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[Gamma Emerald]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Gamma, tell me why this made sense.

Nacho, tell me why it didn't.

The hammer was an obvious CC.

[Nachomamma8]

Io/Deer:

I don't really think that Io's opening is alignment-indicative; she made an RVS vote against one of the four people who replaced out and then clarified that it wasn't a serious push either. I mean sure, I guess that she could be scum and backtracking because she got too much heat for the push, but seems unlikely to me.

From a body of work perspective, the main reasons that I suspect Deer are:

1) I think that most of his pushes (primarily on Eric and Creeps) have been remarkably easy pushes to make without any conviction. I think that he was attempting to push through easy mislynches, which is a feeling that is especially compounded if Frank flips scum.

2) I think that the readswitch from scumreading TwoFace and Eric to townreading them within the course of a minute looked remarkably odd; don't think that it was a genuine thought progression.

3) I don't like his interaction with havingfitz. He said that he would "read all his posts within 12 hours to get a read on him" lurked for two days, then added him to the suspect list because TwoFace (the person he was scumreading before) said so. When talking about who he was willing to wagon, the people who he is willing to lynch are Hiraki and Creeps and Fitz but he'd rather lynch Hiraki and Creeps over Fitz; this seems especially odd since his top three suspects (in order) before were 1) Creeps, 2) Gamma, and 3) fitz, so you'd think that even if he was townreading Gamma all of a sudden fitz would still be a stronger read than Hikari.

I'll break down why some of Deer's specific posts bother me in a little bit.

[Nachomamma8]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Gamma, tell me why this made sense.

Nacho, tell me why it didn't.

The hammer was an obvious CC.

It would have been nice if you were a bit smarter about your reaction to it.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: FrankJaeger

[Gamma Emerald]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Gamma, tell me why this made sense.

Nacho, tell me why it didn't.

The hammer was an obvious CC.

It would have been nice if you were a bit smarter about your reaction to it.

I'll admit my notation of it WAS hamfisted.

[Nachomamma8]

What do you think of my FJ read?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm particularly interested in your read here since I noticed that you spectated the game that I'm using as meta and yet haven't really brought up anything against him yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think of my FJ read?

I think it's pretty reasonable.
Wait what?

[Gamma Emerald]

I BARELY followed that game.

[Nachomamma8]

I BARELY followed that game.

Figured as much, just saw you pop up in the aftermath and wanted to see if you followed it more closely than I thought.
Is that what the "wait what" is referring to?

[Gamma Emerald]

I BARELY followed that game.

Figured as much, just saw you pop up in the aftermath and wanted to see if you followed it more closely than I thought.
Is that what the "wait what" is referring to?

Yeah.

[Joshz]

almost all fitz did was argue with twoface lmfao theres not much to go off of
i really REALLY doubt that was bussing, lines like 'TF has yet to make a good argument. But I'm sure you would townread him for defending Eric. Kind of like OMGYA.' in fitz's reply to me tring twoface dont feel like distancing/bussing.
someone more experienced should read into hiraki's interactions with fitz because they felt like partner interactions as opposed to whiteknighting, and i very much believe hiraki could be a scum partner. im not experienced enough to tell if its likely fitz would so blatantly defend his partner so frequently though.
reading through creeps' content its actually all pretty awful despite me refusing to join his wagon yesterday. but, more importantly, his votes are nearly all on conftowns (myself when it was eric, mathblade, luv) and only one on someone else (deers). this combined with his lack of content is bleh. his iso does remind me gamma is a buzzkill tho.
gamma's interactions with fitz felt tvs, not much more to say
changed my mind a bit on vedith but i still scum read twiszted pretty hard so he is only slightly town overall as a slot
frank really feels like lurkerscum
aristophanes is null for me

lock town {Nacho, LUV}
strong town {twoface}
townier side/null {gamma, vedith}
scummier side {hiraki, creeps, frank, scumdeers}


started this post after host update; ill read the above and if i need to change something theres ebwop

[Nachomamma8]

so... are you going to vote FJ, do you want to vote someone else, what's going on?
@Gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

I usually let things normalize from the night buzz before voting.

[Joshz]

VOTE: frank

@nacho - seems like frank and deer are mutual reads because i hadnt read your reads post before posting mine. this is obviously a very good thing as both of us seperately came to the same conclusion on both of them.

[Joshz]

He wants an Io-slot lynch iirc

And yet he's the lone vote on Vedith?

i have a very, very strong scum read on twiszted, and vedith hasnt exactly been a super strong townie. i encourage you to read through twiszted's content itt, its awful.

We have under a day to reach majority and get a lynch. What makes you think that people are going to see the light on Vedith and suddenly vote him out if you're not going to put in the work to get it done? Who else would you vote as a compromise?

i already said id potentially vote hiraki out of the 3 current wagons. i would also most likely vote for fitz, scumdeers, and frank just for idling so much as attention is off of him, though i dont think id vote anyone else.

i forgot posting this but apparently i also was only willing to lynch those 3 yday lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE COUNT 1.02

Eric Rasputin (3): Creeps20, Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange
Lil Uzi Vert (2): Hiraki, TheseViolentDelights
TheseViolentDelights (1): Gamma Emerald
Io (1): havingfitz
Hiraki (1): Io
havingfitz (1): Aristophanes
TwiszTed (1): Eric Rasputin

No Vote (3): TwoFace, FrankJaeger, TwiszTed

TIMER

(expired on 2016-11-30 16:30:00)

NOTES

Seeking replacement for Io

I think I'd rather lynch Creeps than Frank today tbh
He's the only one not confirmed town on the Eric wagon here, and Eric is very likely town.
Would have been nice if I had thought to check this earlier, but Day 1 VCA is usually terrible so w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Creeps20

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE COUNT 1.02

Eric Rasputin (3): Creeps20, Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange
Lil Uzi Vert (2): Hiraki, TheseViolentDelights
TheseViolentDelights (1): Gamma Emerald
Io (1): havingfitz
Hiraki (1): Io
havingfitz (1): Aristophanes
TwiszTed (1): Eric Rasputin

No Vote (3): TwoFace, FrankJaeger, TwiszTed

TIMER

(expired on 2016-11-30 16:30:00)

NOTES

Seeking replacement for Io

I think I'd rather lynch Creeps than Frank today tbh
He's the only one not confirmed town on the Eric wagon here, and Eric is very likely town.
Would have been nice if I had thought to check this earlier, but Day 1 VCA is usually terrible so w/e

that's a horrible reason to vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel at least one of the early votes on Eric was scum, and in that VC it's Creeps and the masons.

[Nachomamma8]

why do you think one of the early votes on Eric was scum?
why did you cut it off at the three vote wagon when having three town votes on town is not at all unheard of?

[Nachomamma8]

in fact, in Family Mafia, the first three votes on Spicy were town. the three person wagon that formed on me that game was also all town.

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you think one of the early votes on Eric was scum?
why did you cut it off at the three vote wagon when having three town votes on town is not at all unheard of?

I was looking at the official VC. As for why, he was lynchbait early on.

[Joshz]

nacho, can you explain why you consider Aristophanes lock town?

[Nachomamma8]

why do you think one of the early votes on Eric was scum?
why did you cut it off at the three vote wagon when having three town votes on town is not at all unheard of?

I was looking at the official VC. As for why, he was lynchbait early on.

so was spicy.