Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

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VOTE: rb

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VOTE: TTTT

You know why.

Wait! Actually you don't..

Welp, they're scum. That's why!

Mhmm! I was surprised myself when I found that out

OK, Nancy Drew, how about you explain what you are going on and on about...

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Actually I forgot why I was scumreading ssbm.

VOTE: TTTTT

Naked vote entrance, insists Drone explains stuff when all he's done is naked vote.

That's too many T's, bro.
I ain't that greedy.

and there's nothing wrong with a naked vote.

#naturistrights

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@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

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@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...

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What strikes rb as scum to you?

Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.

Spoiler: Like this never happened

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

Upon wagon collapse, he gives me a TR.

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scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.

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Scum Pool

rb
iron
LUV
Kohai

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Scum Pool

rb
iron
LUV
Kohai

Explain the Iron read. He's null for me right now.

I've recently been scum-buddies with iron and played with town!iron in another game
and so far this looks like the former

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also before i forget to say

stove actually isn't the lynch today

he's a vig shot if we have vig and otherwise we leave the slot alone

why?

Also, if rabbit turns out to be scum... I'm impressed.

@iron
you've played with rabbit off-site, no?
your input would be helpful here.

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stove should not be a wagon at this point but really the votes arent that important

as long as all town players start giving opinions on this kyouko/transcend thing ill be happy

I've been TRing kyouko most of the game.

I don't think I can accurately read Trans Day 1.

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can you give me some kind of basis for your kyouko townread

grab a few quotes or at least postnumbers

A few posts jumped out to me as ssbm trying to understand a player's intentions rather than surface reading: 246, 249, 283, 286, 287, 461 (regardless of whether or not ssbm is correct, the thinking behind 461 looks like something town would come up with).

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i actually need you to elaborate here too

if both games are complete i wouldnt mind links either

iron is better at town than scum.
probably not the right way to put it but he is kind of shy as scum.
Not a strong scum read but enough for now.

scum!iron - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68228
town!iron - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68854
My main is scum in the town!iron game above.

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I replaced into our scum game late (when iron was kinda lurky). So yeah, it might not be accurate for me to compare his late-game there to his early-game here.

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Oh hey, TTTT is Loop

Only recently did I realize I should have just reversed my main's username for this alt.

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@iron
get sober and try to be useful plz

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VOTE: iron

scum until he proves otherwise

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@iron
I thought you called in sick to work.
why'd you stop posting yesterday?

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Anyway, did you read my 712? If so, what are your thoughts on transcend/rb/kohai?

712 was good
Almost unvoted you when I read it
I said before that rb and kohai are in my lynchpool and nothing recent has changed that
I don't have a transcend read.

Were your drunk posts yesterday legit or for lulz?

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@iron
either that or what I already said about not feeling like I could reliably read trans' playstyle day 1.

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@iron
tell me your thoughts on 247
cuz you kinda ran with that without referencing it while also scum-reading me

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@iron
tell me your thoughts on 247
cuz you kinda ran with that without referencing it while also scum-reading me

Correction- you were null-reading me at the time

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Let's just lynch rb

You do not need my vote there yet.

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VOTE: gerry

I'd like to see competing gerryoat(kohai) and rb wagons Today.

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hey rb, I heard you like animated gifs...

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Why do you suspect that?

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VOTE: rb
What makes you say that Drone?

I was hoping to see improvement from rb but it never came and his iso really bothers me.
First he SRs me for something I feel was unwarranted, then he starts to show association first with shannon then LUV. He tries to discredit an already weak drealmerz vote, which I think is an overreaction to what is probably a weak SR. He mentions the game being boring and him being disinterested in the game a couple of times in there. I don't do meta reads that are presented to me so idc about the image macro tell that people are talking about, nor have I read any of the example games posted.

He tells people to vote me on 3 separate occasions, then when he reaches 4 votes on himself he suddenly forgets why he was ever SRing me and switches onto TTTT. Once everyone besides TTTT get off of it he turns to buddying the last person left on his wagon. I think the only reason rb dropped me down his priority lynches is because it seemed unlikely I would be lynched since Transcend TRs me. Not sure if it was before or after the announcing of the "block". He still wanted to vote Sesq/Drealmerz>Me>Impo, because the first 2 of us were the ones that flipped off his wagon and Impo was the strongest wagon at the time (at 3 votes). I think him putting my name on that list between his SRs was an attempt to look consistent and still set up to later vote Impo if she dug herself any deeper. He mentions a second time in 262 that he forgot why he was SRing me in the first place, which looks like he's trying to disassociate himself from it.

I just don't see him flipping town.

he wants to hurt you with pointy objects... sheesh!

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He tells people to vote me on 3 separate occasions, then when he reaches 4 votes on himself he suddenly forgets why he was ever SRing me and switches onto TTTT. Once everyone besides TTTT get off of it he turns to buddying the last person left on his wagon.

Where did rb buddy me?

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dang it. 865 shouldn't have had that quote.
was a reply to 864 but now i killed it.

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VOTE: gerry

I'd like to see competing gerryoat(kohai) and rb wagons Today.

.

also noting that this post was followed by rb going from 1 to 4 votes pretty quickly

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5/13 doesn't mean it has to have scum in it

But yeah maybe

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Gerry should have a bigger wagon.

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thanks iron.

and everybody look at the rb-voters asking questions about my gerry wagon.

not sure what that means yet, but look at it

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Loop thanking me is sus as fuck. Attempt to pocket has been mentally noted

my mama raised me to be polite, you goat-fucking shit-eater.



better?

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Gerry I promise I am not a redact.

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tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

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For the love of mith can we get some votes on Gerry so he actually feels the need to post his reads before rb gets lynched...

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tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

scum on the wagon hottakes rn pls

LUV
maybe trans or sesq

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the more I whine about Gerry votes the more votes drop on rb.

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You TR that whole wagon tran?

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That was for transcend.

Why does gerry read scum other than kohai slot?

I want a counter wagon for reasons. And his slot was bad and he won't contribute.

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the predecessor of the slot should have no effect on how you read Gerry

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It's no great mystery
we need a counter wagon to see how players react
One day1 wagon is too easy for scum to hide
day1 is a crapshoot and day1 votes are basically only of any use to town on day2, 3, etc.
I still think rb is likely scum, but we need more votes on actual wagons before a lynch
These lone votes are utterly useless today and future days

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@rb
can you show us any prior games where you are were 1-shot BP and also completely useless to town day1?
cuz thats my problem with this claim

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dreaml's lack of concern for the claim is pretty bad

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and how is my lack on concern not?

it is.
just less so bc of who you are

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rb is probably either scum or VT
don't buy the BP claim right now
there are valid(maybe?) strategic reasons to fake-claim BP here if you are VT

^this is not me trying to soft-counter-claim

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The dude who just said this

It was a reaction vote. lol

thinks this

is scummy.

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i don't care anymore about rb and trans
day1 claims will be sorted later
i just want #scummygerry to diediedie

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1088 was a joke or 1087?
or both?
this is important.

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if i were scum and i wanted to convince you i woulda claimed some weird shit like neighborizer or something with a night power that makes u wanna play on the downlow, not 1-shot BP

but why did you play BP "on the downlow"?

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hi Titus
everyone pretty much thinks you are town
town is in luck
Titus' strength is set-up crackin'
rb claimed BP when at L-1 (but hadn't been playing like a BP at all)
trans claimed JK to "counter-claim" rb (which makes no sense)

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Sausage
Bacon+cheese will be too salty

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@Gerry

1088 was a joke or 1087?
or both?
this is important.

?

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@Rb

if i were scum and i wanted to convince you i woulda claimed some weird shit like neighborizer or something with a night power that makes u wanna play on the downlow, not 1-shot BP

but why did you play BP "on the downlow"?

?

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And they always overcook it so there's a risk of taking a bite of burrito and having a shard of crisp bacon stab the roof of your mouth.

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if you cant tell what a joke is then idk what to tell you lol

why are scared of answering 1096?
and don't think I didn't notice when your scum buddy LUV left the rb wagon he failed to do the town thing of joining your wagon.
now I'm in your head, scum!!!

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TTTT you're focused on the wrong things. since ive joined all you've done is tunnel for no reason

This is incorrect.

I've also given breakfast advice.

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hi Titus
everyone pretty much thinks you are town
town is in luck
Titus' strength is set-up crackin'
rb claimed BP when at L-1 (but hadn't been playing like a BP at all)
trans claimed JK to "counter-claim" rb (which makes no sense)

You seem to have me at a disadvantage. I am not recalling any games we have played together.

It's no secret this is an alt of Loopdan.

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@Titus
plz explain trans TR

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@Titus
by my count you now owe me five more T's

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@Titus
plz explain trans TR

The level of derp from that CC is town!Transcend.

so you are saying it's more likely that town!transcend would make that mistake than it is that scum!transcend would gambit the CC?
i might be inclined to agree

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@Titus
by my count you now owe me five more T's

Huh?

It was a joke (or "posturing" if you prefer).

You keep calling me TTT.

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and I readily admit I purposely overplayed the gerry thing

but it's become more real the longer he fails to provide any content.

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Spoiler: gerry's entire iso

Hello.

It's me.

I was wondering if after all these pages you'd like to meet.

To go over.

Everything.

I'm almost done catching up.

gerry/iron probably not a scum team

I havent even done anything yet lol. Even if you slot read me, this shoulda waited until I outed reads.

Gerry should have a bigger wagon.

Are you a redact. I just subbed in.

This is my first scumread

VOTE: Drone

Let me iso rb tho just in case.

Also sorry if i'm slow in catching up, this is my first time subbing into a game

This is my first scumread

VOTE: Drone

Maybe you can post why this is your first scum read too since you're taking so long to catch up you're obviously being super meticulous so why not share your thought process with us???

It was a reaction vote. lol

the predecessor of the slot should have no effect on how you read Gerry

anyone who uses facepalm emoji unironically is scum 9/10 l0l

Yo, I think transcend is town. And if his claim is legit then i think rb is maf from a setup standpoint. but hmmmm. question is, would rb REALLY claim BP as maf? that's like the most scummy PR claim. Is it too scummy to be scum? Or is it wifom that we would all think it's too scummy to be scum and unvote it. anyway, i think i'm gonna vote this for now

VOTE: rb

All of this stuff in the spoilers. Just, all of it.

the predecessor of the slot should have no effect on how you read Gerry

anyone who uses facepalm emoji unironically is scum 9/10 l0l

^^^^^^^

The dude who just said this

It was a reaction vote. lol

thinks this

is scummy.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/joke

The way I see it rb is either town or scum

clearly high level scumhunting right here.

TTTT you're focused on the wrong things. since ive joined all you've done is tunnel for no reason

if you cant tell what a joke is then idk what to tell you lol

replaced in
said he would catch up
posted a vote without explanation
when asked to explain: 1087- the scummiest post of the game so far by any player
then jumps on the rb wagon

after

rb claimed with 1090- the 2nd scummiest post of the game so far
can't even answer a simple question about what he is joking about

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@Titus (or whoever wants to take a stab at it)
how common is a Normal set-up with both BP and JK?

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so nothing would make you think a Mini Normal set-up would preclude both claims?
or that it would be an unlikely set-up for this game type?
these are not leading questions; I've never played a Normal.

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@Gerry
I see you are again refusing to answer easy questions
And still waiting on you to post anything helpful to town

@rb
you also never answered my question

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Drone and TTTT you both are caught up on the wrong things again. It's obvious what a reaction vote is. It's obvious what a joke is. That is why you 2 dumbs are the only one focused on two trivial things. And TTTT that is why you are being scumread.

You haven't shared any reads
You haven't done anything to advance the game
Your first vote was an unexplained "reaction vote"
Your second vote was on a wagoned player after he claimed a pr
You refuse to answer simple questions
You've also implicitly townread me over and over

Gerry deserves rope for 1087 if nothing else.

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I could vote gerry, but, rb should be the lynch today ppl

it's such an easy wagon to read too, no scum on it, they don't want to lose their rb

flip this scum and lets' find the others

gerry is on the rb wagon
so there is that

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@drealm
why the urgency to lynch a claimed pr if you have another wagon you also think is a good lynch?

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@Titus
So what's it going to take to get you into a shiny new gerrywagon today?
I can give you great trade-in value on that TTTTwagon you are currently driving.

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then at least explain how you are voting your gut over a clear scum case on gerry

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@rb

@Rb

if i were scum and i wanted to convince you i woulda claimed some weird shit like neighborizer or something with a night power that makes u wanna play on the downlow, not 1-shot BP

but why did you play BP "on the downlow"?

?

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I don't mean to sound cocky, but I've never been lynched as scum on this site, and I've been the townread in every game I was scum. If I was scum, I wouldn't even be considered scum right now.

^still implicitly townreading his wagon

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Hey T-dog why do you want to see a competing gerry wagon?

950 kinda answers this.

here's my overall take on how it has gone down:

rb had three votes (trans, d7, sesq)
then sesq did a weird unvote (which rb called opportunistic)
gerryoat replaced kohai
I didn't like rb or kohai(gerry) and wanted to see what would happen if I pushed another wagon, so I voted gerry and said I wanted two competing wagons
drone and ssbm voted rb soon after
LUV unvoted d7 and voted rb
i said we needed a bigger wagon on gerry (I was still the only vote and rb's wagon was growing)
iron votes gerry
both LUV and d7 started asking questions about my gerry-wagon
then gerry started acting legitimately scummy (887 until now)
sesq puts rb to L-1
iron says no hammer take our time
i openly flirt with the idea of quick-hammering
trans says DO EET
LUV says please don't (but doesn't unvote???)
i ask again for more gerry votes so he will post some useful content before rb is lynched
LUV tries to convince me to not scumread gerry based on kohai
fluffy parks his vote on gerry
then the rb & trans claims come out
rb says he doubts gerry is scum
LUV unvotes rb
and then the last ten pages basically nothing happens


I still think rb has a higher likelihood of being scum than being town.
But I think gerry is higher
LUV also looks bad

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Also TTTT what do you think seeing these posts all in a row? Note that rb claims between 935 and 970.

if rb flips scum then LUV is probscum

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Wanna test the waters then?

not yet

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@Kyouko: Us is referring to me and everyone else who is scum reading D7.

who dey?

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@Titus
why is rb town?
don't you think he'd play more responsibly than this as town?
like how does rb, a good player, play lurk-a-durk when he rolls BP?

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I only have one minor concern

spill it

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you're wrong and explain the wagon analysis

the best case for scum!TTTT is that rb is scum and it looks like I've been trying to steer the lynch away
it's only my gobs of town-cred from my superlative play that has the members of the rb wagon trying to convince, rather than lynch, me.
either that or they are scum

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If he flips town, we're lynching gerry tomorrow, and if he flips scum, we're lynching gerry tomorrow.

^This


Also, this is my

intent to hammer

.

probably sooner rather than later.

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you're wrong and explain the wagon analysis

the best case for scum!TTTT is that rb is scum and it looks like I've been trying to steer the lynch away
it's only my gobs of town-cred from my superlative play that has the members of the rb wagon trying to convince, rather than lynch, me.
either that or they are scum

this was a reply to Titus' 1301

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@rb
i know you are reading this
give your final reads if town

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@LUV
I'll give you one (1) free town point for hammering rb before I get around to it
you can redeem 500 town points in day3 to stop me from organizing your lynch (cuz gerry is the day2 lynch)
currently you have -500 town points
whaddya say?

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ALT-SLIIIIIIIIIP!

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damn I love that elephant

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@Titus
so what do you make of Imp's return in 1324?

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Why would I try and convince you that you're scum?
Even worse, why would I want a TR from you if I think you're scum?

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uh, Titus might be on to something

if rb is scum then scum should have pushed a TTTT lynch when Titus started it

everyone is ignoring this^
I'd like feedback on the elephant's thinking

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rb has been online since the intent to hammer and still isn't posting
I'll hammer before I go to bed in ~3 hours
if anyone has more to say say it

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Hey my offer still stands if LUV wants to hammer
tick-tock
tick-tock

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VOTE: rb

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Night actions should listen to everything ssbm is saying.

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Titus is prob not scum

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@gerry
Your top two scumreads?
Now.

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Nobody else say a damn thing until Gerry answers this.

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Funny.
I was the first one on the rb wagon. And the last.

Who are your two top scumreads?

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What strikes rb as scum to you?

Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.

Spoiler: Like this never happened

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

Upon wagon collapse, he gives me a TR.

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Your scumreads?

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If you are town, I don't see why you are being difficult.

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I would say even with a guilty we should wait for his reads.

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I want to lynch Drone today.

This might not be a bad idea.

@ssbm
What are your thoughts on LUV?

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well hey that was obvious and cool

What is "that"?

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So "obvious" refers to Tran's alignment and "cool" refers to lynching scum?
And you didn't even read Transcend's flip until after you posted 1427?

PEDIT:

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@Imp
Plz explain why you failed to vote day1.
I mean other than voting rb early on day1 for a total of 47 minutes before unvoting.

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@LUV why did you give a result on me, given that it proves nothing?

bc he's probably a mafia investigative who couldn't help himself

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@Titus
I'd like you take on this from a setup perspective

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I think gerry and I might become BFFs.

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@Titus
I'd like

your

take on this from a setup perspective

fix-a-derp

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@Titus
play a game with me?
imagine you are scum with LUV
for [reasons] you agree in the PT that he should fakeclaim to avoid a lynch today.
What role do you advise LUV should fakeclaim given what is known about the game at this point?

I'm assuming it wouldn't be 1-shot tracker, given there is a flipped JOAT, right?

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@Titus, TTTT, and the rest of the final 6 voting rb with me - What do you guys think about ironstove and drone voting for gerry yesterday with TTTT? We know rb is scum so since the Gerry wagon was the next-largest there was probably a scum trying to counterwagon him there.

I have mixed feelings on this.
on the one hand, maybe they thought the gerry-wagon had a chance
on the other, I kinda find it worse that LUV jumped off the rb wagon and stayed off the counter-wagon, like he knew rb would flip scum and that then the counter-wagon would look bad.
there's no doubt I was baiting scum to push a counter-wagon in the event rb was scum.
at the time I thought the lack of momentum on gerry indicated he was scum, too
but it was pretty obvious what I was doing (at least to scum who knows my alignment) so it seems just as likely that they just stayed off both wagons or bused rb.
all ^this to say... I dunno.

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Damnit.

VOTE: LUV

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Imp is getting off easy here. His posts today are bad.
Iron continues to lurk.
Probably scum in ^there

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V/LA through the weekend.

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I am the universal backup. The mod did tell me the bulletproof was used. My role isn't inconsistent with a one shot tracker, just makes it highly improbable. I wanted to punt on setup spec until I could find a way to do it without outing my role. That's also why I had to sort Gerry and his knowledge.

Scum managed to rolefish me though. They wouldn't pile on though if Drone wasn't scum though.

So Drone/Uzi/one more.

Are you countering Drone's Neighbor claim here?
it isn't real clear.
And why aren't you voting LUV if it's highly improbable your roles are compatible?
and what does this have to do with sorting Gerry?

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Feels good on the LUV train.

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I've only been telling people to vote LUV the past 3 pages

Didn't I tell you we would become BFFs?

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What makes me doubt Titus is a backup is the fact that there is no neighbourizer. But I'm not taking the risk. We have a JOAT.

Why do you doubt that neighbor could be a modifier added to a universal backup?

@mod

-- Hypothetical question that you may not be able to answer: Are modifiers (if they exist) applied randomly (like roles) or are they mod-assigned to specific roles as part of the setup?

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@Titus
Response to this?

Neighbour universal backup?
In a game with a JOAT?

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Yo Titus I'm really happy for you. I'ma let you finish, but Imp had one of the scummiest day starts of all time! One of the scummiest day starts of ALL time!

well hey that was obvious and cool

transcend i did figure out you were town while i was rereading

= ( and i think kyouko's town too from what i've seen, but i'm far from finished catching up rip

rescinding the read on sesq

OH JEEZE there are already messages. Daystart flip was the last on the page so i thought it was the last post made LMAO

well hey that was obvious and cool

What is "that"?

Okay wait I don't think I ever absorbed who D7 was. Sorry for the dumb question, but who is that? Or do you mean like, when it hits 7 people or something? :s

predit: sorry oops, that was unclear. Transcend was obvious town and an obvious kill (in reference to the flip) and cool as in we lynched mafia.

I only checked transcend's actual role after people brought it up so i didn't see he was a JOAT immediately.

actually i'm not entirely sure what the obvious was directed at it might not have been transcend given my next sentence

i assume i said it on autopilot. I didn't really remember anything about RB, and though i thought his reaction was bad, titus resisting it made me pretty indifferent to that lynch, so i would hope i wasn't referring to that.

So Imp says:

yeah I knew Tran was town... tots figured that out on re-read (1427)
oops I didn't read the last page before posting that (1428)
also I didn't even read the actual JOAT flip until people brought it up on the last page that I didn't read before stating that I knew rb was town (1432)

VOTE: Imp

now it gets interesting...

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i hadn't read the page AFTER the flip

I hadn't clicked the flip, only seen he was town. I had assumed he was VT.

How did you see that without clicking the flip????????????????????????????????????

During the night Transcend was killed.

He was…

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini 1857, Transcend!
You are a

Town Jack of All Trades

.
Your abilities are:
1-Shot Bulletproof – You may activate this at night to make yourself impervious to one killing action that night.
1-Shot Jailkeeper – You may choose a player to jail at night, causing any actions by them or on them during that night phase to fail.
1-Shot Gunsmith – You may choose a player to investigate for a gun that night. Possible results are “Has a gun”, “Does not have a gun”, and “No result”.
You may activate only one ability per night.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Day 2 begins now!

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sorry keyboard is sticky

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@Imp
You are caught scum
there's no way out
no way out
optimal play is to self-vote and prodge 'til hammer


Just trying to be a friend here

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internet went down for a sec. @TTTTT why don't you read drone's posts???

what did I miss in Drone's posts?

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Spoiler: For Titus

Yo Titus I'm really happy for you. I'ma let you finish, but Imp had one of the scummiest day starts of all time! One of the scummiest day starts of ALL time!

well hey that was obvious and cool

transcend i did figure out you were town while i was rereading = ( and i think kyouko's town too from what i've seen, but i'm far from finished catching up rip

rescinding the read on sesq

OH JEEZE there are already messages. Daystart flip was the last on the page so i thought it was the last post made LMAO

well hey that was obvious and cool

What is "that"?

Okay wait I don't think I ever absorbed who D7 was. Sorry for the dumb question, but who is that? Or do you mean like, when it hits 7 people or something? :s

predit: sorry oops, that was unclear. Transcend was obvious town and an obvious kill (in reference to the flip) and cool as in we lynched mafia. I only checked transcend's actual role after people brought it up so i didn't see he was a JOAT immediately.

actually i'm not entirely sure what the obvious was directed at it might not have been transcend given my next sentence

i assume i said it on autopilot. I didn't really remember anything about RB, and though i thought his reaction was bad, titus resisting it made me pretty indifferent to that lynch, so i would hope i wasn't referring to that.

So Imp says:

yeah I knew Tran was town... tots figured that out on re-read (1427)
oops I didn't read the last page before posting that (1428)
also I didn't even read the actual JOAT flip until people brought it up on the last page that I didn't read before stating that I knew rb was town (1432)

VOTE: Imp

now it gets interesting...

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NK =/= Town

but even if, why would town post at day-start without checking the flip?

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I take it TTTT, drone, and Kyouko-chan were all on titus and suddenly flipped. Odd...

show me where I voted Titus

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@gerryBFF
bc the wagon has no support

If nothing changes in the next few days we should just lynch iron/rask for average scumminess and above average uselessness.

this post is 100% for realsies

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VOTE: Luv

It's worth one more push, I suppose

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@Titus
I'll take another look at drone
Tell me where to look

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What makes me doubt Titus is a backup is the fact that there is no neighbourizer. But I'm not taking the risk. We have a JOAT.

Why do you doubt that neighbor could be a modifier added to a universal backup?

@mod

-- Hypothetical question that you may not be able to answer: Are modifiers (if they exist) applied randomly (like roles) or would they be mod-assigned to specific roles as part of the setup?

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Then why didn't you claim 1-shot follower?

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But if scum why not claim 2-shot tracker now?
I don't get it either way.

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Then why didn't you claim 1-shot follower?

No reason. Tracker, Voyeur, and Motion Dectetor all are under the same umbrella so I just picked one and went with it.

Nah, when town lies they lie as little as possible

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I actually have no idea if that's true but it sounded good.

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But if scum why not claim 2-shot tracker now?
I don't get it either way.

Well, look at what was proposed. Namely, I jailkeep Drone. Now that he's a "follower" he can claim what action I took instead of I visited Drone. It's a rather convinent change to make himself more valuable.

that actually makes sense.

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So should we lynch outside of Titus/LUV and have them both report actions and results tomorrow?
Would that work?

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So should we lynch outside of Titus/LUV and have them both report actions and results tomorrow?
Would that work?

What if we get them to both report on the same person?

Titus tells her neighbour the result.
Then LUV posts his result.
The neighbour can confirm its correctness/plausibility
Titus can tell us whether or not the neighbour lied

This fails if both Titus and LUV are scum, but if they are both town or one is town we should get something useful?

LUV has claimed 2-shot follower
Titus has claimed JOAT with the JK and GS abilities left
So LUV should agree to follow Titus and report what action she took
Titus will do whatever she wants and report the action and target to her neighbor (Drone)
day3 they all report out in this order:
LUV
Titus
Drone
if there discrepancies we have scum among them

problems with the plan:
scum knows who among them are town and so could possibly benefit (for ex. knowing town!LUV is targeting Titus)
It's possible scum will NK Titus or LUV if either is town (but maybe not given suspicion on both slots?)

why it might work:
scum!LUV has a 50% chance of guessing Titus' action
town!titus' action and target gets relayed to us even if she is NKed (unless drone is scum)

not sure about this
help me think through it

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@Titus
you keep asking for someone to explain how drone is town
I'm not sold on town!drone, but others look worse

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so no responses means we are doing this, right?
and lynching outside Titus/LUV/Drone means we all agree to kill shannon.

LUV has claimed 2-shot follower
Titus has claimed JOAT with the JK and GS abilities left
So LUV should agree to follow Titus and report what action she took
Titus will do whatever she wants and report the action and target to her neighbor (Drone)
day3 they all report out in this order:
LUV
Titus
Drone
if there discrepancies we have scum among them

problems with the plan:
scum knows who among them are town and so could possibly benefit (for ex. knowing town!LUV is targeting Titus)
It's possible scum will NK Titus or LUV if either is town (but maybe not given suspicion on both slots?)

why it might work:
scum!LUV has a 50% chance of guessing Titus' action
town!titus' action and target gets relayed to us even if she is NKed (unless drone is scum)

not sure about this
help me think through it

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Shannon what are your actual reads?
No setup speculation. No theories, no "if X happens Y should happen", none of that. Scumreads, stances, opinions.

^this

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well if that's where we are then I want to lynch LUV

VOTE: LUV

HAMMEREED!

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this is odd conversation for twilight

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What?!?! LUV only had one vote?

Ok, I'm leaning town on both gerryBFF and shannon
Hurts to say those words

Everybody back aboard the LUVtrain!

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Sesq?

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I think you and LUV are both town. D7 town. SSBM town. Impoetic town. (The last two are my weakest two reads)

Scum within Gerry, Drone, TTTT, Rask.

you left sesq out.
what's your read?

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are we lynching shannon or not? FFS

the not

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1928's content is this.
not what you quoted, wtf?

screwed up quote tags
that was from drealm's 1932

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every time someone posts without voting LUV
satan murders a newborn dolphin
make him stop

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Damnit, ssbm.
I'm not even reading that because you just let satan kill a baby dolphin.

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@Drone
why is Rask strong town?
you were voting iron at one point day1
I know a lot has happened, but what specifically changed the slot from scum to "strong town"?

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HOW MUCH MORE SLAUGHTER MUST WE ENDURE!!!

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I warned you people about this.

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@Drone
why is Rask strong town?
you were voting iron at one point day1
I know a lot has happened, but what specifically changed the slot from scum to "strong town"?

Raskolnikov changed it.
He ain't scum.

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@shannon
Are you ever going to answer this?
I've asked three times

I think you and LUV are both town. D7 town. SSBM town. Impoetic town. (The last two are my weakest two reads)

Scum within Gerry, Drone, TTTT, Rask.

you left sesq out.
what's your read?

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@gerryBFF & @imp
why aren't you voting?

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@Rask
plz talk to me about Imp & sesq
other than your vote on shannon I don't know where you stand on anyone

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@Rask
plz talk to me about Imp & sesq
other than your vote on shannon I don't know where you stand on anyone

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Hey does anybody wanna hear a Hitler joke?
fair warning, it's not very funny.

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Vote for sale.

vote LUV
I don't have much to offer, other than a minute trace amount of gratitude left in my bitter, shriveled heart.

@LUV
same offer for you

PEDIT: He's at L-2

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@Sesq
you heard the man
sheep TTTT and vote LUV

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Ever since inuyasha, I have never liked changing shots.

I don't understand any part of this sentence.

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Lil Uzi Vert (5): TTTT, gerryoat, drealmerz7, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko

loving this
every last one of my TRs is on the wagon with me
and everyone off the wagon is null at best

one of you "null at best" players should hurry up and hammer

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VOTE: Titus
something isn't right

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How does "no result" + scum reading you = scum ?

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@Titus
I'm good with your slow-play if you're town
I get that
but I still don't get the no-result=scum
like why couldn't scum have a multi-shot RB?
wouldn't you have been the obvious candidate for a RB?
no-result=scum assumes set-up info we don't know

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I received Titus' target. Will abide to her request.

Titus didn't share her target yet.

make up your mind

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shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me.

you just hurt my feelings

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the gerry thing... it's just... complicated.
my own parents don't even understand

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I should clarify that the above is not a soft-claim of role or any other information.

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@shannon
After being null (or close to it) all game... I think I just townread you.

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The player discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked, makes sense for the partner.

hold up.
who and where did someone say they knew you weren't blocked?

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VOTE: Titus
something isn't right

yep

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@Titus
you brought up ascetic
shannon discussed it and said, "Are there any other roles that could do the same?"
I don't at all believe that 2140 is shannon "discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked"

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I'm almost at that point where I lock in a scum-read and spend the rest of the day whining and acting stupid until I get my way
almost at that point

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Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

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Why don't we color all of them and I walk you through it

do eet!

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Others should chime in on this.

The player discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked, makes sense for the partner.

hold up.
who and where did someone say they knew you weren't blocked?

I had to read up on the ascetic thing, and OK, it makes sense as a role modifier that could give 'no result' to the GS investigation. Are there any other roles that could do the same? Is ascetic necessarily scum, or just more likely in the current scenario?

Prima facie I'd say that we should ask for a claim from whoever Titus' target was, and then discuss whether it's plausible and lynch the hell out of it if not. If the target flips town with no modifier that would suggest a no result, then Titus is a no-brainer lynch the next day.




I'm clearly out of the loop here, can anyone explain?

VOTE: Shannon

Why leave out I was roleblocked?

@Titus
you brought up ascetic
shannon discussed it and said, "Are there any other roles that could do the same?"
I don't at all believe that 2140 is shannon "discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked"

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that's right folks... the big reveal is... Titus targeted

herself!

Mind. Blown.

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something isn't right about day3
I feel like I'm being sold hot diarrhea in a paper cup

@Titus
I can see scum!Imp
I pushed it day2 before you and Drone dismissed it
but I still don't get two things:
1) Why didn't you reveal your target to Drone

at day start

?
2) Why is mafia ascetic more likely than mafia roleblocker?

@ssbm
why acquiesce so easily to Titus after all your doubts?
it's like you were only pushing scum!Titus when you thought you were her target

@GerryBFF
where are you?

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@Titus
I can see scum!Imp
I pushed it day2 before you and Drone dismissed it
but I still don't get two things:
1) Why didn't you reveal your target to Drone at day start?
2) Why is mafia ascetic more likely than mafia roleblocker?

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VOTE: Imp

L-1

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@Titus: If I recall correctly I thought you were scummier than some others day 1 primarily due to townreading RB and your claim being a powerful PR in a mini normal (which shouldn't have too many, I think? not sure) when you were about to get lynched, but felt/feel hesitant actually stating that

You thought Titus was scummy during day1 for TRing RB?
That implies your day1 thoughts leaned to rb being scum
just read your day1 iso and nope
you literally took no stance on either Titus or rb day1
when rb was at L-1 you wrote 1324
That's it.

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I'd really like it if we could agree on a course of action going forward, or at least a general strategy, for both possible results of this flip.

No.

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I need rask and gerryBFF to take a stance on Impo before the hammer

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@Titus: If I recall correctly I thought you were scummier than some others day 1 primarily due to townreading RB and your claim being a powerful PR in a mini normal (which shouldn't have too many, I think? not sure) when you were about to get lynched, but felt/feel hesitant actually stating that

You thought Titus was scummy during day1 for TRing RB?
That implies your day1 thoughts leaned to rb being scum
just read your day1 iso and nope
you literally took no stance on either Titus or rb day1
when rb was at L-1 you wrote 1324
That's it.

that was d2

No it wasn't.
unless by "that" you mean something other than what we are talking about...

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All I want for Christmas:
Sesq, Rask, and gerryBFF to take a stand on Imp
someone to hammer

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UNVOTE:

@Titus
why'd you choose to use your GS rather than JK?

I'll be V/LA until Dec. 26

but I have a chance to check in now and then.

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Well look how active Imp has become.

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Also disregard that I was associating him and Kohai(Gerry) together because if Drone's scum it's with Titus unless he flips as a Mafia Neighbor, in which case Titus can be confirmed town

I might support this info lynch

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VLA for the next 24 hours

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VOTE: Imp

L-1

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@TTTT what are your scumreads?

Imp
Titus
But not together

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Also could you go into your shannon read?

She's been nullish to lean-town most of the game
I haven't paid much attention to the slot
If I'm scum that's my partner though, right?

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Welcome shad my scumbro!
I agree that the no result is not a good reason for voting your slot.
since you've been following along, got any overall reads?

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why did you think ssbm was scum on day1?
what do you mean by "game progressed strangely"?
also, is your partner Rask or Sesq?

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I'm voting Imp/Shad
Shad says Titus' reason for the wagon is bad
I agree
shad fails to follow-up on my reasons for voting his slot.