Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[Ümläüt]

Vote Count 1.4

Cheesy:

nn30, ThinkBig (L-5)

ThinkBig:

culted, Gamma Emerald (L-5)

tojam2:

PenguinPower, aronagrundy (L-5)

PenguinPower:

tojam2 (L-6)

Realeo:

Vedith (L-6)

Vedith:

Cheesy (L-6)

SnarkySnowman:

LicketyQuickety (L-6)

Not voting:

alban, SnarkySnowman, Realeo

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2016-12-21 14:50:00).

[LicketyQuickety]

Bah humbug.

I guess everytime I ask a question about Cheesy nobody sees it.

Change methods.

[alban]

Mod, please replace me.

[Ümläüt]

Seeking a replacement for alban.

Aeronaut replaces alban.

[Aeronaut]

Sup homies, Aero's here to solve yo game

[Aeronaut]

PP, are you a cop?

At first glance I took this as kind of role-fishy, but at second glance I realized who was posting, and now feel it's probably NAI.

PP, are you a cop?

Why didn't you answer the question directed at you?

This however seems pretty anti-town. Why are you pushing this question to be answered? What was your motivation here, because there's no reason a cop should be outing themselves at that point.

It's a 1-shot Cop, right? It would make sense to claim the result after you use it, because then you'd be just a VT like the majority of players. Claiming before is a losing strategy.

yeah, but you can still answer no. That's what I am seeing. Not that they would actually say yes, but that they would say no.

Why does it matter? How does that help you town/scumread them?

@Lickety - explain that logic please

The joke between the two is way too over the top. There is nothing secretive about it. Also, PP made that comment without it being expected. Scum communicate a lot itt even if they aren't explicit about it. Its also incredibly silly. I don't expect that Mafia joke together that way. A lot of people might not consider this strong evidence, but I consider it all the same.

This reasoning, while probably NAI, is awful.

This is not an RVS vote.

VOTE: Realeo

His 62 followed by his 64 feels like he's trying too hard to please. His 69 feels too defensive for this early in the game and his 74 once again feels like he's trying too hard to be buddy buddy.

This case doesn't make sense to me. How are 62 and 64 "trying too hard to please"? 62 is a vote and saying "I'm parking this here", and 64 is him questioning Gamma Emerald. Who is he trying to please?

74, while a friendly tone, is no different than how other people in this game have acted, yet you're not calling them out. 69 is the only thing I can see as being a bit too defensive. The rest of this case is garbage.

And I can town read you for taking away my town read for not questioning your town read on me.

*whew*

In all seriousness, the 'that's a start' was more of a 'great, what do you think of the actual post' than 'SWEET I'M GETTING TOWN READ.'

I can see how you interpreted this post the other way, though. My initial thought was just that - not to trust you throwing me a town-read. You just modded a game with me in it and could see that I tend to care about whether or not I'm getting town read and could use that against me in this game.

This post, too, seems super forced and awkward to me. I don't know, it could be me.

So far Lickety looks like strong town, based on his tone and the sheer will to solve the game.

If there was a contest for vaguest reasoning, you've won it.

If he's truly so bad as scum as he indicates, I highly doubt he'd be taking initiative like this.

Why are you trusting his own self-meta and allowing it to enforce your townread of him? Anyone could say that about any aspect of their game. I could say: I don't use periods as scum. Are you going to auto-townread me? No. Because I could be full of shit.

VOTE: Snarky/Snarky's replace in

What do you mean? Does this player leave games often?

PP, are you a cop?

After you get your answer, could you tell me why you were so specific? I'm having trouble assessing your possible motivation. It seemed very out of the blue.

So far Lickety looks like strong town, based on his tone and the sheer will to solve the game. If he's truly so bad as scum as he indicates, I highly doubt he'd be taking initiative like this.
Vedith's entrance also gave him few town points for starters because I don't imagine mafia being so bold and putting everybody's eyes on them right off the bat. That could of course be playstyle-related though.
I'll take a look at Realeo vs nn30 in a bit.

Yeah, this is a pretty good point.

Lickety- in the meantime- I think it would work better it you told me what I did to set you off instead of just telling people to vote me because of what use is pressure when the target is not aware of the reasons? Is it because I said I townread Vedith before he answered me?

No, it's because you pushed Vedith as if he were scummy and then called him townie for the same thing.

[LicketyQuickety]

I can't read wall posts, I'm on mobile.

[Aeronaut]

@Gamma
No! That's not park! That's tunnel!

I now understand this misunderstanding.

culted is null town.

Why? I've seen nothing either way from him at the time of this post.

Spoiler:

My respond:

1) 62 + 64. Sorry? Your point being? "Too hard to please"?

2) 69. I can relate to that.

3) 74. I asked LQ about his "strong evidence" and he said "You would not like my playstyle. LQ, in turn, question my agression. I said "That's how I roll." Isn't it natural that I said "we will get used to each other" when both of us shows sign of disturbed by each other play style.

1) Don't play dumb. You've got enough games under your belt to know that a player trying too hard to please others is scummy.
2) You can relate to that? What?
3) Sure, I guess. To answer your next question - the smiley is what makes it eager to please. The sentiment was fine but the smiley put it over the top

I think in #1 the question is more where do you see him trying to please anyone.

Also, why did you feel the need to spoiler your responses to him?

I'm in 6 games right now (I've made a huge mistake...) so I don't actually remember why I had a gut scum read on you Cheese, but I had one before this post.

I still don't see the problem with it. Perhaps you are reading too much into this?

Or perhaps I'm blind.

After this post, the scum read has only intensified. The bold is a hedge that scum put into their interactions with town. You're trying to appear amicable here with the bolded sentence. It could come from either alignment, but IMO it's more likely to come from scum. Townies don't care if they piss somebody off by being intractable. Scum do. I picked up on this because I did similar things in my first scum game.

VOTE: Cheesy

What? That's much less of him hedging and much more of him not understanding the reasoning behind it, and inquiring on that.

Check out my 97 from this game. I'm scum. I used the very same defense you're using right now.

Why would that mean anything? It's his supposed scum game, not yours.

Explain to me as a 5 yo. Help me identify you as either paranoid town or opportunistic scum.

When I was 5, I was eating dirt. Not sure I really understood much at that age.

When I was 5, I made my first check-mate.

The badassery continues.

This remark is rather unnecessary because his "badassery" is more of a character trait I think and it's not really alignment indicative. Unless you just want to argue with him, in which case please continue (after the game ends, in private).

Could also do cheesy

Why TB and Cheesy for you?

They feel off

Where's your vote at?

Explain to me as a 5 yo. Help me identify you as either paranoid town or opportunistic scum.

When I was 5, I was eating dirt. Not sure I really understood much at that age.

When I was 5, I made my first check-mate.

The badassery continues.

This remark is rather unnecessary because his "badassery" is more of a character trait I think and it's not really alignment indicative. Unless you just want to argue with him, in which case please continue (after the game ends, in private).

Character trait has EVERYTHING to do with what is AI for that slot, try again.

Yes but if his character trait's being bold and he acts accordingly, this is not a discrepancy and you can't scumread him for that. Hence why I found your comment pointless.

Culted is Town for picking up on Cheesy being off. They are also a pretty good player. I saw some reaction testing by this slot.

Which posts looked like reaction testing?

[Aeronaut]

I can't read wall posts, I'm on mobile.

At all times?

[LicketyQuickety]

Which posts looked like reaction testing?

The vote on TB.

[Aeronaut]

Ok I know you tried to be mean and make yourself feel better

but you've pretty much confirmed I'm town here.

Well I guess we've now confirmed that LQ and Cheesy definitely can't be scum together

thank the good lord for memes

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok I know you tried to be mean and make yourself feel better

but you've pretty much confirmed I'm town here.

Well I guess we've now confirmed that LQ and Cheesy definitely can't be scum together

thank the good lord for memes

We could still be teamed.

[LicketyQuickety]

PP, are you a cop?

Why didn't you answer the question directed at you?

This however seems pretty anti-town. Why are you pushing this question to be answered? What was your motivation here, because there's no reason a cop should be outing themselves at that point.

I was asking Vedith why he ignored a question directed at him, not questioning the question Vedith asked.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Snarky/Snarky's replace in

What do you mean? Does this player leave games often?

PP, are you a cop?

[Vedith]

Well I guess we've now confirmed that LQ and Cheesy definitely can't be scum together

Can you quote the mod confirmation post on this?
I missed it.

[Realeo]

Vedith, do NOT evade my question.

[Vedith]

At first glance I took this as kind of role-fishy, but at second glance I realized who was posting, and now feel it's probably NAI.

wtf does that mean?

[Realeo]

VOTE: Vedith

[Vedith]

Vedith, do NOT evade my question.

I'm at work fuccboi.

[Vedith]

I don't see a question.

[Realeo]

I am an attention deprived person. Satisfy me, Vedith.

[Vedith]

I am an attention deprived person. Satisfy me, Vedith.

I don't know how! :<

[Realeo]

I am an attention deprived person. Satisfy me, Vedith.

I don't know how! :<

Q: Do you townread LQ, nn30, Cheesy?

[Vedith]

Q: Do you townread LQ, nn30, Cheesy?

LQ, yes, Cheesy, pretty much so far.
nn30? I have no idea there.

[Realeo]

LQ is town????