I'm new and understand that. Mobile so no fancy linking but earlier itg in response to nacho I explained why I was scumreading vedith. I left it because nobody else pushed the read at the time, and day 1 I said I was willing to lynch out of the 4 people and one did get a couple voted so I joined and they flipped scum. Vedith wasn't really town read for me ever, I misworded that. I believed that frank and you were the scum so PoE wise vedith would be town. However, Frank is no longer likely scum, so that slot opens right up. Twiszted is the biggest source - vedith is mostly null or slight scum lean, but twiszted looked really scummy (I explained why earlier) and the combination reinforces scum vedith. I was never not willing to lynch vedith, but I'm new and the more experienced townies getting on board with scum vedith reinforces my reads. I don't remember 1161 to 1221 specifically by numbers and I'm on mobile so checking is a pain in the ass. Scum deers and creeps were never as scummy as vedith, I still think io's RVS posts are disgustingly scummy but I was told not to read into it as early as it was so I dropped that, and creeps I've reconsidered.In post 1369, Hiraki wrote:OK GUYS I'M BACK - I'M READY TO KICK ASS AGAIN, THE ULT CHARGE IS BACK:
Great! I would love to hear what you disagreed about! Oh wait! I can't have that opportunity if you just shout something out with reasoning! Wooo! Aren't posts like these SUPER productive?????In post 1307, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay that response from Hiraki tbh was crap.
OH! BUT I'M /SURE/ I CAN RESPOND TO THIS O-
Nope, can't do that either! Weeee!
Included, or the sole basis? Again, have you read Day 1?In post 1313, FrankJaeger wrote:VCA is included in my reads bro
It creates a huge bias in your reads that not everyone else can follow because only you know that you're town.In post 1324, TwoFace wrote:you hate it when people call themselves town?
Great! Remember yesterday when TwoFaceIn post 1329, TwoFace wrote:plus his posts today are very scummyliterallysaid that he just can't respond to my posts anymore? Haha! That was not irritating at all!
Because confirmed town are always correct, right???In post 1342, TwoFace wrote:and I think the VCA points to confirming creeps is probably town.
You keep asking us if we think you're tunneling and THIS is the question that you pose to Vedith?In post 1342, TwoFace wrote:why not look into people I am scum reading?
Really?
(citation needed)In post 1351, TwoFace wrote:He's done very little explaining.
What does this mean????In post 1354, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tbh this does sound like an interesting idea
Vedith's pushes today leave something to be desired
How do people's /pushes/ leave something to be desired? I don't even know how to put that in a more inquisitve way. It's like Gamma saw candy and said "Ooo! That one looks yummy right now!"
Can you guys really form solid reads and opinions???
In post 1362, Joshz wrote:ive scum read you for a whileIn post 630, Joshz wrote:vedith is null himself but i sr'd twiszted so its a push forward from that.In post 805, Joshz wrote:there is scum in vedith and scumdeers :*In post 828, Joshz wrote:I don't particularly like mathblade (no offense meant I dislike most people I'm an asshole) but idt he's scum. Yknow who's scum? Vedith!
VOTE: vedithIn post 829, Joshz wrote:This is mostly for twiszted slot. Looking at twiszted content, it's disgustingly bad. Vedith has idled and not been particularly townie himself, so while his content is more of a null read twiszteds was enough to make him likely scum.In post 875, Joshz wrote:It's not a fake read, you're scum. Stop diverting attention.In post 922, Joshz wrote:i have a very, very strong scum read on twiszted, and vedith hasnt exactly been a super strong townie. i encourage you to read through twiszted's content itt, its awful.Now, hold on - this one is important:In post 942, Joshz wrote:ive scrolled through the thread and isos a ton and i feel confident gut wise about vedith being scum, but i dont have a case atm that i can post so for now and i get im not being very convincing.
In post 1161, Joshz wrote:changed my mind a bit on vedith but i still scum read twiszted pretty hard so he is only slightly town overall as a slotIn post 1161, Joshz wrote:townier side/null {gamma, vedith}BEEP BEEPIn post 1217, Joshz wrote:still dont think vedith/scumdeers/creeps are clear but poe wise theyre probably town.
What happened between these two posts that made you switch your read from null/town to scum? Keep in mind that you hadIn post 1221, Joshz wrote:hiraki/gamma/frank most likely contains both scum, id still lynch vedith but apparently nobody agrees with that sofourscumreads at that time and Ved beats out all of them???? Huh???
And this is the official scumread. I think you have some explaining to do.In post 1290, Joshz wrote:yay for someone else scumreading vedith!
OK, so here's what I want:In post 1362, Joshz wrote:because other people are starting to as well
In almost every post that you call Vedith scum, you refer to TwisTed as being the BIGGEST source for this scumread - is there anything that happened between 1161 and 1221 that made you switch so quickly from Vedith's posting?
In post 1366, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If we're lucky Creeps will get replaced and we'll have another active member of the town.In post 363, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:As for Creeps, from my experience, he's like this and is going to most likely be a difficult read. We'll see what he brings to the table Day 2.
coolIn post 1378, Aj The Epic wrote:So this is my notification that I'm still reading and such.
A point is I think it's highly likely Joshz is scum. Eric Rasputin was highly suspect and what I've read on this page does nothing to make me warm and fuzzy about the slot. Specifically, drawing on the newb card isn't an excuse for bad play. New players are honest and easily readable as town, if not confused. Inconsistency is a great way to catch the differentiation if nothing else.
as for "drawing on the newb card isn't an excuse for bad play" cool argument... if you think i have bad play. i dont. i think my play is fine and acknowledging that im new to choosing people i trust to be townie to partially sheep is a good plan. your reply to twoface initially did nothing to make me warm and fuzzy about my already poor read on deers, but it doesnt matter because theres only two scum and you most likely dont fit into that. so, if you think im highly likely scum, congrats, youre in a boat with luv if his thoughts are still the same. good for you! now stay in his boat and lynch hiraki. or, vote me and make a case, but just casually fosing me and not commenting on anything relevant is a waste of time. 
I'd like you to back up the Eric Rasputin suspicion. You are a more than capable player, and I'm not really sure that I buy you misreading newbtown in such a big way unless you have a very compelling reason for doing so.In post 1378, Aj The Epic wrote:Eric Rasputin was highly suspect and what I've read on this page does nothing to make me warm and fuzzy about the slot. Specifically, drawing on the newb card isn't an excuse for bad play. New players are honest and easily readable as town, if not confused. Inconsistency is a great way to catch the differentiation if nothing else.
Cool - this is enough for me to put a vote on but his next post gives more substantial evidence.In post 1376, Joshz wrote:I don't remember 1161 to 1221 specifically by numbers and I'm on mobile so checking is a pain in the ass.
OK - can you please explain what's scummy about Vedith? You have never done that.In post 1376, Joshz wrote:Twiszted is the biggest source - vedith is mostly null or slight scum lean, but twiszted looked really scummy (I explained why earlier) and the combination reinforces scum vedith. I was never not willing to lynch vedith, but I'm new and the more experienced townies getting on board with scum vedith reinforces my reads.
Was thinking the same.In post 1378, Aj The Epic wrote:Specifically, drawing on the newb card isn't an excuse for bad play.
Are we being duped? Are you actually someone other than Eric?In post 1381, Joshz wrote:why do so many people generalize new players? they are not honest and easily readable as town as a rule. there is a difference between being new to mafia and being new to ms
I can tell you that in a game with more open minds, this is not a way for victory.In post 1381, Joshz wrote:i think my play is fine and acknowledging that im new to choosing people i trust to be townie to partially sheep is a good plan.
Yet when I made a pretty good start to a case, you decided to just reply on mobile?In post 1381, Joshz wrote:or, vote me and make a case, but just casually fosing me and not commenting on anything relevant is a waste of time.
Can you go into this? I don't get how you get this conclusion. Is your read on me linked toward your read on Vedith?In post 1387, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm less inclined to hold Hiraki as a townread after Frank's claim;
Aj isn't a bad vote either TBHIn post 1378, Aj The Epic wrote:So this is my notification that I'm still reading and such.
A point is I think it's highly likely Joshz is scum. Eric Rasputin was highly suspect and what I've read on this page does nothing to make me warm and fuzzy about the slot. Specifically, drawing on the newb card isn't an excuse for bad play. New players are honest and easily readable as town, if not confused. Inconsistency is a great way to catch the differentiation if nothing else.
Agreed
Like wtf is this shit?In post 1390, Hiraki wrote:Cool - this is enough for me to put a vote on but his next post gives more substantial evidence.
In post 535, Gamma Emerald wrote:OK just looking at Hiraki's last post I'm not very pleased by what he's saying. Specifically his ad hominem attack on TF.
That's not a productive way to play. Gamma has not ever explained this scumread.In post 1307, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay that response from Hiraki tbh was crap.
THIS IS BLANTANT MISREPRESENTATION! WHAT THE FUCK?In post 1397, TwoFace wrote:Like wtf is this shit?In post 1390, Hiraki wrote:Cool - this is enough for me to put a vote on but his next post gives more substantial evidence.
THE IMPORTANT PART IS THE LATER. IT'S BECAUSE THE POST I QUOTED SAID THAT JOSHZ HAD NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THOSE POSTS WITH VEDITH. I KNEW WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE BEGINNING BUT DIDN'T POINT MY FINGER OUT FIRST.In post 1390, Hiraki wrote:Cool - this is enough for me to put a vote on but his next post gives more substantial evidence.
Vedith did nothing between those posts.
JUST SO WE'RE DOUBLY CLEAR, HERE'S WHAT TWOFACE QUOTED BUT THEN TOOK OUT ALL OF THE RELEVANT PARTS.In post 1390, Hiraki wrote:Cool - this is enough for me to put a vote on but his next post gives more substantial evidence.Joshz wrote: I don't remember 1161 to 1221 specifically by numbers and I'm on mobile so checking is a pain in the ass.
Vedith did nothing between those posts.
