Mini Normal 1861: Musical Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[-Grey-]

Grey's vote was opportunistic.

Vote Grey

Speaking of voting, yours was hypocritical.

At four pages into a game, EVERY vote is opportunistic. Including yours.

[Io]

Io, ignoring that for now, what are your thoughts on the massive/Newman/Flub situation?

Well situation implies they are connected which they certainly aren't.

Newman's town but the scummiest of the group solely, not that he had other content, from the push that the only way Cloud could have been replaced is if he was Mafia hard bussing. His reason for the initial tunnel was also pretty trash with it just being that he claimed scum which no one should even take seriously. The other part of his scum read of Cloud that they were overly pushing the town slip was OK and a valid argument I think. The reason I think he's not scum pushing for 2 mislynches, as he's pushing to lynch both of you, is just because of how genuine he is in the push itself. He is stubborn, but not scum.

Flubber I just don't really know about to be honest. He shares no read with me, and was very quick to town read AJ who I think is scum. Leaning scum though which would make me think Massive is town because he's done a few quick jabs on him, 2 and the RVS.

Side note, I'm not even that confident you are town either. I'm getting the Aj & Culted scum team vibe with wither Mini or Flubber
Culted just really doesn't ever talk about AJ unless it was asking me to explain the AJ scum read, which Culted also said that other people asked so I don't see why Culted would have felt the need to talk about it. Then the only times he talked about you was at the very beginning asking for a read, something which I personally just notice a lot of scum do to partners they feel wont be too active or slightly scummy, then later on the talked about you and Flubber being TvT which is what is making me think one of you are scum. Culted is mostly a slight scum read for the lack of interactions with my stronger scum read and their overly nice behavior also just kind of feels disgenuine.
Honestly though I'm more confident that AJ and Culted are a scum team than you Mini. That's mostly because you're play style right now is basically mimicking how you played in 658, and it's not like I really disagree with you a ton. Though you and Culted do look pretty buddyey right now.

[Io]

Pretty confident in Newman, Grey, and kai being town.
To lesser extent Shadow and Massive.

[I Am Innocent]

That being said (as I've highlighted already) Saj is doing very little

That's kind of part of his meta on Day 1.

I assume you mean his town meta? How is his scum meta different?

As of this post, my top 3 scum reads are Jin, IO, & Newman.

How did i get lumped in your scumreads? Is there reasoning?

Cause I'm a good scum hunter and you are apparently bad as scum.

That being said (as I've highlighted already) Saj is doing very little

That's kind of part of his meta on Day 1.

I assume you mean his town meta? How is his scum meta different?

As of this post, my top 3 scum reads are Jin, IO, & Newman.

Why aren't you voting one of them, then?

Can I finish my catchup first? Make sure I still feel good about this list as I still have 12 pages to go.

Grey's vote was opportunistic.

Vote Grey

Speaking of voting, yours was hypocritical.

At four pages into a game, EVERY vote is opportunistic. Including yours.

This post of mine was out there for five days, why are you just responding to it now?

[-Grey-]

This post of mine was out there for five days, why are you just responding to it now?

What do you expect that question to accomplish?

Do you think scum or town are more/less likely to miss a post?

[Aj The Epic]

Io, ignoring that for now, what are your thoughts on the massive/Newman/Flub situation?

Well situation implies they are connected which they certainly aren't.

Newman's town but the scummiest of the group solely, not that he had other content, from the push that the only way Cloud could have been replaced is if he was Mafia hard bussing. His reason for the initial tunnel was also pretty trash with it just being that he claimed scum which no one should even take seriously. The other part of his scum read of Cloud that they were overly pushing the town slip was OK and a valid argument I think. The reason I think he's not scum pushing for 2 mislynches, as he's pushing to lynch both of you, is just because of how genuine he is in the push itself. He is stubborn, but not scum.

Flubber I just don't really know about to be honest. He shares no read with me, and was very quick to town read AJ who I think is scum. Leaning scum though which would make me think Massive is town because he's done a few quick jabs on him, 2 and the RVS.

Side note, I'm not even that confident you are town either. I'm getting the Aj & Culted scum team vibe with wither Mini or Flubber
Culted just really doesn't ever talk about AJ unless it was asking me to explain the AJ scum read, which Culted also said that other people asked so I don't see why Culted would have felt the need to talk about it. Then the only times he talked about you was at the very beginning asking for a read, something which I personally just notice a lot of scum do to partners they feel wont be too active or slightly scummy, then later on the talked about you and Flubber being TvT which is what is making me think one of you are scum. Culted is mostly a slight scum read for the lack of interactions with my stronger scum read and their overly nice behavior also just kind of feels disgenuine.
Honestly though I'm more confident that AJ and Culted are a scum team than you Mini. That's mostly because you're play style right now is basically mimicking how you played in 658, and it's not like I really disagree with you a ton. Though you and Culted do look pretty buddyey right now.

And yet your strong scum read has no explanation backing it and you haven't addressed your own blunder (the 'time traveler' issue). Your entire scum/town read is based on an idea that I'm scum, who you've yet to give a reason for in 400 in-game posts. Now associative tells are cool and all but they require a flip, and you're so very far off base to begin with that you've drawn up three additional possible scum reads with no flip and no stated reason on why you think I'm scum. You've already called out an entire group to lynch through, day 1, no flips on 'associative tells'.

Also your post serves to have another contradiction. In the first line, you state Newman is the scummiest of the group, but town. Then you state Flubber is scum, who was part of the three in the first group. Actually through your entire post, you waffle on this scum/town read on Flubber. You don't have a definitive opinion on him, and basically go from town to scum in all the shades of the rainbow in one post.

Lastly, burden of proof's on you to EXPLAIN some of this. You've got some reads that are unpopular. Really, as I've stated, this starts with you explaining why I'm scum, and then showing interactions if associative tells are really your only shows altogether.

[I Am Innocent]

This post of mine was out there for five days, why are you just responding to it now?

What do you expect that question to accomplish?

Do you think scum or town are more/less likely to miss a post?

I expect to try to find what your agenda is. Are you saying you missed a vote on you back on page 4? Then missed my name next to yours each vote count thereafter?

[-Grey-]

This post of mine was out there for five days, why are you just responding to it now?

What do you expect that question to accomplish?

Do you thinks scum or town are more/less likely to miss a post?

I expect to try to find what your agenda is. Are you saying you missed a vote on you back on page 4? Then missed my name next to yours each vote count thereafter?

Considering my lack of activity during those early days of the game, I can't believe you find that to be incomprehensible.

You're in my lynch pile along with Newman and Io.

[Secret Agent Jin]

That being said (as I've highlighted already) Saj is doing very little

That's kind of part of his meta on Day 1.

I assume you mean his town meta? How is his scum meta different?

As of this post, my top 3 scum reads are Jin, IO, & Newman.

How did i get lumped in your scumreads? Is there reasoning?

Cause I'm a good scum hunter and you are apparently bad as scum.

Can everybody take note of this when i flip Town? Lynch this with fire.

[Io]

Io, ignoring that for now, what are your thoughts on the massive/Newman/Flub situation?

Well situation implies they are connected which they certainly aren't.

Newman's town but the scummiest of the group solely, not that he had other content, from the push that the only way Cloud could have been replaced is if he was Mafia hard bussing. His reason for the initial tunnel was also pretty trash with it just being that he claimed scum which no one should even take seriously. The other part of his scum read of Cloud that they were overly pushing the town slip was OK and a valid argument I think. The reason I think he's not scum pushing for 2 mislynches, as he's pushing to lynch both of you, is just because of how genuine he is in the push itself. He is stubborn, but not scum.

Flubber I just don't really know about to be honest. He shares no read with me, and was very quick to town read AJ who I think is scum. Leaning scum though which would make me think Massive is town because he's done a few quick jabs on him, 2 and the RVS.

Side note, I'm not even that confident you are town either. I'm getting the Aj & Culted scum team vibe with wither Mini or Flubber
Culted just really doesn't ever talk about AJ unless it was asking me to explain the AJ scum read, which Culted also said that other people asked so I don't see why Culted would have felt the need to talk about it. Then the only times he talked about you was at the very beginning asking for a read, something which I personally just notice a lot of scum do to partners they feel wont be too active or slightly scummy, then later on the talked about you and Flubber being TvT which is what is making me think one of you are scum. Culted is mostly a slight scum read for the lack of interactions with my stronger scum read and their overly nice behavior also just kind of feels disgenuine.
Honestly though I'm more confident that AJ and Culted are a scum team than you Mini. That's mostly because you're play style right now is basically mimicking how you played in 658, and it's not like I really disagree with you a ton. Though you and Culted do look pretty buddyey right now.

And yet your strong scum read has no explanation backing it and you haven't addressed your own blunder (the 'time traveler' issue). Your entire scum/town read is based on an idea that I'm scum, who you've yet to give a reason for in 400 in-game posts. Now associative tells are cool and all but they require a flip, and you're so very far off base to begin with that you've drawn up three additional possible scum reads with no flip and no stated reason on why you think I'm scum. You've already called out an entire group to lynch through, day 1, no flips on 'associative tells'.

Also your post serves to have another contradiction. In the first line, you state Newman is the scummiest of the group, but town. Then you state Flubber is scum, who was part of the three in the first group. Actually through your entire post, you waffle on this scum/town read on Flubber. You don't have a definitive opinion on him, and basically go from town to scum in all the shades of the rainbow in one post.

Lastly, burden of proof's on you to EXPLAIN some of this. You've got some reads that are unpopular. Really, as I've stated, this starts with you explaining why I'm scum, and then showing interactions if associative tells are really your only shows altogether.

I don't even know how to break up that post so I'll just do it in points.
"Haven't addressed why you are scum" - You lack reading comprehensions skills.
"Time traveler" - are you like high and making up terms right now?
"no stated reason on why you think I'm scum." - 'cuz you don't actually read any of my posts for some reason.
"In the first line, you state Newman is the scummiest of the group, but town." - Literally not a contradiction, you read the first line then stopped. If you would have bothered to continue reading you would have seen the explanation as to why he is bad and why the only scummy thing he did was tunnel.
"You don't have a definitive opinion on him" - Slight scum
"Lastly, burden of proof's on you to EXPLAIN some of this." - Which I did.
'You've got some reads that are unpopular." - That's not a reason to scum read that's called actually bothering to look at someone without just sheeping the crowd.
"Really, as I've stated, this starts with you explaining why I'm scum" - I did and you chose to ignore them.

[Aj The Epic]

"In the first line, you state Newman is the scummiest of the group, but town." - Literally not a contradiction, you read the first line then stopped. If you would have bothered to continue reading you would have seen the explanation as to why he is bad and why the only scummy thing he did was tunnel.
"You don't have a definitive opinion on him" - Slight scum

No no no. You don't get a clear on ANY of this shit for that garbage.

You state NEWMAN is the scummiest of them and THEN state Flubber is the most likely partner to a Culted/Aj scum team, which is CURRENTLY the only scum you're really entertaining.

Time traveling issue: You used a post of Kairal's to justify your reason for my vote that happened AFTER YOUR VOTE. The post simply DID NOT EXIST when you voted me and claimed Kairal had the reason for you. And you stated it IN THE VOTE POST so it's not a misread.

And no, you HAVEN'T addressed why I'm scum. I'm paying more attention to you than anyone else in the game right now, don't you pretend I'm not reading everything you say. You have NOT justified it and have ignored every query thus far. Point me to it then if I've missed it, you certainly have had the opportunity.

[MiniDeathStar]

Gamma:

I will be V/LA until Wednesday the 14th. Travelling so I probably won't be able to access mafiascum at all.

[Shadow_step]

Read through the first 5 pages. More later.
When is the deadline?

[-Grey-]

Read through the first 5 pages. More later.
When is the deadline?

ISO the mod and scroll down to 297.

[-Grey-]

Or post 6.

Whatever.

[massive]

And I'm getting close to being replaced for playing against my wincon too and just saying I'm going to blank-vote for as long as I am in the game just to drive Kairal nuts.

So you didn't bother to go back and look at this and you continue to feed out the idea that any of this would actually be playing against my wincon. Good. Thanks. That definitely helps to shore up my opinion that you are nowhere near the obvtown that people want me to believe you are.

In fact, please go ahead and explain how me saying this would indicate that this:

I mean it isn't game throwing because you're a scum player playing to your win con. But if you were town it would be game throwing.

What would be the difference in my threatened action of never explaining a vote, between town-massive and scum-massive? How exactly would that sentence be a scum indicator?

[massive]

You know on second thought that might be a bit overaggressive. In any case, you need to re-assess me Kairal, and you need to let go of this "not explaining your vote is anti-town" stance because you're going to find a LOT of players who won't and who will further demand that you follow them based solely on their reputation. I'm voting who I think is scum. End of story.

[massive]

Now associative tells are cool and all but they require a flip, and you're so very far off base to begin with that you've drawn up three additional possible scum reads with no flip and no stated reason on why you think I'm scum. You've already called out an entire group to lynch through, day 1, no flips on 'associative tells'.

HOLY CATS THE IRONY

[-Grey-]

I'm not seeing scum in massive.

Just clumsy town.

Can we lynch in {Newman, Io, IAI} please?

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 1.09

1 - Io: Dierfire
0 - Dierfire:
3 - HellloooNewman: culted, -Grey-, Aj The Epic
3 - MiniDeathStar: Shadow_Step, massive, HellloooNewman
0 - Kairal:
0 - Flubbernugget:
0 - I Am Innocent:
0 - Secret Agent Jin:
0 - Shadow_Step:
1 - -Grey-: I Am Innocent
0 - culted:
4 - massive: Flubbernugget, MiniDeathStar, Secret Agent Jin, Kairal
1 - Aj The Epic: Io
0 -No Lynch:
Not voting:
culted FoSes Io, Dierfire, HellloooNewman, MiniDeathStar, Kairal, Flubbernugget, I am Innocent, Secret Agent Jin, Shadow_Step, -Grey-, massive, and Aj The Epic
MiniDeathStar FoSes Flubbernugget, Io, massive, and HellloooNewman
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is (expired on 2016-12-19 23:30:00)
MiniDeathStar is V/LA until 12/14/2016

[massive]

Just clumsy town.

Hey I never promised you a ballet.

I'm not seeing Newman (you can probably guess why) and not crazy about your company on that wagon. Talk to me about I Am Innocent? What has you putting him into the scum pile?

[-Grey-]

Just clumsy town.

Hey I never promised you a ballet.

I'm not seeing Newman (you can probably guess why) and not crazy about your company on that wagon. Talk to me about I Am Innocent? What has you putting him into the scum pile?

His attempt to push me with setup questions that don't come from a town mindset.

[-Grey-]

Just clumsy town.

Hey I never promised you a ballet.

I'm not seeing Newman (you can probably guess why) and not crazy about your company on that wagon. Talk to me about I Am Innocent? What has you putting him into the scum pile?

I'm fine with my company on Newman. If we're judging wagons by the players on them, I'd be voting for you.

[Io]

If someone had multiple posts explaining a scum read then the fact I pulled up the wrong one on accident is not that big of a deal. I just saw that post in the ISO and figured that was probably what you were asking for as it was backing up my point, I still went in and explained why you were scum from that post. I'm not going to go out of my way to look at times of posts.

You are still seriously not getting the Newman read at all. Scummy and scum are 2 very different things. Believe it or not, but town do for a fact do scummy things without noticing. The fact is while the action of tunneling is scummy the rational provided by Newman is clearly town driven.

[-Grey-]

I agree with Kairal actually (in that massive has been scummier so far). I just can't tell if Newman is town-paranoid about me, or scum-paranoid about me, or legitimately believes I'm scum but can't build an actual case.

Scum can't be paranoid, they have to fake it which is what Newman is doing.