Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[Titus]

Game night tonight will plot tomorrow. Love the welcome.

[Titus]

I am voting.

UNVOTE: gerryoat

[Titus]

hi Titus
everyone pretty much thinks you are town
town is in luck
Titus' strength is set-up crackin'
rb claimed BP when at L-1 (but hadn't been playing like a BP at all)
trans claimed JK to "counter-claim" rb (which makes no sense)

You seem to have me at a disadvantage. I am not recalling any games we have played together.

[Titus]

Now, Titus is the only player in which I'm familiar with their playstyle. It was in Open 623 (White Flag), which I was reading because I thought that I was going to be in a White Flag game, and I wanted preparation (I didn't get in that game). They were town then.

Also, fluffy was town AF beforehand.

One game is not indicative of knowing me.

[Titus]

Oh neat replacement. If you get a chance on the catch up - What do you think of ironstove? iamafluffyrabbit and ironstove know each other irl so I think it's really relevant to hear what you think without the meta reads altering your judgment.

You get a free townread today. This is useful.

[Titus]

Both RB and Transcend are likely town.

I want TTT, Impoetic or Lil Vert looking at the VC.

[Titus]

I haven't read anything trying to counter him and a lot of people not caring to vote. That's a red flag to me on any wagon. It says to me that RB is a town driven wagon on town and scum want to use the chaos.

Assume RB is town, you think we could do ttt?

[Titus]

Transcend, answer the question please.

[Titus]

Why TTTT? His push on Gerry is a little suspicious but I haven't seen anything that's really given me pause.

Why aren't you voting a scum read then? TTT's posts since I subbed in pinged me. So I voted.

[Titus]

Why TTTT? His push on Gerry is a little suspicious but I haven't seen anything that's really given me pause.

Why aren't you voting a scum read then? TTT's posts since I subbed in pinged me. So I voted.

No one wants to lynch D7/Impoetic so I'm forced to compromise. It won't be for TTTT though.

Why do you? Why don't they? Why aren't you voting? It's better than no lynch. Do you need permission to vote?

[Titus]

@Titus
plz explain trans TR

The level of derp from that CC is town!Transcend.

[Titus]

Again, if you hate all the wagons, why not vote Impoetic?

[Titus]

So your top "compromise" is not voting.

I would definitely lynch Lil or TTT. Either one.

[Titus]

I am. You're not making any sense. You're claiming you have to compromise because your top choice won't go through and you're conveying your second choice is no one.

TTT just feels like a used car salesman.

[Titus]

Nope. I am the always vote your biggest or most viable scumread unless needing a reset.

Plus, if you cannot see TTT posturing, I dunno what to tell you.

[Titus]

@Titus
by my count you now owe me five more T's

Huh?

[Titus]

@Titus (or whoever wants to take a stab at it)
how common is a Normal set-up with both BP and JK?

That's the current newbie setup.

[Titus]

so nothing would make you think a Mini Normal set-up would preclude both claims?
or that it would be an unlikely set-up for this game type?
these are not leading questions; I've never played a Normal.

and you think JR set up a mod-wifom game?

I don't

so many reasons to lynch rb

Like zero.

This wifom game you are selling is a possibility in the newbie queue so it works here. Period. Move on.

[Titus]

Hey, I am not thrilled with you either Mr. no vote.

[Titus]

I should be voting TTTT no?

[Titus]

Vote TTTT

[Titus]

Vote TTTT

Titus - TTTT wanting a rivaling Gerry wagon looked like a way to try to get better data for VC analysis once one or the other flipped. There are 2 people voting Gerry rn. TTTT and ironstove. ironstove was the one who originally came up with the meta case on rb that got people voting him, but now ironstove is nowhere to be found on the wagon. If Gerry's wagon is scum-driven, do you think TTTT or ironstove are more likely to be scum for being on it?

Asked and previously answered.

[Titus]

No sale.

[Titus]

No

[Titus]

I don't want to lynch rb, Transcend or gerry.

[Titus]

You mean being an obvious scumfuck who is going to blame you guys isn't good enough. Ok.

[Titus]

all of you sheep me, if gerry is not scum I will hammer myself in the balls and post it on yt

Well ironstone believes Gerry is scum. Such a bet is illegal though.

Transcend, when both options are likely town, scum don't have to do anything to lynch a PR. With all three major wagons on town, scum likely have a thumb up their asses.

[Titus]

I don't want you to.

What part of making bets outside the game is illegal do you not understand?

[Titus]

Transcend, what if you agree to help us lynch D7 and then if he somehow flips town, we'll lynch rb tomorrow?

Spoiler:

NO.

Agreed here.

[Titus]

Think about how hard the resistance is to the rb lynch is.

That's cause RB is town and the wagon is town. Scum are setting y'all up for the fall. I only have one minor concern, but I am pretty sure RB is town.

What happens ifno counter? RB gets lynched AND scum keep their hands clean.

[Titus]

@Titus
why is rb town?
don't you think he'd play more responsibly than this as town?
like how does rb, a good player, play lurk-a-durk when he rolls BP?

You're scum and wagon analysis.

[Titus]

Congrats on all town lynching town.

[Titus]

Ttt, implo, uzi

[Titus]

Maaaaybe shannon

[Titus]

VOTE: Lil uzi vert

[Titus]

Scum would be picking a counterwagon I would be a part of if rb was scum.

[Titus]

-town!TTTT is widely townread by the townblock and would be a dangerous counterwagon for scum
-scum!TTTT has infiltrated the townblock and is securing their place by allowing town to lynch town!rb so TTTT can come back later and say "See, I told you you should have been voting Gerry!" (Gerry is being bussed)
-scum!Titus is trying to push TTTT already. This is highly unlikely, as this would make the scumteam Titus, Gerry, rb, which doesn't include LUV. It includes Gerry because if Gerry were town Titus would just vote with TTTT and try to lynch Gerry instead of rb.

I don't see competent scum trying to counter rb's wagon with a TTTT wagon.

Or all 3 are town.

Badically, I have zero incentive to hammer this wagon. All it's going to do is ensure I am perpetually ignored and prove me right in a loss.

Not my goal.

I would rather win.

[Titus]

If Gerry and rb are town and you think TTTT is scum then who is scum with him?

Iplo luv and shannon

In there

[Titus]

it's not going to get you perpetually ignored...wtf does that come from?

it's a dead-end day with a fucking LET'S GO ALREADY WAGON

you will be praised

scumtitus fosho if this flips scum

All the talk of lynching town rb is followed by lynching Gerry and trans who I townread.

[Titus]

Maybe Drone

[Titus]

^^^ My point in a nut shell

Rb is town, caring about the next lynch
The next lynch on Transcend, also a townread

[Titus]

If i hammer, I feel town has a zero percent chance of winning and i would be ignored

[Titus]

Drealmerz, get out of your own head.

If I told you your scumreads were never getting lynched, now hammer your TR, what would you do?

If you say hammer, you're full of shit.

[Titus]

Drealmerz, get out of your own head.

If I told you your scumreads were never getting lynched, now hammer your TR, what would you do?

If you say hammer, you're full of shit.

I'm not telling you to hammer!

Oh bullshit.

Titus rb team in your head is solely because I am not hammering.

[Titus]

For the record I am also not sold on Gerry if rb flips town, and I'm definitely unsold on gerry if rb flips scum. If rb is town my next strongest suspicion would be LUV not Transcend. I would like for a cop to check Transcend if rb is town though as I'd feel much better knowing his alignment than Sesq's, considering his activity in directing votes this game (leading wagons on some, getting votes off of others). scum!rb means town!transcend imo and it seems like it would be too town-skewed for us to have a JK, Vig, and Cop all in one game so cop could safely check LUV or TTTT on scum!rb flip without worrying about checking LUV only to have LUV get vigged in the same night.

Your slot also never voted rb the whole game I think which might be confbiasing him.

Who said anything about a cop?

This is a very high powered game IMO.

[Titus]

Well he was obvious town. I'm guessing he used his BP shot, but mafia has a strongman it seems like.

Why would you guess that?

[Titus]

I want to lynch Drone today.

[Titus]

Why do you want drone?

Because he took no real major stance on Rb and coasted through the time.

[Titus]

@Drealmerz, Scum we're not biting on my counters, so it strongly suggested rb was town. Given rb was Scum, my next thought is why didn't they sheep me? We could argue my options were mostly right, but there's no way all were.

@Gerryoat, The theory is viable. It's the confidence that seems out of place.

[Titus]

Yeah, well I have learned the hard way, people don't do the smart thing sometimes and too smart to be town is plausible. I don't think you're scum but I cannot deny my radar pinging.

[Titus]

^ To clarify, it is not passive and required manual activation, as per the wording in the role.

Could the bp be roleblocked?

[Titus]

@Titus
I'd like

your

take on this from a setup perspective

fix-a-derp

Punt. Lacking information to do so.

Right now, not liking lil Uzi vert's claim thoufthougthoufthough.

[Titus]

Ok autocorrect must die in this phone.

[Titus]

@JaeReed, Clue is the best movie ever.

Communism is just a red herring.

[Titus]

@Lil Uzi, If you're a one shot, you should tell us whether you tracked someone or not.

[Titus]

@Titus
play a game with me?
imagine you are scum with LUV
for [reasons] you agree in the PT that he should fakeclaim to avoid a lynch today.
What role do you advise LUV should fakeclaim given what is known about the game at this point?

I'm assuming it wouldn't be 1-shot tracker, given there is a flipped JOAT, right?

That's why I am not voting Lil yet. It's a play that makes no sense as either alignment.

[Titus]

It makes sense, but I want to hear him out. Worst case, we get information.

[Titus]

Imp is getting off easy here. His posts today are bad.
Iron continues to lurk.
Probably scum in ^there

I checked him, and yep, he's online today, and yep, he didn't post anything. Might as well.

VOTE: ironstove

Can you also explain why Impo's posts are bad? One Titus is enough.

Did he post in any other games?

[Titus]

sesq you not feeling the LUV lynch at all/that he's scum? he's much better than ironstove at this point

I feel like his one-shot tracker claim might have merit. With the JOAT before being all one-shots, it might be a trend. It's weak, but I'm not quite ready to place a vote on him yet. FOS though.

Did he post in any other games?

He did not. Thanks for keeping things up to standard.

Keeping things up to standard?

[Titus]

comment on your diligence at keeping all the things tidy?

but ummm, that's a great comment there after being absent for a bit...

I was hoping for more, like, ya know, why did you think rb was town?

and ohhh, what about LUVs track claim? you cool he gave it up like that, and did what he did?

orrr, got anything?

Who are you talking to?

[Titus]

you!

I was saying I think the sesq comment was about you doing the diligence to check on activity

I have been here daily, so why would due diligence be checking my activity levels?

[Titus]

comment on your diligence at keeping all the things tidy?

but ummm, that's a great comment there after being absent for a bit...

I was hoping for more, like, ya know, why did you think rb was town?

and ohhh, what about LUVs track claim? you cool he gave it up like that, and did what he did?

orrr, got anything?

I thought RB was town due to scum not wanting my counterwagons. The vote patterns are not making much sense to me.

The track claim from Uzi is non sensical.

[Titus]

Crazy theory I'm nurturing: Impoetic/Titus scum team. The main reason I am TRing both of them is a combination of the conversation they had with each other and relying on Transcend's gut reads. Problem is, day talk is on and that whole conversation could have been rehearsed in the scum PT. Rabbit judged Impoetic as town for how fast she responded, saying that if she was scum it would be really hard to fake those responses so fast. Also note that neither of them would vote for rb yesterday iirc (can't check on mobile atm)

Now this ... this is interesting.

It's also interesting that Titus is being deliberately obtuse, by pretending not to know that D7 was talking to her in 1534.

We can always come back to LUV if we need to, but I think we should push this for info. It's so out there it just might be true.

VOTE: Titus

I love a push "for information". Really? Cannot figure out my role at night. Sucks to be you.

[Titus]

you!

I was saying I think the sesq comment was about you doing the diligence to check on activity

I have been here daily, so why would due diligence be checking my activity levels?

nah
you checked ironstove's is what I meant, doing the diligence on that

how are you feeling about the time elapse of this:

It makes sense, but I want to hear him out. Worst case, we get information.

at this point? still waiting to hear more or??

I still am but I am in porn mode. I will know it when I see it. I want to know why no counterwagon. My gut says lynch TTT but it is wholly unsubstantiated.

[Titus]

Sesq, why do you think there was no counter to rb?

[Titus]

1 or 2 votes is not a counterwagon.

[Titus]

Why bussing?

[Titus]

oh hey thanks for pointing that back out to me

Because he took no real major stance on Rb and coasted through the time.

and your stance was so real! - "he's town, because..." still waiting to hear why you thought he was town

vote titus ppl!

Like I said, there was no counter. I want to solve why now.

[Titus]

Why do you want drone?

Because he took no real major stance on Rb and coasted through the time.

Yes, Titus.
Why were you lying?

Why are you dodging that you've been a lurksack since my arrival and just throwing shade implying I lied somewhere?

[Titus]

Drone said nothing since I subbed in. So he took no stance. I don't ISO for ancient history. He avoided the thread entirely during the wagon.

[Titus]

Did you not read the thread when you subbed in? He gave his stance on the wagon only a few pages before you subbed. He didn't abandon the thread during the wagon but at that point he wanted to let a vig shoot rb to prove if his claim was real or not, and in the meantime was thinking it was d7 who was scum for getting so aggressive onto rb after the wagon gained traction

I never read the thread on sub in. I might do ISOs but for the most part, no.

[Titus]

Drone wanted a vig shot to test rb's claim...that just gives scum an ability to make rb look town.

@Drealmerz, Nice word salad. Want to slow down, gather your thoughts and try again?

[Titus]

WHAT?!

why not?

you need to read the thread to know wtf is going on

VCs tell me that. Words are charisma. VCs are hard data.

[Titus]

@Shannon, will read that tomorrow.

@Drealmerz, I don't follow anything you're saying.

[Titus]

@Shannon, will read that tomorrow.

@Drealmerz, I don't follow anything you're saying.

I don't really follow either. Point is, read things in thread before making statement on said things in thread.

Also @Shannon, Impo was mostly gone during that time in D1, so it makes sense they didn't vote.

I read all that was relevant. Drone avoided EoD and now you tell me he wanted Rb alive.

[Titus]

@Luv, Yeah, D2 is ancient history when it is D4. Nice shade on not making sense, after detailing my position and calling it a lie.

@Shannon, A wagon that never went anywhere on a day we lynched scum is not suspicious. Ironstove is the only decent vote on your list.

@Gerry, Ironstove/shannon/drove, which do you want?

[Titus]

We're 1500 posts in. Anything before I subbed in is ancient history. Votes, not words, tell the story.

[Titus]

D7 is probably my strongest town read and he wants Titus. LUV has supposedly cleared me, and he wants Titus. SSBM made that interesting point yesterday about the Impoetic/Rabbit(Titus) interactions. I think that's where today has got to go.

I'd like to lynch within {Titus, Gerry, Sesq, Ironstove} today. Titus for the aforementioned stuff. Gerry because he was yesterday's second wagon which mysteriously never got anywhere. Ironstove for voting on Gerry's wagon, and then jumping over to vote *with* Gerry on RB's wagon. Sesq because of placement on the RB wagon and because of the interactions with Titus - I feel like that could be a bit of scum theatre.

Why is that scum theatre?

Also Titus, please re-evaluate your thought process.

As to what? Threatening scum where they jump on me? No thank you.

[Titus]

I'm going to go ahead and put Titus at L-2. I really want some proper responses from that slot and not just obtuse posts questioning minor points or pretending not to understand things.

VOTE: Titus

L-2

Hi, scum.

[Titus]

We're 1500 posts in. Anything before I subbed in is ancient history. Votes, not words, tell the story.

just utter nonsense

If you feel that way, you will never get VCA.

Words are charisma. Votes are everything. Period.

[Titus]

I am the universal backup. The mod did tell me the bulletproof was used. My role isn't inconsistent with a one shot tracker, just makes it highly improbable. I wanted to punt on setup spec until I could find a way to do it without outing my role. That's also why I had to sort Gerry and his knowledge.

Scum managed to rolefish me though. They wouldn't pile on though if Drone wasn't scum though.

So Drone/Uzi/one more.

[Titus]

Probably not Drealmerz as he is scapegoat.

[Titus]

No Gerry.

[Titus]

I am the universal backup. The mod did tell me the bulletproof was used. My role isn't inconsistent with a one shot tracker, just makes it highly improbable. I wanted to punt on setup spec until I could find a way to do it without outing my role. That's also why I had to sort Gerry and his knowledge.

Scum managed to rolefish me though. They wouldn't pile on though if Drone wasn't scum though.

So Drone/Uzi/one more.

Are you countering Drone's Neighbor claim here?
it isn't real clear.
And why aren't you voting LUV if it's highly improbable your roles are compatible?
and what does this have to do with sorting Gerry?

No. I am Drone's Neighbor but intended to play that close to the vest.

Again, you misinterpret (I hope). Our roles are inconsistent, but not unlikely. I never got attacked until I fingered Drone, so Drone is more likely scum.

Gerry claimed the bulletproof was used. I wanted to see whether he believed a strongman existed due to play or knew a strongman was in play because he was scum.

[Titus]

**unlikely but not inconsistent

[Titus]

I've only been telling people to vote LUV the past 3 pages

Why not Drone?

[Titus]

Hey, anyone going to look at Drone or is this one of those games where we play ignore Titus, call her scummy, and just carry on?

[Titus]

Drealmerz, I have no idea how you reach any conclusion, so it goes in the reject bin. As of right now, you seem to pursue LUV must be scum, so Drone cannot be. Yet, you are pursuing me? This reeks of more wanting things to be true than them actually being true.

[Titus]

Where did my vote go?

VOTE: Drone

[Titus]

titus

ever see yourself voting LUV?

You ever see yourself commenting substantively on Drone?

[Titus]

booomcha-deflection!!!

he's definitely scum if you're not

That's a conclusion. That's not being open to your thought processes. I am town. Yet, you will continue to just rant incoherently. Step back. Answer why.

[Titus]

Just read that a neighbour can have additional powers.
Her claim can be actually genuine.

But her ignoring my posts say otherwise.

Just what I have ignored?

[Titus]

Titus if you don't look at "ancient history" then you're scum.
Let me tell you this simply, I TOLD you how surprised I was when rb flipped scum, because I frankly believed he wasn't, or at least hoped he wasn't.

My thread avoiding? I didn't avoid anything I wasn't posting anywhere while I wasn't posting here, I clarified why and apologised for my absence.

You threw shade at me, you had absolutely no reason to.
Admit it, you thought I was an easy ml.

VOTE: Titus
Sorry Titus, my grass is greener.
If you're indeed town you should be aware of how low the rates of one of us being scum.
Your actions just scream scum to me.

Is this why you wanted me to not out our private talk?
The only possible claim Titus can make now is town Neighbour btw.
So no need to wait for their claim at all.

There you go.

There's no question, only your sass and rush to mislynch to me. I play how I am.

[Titus]

So there's nothing to respond to this?

Over the years I have learned yelling OMG OBVSCUM FAKE DIE MOTHERFUCKER DIE is not an effective persuasion tactic, but is highly effective at detterence until scum need a mislynch.

[Titus]

Of course that post itself persuades no one because no one is actually making a substantive comment.

[Titus]

Hey, you got a question for me there K? What about basically throwing all my cards on the table and trying to actually get people talking about my scumreads actually reads scummy to you? I cannot get an intelligent thought on Drone based on anything actually recent. Dude is coasting off wanting to save RB and I am getting chainsawed here.

[Titus]

2 questions for the neighbors: when you 2 were voting me, whose idea was it? When you two were defending rb, whose idea was it? What changed to cause you 2 to take opposite stances on the Gerry wagon? There is at least 1 scum in this hood imo, both of you answering will help find which is the one

The hood is useless. There's no real elaboration on anything and it's near impossible to compare in real time without reading oodles of garbage, which just gets mired in the same group think. I haven't used it at all. The only thing Drone has done in the hood is say OMG I cannot believe RB was town. He never bothered to try to sort me. That combined with his absence in thread made me certain I wanted pressure there today.

Getting chainsawed by Shannon Lil Vert and Drone is the icing on the cake, as that pretty much was my scum pool from yesterday.

[Titus]

Neighbour universal backup?
In a game with a JOAT?

Let's say it's not heavily town favored, then Titus wouldn't have wanted me to be lynched so quickly.
She could investigate me first.

I could investigate anyone. Should I just no lynch until then?

Lil Vert's role doesn't make sense with mine more than anything. I could possibly inherit a role with no use. Possible, but really swingy given the role i did inherit.

[Titus]

I didn't need you, I had Bunny to sort at the time.
You just turn all what he done into nothing, as I'm getting much more convinced we should be lynching you.

Is this the wrong game? Who is Bunny?

[Titus]

I'm all up for Uzi/Titus lynch.
The choice is of the majority.

Drone: I want to survive and have no accountability for my vote.

[Titus]

Oh wow, the inconsistent comment. Amazing how you find the time to throw mud at the person trying to get you lynched, plus lynch the gunsmith, after arguing they should cop you. You have been treating me as if you know I am town since I got here

[Titus]

I want to lynch you because you're scum, with Shannon and Lil most likely (but Lil is my weakest read). I am dead by nightkill anyway.

You were inactive at the time of rb's wagon and since I came in (explains no counterwagon) and you still have zero effort to sort me.

You also avoid directly referencing Uzi's own play, much like rb. You actually argued a bulletproof claim should be vigged.

[Titus]

@Titus
Response to this?

Neighbour universal backup?
In a game with a JOAT?

That's my role.

[Titus]

Oh wow, the inconsistent comment. Amazing how you find the time to throw mud at the person trying to get you lynched, plus lynch the gunsmith, after arguing they should cop you. You have been treating me as if you know I am town since I got here

That makes it 4 scum. If I'm not wrong with the initial number of players, there can be only 3..

It's a pool.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

@Shannon

hey what's your actual basis for saying titusslot/bunny's conversation with me was scum-scum? Seems like a really dumb assumption out of air. The only thing I saw from it was, "Well I townread them for it so it must have been preplanned."

I never TRed bunny outwardly when other people did. If I were

really

scum, why would I intentionally not vote? Why not hop on to the wagon when it was bound to go through? I think it's pretty clear why I haven't been voting, although my personality does contribute to it.

And it makes absolutely no sense for you to use it as an argument against Titus. Plenty of reasoning behind the titus lynch, but not pre-flips analysis. If you think I'm scum with enough confidence that you'd bring that point against titus, start another wagon on me. Should be easy with how little activity I have today, which you seem to treat as a scumtell.

They're scum so...

[Titus]

Gerry is town, so no.

If you won't give me Drone, I will vote Shannon or Luv.

This should be an easy wrap up, if you would listen instead of wall vomit.

[Titus]

I do not mind jailing Drone, but Gerry is town. If Gerry was scum, I would have been attacked while I investigated Gerry. No, I was attacked while I FoSed Drone.

So, if we do not lynch Drone and I check him, then I need to lynch his partner which is Shannon or LUV.

[Titus]

TTT, your post with font changes was really difficult to read on my phone. Can someone remove the formatting?

[Titus]

Ok, TTT. I don't get it at all.

[Titus]

Impo, vote Drone with me.

TTT, because they knew they wouldn't die due to lurksack shit. I have seen town once or twice post after they've been killed. Rare but people do post without reading.

[Titus]

Impo, you from northern CA?

[Titus]

If you're near Sac town, we should hang out.

[Titus]

OK, here's a thought. I won't claim it's a great thought, but it's a thought.

Titus, if her claim is genuine, *should* be night killed. But it's possible that either someone will step up to save her, who didn't make a save last night (maybe they're one shot) or Titus is scum.

Given what powers Town Titus has left, and how many of us can't trust the result even if she gives it, I think we should lynch her tomorrow if she lives. Let her give a result, potentially, and then lynch her to establish the truth of the claim.

We need to find someone else today.

Hi scum.

[Titus]

@Gerry, by pressuring you on why you believed the strongman I was investigating you.

@TTTT, I wouldn't mind a Uzi lynch but no one has given me a reason for Drone town.

[Titus]

Hey guys, can we think logically? Why isn't it possible for there be a

1 shot

tracker in a game with a JOAT?

Why would Gerry continue to push such a nonsensical case?

Because it's dumb with my role for starters.

[Titus]

TTTT, Now a reason for town Drone...

[Titus]

@Titus
I'll take another look at drone
Tell me where to look

His defense of rb. His total lack of contribution since I arrived here (omgusing doesn't count).

[Titus]

Fine I'll spill, I'm actually a 2-shot follower. Didn't want to give it away but you guys won't leave things alone.

Why the claim tracker originally?

[Titus]

Then why didn't you claim 1-shot follower?

This.

His claim seems rather planned, particularly with Shannon's stance of autolynch me tomorrow.

[Titus]

But if scum why not claim 2-shot tracker now?
I don't get it either way.

Well, look at what was proposed. Namely, I jailkeep Drone. Now that he's a "follower" he can claim what action I took instead of I visited Drone. It's a rather convinent change to make himself more valuable.

[Titus]

So should we lynch outside of Titus/LUV and have them both report actions and results tomorrow?
Would that work?

That's why LUV changes his claim.

[Titus]

Still waiting on any reason for a townread Drone.

[Titus]

Then vote Titus with us if you're town.

You are probably not town.

It's a wonder that you miraculously suggest a plan that has us not lynch you or Drone, and lines you up to kill your vocal critics. Coincidence? You expect me to buy that?

[Titus]

idk who Accountant is. Also nice santa hat how recent is that? What makes you think she's not scum anymore? I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

Rask input would be dope though, I feel like it's a rarity to see her alive Day 2, so it's nice to have her replaced in if she's town

Gerry's my townread, so why would I wagon him?

[Titus]

If you have the time, read Newbie Stop and Go. Day 1.
On the phone so it's a bit complex for me to link it directly..

Not tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

[Titus]

So should we lynch outside of Titus/LUV and have them both report actions and results tomorrow?
Would that work?

What if we get them to both report on the same person?

Titus tells her neighbour the result.
Then LUV posts his result.
The neighbour can confirm its correctness/plausibility
Titus can tell us whether or not the neighbour lied

This fails if both Titus and LUV are scum, but if they are both town or one is town we should get something useful?

This plan says trust my entire scumreads but for the scumread proposing it.

[Titus]

@Titus
you keep asking for someone to explain how drone is town
I'm not sold on town!drone, but others look worse

Yes, because of the threadwide refusal to talk about him.

[Titus]

@Shannon, You stop trying to control me as scum, lynch scum in my scumreads, and I finish the last one if you're town. That proves my ability.

Being a likely dead woman means I am not getting much use of my ability.

[Titus]

During the night Transcend was killed.

He was…

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini 1857, Transcend!
You are a

Town Jack of All Trades

.
Your abilities are:
1-Shot Bulletproof – You may activate this at night to make yourself impervious to one killing action that night.
1-Shot Jailkeeper – You may choose a player to jail at night, causing any actions by them or on them during that night phase to fail.
1-Shot Gunsmith – You may choose a player to investigate for a gun that night. Possible results are “Has a gun”, “Does not have a gun”, and “No result”.
You may activate only one ability per night.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Day 2 begins now!

OK, more questions about this role thing - -

If another PR dies, does Titus get their powers?

Transcend's death and use of the Bulletproof (if Titus is telling the truth and he actually used it) suggests a strongman (or ninja?). What are the chances that this was one shot?

Is Titus effectively a PR, if there's an active strongman? Like if she jailkept someone, would it stick?

With the gunsmith thing, given that it returns both mafia and cops as having guns, should we expect that we have a town cop?

Yes, i inherited Transcend's unused powers. I already said that. I am not a superjoat, strongmen bypass.

The rest, ask tour buddies.

[Titus]

Shannon, what information did you get from voting me other than my roleclaim?

[Titus]

Any plan that depends on me living is a horrible plan.

[Titus]

Shannon, what are your reads, what did you learn from wagoning me?

Ignoring me three times is a hanging offense. You're at 1.

[Titus]

Shannon, what are your reads, what did you learn from wagoning me?

Ignoring me three times is a hanging offense. You're at 1.

Don't be melodramatic.

I think you and LUV are both town. D7 town. SSBM town. Impoetic town. (The last two are my weakest two reads)

Scum within Gerry, Drone, TTTT, Rask.

Why on these?

What did you learn from wagoning me?

[Titus]

Impoetic, vote someone baby doll.

[Titus]

That's me in a nutshell. If that's wierd to you, I'm always going to be wierd.

Now, pass the vodka please.

[Titus]

VOTE: unvote

[Titus]

Twitchy mctwitch face

[Titus]

Hi Rask, you going to question me?

Dance McDanceface

[Titus]

Vote for sale.

[Titus]

Remind me of your SRs Titus? I'm feeling lazy on my phone atm

Drone luv Shannon

[Titus]

Luv is at l minus 1?

[Titus]

VOTE: Luv

[Titus]

Ever since inuyasha, I have never liked changing shots.

[Titus]

InuYasha is an old game where scum fake claimed X shot FN, after implying full FN.

[Titus]

What is FN out of curiosity?

Friendly Neighbor

[Titus]

Impoetic, why are you not voting?

[Titus]

Not a lamist drealmerz

[Titus]

Hey, there's the return of the old "Titus info" meme.

What did you learn by wagoning me to claim?

[Titus]

I got no result on my gs check. I am treating this as a guilty on the target. Result at midday.

[Titus]

Did you tell drone who you were targeting?

No. I did not trust him.

[Titus]

Lol, and what exactly would have done with that information?

Shot my target

[Titus]

With? Someone else have been targeted anyway.
Much to my surprise actually.

The scumkill.

[Titus]

You sent me the result when the day already began.

Right. I did not tell you at night my target. So you would not shoot my target or fuck with my result.

[Titus]

Gs no result, did not say which action

I am inclined to think my target is ascetic

[Titus]

That seems like an odd conclusion for what's confirmed in this setup

Limited shot investigatives, plus scum strongman (which is the theory we went with yesterday), suggests no RB.

[Titus]

What about scum JOAT with 1xRB 1xNinja and 1xStrongman to balance town JOAT?

Possible.

[Titus]

I had to read up on the ascetic thing, and OK, it makes sense as a role modifier that could give 'no result' to the GS investigation. Are there any other roles that could do the same? Is ascetic necessarily scum, or just more likely in the current scenario?

Prima facie I'd say that we should ask for a claim from whoever Titus' target was, and then discuss whether it's plausible and lynch the hell out of it if not. If the target flips town with no modifier that would suggest a no result, then Titus is a no-brainer lynch the next day.




I'm clearly out of the loop here, can anyone explain?

VOTE: Shannon

Why leave out I was roleblocked?

[Titus]

Dude, is my target your buddy? You got hostile awful quick after I revealed the no result?

[Titus]

No, I don't have a buddy. I also don't know who your target is yet since you haven't revealed it. Your claim and attempts to convince us the setup doesn't have a Roleblocker and indicates an Aesthetic seem fabricated to me to mislead town into lynching your target, at which point you can just say "I got No Result so it's not my fault they were town after all!"

That's a highly melodramatic and defensive reaction, to something I left on the table for the group to discuss. If this setup does have a roleblocker, then my result is worthless.

You seem to have a fair amount of cognitive dissonance to, arguing simultaneously that scum blocked me and I am scum.

Why the 180?

[Titus]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

[Titus]

How does "no result" + scum reading you = scum ?

No result suggested scum, but it's the rapid change in underlying thought.

Yesterday, the theory was scum roleblocked rb.
If Titus lives, scum have to mess with her. I must out my selected action immediately. Strongly suggests there's an ascetic buddy who needs protecting.

@Drone, I told you at the start of D3. I didn't tell you last night because you could fuck with it. The rapid votes indicate my target is scum.

[Titus]

But you didn't tell me whom, when asked about it you said you didn't because I could fuck it up.
How?
You told me the result, not target.

Right. I want to see reactions of town versus scum. I voted Shannon due to the absence of a roleblock assumption, which suggests scum did not block me.

There's something called slow play of information. I am good with it as cop.

See Wake's Role Madness. I guilted practically all of the scum. Only my first check was wrong.

[Titus]

If scum is gonna keep Titus alive, they'd have to do more than mess with her; they'd have to have some reason

worth risking getting roleblocked or guiltied

after one of their partners had been lynched day 1.

Also, we lynched nilla mafia. The mafia that leads the kill would be the second least-important member, right? And we think they have a strongman?

I feel like the mafia

not

leading the kill would have to be visiting n1, making Shannon less likely mafia solely because LUV was real.

Maybe I shouldn't try to take any of this into consideration when I'm so bad at it and know nothing about setups. Idk.

You going to vote yet?

[Titus]

Ssm, please hand over your dunce cap. Shannon is scum with the target of my check.

[Titus]

Ssm, please hand over your dunce cap. Shannon is scum with the target of my check.

Soooo let me get this straight:

You scum read me, and think LUV was faking a result on me. He flips town which verifies his result, but you *don't* check me for a gun, you check someone else. You get no result on them, but then claim that I'm scum *with* that person?

Yup. I withheld the name specifically to see how people reacted. I suspected my target is hard core scum, given the method things played out. I was just watching for reactions for whom would get hyper defensive, yet suppose I was not blocked as a possibility. The person I checked makes the most sense as ascetic, and basically needs to be lynched at this point even if I am wrong.

The player discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked, makes sense for the partner.

Doubly so given your hyper opportunistic chains. With an ascetic partner, they'd do the murdering.

[Titus]

I had to read up on the ascetic thing, and OK, it makes sense as a role modifier that could give 'no result' to the GS investigation. Are there any other roles that could do the same? Is ascetic necessarily scum, or just more likely in the current scenario?

Prima facie I'd say that we should ask for a claim from whoever Titus' target was, and then discuss whether it's plausible and lynch the hell out of it if not. If the target flips town with no modifier that would suggest a no result, then Titus is a no-brainer lynch the next day.




I'm clearly out of the loop here, can anyone explain?

VOTE: Shannon

Why leave out I was roleblocked?

[Titus]

Great. Keep your dunce cap.

[Titus]

Well rip.
This is why you don't prioritize lynching in the PR claims.

And why Shannon is scum.

[Titus]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

Waiting for evidence of town Drone before trusting him.

My target can only have 1 partner.

[Titus]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

Waiting for evidence of town Drone before trusting him.

My target can only have 1 partner.

If your target can only have 1 partner why don't you just out your scumteam theory and tell us your target later at least? Give us something because you sound exactly like TTTT says, scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative

My target is told to Drone. Unless you see Drone and me scum, it ain't changing.

[Titus]

It's 84 pages long and I'm in a lot of games already, is there something specific you're trying to show me?

Masons claimed together and titus pushed that it was a townie fakeclaiming mason with scum to protect him.
I was also part of a hydra in a game (Akame ga Kill mafia) a few months ago and titus pretty much deathtunneled that slot with a very strong conviction. Don't know her scum game but the sort of almost-ridiculous stubbornness you take issue with is definitely stylistic.

Enough so that that shannon somehow forgetting and acting like it's new from her here is pretty weird.

Yeah, I am stubborn.

[Titus]

You could argue it's NAI, but she's still withholding information from the town by not revealing. She's also not leading the discussion anywhere else, so what do you think her motivation is for keeping it to herself? It doesn't look like there's anything in particular she wants to discuss before she outs the claims

I am wanting the group to discuss things. The strategy is very effective.

See Wake's rolemadness.

[Titus]

Yeah, that VCA says nothing about Sesq's alignment

[Titus]

Why don't we color all of them and I walk you through it

[Titus]

I'd say confirmed scum rb being the 3rd vote onto the biggest wagon in RVS indicates town!Sesq, regardless of my alignment, and even moreso confirms it if you color me green, and I am green.

Scum being the third on a wagon is null as fuck without context. I call it the bussing zone.

Will do the analysis before, and there is one huge red flag

[Titus]

So overall I'm not sure that JOAT + 2-s follower is enough investigation tools.
1 jailkeep, 1 gunsmith and 2 follows altogether is maybe 1 cop's worth of investigation power.

UB isn't really invest but I'd still count it towards that from the longer lifespan it'd give either.

Then there's either strongman or RB confirmed via n1, assuming transcend BP'd (which the JK claim 100% suggests) which is scum power on the other side.

Unless there's an invest CC I wouldn't even consider titus lynch here.

What makes you think this isn't enough investigative power? Could be a low power game on both sides if all the mafia has is something like a roleblocker. Plus there's the neighborhood claim from Drone/Titus. You could argue that if one of them is town and the other is scum that it serves as investigative power for the town neighbor to discover if their neighbor is scum through a PT.

That said it's more likely titus was roleblocked than targeted ascetic.
Ascetic COULD exist and fits JK (not unreasonable) but follower flip suggests against it. Makes follower almost a non-factor and titus being roleblocked as claimed pr feels more likely than out of all targets she hit an ascetic.

Titus coming to the conclusion of Ascetic rather than RB does not make sense to me. She is supposedly known for being good at setup spec so I don't think if she had a genuine motive to crack the setup that she would arrive at Ascetic after seeing the LUV flip.

Setup spec is not in a vacuum.

Ascetic is absolutely the better option, particularly with a follower. It's not something I am wedded to but Shannon's sheer panic at this point and logical focus are more telling. She has seemed more focused on discrediting me and finding my target rather than actual scumhunting.

Take her latest shade. Titus is scummy because I cannot deduce their check that they are sitting on. Her actions are intellectual flailing.

The VCA will come laterish but definitely today. I need to head to court.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Day 1 Colored VCs

VC 1.01

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

Transcend

,

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

rb

(1)

: ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

drealmerz7

, Drone, TTTT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.02

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

Transcend

,

rb

rb

(2)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.03

rb

(3)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

,

Transcend

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.04

rb

(3)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

, Sesq

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT,

Transcend

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.05

rb

(4)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

, Sesq, TTTT

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

TTTT (1)

: Drone

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Transcend

,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.06

rb

(2)

: ironstove, TTTT

TTTT (2)

: Drone,

rb

Impoetic (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Transcend

,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Nooooo my pagetop!

VC 1.07

rb

(2)

: ironstove, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

Impoetic (2)

: Kohai,

Transcend

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

rb

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Missed more pagetops. That's what I get for watching a movie instead of the thread =(

VC 1.08

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(2)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

rb

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.09

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(3)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.10

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(3)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.11

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Kohai (2)

:

Transcend

, ssbm_Kyouko

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: ironstove

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

I guess sleeping was a mistake =P Thanks Sesq for the VC <3 It helped me check my own.

VC 1.12

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Drone (2)

: ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko

Kohai (1)

:

Transcend

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.13

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Drone (2)

: ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.14

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

Drone (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until 29th.

VC 1.15

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I need something new to put here.

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.21

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert,

Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.23

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

: Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.27

rb

(5)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone, Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Drone

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.31

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Drone

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, Drone

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

Spoiler: Day 2 Colored VCs

VC 2.01

Titus (1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (10)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

, gerryoat, ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

I'm sleepy. Like all the time recently. Because it's SO FREAKING HOT IN AUSTRALIA.

VC 2.02

Titus (1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (10)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

, gerryoat, ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Movie suggestions, people! I need some.

VC 2.03

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, TTTT

NOT VOTING (8)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Thanks, you guys are the best. <3

VC 2.04

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (7)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Drone has been prodded. As the prod falls over the weekend, they have 72 hours to post.

VC 2.05

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Titus (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (6)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

ironstove has been prodded. As the prod falls over the weekend, they have 72 hours to post.

VC 2.06

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

Titus (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Zzzzz I posted 2 VCs on the same page again yesterday. Apologies.

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.07

Titus (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.08

Titus (5)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, shannon, Drone

-- L-1!

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.09

Titus (4)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

-- L-2!

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Sesq, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

As ironstove has not picked up his prod I am searching for a replacement.

VC 2.10

Titus (4)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

-- L-2!

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat, TTTT, Sesq

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Oh, a pagetop!

VC 2.11

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, Sesq

Impoetic (2)

: TTTT, Drone

gerryoat (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.12

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: TTTT

gerryoat (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Pagetop? Pagetop!

VC 2.12

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

gerryoat (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

No pagetop. =(

VC 2.13

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

gerryoat (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

Raskolnikov (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.14

gerryoat (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, shannon

shannon (2)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, gerryoat, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.15

shannon (4)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.16

shannon (3)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

gerryoat (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.17

shannon (3)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: TTTT, gerryoat

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Titus

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

@mod

@mod would a follower detect BP activation by JOAT?

Thought I already answered this, whoops. In the case of Transcend's JOAT bulletproof, it was an activated bp rather than passive, and as such would be treated as a self targeting protective role.

VC 2.18

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

: TTTT, gerryoat, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.19

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

: TTTT, gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko

-- L-1!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.20 (FINAL)

Lil Uzi Vert

(6)

: TTTT, gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone

-- LYNCH!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Flip incoming.

Posting these w/o analysis for now so people can see them, also it's late and I'm sleeping soon so I'll analyze later. Impressions as I was coloring though are that Sesq is probably town and Drone has some questionable unvotes at times. Also players that were on both of the final wagons that aren't dead include Kyouko, gerryoat, and TTTT. Sesq and Raskol lynched scum but not town. Titus and Drone lynched town but not scum.

[Titus]

First:Lay out priniciples
1a) VCA should seek to clear players and create a pool of scum
1b) Any serious cw to scum gets major townpoints
1c) Unless in trouble, not likely hard bussing involved
1d)Dueling cw to scum are rare
1e) look at wagons that do not go through and why

Step 2
With the data, see available narratives that make sense. Note:Never voting is a huge red flag.

[Titus]

so I'm thinking scum would usually hop on a 4th spot in a situation like this and push the wagon along / at least see if it gets a little more traction...that they haven't eeeither means there is scum already on it and they don't want to double-down, or it is scum...

Or you know, maybe they haven't had time to vote yet? I'll have to go back and look at the wagon, but it's interesting that you're trying to narrow it down to either the wagon target or the wagon members, at this early stage.

VOTE: Drealmerz

Interesting move when Drealmerz starts analyzing

[Titus]

Actually I forgot why I was scumreading ssbm.

VOTE: TTTTT

Naked vote entrance, insists Drone explains stuff when all he's done is naked vote.

TTT and SSBM near lock town based on RB moves.

[Titus]

VC 1.09

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai, Transcend, ironstove

drealmerz7 (3)

: shannon, Lil Uzi Vert, rb

rb (1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Scum points to Impoetic and town points to the Impoetic wagon based on RB votes.

[Titus]

VC 1.15

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7 (2)

: Lil Uzi Vert, rb

Transcend (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I need something new to put here.

Gamestall for many vcas strong evidence ironstove not bussing.

[Titus]

VC 1.21

rb (6)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Lil Uzi Vert, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

: rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 toI lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Shannon no votes most of D1 and chainsaws rb. Let's get context here.

[Titus]

Drone technically in bus zone.

[Titus]

rb is at 5 votes, LUV voted after the VC, so I'm a little worried by how easy this lynch seems and the fact that transcend is also on the wagon is making me think that rb is actually town.

Dude are you reading my mind?

non-voters should be voting

Now that you mention it ...

Rb is L-1

Someone drop dat hammer. Cuff him up. Sentence him for life.

VOTE: Transcend if that suggestion is not scum, it's at least anti-town. Waiting for a claim from rb is not necessarily going to draw out PRs (as Transcend says) and it's just good manners to ask for one, for fricks sake.

Actually, I can see a way that Scum Transcend makes this play: RB is town. Transcend is like, hey dudes, totally hammer this wagon, OMG hammer already, best wagon ever, so scummy, five stars would vote RB again. So one of us does it (maybe Transcend thinks I want his approval and will do it for Transcend Points), and RB flips town. Transcend's D2 play is to point the finger at that person and say SEE HOW EASILY THEY CHANGED THEIR VOTE? TOO EASILY and point to the fact that 'whoever votes' is only doing so because Transcend asked, not for some genuine read, and that's surely scum. There he goes, lining up a second lynch but without explicitly needing to tie any two names together at the outset.

Also transcend demanding someone hammer before rb can even claim is scummy as fuck why the fuck am I the only person scum reading transcend? Like those of you who refuse to scum read transcend because 'he's hard to read' d1 as your meta read and excuse are fucking ridiculous

Point taken. See above.

Yeah, chainsaw based on playstyle.

Based on day 1:My recommended pool is Drone/Shannon with Impoetic.

[Titus]

@SSBM, You've completely forgotten someone in your post.

[Titus]

VC 1.15

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7 (2)

: Lil Uzi Vert, rb

Transcend (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I need something new to put here.

Gamestall for many vcas strong evidence ironstove not bussing.

Did you quote the right VC for this one? I don't follow

The gamestalls between 9 and 15. Thus, scum likely do not care which wagon goes.

[Titus]

Oh you meant he wasn't bussing during the final wagon

@SSBM, You've completely forgotten someone in your post.

When you reveal your target and it's not TTTT I'll quote where you contradicted yourself

Funny how you suppose I contradicted myself rather than check your own logic for whom you're forgetting.

Of course, that's exactly why I checked my target.

[Titus]

So you're saying you checked Impoetic then? Why is your vote on shannon if Impoetic is the constant between 2 possible scumteams in your eyes?

Reactions. But since the cat is out of the bag.

VOTE: Impoetic

Vote or Die.

[Titus]

I strongly think Shannon/Imp is the team but Drone fullbarrelling Shannon is my sole hesitation there given my half done VCA.

[Titus]

Well that invalidates iamafluffyrabbit and impoetic's conversation being staged D1

Join me?

[Titus]

Also too soon to join anything yet, need to read some things. Also gonna grab the Impoetic wagon at it's max which was 5 votes, it formed and broke very fast between 2 VCs

That would be useful to check my theories.

[Titus]

What posts are the intermediate VCs on? When does Shannon vote Impoetic?

[Titus]

Really, that's all you have to say to everything that happened in these pages? IioA recap.

Yes and Yes.

[Titus]

If scum is gonna keep Titus alive, they'd have to do more than mess with her; they'd have to have some reason

worth risking getting roleblocked or guiltied

after one of their partners had been lynched day 1.

Also, we lynched nilla mafia. The mafia that leads the kill would be the second least-important member, right? And we think they have a strongman?

I feel like the mafia

not

leading the kill would have to be visiting n1, making Shannon less likely mafia solely because LUV was real.

Maybe I shouldn't try to take any of this into consideration when I'm so bad at it and know nothing about setups. Idk.

This is Impoetic's only post today and he's ignoring calls to vote.

[Titus]

@Titus
I can see scum!Imp
I pushed it day2 before you and Drone dismissed it
but I still don't get two things:
1) Why didn't you reveal your target to Drone at day start?
2) Why is mafia ascetic more likely than mafia roleblocker?

I have answered that. We are talking in circles.

1 and 2 are both occurred because I felt scum jumped on me to save Impoetic.

[Titus]

You can give reads and claim.

You can also answer why you have done nothing.

[Titus]

VOTE: Impoetic

Mah finger slipped.

[Titus]

Why didn't sub out or do more ages ago? I have been nagging you to vote since d1

[Titus]

Shannon continued, read progression specifically

D2 -> D3 details

The d2 original wagon she said was partially for

information

(stuff like WAGON analysis etc) and partially for her behaviour. The former is we know as a FACT is not true given she never mentioned it again or went into detail as to what she got from it; when I asked she gave 2020 but she said nothing about any one of those things she describes there EVER, and she couldn't answer specifically what she learned. She said "this was my thought process here" when it straight up wasn't by any observation, and you can look at her ISO and see this. The latter falls apart when I look at it too if you actually read the meta I linked, and even shannon agrees in 2107 it wasn't anything unusual for what she remembers. So she forgot that I guess when she took issue with it earlier? So that doesn't go anywhere either.
Everything here kind of falls apart when I give it the slightest scrutiny but no one cares to look beyond the surface.

Then after that initial part where titus claimed shannon didn't say much beyond getting a ton of info about the role mechanics, trying to direct titus's night actions, and suggesting she should be lynched if still alive next day. But not really scumreading her and then ending the day on a gut townread.

Move onto d3:

Prima facie I'd say that we should ask for a claim from whoever Titus' target was, and then discuss whether it's plausible and lynch the hell out of it if not. If the target flips town with no modifier that would suggest a no result, then Titus is a no-brainer lynch the next day.

I'm clearly out of the loop here, can anyone explain?

So this is the first post. Don't actually think this makes sense if shannon's scum with impoetic ascetic; in that case this would be bussing which she later hard-backtracked on?
This DOES make sense if titus was roleblocked and shannon is okay with lynch said target. This is before titus revealed target. Shannon could intentionally omit the roleblock possibility if a town is framed in this manner.

Titus then votes shannon for the omission and shannon kicks into gear here. She goes into possibilities, then goes into VCA and brings up me+drone team, then into 2258 taking issue with titus's logic around ascetic (issues shannon would still easily see if scum, if partner is RB rather than ascetic, although this post is actually okay). She works hard here when under threat and I think one of her first priorities was to figure out if the target is/isn't her.

THEN impoetic is revealed, shannon says regarding titus 2309 (I have no idea which way it goes) and is sort of whatever on impoetic. I don't have time to re-read impoetic (2300), treat my vote as if it's on her (2316). Her issues with the ascetic logic and titus? Eh whatever after hearing it's impoetic. I would NOT go along with a lynch lead by my SCUMREAD especially when I just spent all that time going over why the logic is completely flawed and dodgy fmpov. What the fuck?

Impoetic feels like LUV where no-one gives a fuck and if he's town nothing comes of it and probably no one ever talks about it again (except that had some justification because his role claim retraction).

This type of analysis is impossible if you immediately reveal a result. I concur with Rask's thinking but Shannon may have wanted to see if the target was her partner. Only in rare instances, will I auto claim a result.