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[TwoFace]

Vote Creeps, Ari!

Creeps is pretty much off the table today given he was the counter to fitz/hiraki

Smart play is lynch hiraki today

[Aristophanes]

Vote Creeps, Ari!

Just did a quick Iso look and forgot how much I actually want to vote this slot. Also, Fitz comes up 21 times in his ISO, all in quotes of others talking about for where Creeps doesn't mention that part of the post. He once says he doesn't have a scumread on Fitz and that he won't sheep, attaching some digression about shepherds to it.

I'll join you.

VOTE: Creeps

[Aristophanes]

Vote Creeps, Ari!

Creeps is pretty much off the table today given he was the counter to fitz/hiraki

Smart play is lynch hiraki today

Why Hiraki?

[TwoFace]

cause he makes most sense to me as scum buddy with fitz

[TwoFace]

plus his posts today are very scummy

[Aristophanes]

you hate it when people call themselves town?

We actually have proof of it though. Fitz flipped scum

No, I hate it when people act as if they are conftown when they are not. The only one who knows you are town is you, so in a public VCA, you should be assumed unknown. Making yourself the same colour as the masons is a bold statement, and coupled with your adding yourself to Futz's wagon "In spirit" despite not being there really makes me think you're trying too hard to convince yourself you are town so you may appear that way.

Yes Fitz flipped scum, but how did this conftown you?

[TwoFace]

Yes Fitz flipped scum, but how did this conftown you?

[Aristophanes]

cause he makes most sense to me as scum buddy with fitz

You were already tunneled on him and I haven't seen any progression from you.

plus his posts today are very scummy

Which ones? In what way?

Toy mention him a lot as being scum, but never actually say why. Heck, you only quite him once and have no actual interactions with him today. Tbqh your read and push on him are unexplained and look Hella weak.

[Aristophanes]

Yes Fitz flipped scum, but how did this conftown you?

If this and "because I started/pushed his wagon" are all you have, I think you need to redefine your definition of conftown.

[Vedith]

Don't get me wrong, TwoFace is town, but he's not confirmed town at all (2 different things).

@TwoFace - Tell me what your opinion is of all the interaction between Creeps and Fritz day 1.

[TwoFace]

Which ones? In what way?

Toy mention him a lot as being scum, but never actually say why. Heck, you only quite him once and have no actual interactions with him today. Tbqh your read and push on him are unexplained and look Hella weak.

actually I mention 2 of his posts and call them both scummy

1220 is me calling his 1219 bad. why is it scummy? read it it's self explanatory. It's a garbage post, one I don't see town making. Discrediting frank, and his response to me. neither of those look town

1309 is me referring to his 1304 - again, it's self explanatory. It's a post i don't see town making. -Again discredits frank and his reaction to uzi is also not very good. neither of those look town

I also explained that creeps is the counter to hiraki and the hiraki/fitz interactions look very much like scum buddies

but then again you're voting creeps which is most likely a mislynch and your reasons for sr'ing him are weaker than mine so excuse me if I don't climb aboard that wagon.

[TwoFace]

If this and "because I started/pushed his wagon" are all you have, I think you need to redefine your definition of conftown.

nope my definition is fine. but there is a very good chance you could be scum with fitz so I see why you would need to try and cast shade on me

[TwoFace]

@TwoFace - Tell me what your opinion is of all the interaction between Creeps and Fritz day 1

creeps was basically the counter to hiraki/fitz so looking at that and those on the wagon, creeps is off the table for me today.

creeps was a PL day 1, and still feels like one today especially given who flipped.


if you think I am missing something, make a good case but until i see something that doesn't read like a policy lynch i'm sticking with my gut. it's working well for me right now

[Nachomamma8]

Vote Creeps, Ari!

Just did a quick Iso look and forgot how much I actually want to vote this slot. Also, Fitz comes up 21 times in his ISO, all in quotes of others talking about for where Creeps doesn't mention that part of the post. He once says he doesn't have a scumread on Fitz and that he won't sheep, attaching some digression about shepherds to it.

I'll join you.

VOTE: Creeps

Why Creeps?

[Vedith]

@TwoFace - Let me ask again...
Tell me what your opinion is of all the

interaction between

Creeps

and

Fritz

day 1

I do not care if you think it was the 'counter' wagon. If it's a PL, it's not a counter wagon imo, and neither was Fritz pushing it. I want to know your view on how they reacted to each other.

[TwoFace]

i'm not going to waste my time looking at their interactions right now, and I don't really remember them.

[Vedith]

i'm not going to waste my time looking at their interactions right now, and I don't really remember them.

Considering it has an impact of the game, why are you not interested in looking into it?

[TwoFace]

If I think creeps is town already, and I think the VCA points to confirming creeps is probably town. Why would I look into it further? why not look into people I am scum reading?

[TwoFace]

So help me out vedith. If the interactions between fitz/creeps looked bad to you, why not start pushing creeps? You basically go after frank for suggesting you could be scum which doesn't really make me trust your reads.

If scum bussed i would bet vedith but nothing to back that up currently

I had him as scum all day yesterday.
This post just reads as "Lets push else where to divert attention from me not voting there."

VOTE: Frank
GTFO.

TwoFace is confirm town for me and Math is a smart enough player to see that as well. Scum more than likely attacked TwoFace and Math protected there.

VOTE: Creeps
Hiraki is town.

If you see some sort of connection, why not just do the leg work for us?

[TwoFace]

I also really need you to explain this town read on hiraki at some point also.

[Vedith]

If I think creeps is town already, and I think the VCA points to confirming creeps is probably town. Why would I look into it further? why not look into people I am scum reading?

Because then you get tunneled vision and your reads never progress.
How do I mafia?

[Vedith]

I also really need you to explain this town read on hiraki at some point also.

I can't for reasons... Take that as you like but I can answer at a later date.

[TwoFace]

I also really need you to explain this town read on hiraki at some point also.

I can't for reasons... Take that as you like but I can answer at a later date.

Nope. Only "reasons" you could possibly have is pr clear which given what's been claimed isn't possible imo so I'm going to need you to explain how his interactions with fitz aren't scummy and creep the counter wagon to both of them is.

[TwoFace]

If I think creeps is town already, and I think the VCA points to confirming creeps is probably town. Why would I look into it further? why not look into people I am scum reading?

Because then you get tunneled vision and your reads never progress.
How do I mafia?

If this was late game maybe you have a point it's day 2 after a scum flip and info suggests creeps was the hard mislynch. What happened after? Fitz got lynched.

If it really is creeps/fitz, awesome but the resistance to hiraki suggests it's more likely hiraki/fitz

[TwoFace]

But hey. I'm a reasonable man.

Somebody show me how fitz/creeps makes more sense than fitz/hiraki and I'll read it over.