Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[Realeo]

@Lickety - explain that logic please

The joke between the two is way too over the top. There is nothing secretive about it. Also, PP made that comment without it being expected. Scum communicate a lot itt even if they aren't explicit about it. Its also incredibly silly. I don't expect that Mafia joke together that way. A lot of people might not consider this strong evidence, but I consider it all the same.

This is an extreme generalization. Shoo. Shoo.

This is not about strong evidence = weak evidence = same. This is NOT an evidence.

[Realeo]

Vedith is rolefishing, vote him.

Isn't RVS to early to throw shade, even for a town?

[Realeo]

Let me park my vote here.

VOTE: GE (Gamma Emerald/General Electric

[Realeo]

Considering the fact that you rebuttal LQ with meta argument, you put no meta knowledge to your analysis?

If you're first time playing with Vedith, I may give this a pass. I don't think that's the case?

[Realeo]

That's fair enough.

UNVOTE:

[Realeo]

Why are you assuming that I'm intimidating when I'm not trying to intimidate? Like who pull their intimidation gun page 3?

[Realeo]

Oh. GM know how I roll.

[Realeo]

This is the first time we play right? We will get used to each other =]

[Realeo]

I did not die. Vedith did.

[Realeo]

This is not an RVS vote.

VOTE: Realeo

His 62 followed by his 64 feels like he's trying too hard to please. His 69 feels too defensive for this early in the game and his 74 once again feels like he's trying too hard to be buddy buddy.

My respond:

62 + 64. Sorry? Your point being? "Too hard to please"?

69. I can relate to that.

74. I asked LQ about his "strong evidence" and he said "You would not like my playstyle. LQ, in turn, question my agression. I said "That's how I roll." Isn't it natural that I said "we will get used to each other" when both of us shows sign of disturbed by each other play style.

[Realeo]

I mean, if 74 is scummy, please give a towny version of 74.

[Realeo]

I would like to request an answer on this.

Why people make such a big deal on "parking the vote and unvoting"? I'm trying to understand your perspective. I have seen people being questioned for their playing style, but I am trying to think how the "parking the vote and unvoting" can be something that is AI (Alignment indicative).

I mean, at best, It's NAI. At worst, it's AI (Asshole indicative) which LQ pointed out.

Explain to me as a 5 yo. Help me identify you as either paranoid town or opportunistic scum.

[Realeo]

@Gamma
No! That's not park! That's tunnel!

Park is when you move your vote to someone that you don't really fos, but that vote is better to be invested at someone than being "unemployed"

But still. That only invites confusion. It doesn't invite vote or fos.

[Realeo]

Explain to me as a 5 yo. Help me identify you as either paranoid town or opportunistic scum.

When I was 5, I was eating dirt. Not sure I really understood much at that age.

When I was 5, I made my first check-mate.

[Realeo]

First of alll, I want to congratulate everyone for making 7 page in less than 24 hours. This is a good work and I believe with high contribution, we can solve the game.

Second, I'm off to bed. Good night!

[Realeo]

1) Don't play dumb. You've got enough games under your belt to know that a player trying too hard to please others is scummy.
2) You can relate to that? What?
3) Sure, I guess. To answer your next question - the smiley is what makes it eager to please. The sentiment was fine but the smiley put it over the top.

1. No. I know what is "trying too hard to please", but I don't understand how is "pissing off" GE is "too hard pleasing" GE. Like, seriously.

Let me park my vote here.

VOTE: GE (Gamma Emerald/General Electric

Considering the fact that you rebuttal LQ with meta argument, you put no meta knowledge to your analysis?

If you're first time playing with Vedith, I may give this a pass. I don't think that's the case?

Like, why this cannot be classified as genuine scumhunting. Let alone genuine scumhunting, why this cannot be classified as leisure asking?

AND WHERE IS THE TOO HARD PLEASING PART?

2. I don't necessarily agree with you, but I understand your POV.

3. Oh, ok.

[Realeo]

I mean, if 74 is scummy, please give a towny version of 74.

This post is a little iffy to me. Like, "tell me how to be towny" is what I get.

If there is a scum post, there is a town post. If there isn't a town post, there isn't a scum post. Conclusion? NAI.

I'm just trying to understand the perspective of those who think that facade is AI(alignment indicative).

[Realeo]

I think lickety vs cheezy is TvT. I've thought lickety is town for a while, and I'm not sure scum would respond as flame-y as cheezy did to lickety's pressure.

I concur with this post, although that's not my reasoning. I think each of them is just having playstyle butt. Individually, I can follow their logic and that's good.

[Realeo]

My priority is town read, not scum read. Beside the GE incindent, I did not scum hunt. Just town hunt.

[Realeo]

Meta speaking he does that as town

[Realeo]

????

My confidence was cause by talking to some people and now I feel more confident at this game. I Scum claimed so that people would actually say something in the thread instead of waiting hours and hours until someone has a mediocre remark to make.

You're trying too hard.

You see, since scumhunting doesn't work, let us do town hunting and make a POE lynch.

My town list:

LQ
cheesy
nn30
SnarkySnowman

What's yours?

[Realeo]

????

My confidence was cause by talking to some people and now I feel more confident at this game. I Scum claimed so that people would actually say something in the thread instead of waiting hours and hours until someone has a mediocre remark to make.

You're trying too hard.

You see, since scumhunting doesn't work, let us do town hunting and make a POE lynch.

My town list:

LQ
cheesy
nn30
SnarkySnowman

What's yours?

I can't begin to disagree with this post enough. Your talk about Scum hunting alone is enough to through this post in the garbage.

Excellent! That is how I get reaction. Towny shit posting.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Realeo]

My town list:

LQ
cheesy
nn30

SnarkySnowman

You actually townread the othet 3?????

[Realeo]

Power player /= town

I pick 3 random active player + 1 lurker to differentiate reaction.

[Realeo]

Vedith, do NOT evade my question.

[Realeo]

VOTE: Vedith

[Realeo]

I am an attention deprived person. Satisfy me, Vedith.

[Realeo]

I am an attention deprived person. Satisfy me, Vedith.

I don't know how! :<

Q: Do you townread LQ, nn30, Cheesy?

[Realeo]

LQ is town????

[Realeo]

Like, I put LQ at NAI and I am saying LQ at NAI not because I am reaction testing?

Like how??

[Realeo]

When I say NAI, I mean null obv.

[Realeo]

I mean, I have put TB and LQ as "frustated player" but I haven't decide if it's a town frustation or scum frustation.

[Realeo]

I don't get what you mean?
LQ is town, you can have my scouts honour there.

Spoiler: LQ to look only, anyone else looking is a scum claim

Don't screw me on this LQ, you only get the 1 scout honour!

Can we have more vote on this?

town!Vedith would not float the reasoning. His reasoning can be shitty, but not floaty.

[Realeo]

Town Vedith does do a lot of things people don't like. :<

Town Vedith can make a case, even if the case is bad. Even if the case is bad, the consistency of Town Vedith is still obvious.

*cough* Mislead 2 *cough*

[Realeo]

Like, aren't I mod confirmed mafia. Where's that attitude, Vedith?

[Realeo]

Like, aren't I mod confirmed mafia. Where's that attitude, Vedith?

Do you want to be mod confirmed Mafia?

So you do scumread me or not scumread me.

[Realeo]

nn30 prob. town, but that's subjet to change when he start talking about someone else.

culted prob. town. I'm getting used to how he read, but I'm kinda scratching my head how do I could generate reaction from him?

Arggh. LQ and TB. =/

[Realeo]

I have a question. You three {LQ,Cheese,nn} keep talking to each other. DO YOU KNOW THERE IS A SCUM TELL CALLED COMFORTABLE SCUM TELL? A scum tell where because scum is too convenient speaking to another scum that to avoid being acused lurking, they just talk with each other. The another bonus is that "you can't be scum for not distancing"

I won't be surprised with a nn + LQ + chesse scum team.

[Realeo]

The thing is this. At the beginning, it was a Cheesy V LQ and anna and me classify this as T v T due to meta butt head. You keep talking and I saw little to no progress.

I have been a power player. I was a power player with Dunn. But even that I can see progress of stand from Dunn and both of us still interact with other player and initiate conversation.

[Realeo]

Like help me understand from your perspective. After that meta butt head, but still keep talking, what you get with each other, power players?

[Realeo]

LQ keep shouting "not enough feedback". Keep complaining how about people is not active. If LQ innitiate contast conversation, it's only normal for me to assume he keep scumhuting. If there is scumhunting from LQ from continuing this conversation with Cheesy, clearly I miss it.

[Realeo]

To be fair, I have put LQ at scum lean. The only reason I didn't say this early because I don't believe LQ--who has 55 games in his pocket--fall into such novice mistake.

I keep it from myself until anna points out nn30 only talks about cheesy, and after some sleeping, I thought--that's it! That's the weak link of the gang.

[Realeo]

Sorry pal but you gotta adjust to me cause I'm not gonna adjust to you. Seems like you're very eager to look like you care so much, why is that?

The funny part of you is that it's not exactly your fault. You just got caught in the chaos of LQ and nn30.

[Realeo]

It's really not that uncommon to shape your reads based on simple interactions. Your mindset is faulty cause you seem to only look for big scumtells and 'slips'. Guess what? Conversation's how you force them.

I'm noy lookinh for scumtells. I'm looking for stand.

Take example of my interaction of Vedith v me. Vedith scumreads me and suddenly not, that's confusing stand. LQ keeps interacting but I don't see a lot of change. Even if no change of read, I see no change of confindence.

[Realeo]

I mean, there's 100 post after I and arona call you T v T. Like, really?

Hello. My name is LQ. I am the most active player. I want people to scum hunt, but you don't force me to make anything out of 100 posts exchange

[Realeo]

That's 100 post obv come from LQ + Cheesy combined iso.

[Realeo]

In those combined 100 post exchange, you accuse Vedith from being trolly. You react with me with the reaction testing.

But you can't make anything out of cheesy? If you do, I am clearly missing it.

[Realeo]

Geez give the man some time. It's not like Paulo Coelho wrote his first book right after being born.

But in this case, Paulo Coelho is not writing his first book. His first book ends when me and aroan called it T v T. I'm waiting for second book. For someone who complain the quality of the game, I'm surprised that the second book is not being published.

[Realeo]

My only scumread was tojam2, and by this post, he's online. But I can't find something "beyond reasonable doubt" at this point. Just like LQ said, tojam2 can be terrible town and I saw the Newbie game where people are complaining of the quality of tojam2 ICing.

It's tough to call horrible town v horrible scum.

[Realeo]

Good enough for me.
LQ is town and Jester is probably town, so that confirms Real as scum to be fair.

[Realeo]

Vedith scumreads me and suddenly not,

This is false.
Scum caught in a lie.

I'm not voting Real until reasoning is explained.

I have a power where mod confirmed Real as scum.

At one point yes.

Like, aren't I mod confirmed mafia. Where's that attitude, Vedith?

Do you want to be mod confirmed Mafia?

At one point no.

[Realeo]

Vedith stop being so scummy, seriously

Because he is scum!

As town, even his read his shitty, he is consistently town shitty. You don't see that consistent shitty here.

[Realeo]

Lets try something funky for a change:

VOTE: Gamma

See! This is my problem with you.

Oh well, I will give up then. Maybe it is indeed playstyle.

[Realeo]

My only scumread was tojam2, and by this post, he's online. But I can't find something "beyond reasonable doubt" at this point. Just like LQ said, tojam2 can be terrible town and I saw the Newbie game where people are complaining of the quality of tojam2 ICing.

It's tough to call horrible town v horrible scum.

Obviously, when I write this, I forget Vedith. Interesting that my priority is town hunt, but now I'm in scumhunting mode.

[Realeo]

I do not know it's an obvious joke.

The last time you scumread me, I thought it was a joke!

Like. Mislead 2. You said "There's no way Real flips town" AND YOU ACTUALLY SCUM TUNNEL ME TO DEAD. Now, you said "Real is confirmed scum by mod" HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT SCUM TUNNEL ME TO DEAD AND IT'S A JOKE??

[Realeo]

It's not my duty to correctly interpret figure of speech.

[Realeo]

(he's played enough to know this)

Enough? I only play 1 completed game with you.The game you replace out (Duck! Duck! Goose) you are inactive and the game that I mod (Duck! Duck! Goose), you're being somewhat sensible.

[Realeo]

(he's played enough to know this)

Enough? I only play 1 completed game with you.The game you replace out (The Purge) you are inactive and the game that I mod (Duck! Duck! Goose), you're being somewhat sensible.

EBWOP

[Realeo]

You aren't joking about scumreading people. Remember how bitter you are scumread me when you scumread me Mislead 2?

[Realeo]

If you thought that I was lying as scum calling you mod confirmed scum and I was serious, why would you not react with "How am I scum confirmed"?
Your response has a mindset of knowing that I was joking and having a weak push on me, or knowing that I am telling the truth, therefore not actually going against my comment, but wanting me lynched instead.

I asked about your stand yesterday? Remember. The only reason you said that "You can have my scout honor".

[Realeo]

I asked about your stand yesterday? Remember. The only reason you said that "You can have my scout honor".

I don't understand your argument here?
You are fumbling as scum.

I asked your stand on why LQ is town. You just say "You can my scout honor".

I asked about your scumread at me. You just say "Do you want to be mod confirmed mafia?"

[Realeo]

You aren't joking about scumreading people. Remember how bitter you are scumread me when you scumread me Mislead 2?

Good. Then it's only natural for me, with memory of Mislead 2, to consider your "Realeo is mod-confirmed mafia" a bitter scum read as well, not a joke.

[Realeo]

Like, this conversation is the town!Vedith I know.

So I want your read on town LQ, town Cheesy, and town nn30, and I expect the same kind of sanity that I get from this meta battle.

[Realeo]

I asked your stand on why LQ is town. You just say "You can my scout honor".

I asked about your scumread at me. You just say "Do you want to be mod confirmed mafia?"

About LQ - Okay, any issues with that?

About you - That's a lie, you said that you are mod confirmed, you didn't say "What's your read on me" with my response of "Do you want to be mod confirmed mafia?"

You're slipping Real.
And I won't save you.

Like, aren't I mod confirmed mafia. Where's that attitude, Vedith?

Do you want to be mod confirmed Mafia?

I said that because you say this.

I'm not voting Real until reasoning is explained.

I have a power where mod confirmed Real as scum.

[Realeo]

I assume that mod confirmed is a bitter scumread so when you don't show that bitterness with interacting me--like your bitterness at Mislead 2--I assume that you now townread me. So I asked where's that attitude, Vedith? That question should be obvious that I'm asking if there's a read change.

[Realeo]

I still don't get what your argument is here.
You are trying to defend against me calling you scum even though I'm scum because me calling you mod confirmed scum isn't to be considered as a joke?
Explain it to me if I got that wrong.

I consider that mod confirmed scum joke is an actual "Vedith scumread Realeo" However, you're not Mislead 2 bitter when interacting me, so what changes? There's no consistency. You also flailed when I asked about LQ.

The town Vedith that I know doesn't flail. HIs read can be shitty, but his shittiness is consistent.

With the changing assumed in paragraph 1, I fail to see consistency.

[Realeo]

I said that because you say this.

So you either believed this is a real power and shit your pants, or you doubted that town would ever know your alignment so early. Either way your reaction to it was not town, and until now I just assumed you took it as a joke and that's why you didn't push against me 'lying' more.

No I said that because I believe "I have mod confirmed power" == "Vedith scumreads Realeo"

[Realeo]

Lets try something funky for a change:

VOTE: Gamma

See! This is my problem with you.

Oh well, I will give up then. Maybe it is indeed playstyle.

Scum claim.

VOTE: Real

Fuck off. I was interacting with you but you went off. Now, I'm interacting with Vedith.

[Realeo]

The town Vedith that I know doesn't flail. HIs read can be shitty, but his shittiness is consistent.

Says he doesn't know my play, then uses my meta?
This is scum, easy game easy money.

Also, I didn't flail on LQ read.

I don't know the joke part.

[Realeo]

I don't know the joke part.

Anyone who meta's me (even more so my town game) knows that I joke a lot.

I played with you in

[1] The Purge
[2] Duck, Duck Goose
[3] Mislead 2

Show me you joking with your scumread. Show me.

[Realeo]

The Vedith I know can joke.

Aww man, me and NM almost won!

(The context of the joke is Vedith and NM can joke)

But man business when it comes to read.

Subject: Micro 650: Mislead 2: A Maze of our Own Devising (Restarted)

realeo seems awkward with his posting from what I've experienced, keep in mind my personal experience with him is only us as scum buddies.
I can see scum trying to push him early on, and later in the game if he's town.

I assume that "Realeo is mod confirmed mafia" was man business.

[Realeo]

The reason was I believe that was man business becuase Vedith was bitter in Mislead 2, and bring his scumread bitterness to this game.

[Realeo]

You can read them yourselves.
I'm also sure that we have been in other completed games, which I'll check when home.

Duck duck goose and the purge I was scum, so you are saying the only game you are using your meta to know how I act as town is Mislead 2, where I obviously didn't understand the setup.

Not completed game. Ongoing game. I do not know your role in the ongoing game.

Second. What does didn't understand the setup has to do with scumreading? That has to do with the lynching mechanism, which was weird, but not the read.

[Realeo]

Not claiming bitter but negelcting any rebuttal that I made in that game.

@Mod - Replace me out

[Realeo]

but to try and imply I am breaking site rules to cover you up on being scum is a joke.

I didn't say you break the rule by having mod knowledge.

I say that I don't know that was a figure of speech.

[Realeo]

Guys calm the fuck down pls

[1] I understand that people can make stupid argument once in a while. I mean, that's fact of life of playing mafia right? Once in a while, you just screw up, right?

But Vedith make weird accusation like me accusing hime break the rule. When the are things like that, you have to pull the break.

I can handle toxic

mafia

debate (been there, done there)

but I cannot handle toxic

ethic

debate.

I /in this game, to guess whether someone is fictional good or fictional evil. I do not /in to guess whether someone is IRL good or IRL evil. If I want to guess someone is IRL good or IRL evil, I won't play mafia. My real life situation provides that.

Even if Vedith /out, it will be painful to read his slot replacement.

[2] I'm facing The Finals. Maybe I do need a break. I hope I can meet with you guys in future game. Seriously, I do. Merry Christmas.

[Realeo]

[Realeo]

*applause*