during N4.
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Post Post #3382 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:03 am

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BV...I don't do my catch ups and proclaim "Here are all the claims!" ...the people playing already know them. I make note of them for myself. The only reason I explained here was because I was questioned about knowing of the claims. I have all my games tracked so I'll look for late replace in examples. This game might have the record. Back asap.
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Post Post #3386 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:20 am

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In post 3383, BlackVoid wrote:Can you also clarify for me what exactly you did upon replacing in. Were you following the game before? When did you actually start reading? Did you click on every single page in your initial skim?
Wasn't following game.
Started reading (aside from looking at player list and game state) when mod accepted my offer.
I click every page. If no votes on a page I might spend 5-10 seconds on it unless something catches my eye. Pages with votes might be a minute. Probably took me 75-90 minutes to do initial skim.

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Post Post #3411 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:37 am

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Pardon the no links. Go to my topics and these games are some of my recent or more involved catch ups.

Open 658 - mid day 2 in the 1200s. I was scum
Mini 1539 D5. I was town.
Mini 1466 D5. I was scum. Only example I found where I talked about how I enter games.

I will say that wrt this game. While I did my usual skim of votes (and whatever else caught my eye)...I do not make a habit of discussing it. The only reason it's brought up here is due to being shaded for my knowledge of claims without having read the game thoroughly.

Also....Check out Mini 1558 post 428 for another players catch up assessment of me (I was town in this game).


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Post Post #3583 (isolation #18) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:09 pm

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That was quick. I didn't send anything in. Heading out for the night.
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Post Post #3586 (isolation #19) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:12 pm

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Cloud....when did you use you pr?

P.edit...you're not very good at this game...are you Rask?
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Post Post #3589 (isolation #20) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:14 pm

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In post 3585, Raskolnikov wrote:This is either a lie or a mod error.
I said nothing to the mod. I could have used the time.
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Post Post #3590 (isolation #21) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:15 pm

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I'm struggling not to call you an idiot Rask. Not. gonna. do it.
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Post Post #3607 (isolation #22) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:10 pm

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In post 3598, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 3589, havingfitz wrote:I said nothing to the mod. I could have used the time.
Actually this is pretty much a claim.
Yes...a town claim.
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Post Post #3609 (isolation #23) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:34 pm

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Rask and Creature...whichever of you IS town I suggest you unvote me.

Speaking to whichever of you is town...the day has just begun. There's no rush to get a mislynch and avoid accumulating addition information.

I'll take a closer look to see which of you is scum tomorrow. In the meantime we should allow Cloud and Jack to give their thoughts.

I'll also explain with a high degree of certainty tomorrow why I am town and at least one of you is sadly misguided.

Also....and btw....Cloud and Jaack....

I'm at L-1!
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Please be careful.
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Post Post #3619 (isolation #24) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:33 am

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I'm not town because I didn't request a nightslip. In the mod's defense, scum could have submitted the nightkill and forgot to request a nightslip. TBH I didn't even notice it was an option.

I'm town because there is no way in he// that I would have bussed my last remaining scum partner so close to LYLO when it wasn't necessary. If I'm scum with Maria...Creature and Rask were getting plenty of enough attention when I replaced in to work a reasonable mislynch.

Also...for those of you that put weight in meta, chew on this:



I'm still leaning towards Creature due to all the time Maria has spent on his wagon this game without ever really putting him in jeopardy. I'll wait to hear what Jaack and Cloud have to say first but I think Creature is where my vote will land. Though I will do due diligence with some more ISOing first.
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Post Post #3641 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:22 am

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In post 3621, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 3589, havingfitz wrote:I could have used the time.
If you're town why would you say this?
You seriously have to ask this?

I would need the extra time to look over a 130+ page game for more info towards finding scum.
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Post Post #3643 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:33 am

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In post 3642, Creature wrote:You can tell exactly the posts where the claims were made in a short time but you can't read 146 pages?
Yes I can read 146 pages. But I haven't. Are you saying me being aware of PR claims after skimming every page for votes is scummy? Are you familiar with how attentive I am when skimming games for votes? Is it out of the realm of possibility that I would notice other things like claims? I didn't notice Sotty's claim. I only realized she had claimed from other players comments after I was done skimming.
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Post Post #3647 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:39 am

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What are you going on about Creature? I already stated I saw both of these claims in my skim.
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Post Post #3652 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:54 am

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In post 3650, CloudKicker wrote:
Honestly from posts alone gm is the scummier here, but
i can see a scum!creature pushing the idea about the whole claim slip to be scum indicative when i personnaly think it shouldnt be read too much into it
This is basically my take as well. Trying to make something suspect out of anything.
In post 3651, Creature wrote:By PoE havingfitz is scum.
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Post Post #3684 (isolation #29) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:57 pm

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In post 3656, CloudKicker wrote:So please @ jack lynch rask and then you can lynch fitz tomorow if its a miss
I have to say this is a little disappointing Cloud. I'm not scum. I am town. I do not lynch scum partners. Maria was scum. It's a much easier equation then your . IF Fitz lynch scum THEN Fitz = Town.

I do not know who the last scum is but atm I suspect it is Creature. If you get your Rask lynch today and he does turn out to be town...you advocating up a mislynch tomorrow in LYLO is not in the best interests of town.

Why do you think Creature is more likely to be town then me?
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Post Post #3693 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:05 am

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Ok...while I have been of the opinion the last scum is either in Rask or Creature I had Creature in the lead up till now. Reading through this morning from when I replaced in to the game up to now though has me thinking the last scum is Rask.

If Rask is scum...she's already shown a propensity for bussing (ex Sotty) so a Maria hammer is within reason. Though up to Maria's hammer yesterday Rask had only voted Maria once...with her first vote of the game (RVS?).

Rask has never voted Creature in this game and yesterday when Creature got to L-1...if Creature is town...then Rask would have taken a lot of shit for hammering someone she has been town reading (?) most of the game. This was blatently spelled out to Cloud when he told Rask that a Creature townflip would essentially be a scum claim by Rask. This prevented Rask from hammering her town read and only left 2 options. Me (who wagon momentum had petered out) and Maria...who was looking like a shoe in with both BBV and Cloud on it (along with me). Speaking of along with me...If I was the last scum this same point regarding Rask and a Creature hammer did not apply to me. As mentioned earlier...if any of you put any stock in meta, I absolutely would have hammered Creature to save a scum partner. Rask did not have this luxury though and went for the 2nd scum lynch. Not as good as getting a mislynch but if the lynch was inevitable she might as well get some town cred.

I also feel like a lot of the things Rask (and Creature to be fair) have said/pushed today have been trying to use NAI events to push suspicion towards me. But Rask's push seems more thought out than Creature's. I think Creature is shooting from the hip without much thought or filter whereas Rask is trying too hard to push a bs case.

I hope Rask is today's lynch and the game is over. If not...my vote tomorrow will revert to Creature.

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Post Post #3744 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:41 am

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Reset. I'm not voting anyone quickly. To whichever of you is town...don't hurry any vote on me. I'm town.

Off to Xmas luncheon soon. Might be tomorrow before I can dig in to things...ISOs etc.

P.edit....hey Creature. What are you thinking of our day 6 situation?
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Post Post #3745 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:42 am

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In post 3738, Creature wrote:VOTE: havingfitz
If you are town this is game over (ie town loses).
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Post Post #3750 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:52 am

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In post 3749, Creature wrote:Just wondering if Cloud would do a scum theater at pages 149 and 150.
My question as well.
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Post Post #3776 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:16 pm

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In post 3774, CloudKicker wrote:I said i wasnt voting
I wish you had posted while he had his vote on me. That would have made things easier for me at least. Even though I've only been in the game a week or so I also would hate to screw it up for town after however many months it has been going.

I'm not voting either or you today (unless a scenario like the one I mention above takes place). I'm off in about 30 minutes to a holiday band concert and won't have any time to look at the game more closely until tomorrow. I should have most of tomorrow to read through stuff.

Cloud...what did you mean by the 50% thing with your claim?

Also...I'm town. Whichever of you is town needs to refrain from putting a vote on me.
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Post Post #3779 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:33 pm

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In post 3778, CloudKicker wrote:And btw fitz, creature said he wanted to vote and i left the site to study. As mafia with 2months game i probably wouldve just refreshed until he voted :roll: i just went and doing my things because i wanted you to come back and produce content.
I understand.

Did you use your PR? If you have mentioned it I haven't noticed.
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Post Post #3782 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:59 am

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I'm here and just starting to phone read over stuff for the next few hours.

Just so you both know where my head is at at the moment (but not that I care if scum knows)...I was expecting Cloud to be the NK last night.

If Cloud is scum...Jaack was really his only option as I do not think Cloud would have wanted a LYLO with someone equally regarded as town up to that point whereas both my slot and Creature's have had their fair share of suspicion.

@Cloud...why does Rask flipping town cause you to lean towards me? Because he suspected me? Just because townCloud was wrong, a lot....very wrong, about Rask doesn't mean Rask was suddenly right about me.

If Creature is scum...which I am leaning towards atm, I'm not sure killing Jaack or Cloud would have made a difference.

For which ever of you is town I would just re-iterate my overwhelmingly substantial meta of not lynching scum partners. I think I have done it once in 30+ games and that was in a game where both my partners were the leading wagons. I basically had no choice. I don't lynch partners and there was no need for me to begin in this game with Maria.

There were other options that had as much or more wagon traction as she did that would've resulted in a mislynch instead. In fact...I could have hammered Creature and we would have been in LYLO yesterday.

Actually...looking at the D4 voting...Cloud could have hammered Creature (who he had voted a good portion of D3) several times and spared his partner.

If scum Cloud saves his partner by hammering Creature we are in a LYLO of havingfitz, Rask, Jaack, Cloud and Maria. Which would have probably led to an easy mislynch on me D5 for the scum win.

Yeah...I'll read up some more but I'm talking myself more and more into Creature.
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Post Post #3783 (isolation #37) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:24 am

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Creature read through:

is an interesting post in hindsight.

Creature has votes on Sotty and Maria that eached reached L-1 very briefly, Sotty D2 for 3 pages and Maria D4 for 3 posts.

Creature consistently lumps Sotty and Maria in his scum pool.

...subtle Sotty defense by Creature.

...Maria has dropped in the Creature scumpool behing Cloud, GM/me and Hoopla.

...Maria back in top three replacing Cloud.

...
@Creature...
what did you mean when you said you'd be "flipping on my scumbuddy" regarding a Creature/Maria scum team?

...says Maria is least likely to flip town but on this gameday...never places a vote on her.

...the BV matrix says is either Maria and me OR Maria and Creature. fft

...finds Maria/GMme the most likely scumteam but is not voting anyone att and subsequent vote is on Hoopla.

...I know there isn't.

...Scumteam is Gmme/Maria and actually voting Maria, albeit with no one else on Maria and for only 2 pages.

...starting to feel GM slot is town but shortly after I replace in...begins pushing claim slip suspicions towards me (3338).

...Creature puts me at L-1 for what winds up being 56 posts. During which time Cloud makes several appearances and could have hammered me without too much backlash, achieved a mislynch and secured both scum to LYLO where Creature would have been a prime mislynch candidate for the scum win.

by BV points to Maria/Creature fwiw

...still pushing the "knew claims" scumslip theory.

...@Creature...if meta is your main tool how can you repeatedly ignore my extensive scum meta and place votes on me that jeopardize town's wincon?

To both Creature and Cloud
....is my failure to submit a N4 nightskip AI in any way?

...actually VCA is only useless if you are town. If you are scum, VCA is staring right at you.

Cloud...
Read Creature's posts // in order (ISOs 389-391). Basically where Creature says I am scum, Jaack will hammer Creature if Rask flips town, votes Rask. Rask=town...Jaack is gone...convenient for Creature.

I'm going to look through Cloud before placing my vote...but unless I see something very revealing implicating Cloud...I will be voting Creature. There is just too much pointing at him IMO and a vote on Cloud would be overthinking things and ignoring a lot of negatives towards Creature. Plus the fact Cloud avoided TWO hammers on D5 that would have spared a scumpartner are almost town confirming in my mind.

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Post Post #3787 (isolation #38) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:51 am

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The nightskip point is minor. I commented on it because it came up in my creature read.

Do you have any questions for me?

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Post Post #3827 (isolation #39) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:56 am

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In post 3809, CloudKicker wrote:VOTE: fitz
Ffs...... :facepalm:

VOTE: Creature
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Post Post #3835 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:16 am

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Goodles game Cloud.
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