Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What up nerds and Transcend

VOTE: sesq

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's rvs I just got off work and am happy to be here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's rvs

Upon closer inspection my vote is no longer rvs,

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is backwards to me

And I mean, if you say RVS isn't over...

VOTE: Transcend

He says "If you say RVS isn't over" then votes you

because

you said that. That is not a random vote, that is a vote with a reason. So why pretend it is rvs? Why not call you out for perpetuating a gamestate that doesn't lead us any closer to scum?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

now let's just hope he's town

r u me?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The subtle appeal to fear,

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Post 54 isn't me contributing though, it's just me answering transcend

[ssbm_Kyouko]

!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah rb's wagon is illegitimate, nobody should be seriously worried about it. Even if he were put at l-1 this early he shouldn't claim because there's no way he would stay on l-1, someone would unvote.

What Uzi is doing is k

Impoetic vote was also just fine, not sure why people are freaking out about l-2 right now.

Pedit: Everyone is posting so fast I was replying to page 7

Also not sure about imp anymore after these pages.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah Kohai and Sesq are the only ones overreacting to impoetic's vote. T guy is okay but avatar is bad
Trans - I see why you're voting Impoetic but doesn't this feel a little orchestrated? Day talk is on and this got real serious over a joke vote real fast.

Vote count pls

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Going back to work but when I get home I'll ascend and get to the bottom of this

[ssbm_Kyouko]

rb what's the drealmerz vote for? You were saying it's debatable if he's doing what he's doing because he's confused town or because he's scum

Earlier you suspected me for saying your action could just as easily be either town or scum motivated so just checkin yo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Pedit: I have literally no idea what you are trying to say to me dreal

I think when he said "allyall" he meant there were many scum with Impoetic and when he said "except sesq" he was saying you're not scum with them. Only commenting on this because of what drone just posted about drealmerz making a mountain out of a slope.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

His comment on rb not considering that he is a good scum player is implying that rb knows Mr. T is not scum, which implies that rb is scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kk rb that's fair

Pedit: Kohai is that a serious post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ok I'm ready to rumble.
rabbit is town. Mr. T is town and has a bad avatar, Transcend is town and has a cool avatar

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I already explained it above. His interaction with rb is solid. Processing today's posts on my pc as we speak

expect swift justice,

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ok the results are in
VOTE: impoetic
Not digging the reactions

LUV/rb potentially a team but imp scummier than they are
I approve of Rabbit, Trans, TTTT, and drealm

bjork baby is Mr.T AKA TTTT

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Too soon for him, but may turn out ok

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Your last few posts at the time he said that were very different than the rest of your posts so far so it doesn't look right. Makes it look like acting is happening

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Your last few posts at the time he said that were very different than the rest of your posts so far so it doesn't look right. Makes it look like acting is happening

can you flesh this out with quotes of the "very different" i can't really follow this

Sure. Basically, I knew you were new to this site and I assumed you'd be newer to the game as well. The conversation with Transcend just makes me think newbtown but then I realized you just don't know that he always plays like this. Once you came to accept that you started doing things that actually made sense as a town player. I'll mark that point where you change within the quotes.

Spoiler: Doesn't know Transcend's playstyle

i read your iso and my first impression is its scummy

shallow thinking all around, and you seem to be consciously trying to look like a loose town member

you lack town-perspective analysis

it's impossible to follow any progression on your reads and i dont think a town member would just randomly state "drealmerz is a mislynch"

its like you're banking on being tone townread but youre too lazy to put in the work to make believable reads on people

VOTE: transcend

explain your strongest 3 reads, whether town or scum please

why do you think im town transcend

play doesn't seem scum motivated

i'll throw u in the big house if ur mafia lol

yea i dont believe you right now sorry

be more pro-town

Rabbit! Gimme yo fluffy Basis (quotes) pl0x!

if you mean the basis of my case on transcend, i just need people to hit his iso button and see if they agree with my analysis on him

"shallow thinking all around, and you seem to be consciously trying to look like a loose town member

you lack town-perspective analysis

it's impossible to follow any progression on your reads and i dont think a town member would just randomly state "drealmerz is a mislynch"

its like you're banking on being tone townread but youre too lazy to put in the work to make believable reads on people"

could be wrong, i'm not the type of player to tunnel someone for an entire gameday, but i would like more clear explanation from transcend of how he's reading the people he has reads on

if town lets scum!transcend ride into lategame on his reputation or something i'm going to be tilted

but if you are town now i'm expecting u to catch us a scum today

Spoiler: Comes to terms and starts acting right

"you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenario"

like

im pretty sure this is not a scum player's defense

it's both a real thought process and doesnt look good

scum have fake thought processes that look shallow but not bad in the same way

shannon do you see the town tone in recent 3 posts lol

this kind of indignation is not easy to fake well

also how'd my last few posts send me back to null

impoetic stop defending yourself and start finding the scum on your wagon lol

pedit: Is that really what you take from him? You're suspicious that his posts are "designed" in some way after reading what he's posting?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I was and still am willing to work out which is why I asked those questions last night but you ran away.

Drealmerz whatcha think? Still trying to work it out or what?

Kohai is one of the guys who initially overreacts to the L-2 on rb. He hasn't posted much but he hasn't posted town yet either. LUV what do you think about rabbit probably (he said he would rethink it) SRing him?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Is drone trying to say he suspects you? lol

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Transcend isn't trying to scare you into thinking you're wrong though, he's voting Kohai

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There's a good reason for drealm vs LUV but it might have been a misunderstanding after all. I'm still sitting on this til drealm comes back with something later but he already said it would be later when he's less tired

This is fine for now
VOTE: Kohai

Time to take more notes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ssbm kyouko does my interaction with trans really not make sense to you as a town player?

What makes you think I think this? This is not what I think

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh lol I started answering you on my phone while i was cooking breakfast but got back on my pc

[ssbm_Kyouko]

rabbit - Yeah we disagree on that then. With my knowledge of Transcend, it does not look productive to try to engage him in the way you did. He can be engaged, but if you try to do it directly you won't get anywhere most of the time. You're right about you not knowing Transcends playstyle being a justification for posting those things, that's why I'm leaning town on you now

after

you figured Trans out a bit and "started doing things that actually made sense as a town player."

Getting to you drone

[ssbm_Kyouko]

RB is at L-2. Please no more votes on him until I can fully catch up. I will treat any hammer as a scum claim.

VOTE: Impoetic

Joke votes this far in the game is not town play.

L-2 is very bad. Especially at this point in DP1.

@Kyouku

If this is what you call overreacting, then Impoetic has been nuking us with drama.

I think this is the question you're talking about. 169 is Kohai's overreaction. The wagon on rb is not serious at all and Kohai and Sesq both chastise Impoetic for the L-2 vote. Impoetic starts out with really bad reactions to the votes on her, but by the time you posted 471 I've already moved on from Impoetic. I was sitting on my LUV vote until I heard more between drealm and LUV, and I will come back to that after drealm gets to it.

Rabbit - There are easier scum to catch D1 than scum!Trans. Better to find someone more obvious because town!Trans is good at catching scum, and Trans plays similarly both alignments, especially early

[ssbm_Kyouko]

soft defense of transcend by calling pressure there scummy

Never said this. Said something similar, but you're reading me wrong

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Definitely not feeling bad about my play here, it's going to let me read him. If he is scum I will find out soon enough

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Elaborating defeats the purpose of reading between the lines,

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I never said I would read him d1. Are we reading the same things?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That's twice now

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Mod is Australian I think they're sleeping for a few more hours unless they get up real early

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm watching anime dude

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Actually chuckling over "construct his responses"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

U GUYS

KYO IS OBV TOWN

STAHP

link me a town game of kyoukos and ill consider believing you

still waiting on this btw

None of my games on this site are completed so I don't think I can link you an ongoing wherein I was lynched as town. If I can I will, I think it's against the site rules though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ok I finished taking my notes like I was trying to do earlier. Brace yourselves

Spoiler:

@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

Consistency is town trait
It's not a Newbie game, I think it's obvious and needless to say. But I can agree that it was a bit too early to give that read.

@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...

Because of the 101st point on Impoetic, durr!

What strikes rb as scum to you?

Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.

Spoiler: Like this never happened

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

Upon wagon collapse, he gives me a TR.

TTTT goes like “look, I'm town alright? I have reasoning and I'm sure of what I'm doing" in this post. I'm buying it!

scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.

Then he just shits on it with "fuck it, no I'm scum".

And that's why TTTT is scum guys!

Welcome back drone. Excellent analysis.

I'm off to bed. It's almost 3 am.

These posts together don't make sense to me. I pointed it out back then, asking if Kohai was being sarcastic but got no reply so I can only think he seriously thought Drone's case was legit

Nah, Iron ain't scum.
He's vibe transmit Village Idiot to me, my receptors don't lie.
I think it's only politically correct to lynch him!

This is Drone saying that he thinks it would be right to lynch someone he thinks is town this early in the day. He doesn't vote him though, just sort of encourages the idea of others voting him.

Fuck you spammers I don't want to read this garbage Lynch drone he's spamming this thread up why the fuck is there 18 pages?!?!

This guy is writing fucking nonsense and transcend is handing out town reads like hot cakes. He prob town reads Hitler too

VOTE: drone

I do not like this post at all.

Ironstove is now a strong scumread.

VOTE: Ironstove

He has only posted four times in the game and is very difficult to read. I don't like how he comes in out of nowhere and immediately votes drone and accuses him of spamming.

The first post is fine by itself, because iron chose some really bad ways to express his ideas there. What bugs me is that now we have Kohai openly defending Drone as though Drone

hasn't

been muddying his posts intentionally for most of the game so far.

RB is at L-2. Please no more votes on him until I can fully catch up. I will treat any hammer as a scum claim.

VOTE: Impoetic

Joke votes this far in the game is not town play.

L-2 is very bad. Especially at this point in DP1.

@Kyouku

If this is what you call overreacting, then Impoetic has been nuking us with drama.

I think he's trying to divert me away from Kohai and back towards the town!Impoetic wagon with this

i reread impo and think shes town lol

Saved me the work of voting and then unvoting.
Wondering about Fluffy now.

Take cover, I feel like we're giving way too much legitimation to Fluffy's blade fury!

These 2 posts look like an overreaction to obvtown!rabbit having a vague SR on Kohai. I don't see this as a town reaction so I decide to test the waters and vote Kohai to see what Drone will do.

Drealm needs reasons to keep drilling under Uzi..
That is why you can't get it!

I'm fine with taking Iron out.
VOTE: Ironstove

TTTT moved to the Null void.

I don't see the town motivation in voting for someone who you have admitted you think is VI. He's also bringing up Drealm and LUV again even though they've agreed to get back to each other later and not let them distract the rest of us from what's at hand.

FoS: Kyouku.

Instead of answering my reasonable question, you go further and vote.
Doesn't seem intentional to me, but also not something I like!

Elaborating defeats the purpose of reading between the lines,

Wow.

VOTE: Kyouku

Marvelous, that's one scum.

So now Drone is initially FoSing me partly because I voted Kohai, which is what I expected scum!Drone to do, so when he votes me I'm feeling more sure about this one. The vote on me is not town motivated.

U GUYS

KYO IS OBV TOWN

STAHP

Honestly transcend, it is shitposts like this one that gives me an FOS on you.

Kohai FoSes Transcend for having a TR on the player that is voting himself.

My top town reads right now are rabbit and drone.

Not only that but he so boldly outs that drone is one of his top townreads along with the player who is probably the most townread player in the game at this point

To do list:

1. Make case against transcend
2. ISO kyouko
3. Respond to impoetic.

@rabbit - just to clarify, do you town read or scum read me? If you scum read me, why?

I'm eager to hear what kind of scumbo jumbo

teehee, a pun

Kohai comes up with on Trans and I because it's gonna be good

I think they are together but it also makes a little sense to me for it to be scum!Drone whiteknighting town!Kohai, so I'll be putting my vote on Drone since he's the scum in both cases

VOTE: Drone

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hi

Drone is a mislynch

Bye

hey is he town though or just not for today? Him and Kohai are definitely defending each other

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Page 22 the plot T H I C C E N S and slows down the catch-up

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well I haven't see anyone else voting for someone who they think is town yet. Gonna go back to when trans TRs you and see why he's convinced.

@Impoetic & Kyouko
My "take cover" post is the continuation of the “blades sting" post where I question Fluffy's reads as they've been all around and feel like he can't focus his srs.

Kyouko.
I fosed you for ignoring my question, the voting part was just an addition.
Worst than that, you go reaction testing? Really?
That's a bad cover for your actions.

No point in PL if I'm alone in it. But if it would have happened, I'd be all in and committed.

Unfortunately for Kyouko, they failed to defending themselves.

Fluffy is just scumhunting. The timing of your take cover post makes it look like it was in reaction to the Kohai FoS. If anything the FoS came from you because I didn't reply to a comment of yours directed at me. There was never a question. I responded to your comment before you voted me, so the vote was not an addition at all, but a separate event. A bad reaction to my vote, the same way your take cover post was a bad reaction to fluffy's FoS on Kohai.
Again you voice that you would lynch town intentionally. We're nowhere near that point in the day.
There's nothing to defend myself on now, but I will defend this case

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Right. I was "getting to" the comment you addressed at me. A comment and a question are not the same thing. You said I was ignoring your question, when I replied to that

comment

in 514 I even said "I think this is the question you're talking about." I didn't even realize you were trying to question me there until you said I ignored your question, because you never actually asked me a question.

After I voted Kohai (both to reaction test you and to pressure a scumlean) but before you voted me, you put a FoS on me:

FoS: Kyouku.

Instead of answering my reasonable question, you go further and vote.
Doesn't seem intentional to me, but also not something I like!

After you FoSed me but before you voted me, I replied to your comment:

RB is at L-2. Please no more votes on him until I can fully catch up. I will treat any hammer as a scum claim.

VOTE: Impoetic

Joke votes this far in the game is not town play.

L-2 is very bad. Especially at this point in DP1.

@Kyouku

If this is what you call overreacting, then Impoetic has been nuking us with drama.

I think this is the question you're talking about. 169 is Kohai's overreaction. The wagon on rb is not serious at all and Kohai and Sesq both chastise Impoetic for the L-2 vote. Impoetic starts out with really bad reactions to the votes on her, but by the time you posted 471 I've already moved on from Impoetic. I was sitting on my LUV vote until I heard more between drealm and LUV, and I will come back to that after drealm gets to it.

Rabbit - There are easier scum to catch D1 than scum!Trans. Better to find someone more obvious because town!Trans is good at catching scum, and Trans plays similarly both alignments, especially early

You then voted me in 532

That you are now trying to pretend like you were never being reaction tested is confirming my suspicion.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Being caught doing what, exactly?
Are you going to continue to be vague about what you are accusing me of?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

466/467 is where I decide to put a hold on Uzi and Drealm after I've been watching them all the previous night. I do not think that was scum interaction which means that at least one of them should be town. Since they both

agreed

to put a hold on it I decided it would be best for me to reserve my judgment until they finished, or until it became clear that neither had the intention of following up. If neither followed up it would look more like a scum interaction. Pointing this out makes it harder to judge this situation because if they are both scum they will probably follow it up now to look more town.

I voted Kohai because I thought the real intent when you posted about Rabbit's blades was to appear nonchalant about all the suspicions he's been throwing around. The timing of this post did not look coincidental to me so I decided to test you while voting on Kohai, a scumlean, instead of asking you directly. I tested instead of asking you because I thought you were suspicious and wanted to see if you would do what I expected scum!drone to do.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If I felt like your TR on Kohai was justified I would have asked you directly, but I don't think there was ever reason to TR him. Because I didn't see a reason to TR him, I was thinking that you must have a reason to TR him that I don't: your role pm. I'm not going to ask someone who I think might be scum a direct question so they can formulate a towny response and convince me they're town, I'm going to do something to make them act, and see if they act towny or not. If they act towny enough, maybe next time I'll talk to them directly since I can be more trusting of their words.
I don't like to explain myself too soon because it lets scum know what I'm looking for and helps them evade me.
I have many notes on you, and just about everyone else in my notes file for this game. Reading these notes led me to decide you were worth testing.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nice walls guys

But you're both town

Let's hang one of shannon, Uzi, kohai, Ironstove, or rb.

TTTT's scum pile is fucking excellent.

Why's drone town though? I mean I've been eyeballing Mr. T's scumpile since he posted it but then drone looked like he was defending kohai, so I checked him and he kept doing it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If Kohai ever flips scum I'll be back
UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'd lynch Kohai/LUV>Shannon>rb>iron at this point. Tomorrow's monday though so Iron will be back and maybe that will change.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm getting off work in 5 hours. I'll make my cases then. For now, FOS on:

1. Impoetic
2. Dreal
3. RB

I'm fairly confident at least one of these is scum. I will further make my case when I get off.

To do list:

1. Make case against transcend
2. ISO kyouko
3. Respond to impoetic.

@rabbit - just to clarify, do you town read or scum read me? If you scum read me, why?

If you're still feeling any of those first 3 cases when you catch up let's hear a bit.
Don't forget the to do list though,

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Iron - Alright so you're funny but if you're not going to read the game how will you know who to vote?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

When I take my notes on the motivations behind posts almost every note on you is a bad look. There's lots of discussion but never a real push on anyone except maybe drealmz and I'm on his side of that one. I get the feeling that you're trying to mediate more than you're trying to find scum from your posts, and that looks very fence-sitty to me. When you do out some suspicions in 272 it's on Drealmerz and Impoetic who both seem towny to me now. I see associations with rb and shannon, but I'm not TRing either of them so it looks worse to me. 442 looks like a bad reason to vote someone who later turned out to be probably town. Should have settled with Drealmerz before voting Imp if you were being consistent about that argument with him imo. I really don't like 459 and don't like that shannon, another person I'm not TRing, gives points for that kind of post later on. 460/463 seem like really FoS-style posts on Rabbit but you never vote him or follow up on it yourself, you just let me and rabbit go at it. Analysis post-discussion makes me think you were trying to lead me into that.

30 and 452 are actually the only posts of yours I have a positive note on.

Those are just some highlights, but that's what I'm reading so far on you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

guilty until proven innocent is a better way for town to play imo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

if i did something that made me realistically obvtown to everyone who had previously SRed me where I wasn't until that point, I'm too dumb to figure it out on my own.

It wasn't any one post that made me think "Yeah, she's probably not a lynch today." It was the entirety of the conversation with rabbit that initially got me thinking this way. At first you did look scummy with all the wallposts that looked kinda scum AtE-esque, but the more I saw you post the more genuine it looked. I was fine following fluffy's read based on that since he seems the most town to me now and he seemed the most town to me then. You've done more things to solidify that TR since and I don't think anyone

should

be trying to lynch you today. It's possible that there were scum on your wagon at the time that hopped off because they realized that the town on your wagon were starting to TR you though. So people would get off your wagon whether they were town or not imo. I just skimmed the VCs and only saw Sesq, Kohai, Transcend, and ironstove on you but I could have sworn I was voting you.

Just checked myself, I was definitely voting you for about 12 hrs, mod must've been asleep,

post sinks

It was like page 17/18 and I was convinced by what rabbit was saying about how "scum can't fake interactions that fast" (unless you rehearsed that with rabbit in daytalk PT and I don't see rabbit as scum right now at all), that's like right where I was at.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

On break at work will reply to Impoetic when I'm off in a few hours but I prefer Kyouko to SSBM for what it's worth

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean they're in really poor taste but iron's posts about Kohai's vla st least look like genuine scum hunting. Don't tr him yet but don't think he's today's lynch anymore for me. Want to hear more from rb before I vote I think but will need to check my notes once I'm off phone. Also will get to Impoetic when I'm home, it's hard to fully address walls from phone.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm most curious about the suggestion to lynch drealmerz. I get why you'd think at least one of me and Transcend are scum and I follow the claim that Sesq's vote is opportunistic (because it is, but that doesn't make her scummy in this gamestate) but the consensus right now seems to be to find the scummiest scum out of TTTT's scumpool from 441 and rope them. I'm pretty sure I'm TRing a scum rn but I think there are 2 scum in TTTT's pool + shannon so I like my chances better in there, especially when I'm seeing team associations between you and LUV and between LUV and shannon and maybe even between you and shannon I'd have to reread my notes and maybe the thread. Sesq voting is getting you to talk so we can figure out if you're scum or if you just aren't showing you're town yet.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OOH, GARY

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kohai flaked pretty hard so if you could find scum outside of TTTT and rabbit that'd be great, preferably inside rb, Uzi, shannon. I mean whatever you can find is good but just like read up or if you want to know something specific I could go over my

hot opinions

.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh I just forgot about it, got a lot going on. Reminds me I gotta reply to Impoetic too now that I'm back on PC.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@SSBM:

That feeling you're getting is me either trying to understand or understanding a case on someone and realizing the main or majority of the reasons for said case is NAI. I also never voted for Impoetic.

I don't understand the problem with 459, I'm just simply going by off of what Iron said. I'm not going to vote someone for obvious shit posting and filler when they claimed they would play serious today. They have yet to deliver though and today at least EST time is basically over so my suspicion has gone up, but I mean other then what I just said, there isn't a case on Iron. My vote is going to remain on Drealm until my questions get answered, someone scums it up more than him in my eyes, or I have to compromise.

My comments on Fluffy is just a thing I do where I select notes I have taken that I feel are worth putting out there for discussion or potentially the most relevant

Shannon is just a meta read honestly and rb's silence is a bit worrying. Almost seems like he's laid low to take the heat off him.

So that could be true in most of these cases from my notes. Something I didn't really consider when I read before though, but I'm definitely thinking now, is that maybe you're scum looking for a town member who has a pretty good scum case against them, so that you can get onto their wagon. It doesn't change the fact that your vote seemed to just park on drealmerz for ages and you seemed to be okay with putting that off, which is why I waited to reserve judgment, but now you're talking like you never agreed to do that and he's the one avoiding you. My mistake on the Impo vote, you outed suspicion a couple of times and 442 reads to me like you were explaining why your vote was on her, but I see now that it wasn't.

I get that you know shannon b/c of both of your posts in RVS so that's something that could be passing but I'm not feeling that really. rb is back now but isn't very convincing so he's still fair game in my book.

Problem with 459 for me is that it's something that shouldn't have to be posted. Town shouldn't be putting a vote on someone who can't respond to it because of V/LA sort of situations. If anything you keep quiet and see how many people are willing to put their votes on him because there's sure to be scum on that kind of wagon if it gets to 3-4 people. Like I said before I also don't like seeing shannon giving you towncred for it later because I don't think it's a post deserving of that. It's thickening a team association between two players that I'm not TRing, which makes them look more suspicious to me as individuals as well.

I think it's important for you and Drealmerz to talk about that potential misunderstanding from earlier asap. rb's posts have not looked very driven so far, more like he's coasting through. I want to decide between the 2 of you today because I don't think that a shannon lynch right now would be useful if she flipped town. She hasn't really posted enough yet I think. Depending on how iron keeps on he might come back into my lynchpool, but I'm sort of feeling town from him despite his rudeness.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

that quote was a mistake and not associated with the post.

@Kyouko:

i understand that, but I don't feel like I stopped the walls, and I don't understand what changed for people that were

outwardly scumreading me

before and then flipped, because i didn't intentionally change my playstyle as far as I can remember, and even if i did... it seems like something that might be seen as towny by

some

people, but not ALL, and certainly not all of the people who had scumread me for everything up until that point and were therefore not connecting with my mindset; on top of them, some of them should have been somewhat confbiased on top of it. Does this make sense?

Tbh I don't quite understand this post, especially the part about confirmation bias. I'm curious as to who all you think was outwardly scumreading you and then flipped though just so there's a list of people to look at. I know Transcend, rabbit, LUV and I are on that list as people suspecting you, and I know Trans and I voted you, not sure on others without double-checking.

Like, I can imagine that getting pressure off me helped me not seem hyperdefensive because, well, duh, but there's

also

rabbit's scene, and that seems more concrete than any of the tells you've been describing. Like, they make sense, and i can think of reasons for people to flip, but not reasons substantial enough to convince

everyone

in a pool of players who ALL claimed to think I was scummy before that point. IIRC i have literally no votes on me now. That's like, 5-0. in a short space of time.

No, not all the flips can be mafia; I just think some of them probably are, and I felt like drone was potentially one of the scummier ones.

This part makes sense. I don't know if I agree on drone yet since I haven't really looked into what everyone was thinking of you specifically, but if you get that list of people that you think flipped I'd be down to go through it and try to find scum motivation in the flips. It seems likely that at least one person voting/suspecting you then flipping would have been scummy, unless scum was just scratching their ass with their votes parked on drealmerz which seems really unlikely that all 3 of them are scum.

Also not being hyperdefensive because of fewer votes is a chicken/egg scenario, because clearly some of the people who unvoted did not unvote for that, and it seems like most of htem claim not to.

There's also an odd consensus on the reasons people have been using for why i'm scum/town respectively. Again, no argument i've seen for either side has been substantial enough to make me think "jeeze, i would connect with this if i didn't have my alignment confirmed to me ahead of time" and "it totally makes sense that there's so little conflict on my alignment."

I guess that's it. Lack of conflict. Everyone agrees. That's not what I've seen in the past, and it could jsut be coincidence, but to me it seems the simplest (possibly too simple) conclusion is that some of the votes are not genuine sentiments.

This last bit I agree with, but I don't think the conclusion is too simple. I don't believe in coincidence and it seems highly unlikely that everyone voting/suspecting you was town the whole time

*not a chicken/egg scenario but you know what i mean

oh frick i'm quadrupleposting sorry ):

anyway, i wanted to point out that town can sheep logic/be swayed by popular consensus too, and I understand that is a possible scenario. So yeah okay votes can either be town or scum.

I'll have to review it i suppose. Or look up VCA, because I don't think improvising completely is a good strategy. Or just stop and look elsewhere.

While town sheeping is possible I again think it would be too unlikely if 5(?) town members read a 6(?)th town member as scum without any scum in the pack. Scum join in the pack against town to give townspeople more of a pack mentality when reading someone who is actually town as scum. When a townsperson sees a lot of votes on someone they TR have to start thinking about the possibility that maybe they're wrong because why are so many people SRing my TR? Scum have too much motivation to SR you if you're town when the suspicion starts to get heavier for them to resist doing it. If you're really town then there are surely scum who flipped off of SRing you.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: rb
What makes you say that Drone?

I was hoping to see improvement from rb but it never came and his iso really bothers me.
First he SRs me for something I feel was unwarranted, then he starts to show association first with shannon then LUV. He tries to discredit an already weak drealmerz vote, which I think is an overreaction to what is probably a weak SR. He mentions the game being boring and him being disinterested in the game a couple of times in there. I don't do meta reads that are presented to me so idc about the image macro tell that people are talking about, nor have I read any of the example games posted.

He tells people to vote me on 3 separate occasions, then when he reaches 4 votes on himself he suddenly forgets why he was ever SRing me and switches onto TTTT. Once everyone besides TTTT get off of it he turns to buddying the last person left on his wagon. I think the only reason rb dropped me down his priority lynches is because it seemed unlikely I would be lynched since Transcend TRs me. Not sure if it was before or after the announcing of the "block". He still wanted to vote Sesq/Drealmerz>Me>Impo, because the first 2 of us were the ones that flipped off his wagon and Impo was the strongest wagon at the time (at 3 votes). I think him putting my name on that list between his SRs was an attempt to look consistent and still set up to later vote Impo if she dug herself any deeper. He mentions a second time in 262 that he forgot why he was SRing me in the first place, which looks like he's trying to disassociate himself from it.

I just don't see him flipping town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

true dat

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh rb that post you quoted by LUV was talking about Drealmerz not sitting down to finish discussing the early d1 argument that may or may not have been a misunderstanding

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also the rb buddying up to TTTT was when he said you were probably town for staying on his wagon when it got to L-2 so fast in the beginning of the game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Listen to ur <3 sesq

[ssbm_Kyouko]

rb is a phony kill him

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What of Drealm's don't you trust right now? His push on rb?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm drunk rn and can't look for the slip but if you quote it maybe I'll believe you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

and how is my lack on concern not?

I think I'd say the same but I think it's more like we're just saying" get it over with" and he's maybe being scummy about it. Idk, I'd be willing to look at drealmerz if rb flips town but I dont like people just assuming there is a vig to shoot rb.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The way I see it rb is either town or scum (duh)
If we don't lynch rb today and he is town aligned, scum probably won't waste a shot on him when there are more obvious town leaders to be killed (Trans who has claimed a PR, and TTTT who I think nobody but Drone and rb have outed scumreads on). Don't want him alive as town in MyLo or LyLo.
If he flips town, Transcend and I are worth looking at D2, but I don't like pushing Gerry to a claim on D1 when we have a clear choice in rb.

If trans really is JK and rb is scum and we flip him, It means the scum team is probably in the small pool we have narrowed down due to the earlier team associations between rb, Shannon, luv. If scum doesn't have a rb here there's potential for him to block the kill.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh neat replacement. If you get a chance on the catch up - What do you think of ironstove? iamafluffyrabbit and ironstove know each other irl so I think it's really relevant to hear what you think without the meta reads altering your judgment.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus - TTTT wanting a rivaling Gerry wagon looked like a way to try to get better data for VC analysis once one or the other flipped. There are 2 people voting Gerry rn. TTTT and ironstove. ironstove was the one who originally came up with the meta case on rb that got people voting him, but now ironstove is nowhere to be found on the wagon. If Gerry's wagon is scum-driven, do you think TTTT or ironstove are more likely to be scum for being on it?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

SSBM - I might be mistaken but I didn't think many people voted RB because of Ironstone's meta case. (You are referring to Ironstone's point about how many images or gifs he used in his play, right?). Also, weren't half of us scum reading Ironstone at the point he made that post?

If anything, I would say that Ironstone's meta case was a minor point against RB, and that most people are/were sheeping Transcend or responding to Transcend's pressure. Have I misunderstood?

Not sure. That is what I was referring to though. Lots of people were feeling suspicious about his posting patterns I think but idk how many people had him as a strong SR. I thought I remembered someone commenting that they thought it was a good catch but maybe not. I'm not sure that any of the votes on rb are sheeps. If people would sheep Transcend rb would be lynched.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

all of you sheep me, if gerry is not scum I will hammer myself in the balls and post it on yt

Well ironstone believes Gerry is scum. Such a bet is illegal though.

Transcend, when both options are likely town, scum don't have to do anything to lynch a PR. With all three major wagons on town, scum likely have a thumb up their asses.

What are the three major wagons? I only count rb and gerry, unless you're talking about the previous impoetic wagon as well. If we've been wagoning town all day do you suspect scum have been off the wagons? Maybe we look at who hasn't been voting these major wagons?

Transcend, what if you agree to help us lynch D7 and then if he somehow flips town, we'll lynch rb tomorrow?

Spoiler:

NO.

Agreed here.

You're agreeing with Transcend, not LUV, right? I didn't notice you were even quoting transcend because of the spoiler at first but I was thinking you were suddenly on board with a D7 lynch which was really throwing my read on your slot for a loop.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey T-dog why do you want to see a competing gerry wagon? rb and LUV are teamtelling af early game, both acting p scummy lately, rb wagon is being met with a lot of resistance. P sure LUV and rb are 2/3 do you really think gerry is third? Or even that he's more likely than rb at this point?

Also this looks like a scumslip to me

Transcend, what if you agree to help

us

lynch D7 and then if he somehow flips town, we'll lynch rb tomorrow?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Would someone (other than Transcend) like to explain please, with quotes, what the case on RB is?

Maybe. *opens notes file*

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also it's kinda silly to ask in that way if you're SRing Transcend because the mafia have daytalk in this setup.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So a quick summary of my reasons for voting rb up to the point I voted him are here, which I think you've already seen:

I was hoping to see improvement from rb but it never came and his iso really bothers me.
First he SRs me for something I feel was unwarranted, then he starts to show association first with shannon then LUV. He tries to discredit an already weak drealmerz vote, which I think is an overreaction to what is probably a weak SR. He mentions the game being boring and him being disinterested in the game a couple of times in there. I don't do meta reads that are presented to me so idc about the image macro tell that people are talking about, nor have I read any of the example games posted.

He tells people to vote me on 3 separate occasions, then when he reaches 4 votes on himself he suddenly forgets why he was ever SRing me and switches onto TTTT. Once everyone besides TTTT get off of it he turns to buddying the last person left on his wagon. I think the only reason rb dropped me down his priority lynches is because it seemed unlikely I would be lynched since Transcend TRs me. Not sure if it was before or after the announcing of the "block". He still wanted to vote Sesq/Drealmerz>Me>Impo, because the first 2 of us were the ones that flipped off his wagon and Impo was the strongest wagon at the time (at 3 votes). I think him putting my name on that list between his SRs was an attempt to look consistent and still set up to later vote Impo if she dug herself any deeper. He mentions a second time in 262 that he forgot why he was SRing me in the first place, which looks like he's trying to disassociate himself from it.

I just don't see him flipping town.

Spoiler: Quotes detailing the points in 849

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

First he SRs me for something I feel was unwarranted^

so I'm thinking scum would usually hop on a 4th spot in a situation like this and push the wagon along / at least see if it gets a little more traction...that they haven't eeeither means there is scum already on it and they don't want to double-down, or it is scum...

Or you know, maybe they haven't had time to vote yet? I'll have to go back and look at the wagon, but it's interesting that you're trying to narrow it down to either the wagon target or the wagon members, at this early stage.

VOTE: Drealmerz

I like this post. Shannon can be town for now

Shannon association^

VOTE: rb

Mind sharing why?

Fear vote imo. At least it's what I'll tell myself to feel good.

Discrediting what looks like a legit vote. May or may not be an attitude tell over a scum tell

This game's boring, we should lynch a scum or 5 to spice it up.

I'm actually really bored of mafia right now and I think drealmerz + sesq are both good lynches.

it's not sesq voting it's me getting back from work and posting, i'm still pretty uninterested in mafia atm because i'm generally tired

Here's all the posts about him being bored which I wasn't a fan of from above. The meta dive, like I said, was whatever. Not part of my vote, maybe not part of anyone's besides ironstoves original one?

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

So here are the posts where he's telling people to vote me

Actually I forgot why I was scumreading ssbm.

VOTE: TTTTT

Naked vote entrance, insists Drone explains stuff when all he's done is naked vote.

Then suddenly he's forgotten why he SRs me and doesn't even check his own or my ISOs to try to remember?

how the fuck did my wagon evaporate? scummiest wagon ive ever fucking seen tbh

TTTT is probably town for staying on it actually

UNVOTE: TTTT

Here's the buddying TTTT part. He does it some more later if you read the full ISO.

I think theres scum in Impo/sesq/drealmerz/someone else i forgot the name of but i think Impo is the worst pick of the bunch

Was it Drone? His entrance was a little awkward and felt kind of forced.

i remember it was ssbm - but i forgot why i was even scumreading him as well now

Again this just looks off to me. If I forgot why I was SRing someone I'd go back and review what they'd done to see if I'm still going to SR them or if maybe I overreacted to something they posted. I wouldn't just assume I was wrong automatically and not check back. Maybe it doesn't matter to rb why he reads players either way because he already knows everyone's alignment? Something I pointed out below.

His comment on rb not considering that he is a good scum player is implying that rb knows Mr. T is not scum, which implies that rb is scum.

rb drops off of the map for a while (47 hours, but one of those days is a Sunday) after replying to my 287 and comes back with one of his "I'm bored" posts. As I said in 849 at the top of this post I was hoping to see improvement in rb upon his return, but I didn't see that. Post-claim rb looks like he's trying and maybe he's town but I still think the claim is fake and I wish he would have tried sooner than this. If he turns out to be town maybe he's right about Sesq. I SRed Sesq really early on but ended up dropping that a while back. She's not really convincing me she's town but as long as she's on rb when he's lynched and he flips scum she'll be looking a bit better to me.

Lastly, I think rb is a necessary lynch because of the WIFOM his claim presents to town in LyLo/MyLo. If he is never NKed we're stuck wondering if he was really BP the whole time and that's why he never died, or if he was scum lying about being BP in the first place to cover up for why he was never dying at night. In order to guarantee a flip and see if he was lying he has to be lynched. Alternatively, a cop could check him, but there is no guarantee we even have a cop. Even if we do have one, I feel like it would be a wasted action to check rb when you could check Transcend, me or D7 after a town!rb flip or TTTT/ironstove after a scum!rb flip.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also TTTT what do you think seeing these posts all in a row? Note that rb claims between 935 and 970.

tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

Please don't.

tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

scum on the wagon hottakes rn pls

LUV
maybe trans or sesq

[INSERT rb CLAIM HERE]

UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gerry is a vig shot (if rb flips town) if anything right now. The only problem with his slot (as far as I've noticed while I've been focusing on the LUV/rb/shannon dynamic) is that both he and Kohai lay way too low. If rb flips scum I think LUV is a clear shot that way we can move on to the third scum. I think LUV is probably scum regardless of rb's alignment at this point. It's either whiteknighting and buddying or scum blatantly obstructing the lynch of scum.

If we have a cop, Transcend or Sesq are probably the best checks in a town!rb scenario. Gerry could be a check too but if he's town he would be hard to defend tomorrow without claiming and that feels like a waste of cop's power. Let Gerry defend himself if he's really been town this whole time, don't sac yourself for him. LUV is pretty much scum in a scum!rb scenario but if the cop doesn't believe that they could check him. I've been pointing at that team since we got out of RVS I feel like, I know the first post in my notes that tips me off is around posts 74-87 from the two of them. People are finally starting to agree now I feel. Once rb is dead we can see what Gerry does as far as scumhunting because he basically replaced into a gamestate where it was him or rb so ofc he would voting rb today. If he stays as low key tomorrow as he/his slot has so far he's probably a good lynch, but tbf Sesq has laid just as low. It just hasn't been as obvious because he's not in TTTT's scumpool from way back when, and he's been voting the players in that pool as well, so he looks more town to me and probably the rest of the townblock because of that.

If rb flips scum, TTTT and ironstove are probably the best checks. Maybe Drone, I'm not so sure of him. I've mostly taken my eye off him for now because Transcend says he's town and there are much more clear cases available right now. Maybe he's the third in rb/LUV or rb/TTTT but I don't see that yet so this is all speculation on him.

Also I keep getting D1ed and N1ed so Transcend put me in the dog house tonight I really like this game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Right now, my most solid towns are LUV and rabbit. Ironstove, rb, dreal, and Impo look suspicious.

Is LUV still a solid TR for you? If so why is rb scum for you?

Spoiler: Also, do you still need this summarized?

if i did something that made me realistically obvtown to everyone who had previously SRed me where I wasn't until that point, I'm too dumb to figure it out on my own.

It wasn't any one post that made me think "Yeah, she's probably not a lynch today." It was the entirety of the conversation with rabbit that initially got me thinking this way. At first you did look scummy with all the wallposts that looked kinda scum AtE-esque, but the more I saw you post the more genuine it looked. I was fine following fluffy's read based on that since he seems the most town to me now and he seemed the most town to me then. You've done more things to solidify that TR since and I don't think anyone

should

be trying to lynch you today. It's possible that there were scum on your wagon at the time that hopped off because they realized that the town on your wagon were starting to TR you though. So people would get off your wagon whether they were town or not imo. I just skimmed the VCs and only saw Sesq, Kohai, Transcend, and ironstove on you but I could have sworn I was voting you.

Just checked myself, I was definitely voting you for about 12 hrs, mod must've been asleep,

post sinks

It was like page 17/18 and I was convinced by what rabbit was saying about how "scum can't fake interactions that fast" (unless you rehearsed that with rabbit in daytalk PT and I don't see rabbit as scum right now at all), that's like right where I was at.

Can someone summarize the Kohai thing? I'm confused as fuck ^^;

Can someone summarize the Kohai thing? I'm confused as fuck ^^;

Kohai overall has a scummy tone, then he keeps promising reads and activity but dodging and declaring V/LA.

GODDAMMIT i meant kyuoko.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Was just comparing your and Gerry/Kohai's iso and I think my 1340 is wrong about you laying low, seems like you've been active/consistent enough throughout. More so than the Kohai/Gerry slot at least.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

-town!TTTT is widely townread by the townblock and would be a dangerous counterwagon for scum
-scum!TTTT has infiltrated the townblock and is securing their place by allowing town to lynch town!rb so TTTT can come back later and say "See, I told you you should have been voting Gerry!" (Gerry is being bussed)
-scum!Titus is trying to push TTTT already. This is highly unlikely, as this would make the scumteam Titus, Gerry, rb, which doesn't include LUV. It includes Gerry because if Gerry were town Titus would just vote with TTTT and try to lynch Gerry instead of rb.

I don't see competent scum trying to counter rb's wagon with a TTTT wagon.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

uh, Titus might be on to something

if rb is scum then scum should have pushed a TTTT lynch when Titus started it

everyone is ignoring this^
I'd like feedback on the elephant's thinking

Others should answer too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

tbh I think the only counterwagon available to scum at this point would be a bus on one of their own. This makes me suspect that rb is a goon and they're going to let him die quietly because they can't offer anyone else up in exchange for him because he's low-value.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Actually I think if anything, the gerry counterwagon has just shown that the players that stayed on rb the whole time are sure of themselves and that the ones who ducked out may have been scum if rb flips scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Seriously though vig LUV if rb flips scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If Gerry and rb are town and you think TTTT is scum then who is scum with him?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If Gerry and rb are town and you think TTTT is scum then who is scum with him?

Iplo luv and shannon

maybe drone

In there

Scum Pool

rb
iron
LUV

Gerry

Italics

are my edits for clarity. The players line up with the TTTT scumpool I guess. I can see LUV and Shannon being together but I don't see anything to connect them with TTTT. All I can think of on Impoetic is how she at first looked scummy but seemed to be cleared by talking with your slot. Drone idk. My feelings on him are confused right now. I kinda dropped what I had going on him because of Transcend.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

For the record I am also not sold on Gerry if rb flips town, and I'm definitely unsold on gerry if rb flips scum. If rb is town my next strongest suspicion would be LUV not Transcend. I would like for a cop to check Transcend if rb is town though as I'd feel much better knowing his alignment than Sesq's, considering his activity in directing votes this game (leading wagons on some, getting votes off of others). scum!rb means town!transcend imo and it seems like it would be too town-skewed for us to have a JK, Vig, and Cop all in one game so cop could safely check LUV or TTTT on scum!rb flip without worrying about checking LUV only to have LUV get vigged in the same night.

Your slot also never voted rb the whole game I think which might be confbiasing him.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm going to wait for Gerry here. I second TTTTs opinion, town should wait for Gerry to put something out there. There a reason I'm not on LUV yet but I'm not going to give Gerry anything to latch onto from me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean unless condition has a guilty on Gerry then speak up whenever if you want, other than that let him put some SRs out. I think rb and Drone are the only people he's outed SRs on so far

[ssbm_Kyouko]

No third party as confirmed by mod in post number 1 of this thread

[ssbm_Kyouko]

As far as LUV goes part of my thoughts on him involve a PR theory and it's too early to discuss that today imo. Its also an assumption about the setup and would point fingers at potential town PRs so I will not discuss this part of my theory until those potential PRs claim naturally. I still stand by the team associations I've been talking about for a while, but I'm not sure if I ever quoted them and I'm also not sure if it was more of a mutual thing or if it was rb trying to make LUV look like LUV was a scum buddy. If it was the latter it would be a ploy to take a town with him but LUVs actions towards the end of the rb wagon look like a panicked scum. I think he ditched the wagon because he thought that one of the counter wagons was going to gain traction, but it never did. I'm surprised he didn't hammer rb to try to gain some points back though. I'm going to be focused on another game first tonight but I may bring up a case on LUV and where he's associated with rb if it's not already in my ISO after that game.

Gerry's activity is disappointing but in my limited experience this is his town game. I don't tr him though because I don't know his scum game and they may be similar, and his low activity is not pro-town. I also don't place much stock in secondhand meta in general and that's most of my Gerry experience.

I dislike his scumreads because one of them was pushing a counter wagon to scum on the other yesterday, and the other is one of my own top TRs. His fos on that player (TTTT) also looks somewhat retaliatory.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My reads are all messed up right now but I'm pretty confident in Kyouko, Sesq, and Shannon for town.

Explain, please.

I like a lot of the effort that Kyouko is putting in to solving the game. It could be faked but I don't get that from him. He seems to be considering every and any angle, investigating and reevaluating as much as he can, and following up with actual cases that force everyone to engage with him and the game itself.

You still read quite new to me and I don't see any scum intent in your posts.

I've been informed that Shannon didn't go anywhere last night and while that doesn't confirm anything, it makes me a feel whole lot better about my meta read on her.

@LUV: What did you mean by "my reads are all messed up right now"? Also, are you: claiming tracker; claiming that there exists an amnesiac (I think that's the modifier that sends your results to another player at random) tracker; choosing not to reveal that much yet?

@Shannon: Feel free to not comment on this for now if you so choose. If you went somewhere last night and are comfortable revealing that then let us know so we can lynch a liar, but if it's not worth revealing yet hold off.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

BP is not roleblockable in Matrix6 (the Newbie setup) and the reasoning is that it's a "reflexive" ability so I don't know if that applies here since Transcend has to "activate" his BPness. I'd say it's safe to assume in a Normal game that BP can't be roleblocked. when JK jails RB and RB blocks JK in Matrix6, the jailing gets blocked and thus if the RB performs the kill that night it will succeed (unless he targets the 1-shot BP townie). Since we don't know if Transcend used his BP to protect himself or his JK to protect me (I'd like to think he would have, it would warm my heart), we have no way of actually

knowing

why he died yet. Strongman seems the most likely but we can't discount the possibility that mafia also have a JOAT to balance out the town JOAT. If so it would be standard for them to have a Ninja 1-shot as well, assuming they used their Strongman last night on Transcend. Also assuming that LUV is not lying about receiving Tracker information it would make sense for Mafia to have some sort of Ninja on their team. This could be in the form of two separate Mafia members (a strongman and a ninja and a goon) or a single JOAT and 2 goons. The Mod announced that daytalk would be on, which means an encryptor is most likely out of the question.

Potential setup:
1x Town JOAT
1x Town Tracker
8x VT

1x Mafia JOAT (Strongman, Ninja, Roleblocker?)
1x Mafia Rolecop
1x Mafia Goon

This would give both sides a JOAT and an investigative role, which seems pretty balanced to me. This is assuming LUV's shannon result is legit.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've only completed one game on this site and it's the only site I play on actually, the rest are ongoing. I don't know shit about balancing setups.

@Titus, TTTT, and the rest of the final 6 voting rb with me - What do you guys think about ironstove and drone voting for gerry yesterday with TTTT? We know rb is scum so since the Gerry wagon was the next-largest there was probably a scum trying to counterwagon him there. That puts one scum (2 would be very bold in case the rb lynch went through) in TTTT, ironstove, Drone.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm not sure if I buy Titus being scum. Could you remind me what it was that he did? I liked his slot.

@mod, The Usual Suspects, or Memento

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm the one who was pointing to rb-LUV and shannon-LUV but iirc I didn't see much in the way of shannon-rb. I'd have to check my notes on PC after work though. Transcend's town block basically adopted TTTTs scum pool plus Shannon so you were in at least a few lynch pools but you weren't the focus, at least not my focus.

Uzi, why did you target shannon? You saw what rb flipped before you had to choose if you were going to use your action. Since you're one shot, I'd also question your choice to use the shot last night. Why not save your action for later use or at least target someone like Gerry or Impoetic who were both low activity yesterday, or someone like TTTT, Drone, or ironstove who was on the counter wagon to scum?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I want more people to weigh in on yesterday's Gerry wagon and hear about LUVs decisionmaking before voting LUV officially, but that's where my vote is going once that happens, unless something significant comes up

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention

IF THERE IS A REAL TRACKER OR COP DON'T CC LUV, I WANT YOU TO SURVIVE TONIGHT AND YOUR CC IS NOT NECESSARY TO LYNCH HIM

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LUV, If rb and impo were 1/2 who would be scum #3? And shannon I'd have to check my notes for shannon-rb like I said but rb-LUV was the main thing I saw yesterday so it's what I remember without my notes handy.

Also I was gonna ask about why LUV said that about rb's flip but it seemed like it was obvious what he meant and there are less distracting things to be talking about rn

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm getting off work in 5 hours. I'll make my cases then. For now, FOS on:

1. Impoetic
2. Dreal
3. RB

I'm fairly confident at least one of these is scum. I will further make my case when I get off.

Impoetic Is literally saying that she wouldn't do X as scum because it is obv anti town, yet she does X anyway; therefore she isn't scum. Yeah, I'm fairly convinced Impoetic is scum.

so in the space of one post, you went from saying there was 1 scum in 3 people to

completely ignoring me

whilst addressing the rest of the table and saying you're convinced I'm scum

all without seriously responding to anything I've said and only saying that my attempt at actual productive discussion over it is "bad wifom and contrived"

and you certainly aren't attempting to see what i'm saying for what it is. I'm not saying i'm town, i'm saying you voted me for being antitown -- something town does sometimes -- and I want to know why you think that makes me scum.

It's not like I malignantly quickhammered. I joke-voted. I'm telling you there isn't scum motivation in joke-voting, and it's only bad for town because the culprit is town in the first place; if I were mafia, I'd be giving town the rope with which to hang me for... what? A tiny chance to get one townie lynched early in d1... which would require two townies messing up and doing the same thing you're saying i'm scum for?

This post should be evidence that Gerry can't be scum with Impoetic or d7 based on the Kohai FoSes imo. rb turned out to be right and I don't see any scum, no matter how bold, putting both of their scum partners under FoS so early with just one town amongst their 3 suspects

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@LUV - What I'm saying is since rb is flipped and Impoetic is your suspect it's highly unlikely Gerry is the 3rd in that scenario. Are you still on Impoetic for that perceived "scum slip" by d7 early day 1?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So Sesq you pinged me early day 1 but the way rb treated you while on his wagon makes me think you aren't scum with him. Are you just voting ironstove because he was online and didn't post, or is there more to it? LUV doesn't "feel" like the right lynch right now but I'm having trouble finding who makes more sense so I want to hear as many opinions as I can get even if you think it's far-fetched.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Crazy theory I'm nurturing: Impoetic/Titus scum team. The main reason I am TRing both of them is a combination of the conversation they had with each other and relying on Transcend's gut reads. Problem is, day talk is on and that whole conversation could have been rehearsed in the scum PT. Rabbit judged Impoetic as town for how fast she responded, saying that if she was scum it would be really hard to fake those responses so fast. Also note that neither of them would vote for rb yesterday iirc (can't check on mobile atm)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Quick iso of drone shows he had a real stance on rb though, he thought rb was town and was trying to convince Transcend to unvote him.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Did you not read the thread when you subbed in? He gave his stance on the wagon only a few pages before you subbed. He didn't abandon the thread during the wagon but at that point he wanted to let a vig shoot rb to prove if his claim was real or not, and in the meantime was thinking it was d7 who was scum for getting so aggressive onto rb after the wagon gained traction

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Another possibility is that town TTTT happened to start the competing wagon on a second scum in gerry so the last scum had to try to start their own wagon. That would make Impoetic town though unless Kohai FoSed 2 scumbuddies in that really old post I quoted recently

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not necessarily, still leaves shannon and LUV I think, unless drone and Gerry realize rb is a lost cause and drone softly buses but I think that is unlikely

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Actually with the way Gerry is talking today it clears LUV and town LUV supposedly saw shannon go nowhere last night. I feel like if it were Gerry rb and shannon then shannon would do the kill since Gerry was the 2nd most suspicious. If Gerry were to flip scum Titus would probably be the 3rd. Opposite probably holds true as well

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^thats hypothetical in the scenario that Titus flips scum btw

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^thats hypothetical in the scenario that Titus flips scum btw

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah so Impoetic's original reactions to her wagon looked bad and I was SRing her back then cuz that's what it looked like. but then iamafluffyrabbit (Titus Slot) had a chat with Impoetic and pressured her and she answered really fast and then he declared she was probably town because she'd have to be really good scum to fake interactions that fast. The fact that iamafluffyrabbit stepped in to question Impoetic and form his own read on her looked really town by both of them, but it could have all been rehearsed and I remember making a mental note about it that if one of them ever started acting scummy it would nullify that initial read of the other and make me more suspicious of them as potential partners

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'd like to lynch within {Titus, Gerry, Sesq, Ironstove} today. Titus for the aforementioned stuff. Gerry because he was yesterday's second wagon which mysteriously never got anywhere. Ironstove for voting on Gerry's wagon, and then jumping over to vote *with* Gerry on RB's wagon. Sesq because of placement on the RB wagon and because of the interactions with Titus - I feel like that could be a bit of scum theatre.

I don't think it's mysterious that the Gerry wagon didn't get anywhere considering the leading wagon on rb was a town driven wagon (Transcend, me, d7) on scum (rb). Transcend and d7 were being really vocal about lynching rb so it's not too surprising that Gerry wagon didn't go anywhere fast. rb's last ditch push on sesq make me feel a bit better about her today. I'm not closed off to the idea of lynching her but she's not a preference for me right now. Looking at Titus closer for now, but I'm not a fan of ironstove and drone for voting Gerry yesterday. Getting a better read or flip on Titus slot will help sort Gerry and his wagon imo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LUV is my 2ndary choice to titus and will go there still but I'm much more confident in the titus flip being red and it sorting the buddies from there

Same at this point. Evaluating the last few pages atm.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not a case. Ignore him.

this looks really scummy/dismissive tbh

almost ready to vote you

It isn't. His case is basically I don't believe it's possible for a mini Normal to have two investigative roles

and I only claimed because I didn't want to her lynched.

The first point is false since you can ask any mod or look at past games to verify that such a setup is possible and the

second is just dumb. Of course I don't want to get lynched.

Who does?

Just read this again...

Your answer is a bit of a non-sequitur. The accusation you quote is that you only claimed because you didn't want *her* (me) lynched. You counter that by calling it dumb, because 'of course I (you) don't want to get lynched'.

I think you've revealed your true purpose in the claim here, and it wasn't to give info on me, it was to save your own ass.

Anyone else see this or am I reading it wrong?

I think you're reading it wrong. I'm not sure what accusation LUV quotes. What post are you talking about, because I didn't see it in his recent ISO?

Hey, anyone going to look at Drone or is this one of those games where we play ignore Titus, call her scummy, and just carry on?

I'm trusting Transcend was right about him for now, since I have better suspects for scum right now. He needs looked at tomorrow if we mislynch today though.

Hey, anyone going to look at Drone or is this one of those games where we play ignore Titus, call her scummy, and just carry on?

it's like viva but multiple people and less stupid

anyway, looking back on LUV's response I'm pretty confident in that vote VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Which response are you talking about?

Crazy theory I'm nurturing: Impoetic/Titus scum team. The main reason I am TRing both of them is a combination of the conversation they had with each other and relying on Transcend's gut reads. Problem is, day talk is on and that whole conversation could have been rehearsed in the scum PT. Rabbit judged Impoetic as town for how fast she responded, saying that if she was scum it would be really hard to fake those responses so fast. Also note that neither of them would vote for rb yesterday iirc (can't check on mobile atm)

Now this ... this is interesting.

It's also interesting that Titus is being deliberately obtuse, by pretending not to know that D7 was talking to her in 1534.

We can always come back to LUV if we need to, but I think we should push this for info. It's so out there it just might be true.

VOTE: Titus

Shannon started on titus based on a side conspiracy theory from kyoukyo which kyoukyo himself didn't believe in??

I wouldn't have outed that theory if I didn't think it was a likely possibility. I've had that thought in the back of my head since I decided to eliminate both of them from my d1 lynch pool. Titus's behavior at the end of the rb wagon and her behavior today have made me question my d1 decision on her more and more to the point that I decided to throw that idea out there and see what my top TRs thought of it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh I forgot to quote it but earlier in your 1634 claim of universal backup you said drone/Uzi/one more would be the scum. There are only 3 scum in this game, confirmed by the mod. Do you think it's drone/Uzi/rb then since rb is flipped?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like you realize we lynched scum yesterday right? How is drone "coasting off wanting to save rb" if that doesn't give him town cred to coast off of?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And if you're getting chainsawed is it not drone and Uzi after all because it looks to me like LUV is more focused on Gerry right now. Unless you're saying Drone is chainsawing you to get you off of LUV, but you refuse to vote LUV despite seemingly thinking he is scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

For clarity: which of you is the one who started the neighborhood and got to invite a player to your neighborhood? Also, is that player able to invite another player tomorrow for the purpose of confirming you're both telling the truth about neighbor claim? Sounds like drone is implying that rabbit was the neighborizer and chose him to join the hood, or was it the other way around?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also did the neighborizer have to choose their neighbor pregame or were they able to choose a neighbor at any point during the day?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So your claim is that you 2 are in a neighborhood but neither of you is a neighborizer? Which means you've been neighbors the whole game, right?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

2 questions for the neighbors: when you 2 were voting me, whose idea was it? When you two were defending rb, whose idea was it? What changed to cause you 2 to take opposite stances on the Gerry wagon? There is at least 1 scum in this hood imo, both of you answering will help find which is the one

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Jk actually was 3 questions

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also why did Titus not know your stance on the rb wagon? PTs should be short, so why would she not have read that?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've been over this already... today's posts by shannon and LUV are not those of a scumteam. This leaves the possbility that their could be 1 or 0 scum among them. If shannon were scum I'd say gerry is a likely partner but shannon being scum makes LUV town, which makes their claim true. If shannon gerry and rb is the team, and rb gets lynched, do you really see gerry performing the NK when he's the #2 suspect behind rb at end of day? Rhetorical question, the answer is no, shannon would do that kill, but LUV saw her go nowhere. I seriously doubt shannon somehow was a strongman and a ninja in the same night, so I'd say the chances of shannon being the 1 scum here are slim. Assuming LUV is the scum seems like an easy way for scum to push a mislynch off of my suspicions in D1. Nobody seems to be listening to what LUV is saying lately, which makes me think his wagon now is scum-driven. Look at Gerry posting about once a day to do nothing other than remind us to lynch LUV. Titus, if you're truly JOAT now you have a JK shot left, and you were suspicious of the way Gerry was talking about the strongman earlier right? Let's lynch Gerry today and you can jail Drone tonight.

I think Gerry is the 2nd scum and the last is in Titus/Drone

VOTE: Gerryoat

Spoiler: Fast and loose case on Gerry from a skim of his slot's ISO

Welcome back drone. Excellent analysis.

I'm off to bed. It's almost 3 am.

The above post was made wrt this post:

@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

Consistency is town trait
It's not a Newbie game, I think it's obvious and needless to say. But I can agree that it was a bit too early to give that read.

@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...

Because of the 101st point on Impoetic, durr!

What strikes rb as scum to you?

Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.
Like this never happened

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

Upon wagon collapse, he gives me a TR.

TTTT goes like “look, I'm town alright? I have reasoning and I'm sure of what I'm doing" in this post. I'm buying it!

scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.

Then he just shits on it with "fuck it, no I'm scum".

And that's why TTTT is scum guys!

It bothered me back then, and when I asked Kohai if that was sarcasm he didn't reply to me.

Fuck you spammers I don't want to read this garbage Lynch drone he's spamming this thread up why the fuck is there 18 pages?!?!

This guy is writing fucking nonsense and transcend is handing out town reads like hot cakes. He prob town reads Hitler too

VOTE: drone

I do not like this post at all.

Ironstove is now a strong scumread.

Flaming is rude as heck but not a scum trait imo. Leaves me thinking the flaming is an excuse to chainsaw ironstove to get pressure off Drone.

My top town reads right now are rabbit and drone.

Conveniently the 2 players I think this slot is most likely to be scum with.

Enter Gerry

This is my first scumread

VOTE: Drone

Distancing? Maybe? Not like anyone can call him out on this since he's just replaced in, so it's fine for his slot's reads to change.

Yo, I think transcend is town. And if his claim is legit then i think rb is maf from a setup standpoint. but hmmmm. question is, would rb REALLY claim BP as maf? that's like the most scummy PR claim. Is it too scummy to be scum? Or is it wifom that we would all think it's too scummy to be scum and unvote it. anyway, i think i'm gonna vote this for now

VOTE: rb

If anyone on the rb wagon was scum it's this^

No one wants to lynch D7/Impoetic so I'm forced to compromise.

why did you not track one of your 2 scumreads?You scumread them so much that you felt that you'd have to 'compromise' to vote someone else. @Lil Uzi Vert

This question doesn't take into consideration that LUV was expecting rb to flip town. Those scumreads of his were based on a very old conversation early in D1. d7's vocal pushing of rb probably was reinforcing that read up until the flip, where LUVs perspective was shattered. I'm guessing he looked at my posts pointing toward the associations between LUV, rb, and shannon, and tracked shannon because rb flipped scum and he knows he's town if he's really the tracker.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

also @Impo I think shannon's just going down the rabbit hole with me seeing what the game looks like if that was rehearsed. After outing and discussing that theory a bit I find it more likely that it was either fully legit or scum!iamafluffyrabbit was going 1 of 2 places with that conversation based on town!Impoetic's replies, and he decided to go with TRing you instead of pushing for your lynch because he thought other town would sense you were town before a mislynch could be secured.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

-Drone if you're town get back on Gerry to make Titus's no-kill WIFOM look less convincing in the morning.
-Titus if you're town JOAT this should be an easy wrap-up.
-d7 reread D2 from the POV that LUV is town and their claim is legit please, read my ISO for reasons based on possible teams
-TTTT I'm ready for that competing Gerry wagon, I think the lack of votes to push that wagon as a counter to rb indicates he was also scum with the final scum being off of the rb wagon at lynch time.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Imp
You are caught scum
there's no way out
no way out
optimal play is to self-vote and prodge 'til hammer


Just trying to be a friend here

Not reading the rest cu I'm on my break at work but lmao @ optimal play

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Opportunistic pagetop, JaeReed is scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

idk who Accountant is. Also nice santa hat how recent is that? What makes you think she's not scum anymore? I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

Rask input would be dope though, I feel like it's a rarity to see her alive Day 2, so it's nice to have her replaced in if she's town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm reading it a little but I'm pretty danked out rn so I'm just passing the time. You're saying Titus reminds you of Accountant so you think Titus is town, right? Trying to spot similarities

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

How about you instead, you ask yourself why I was asking her to stop the wagon on TTTT (who was voting me at the time), and instead vote rb (the mafia) maybe then you'll realize your vote on me is bad

I'm entertaining the possibility that you and either Titus or Drone are scum, so asking myself that question doesn't give me an answer that leads me to think my vote on you is bad

[ssbm_Kyouko]

During the night Transcend was killed.

He was…

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini 1857, Transcend!
You are a

Town Jack of All Trades

.
Your abilities are:
1-Shot Bulletproof – You may activate this at night to make yourself impervious to one killing action that night.
1-Shot Jailkeeper – You may choose a player to jail at night, causing any actions by them or on them during that night phase to fail.
1-Shot Gunsmith – You may choose a player to investigate for a gun that night. Possible results are “Has a gun”, “Does not have a gun”, and “No result”.
You may activate only one ability per night.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Day 2 begins now!

OK, more questions about this role thing - -

If another PR dies, does Titus get their powers?

Transcend's death and use of the Bulletproof (if Titus is telling the truth and he actually used it) suggests a strongman (or ninja?). What are the chances that this was one shot?

Is Titus effectively a PR, if there's an active strongman? Like if she jailkept someone, would it stick?

With the gunsmith thing, given that it returns both mafia and cops as having guns, should we expect that we have a town cop?

Cops don't have guns, do they? They can't shoot anyone at least.

so no responses means we are doing this, right?
and lynching outside Titus/LUV/Drone means we all agree to kill shannon.

LUV has claimed 2-shot follower
Titus has claimed JOAT with the JK and GS abilities left
So LUV should agree to follow Titus and report what action she took
Titus will do whatever she wants and report the action and target to her neighbor (Drone)
day3 they all report out in this order:
LUV
Titus
Drone
if there discrepancies we have scum among them

problems with the plan:
scum knows who among them are town and so could possibly benefit (for ex. knowing town!LUV is targeting Titus)
It's possible scum will NK Titus or LUV if either is town (but maybe not given suspicion on both slots?)

why it might work:
scum!LUV has a 50% chance of guessing Titus' action
town!titus' action and target gets relayed to us even if she is NKed (unless drone is scum)

not sure about this
help me think through it

Doesn't work if Titus and LUV are both scum is what jumps out at me immediately when I read this. Also if they're both town and Titus decides to use JK tonight then mafia knows they can kill Titus N3 and we'll never get a result from her Gunsmith shot.

The only thing that's actually kind of odd is why shannon herself didn't push gerryoat d1 as cw.

Not odd if Gerry is the partner. I'd probably be okay with shannon after reading your wall for the first time, but I'll have to examine your points and make sure they're legit considering the slot you filled.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If we manage to lynch scum today though it means that there can't be 2 scum among those 3. Problem is, if there are 2 scum among those 3 we literally can't lynch scum today if we lynch outside of them. This train of thought seems circular and I don't think lynching outside of them today is optimal. We don't have to lynch from within them, it just doesn't make sense to me to eliminate them from our choices.

Sesq, Gerry, what're your takes on Raskol's case against shannon?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

well if that's where we are then I want to lynch LUV

VOTE: LUV

HAMMEREED!

Only scum quickhammers like that you're next buddy

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ofc it wasn't a hammer there was a vc at the top of the page he was obviously looking for a reaction from LUV. Also the 3 people I'm talking about are the 3 involved in TTTT's plan: LUV, Drone, and Titus. Why pull yourself into this group? Looks nervous to me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: shannon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

btw is anyone else in your neighborhood? or just Titus and Drone?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The pool of shannon, drone, gerry makes sense to me right now. Keeping Titus/LUV alive to use their roles tempts mafia to NK one and confirm them as town. I want flips from within these 5 players and if I can lynch outside of Titus/LUV/drone I feel confident the mafia will give us a second flip from within there. If we lynch drone and he's town though, if Titus/LUV are the last 2 scum they'll be able to lie about their actions. Keeping the 3 of them alive forces scum to NK from within Titus/LUV/Drone or risk having themselves outed by our PRs. Not lynching Impoetic or Sesq because they haven't taken major stances on Titus/LUV claims afaik. Raskol hasn't either but ironstove did on D1 so I could potentially go that way today, but town!raskol is a good asset to have.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Don't see how you have sesq at scummy, d7 at null, Rask at town. I guess you and ironstove were the ones voting Gerry with TTTT yesterday so maybe that makes the slot look better to you. What makes Gerry a strong town read for you? You were voting him yesterday

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sesq's unwillingness to let someone sit at L-1 is consistent with her d1 play. She's been pretty fence-sitty in general but her vote has been in the right place (on rb) when it counts (at lynch). Would need a good looking case on her to consider it but I don't think she even gives associative info if she flips, either way. She has weak stances and everyone has weak stances on her

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Except rb who was trying to lynch her

[ssbm_Kyouko]

gerrygoat - Weak play, basically lurking at this point.

Doesn't seem to really be trying too much and latches on to what other people say.

rofl i started the LUV wagon

Kek.
Sure you did.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Rask - The context referred to in 1993:
LUV/shannon were supposed to be a vig shot or a cop target last night when rb flipped scum because they were teamtelling with him and each other early on and even later in the day as rb grew more suspicious.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also @Drone why are you scumreading me

Read his recent iso

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also Sesq: vote shannon, because LUV Titus and Drone have to be left alive to do their nighttime shit where we find out if there is a scum among them. TTTT you should be voting Shannon too, it was your plan in the first place. Let Titus do what she wants and tell Drone what she's doing and to whom, have LUV follow her, and then have them all say what happened in the morning. If one dies there's probably scum in the other 2 and if they all live they can potentially prove they're all town. Because of this, scum will NK one of them. Either way the PoE is massive, we either get 3 confirmed townies or a 50/50 or even 100% shot of hitting scum in the remaining 2 players of those 3. Lynching shannon or even No Lynching is fine at this point because of the situation those 3 are in with their claims.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

jk actually that plan involves so much WIFOM depending on who scum is

UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We already hit a scum so right now its 9 town:2 scum. If we don't kill Titus today and she's not scum, mafia will almost certainly kill her because she has a GS shot left in her. If she gets a guilty and we follow it tomorrow we'd be at worst 7 town:2scum with Titus confirmed scum for faking a gunsmith guilty. If she's scum she'll probably claim a "No Gun" result on someone to avoid having to bus her only remaining teammate.

VOTE: LUV
I think we can do this today after all. Claims have shown he's not who I thought he was when we woke up D2, back to my associative reads

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Idk, if not vig it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like if the vig wants to confirm themselves now so that Titus doesn't get a gun result off you, tell us your shot before night falls

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gunsmith implies vig or maybe Traitor if the traitor doesn't have a gun until the rest of the mafia dies

[ssbm_Kyouko]

P sure the only response Gerry has had all game to scumreads directed at him is to discredit by calling his accuser bad

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Idk I've heard from other people he's actually good at scum so I want to think he's town here bit at the same time I'm back to voting LUV and that's where Gerry has planted himself today so

Idk really he just feels scummy but meta suggests otherwise

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wat did you just say drone? When does sesq go from scummy to bad town for you? That reads like a slip, like you know sesq is town but are saying she's scum before to detract attention from the wagon that was at hand

Shannon Drone is possible here I think. Want to get this out in case I'm NKed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Remind me of your SRs Titus? I'm feeling lazy on my phone atm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ok Titus why not declare intent to hammer, then you can check or jail Drone or shannon tonight. I doubt there are 2 strongman shots so if you jail the last mafia in scum!LUV situation that will be the end of it. Gives you a good chance to take the game into your hands for town if you're town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't think so actually

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But I think d7 would vote him so yeah he's basically L-1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If scum flip, Titus JK your top scumread, if town flip, Titus should tell drone who he is Gunsmithing. If we get 2 night kills vigi should wait until Titus says if she GSed anyone (assuming she survives) before claiming so that scum!Titus can't fake a "has a gun" claim on you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What is FN out of curiosity?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Rask reads please other than shannon

For god's sake can you start reading!?

fucking hell did you even read thread look at 1970
usually I wouldn't be mad but you're pretending like it's a victory when in reality you skipped my longest post

those reads have not changed as of now

Drone is asking you to read the thread, not post reads
@Rask - In the case of a town!LUV flip we have PR options to hit shannon/drone with though.

UNVOTE:
Might be back to LUV in a bit

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Talk a bit more about who would be scum if LUV flips town or scum @Rask/d7, I expect one of us will die tonight if Titus is scum. In that situation (town!LUV/scum!Titus) I think Gerry is the partner given Titus's D1 play around the rb and gerry wagons

[ssbm_Kyouko]

also town UB JOAT neighbor + town tracker is not an option to exist here

Why not? That'd be UB Neighbor, JOAT (GS, BP, JK), 2-shot Follower, Neighbor/Vig Neighbor, and possibly Vig

Okay typing it out I think you're right

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Assuming LUV and Titus are both town, scum will probably NK Titus to prevent Gunsmith from catching them. If LUV is scum I think it's pretty easy to finish the game off since we'll have 2 of the 3 scumteam to look for associations between those 2 and the last one. If the last 2 are LUV/Shannon I'd be shocked by the accuracy of the associative reads I picked up D1. Assuming LUV and Titus are both town and the other scum are somewhere in the null zone (Sesq, Impoetic, Rask(your slot makes it hard to tr you)), scum may choose to let Titus live for WIFOM mislynch with confidence knowing she won't Gunsmith check any of them.

Coming out now to say that I'm not the vigilante.
@Vigilante: If you did not shoot Transcend last night and LUV flips Follower, don't shoot shannon. Best shot in this scenario is probably Drone or Titus, but only if the follower claim is proven legit. I'd say shoot Drone if you're comfortable with that, unless of course I'm addressing Drone right now, then just kill Titus.
If you did shoot Transcend last night and LUV flips Follower it's possible shannon ninja-killed so she could be shot in this case
If LUV flips scum just shoot shannon to prevent the WIFOM of whether he was claiming his buddy was innocent or trying to set up a mislynch in the event of his death, that way we can either wake up the victors or wake up without WIFOM clouding the lynch

Okay I think I've said everything I need to say now probably
VOTE: LUV

Go ahead Drone

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I read what you posted that's why I unvoted for a bit, but as I was writing my post I realized it didn't matter much if we theorized about who would be the 3rd scum if there's a scumflip. Your post only covered the townflip scenario.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68482

Shannon luv and titus all 3 in this game and no one bothers looking it when I link it. These 3 have LITERALLY been the entire focus of d2.

Not saying I've looked at it because I haven't, but how can you tell we haven't looked? I have other games to play

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Catch up m9-1, LUV is the one at L-1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

2080 are hypotheticals because I may be dead in the morning so I want to get my reads out based on what the possible flips are.
Shooting shannon if LUV flips scum is fine. If LUV flips scum he lied about shannon for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. To take suspicion away from his partner in a risky gambit, because if he ends up lynched it will make her look suspicious
2. To attempt to secure a mislynch in the event he is lynched.

Shooting shannon lets us get her killed during the night, which means we don't waste a mislynch on her and give scum another NK. If LUV flips scum we'd probably lynch shannon tomorrow anyways because of the chance that scum!LUV was trying to protect his partner with a fake claim.

If LUV is scum and shannon is town:
-If we vig her tonight: We wake up tomorrow 7 town vs 1 scum
-If we mislynch her tomorrow: We wake up 2 days from now 6 town vs 1 scum

I don't see a world where we don't lynch shannon if LUV flips scum. The associations are too thick there.

If LUV is scum and shannon is too we just win in the morning, but this isn't why we're shooting her

if LUV flips scum

, we should do that because 7 town vs. 1 scum or a town win is a better outcome than 6 town vs 1 scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hm. The fact that I haven't been hammered yet probably means scum is already on my wagon.

If that's really what you think, self-hammering will make it easier for the town on your wagon to find the scum on your wagon. Plus it will probably help protect the town that are voting you from NKs because if one of us flips town along with you there will only be 4 players left alive who were voting you, and the town on that wagon would have a very narrowed down pool of candidates

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also drone has intent to hammer on you rn, do you have anything else to add before then?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well there goes my other townread. Only one nightkill again I'm starting to wonder if we even have a vig. Titus what did you do last night and who did you target?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Did you tell drone who you were targeting?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So did you tell Drone "I got a no result on [this player]" once day broke, or did you tell him "I got no result" once day broke? Also did you tell him whether you'd be GSing or JKing last night?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I got no result on my gs check. I am treating this as a guilty on the target. Result at midday.

Also how can no result be treated as a guilty? Just curious what the logic is even if it's moonlogic

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That seems like an odd conclusion for what's confirmed in this setup

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you have any reason to believe your target is ascetic rather than you got roleblocked?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What about scum JOAT with 1xRB 1xNinja and 1xStrongman to balance town JOAT?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've been through the mini normal archives, using ctrl+F to find all the setups with JOATs and found several games with Joats and X-shot or even full mafia roleblockers. I think it's reasonable to assume that there is a roleblocker and a strongman in this setup, whether they are X-shot or if they are both 1-shots on a single JOAT is another matter.

She may have gotten no result if she was Roleblocked or if her target was a Commuter or a Hider. I'm not lynching based solely on a No Result because it does not allow for us to prove Titus is scum if her target flips town. I would gladly trade 1 town for 1 scum but that is not guaranteed here.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Actually nevermind, if there is a roleblocker that is even 1-shot they could have blocked Transcend and killed him last night, and it would be a good plan if Mafia has a roleblocker to block Transcend and kill him because they know he is a good player with a PR that was part of the townblock. Universal Backup is a convenient claim post-flip that would make us want to let Titus live longer because we would now think she has Transcend's remaining powers. Her push on TTTT D1 was an attempt to start a different cw to rb because the Gerry wagon wasn't taking off. If Titus flips scum it's possible Raskol or Drone were the scum trying to counter rb's wagon, or that Gerry is scum and she had to make a completely new wagon to counter all this. More likely Gerry is town in this case because Titus was throwing shade at Gerry early D2 for assuming that it was a strongman that killed Transcend.

VOTE: Titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

No, I don't have a buddy. I also don't know who your target is yet since you haven't revealed it. Your claim and attempts to convince us the setup doesn't have a Roleblocker and indicates an Aesthetic seem fabricated to me to mislead town into lynching your target, at which point you can just say "I got No Result so it's not my fault they were town after all!"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm not arguing that you were RBed. I'm arguing that scum has a roleblocker that RBed Transcend N1 and that is how he died, because his BP is activated and therefore roleblockable according to the mod. I was explaining to shannon what other roles could have led to you receiving "No Result" if that is truly the result you received.
Is this what you left on the table for the group to discuss?

That seems like an odd conclusion for what's confirmed in this setup

Limited shot investigatives, plus scum strongman (which is the theory we went with yesterday), suggests no RB.

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "something." You're the one backpedaling from "I'm going to treat my No Result as a Guilty" to "If this setup does have a roleblocker, then my result is worthless." You seemed convinced a Roleblocker was impossible so I did an archived game dive and saw that a roleblocker is not uncommon with a JOAT at all.

What do you think I'm 180ing on? After seeing LUVs claim was real, seeing that d7 was NKed after he and I pushed you most of yesterday, and seeing you try to waste half the day phase by not giving us the name of your target immediately is making me think you're scum even more than I did yesterday.

Who did you target last night, and why did you choose them?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You also have a funny way of reading an aggressive tone as defensive

[ssbm_Kyouko]

A. "The chances" are a hard thing to describe, but if you look at the archived normal games and use ctrl+F to search for "Jack" and "JOAT" you will find several games in which town has a joat and mafia has a roleblocker, and very few, if any (I didn't notice any at least but I was looking for JOAT+RB combos) in which Town has a JOAT and mafia has a Strongman. I feel like Strongman is usually used to balance out multiple protectives in a game, but I don't know. I could go back and search Strongman on that page and look for how often I see strongman without multiple protectives. I saw very few 1-shot roleblockers if any, most were full roleblockers and there were a couple of 2-shot roleblockers. If Titus is truly UB that inheritied Transcend's JOAT, scum could RB her to make us think she is scum fakeclaiming and cause us to mislynch her. Another explanation for why she wasn't killed is that Transcend d7 and I were obviously townblocking since D1 along with TTTT, although he was voting less in the same vein as us and he is the one I've been most suspicious of

inside

the block.

B. Strongman seems unlikely for above reasons unless there is a doctor or some other protective out there. If there were and they targeted Transcend night 1 (which they should have since he claimed PR) then Transcend should not have died even if he was roleblocked unless there was a strongman. I think strongman is only likely if there is a doctor or bodyguard, and if there is a strongman there is probably not a roleblocker unless the roleblocker and strongman are a JOAT that has 1 shot of each.

C. Titus has already claimed that Transcend chose to use his BP.

D. Is why I'm voting Titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: Day 1 Colored VCs

VC 1.01

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

Transcend

,

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

rb

(1)

: ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

drealmerz7

, Drone, TTTT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.02

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

Transcend

,

rb

rb

(2)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.03

rb

(3)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

,

Transcend

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.04

rb

(3)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

, Sesq

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT,

Transcend

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.05

rb

(4)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

, Sesq, TTTT

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

TTTT (1)

: Drone

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Transcend

,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.06

rb

(2)

: ironstove, TTTT

TTTT (2)

: Drone,

rb

Impoetic (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Transcend

,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Nooooo my pagetop!

VC 1.07

rb

(2)

: ironstove, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

Impoetic (2)

: Kohai,

Transcend

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

rb

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Missed more pagetops. That's what I get for watching a movie instead of the thread =(

VC 1.08

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(2)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

rb

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.09

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(3)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.10

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(3)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.11

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Kohai (2)

:

Transcend

, ssbm_Kyouko

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: ironstove

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

I guess sleeping was a mistake =P Thanks Sesq for the VC <3 It helped me check my own.

VC 1.12

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Drone (2)

: ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko

Kohai (1)

:

Transcend

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.13

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Drone (2)

: ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.14

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

Drone (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until 29th.

VC 1.15

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I need something new to put here.

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.21

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert,

Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.23

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

: Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.27

rb

(5)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone, Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Drone

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.31

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Drone

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, Drone

TTTT (1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

Spoiler: Day 2 Colored VCs

VC 2.01

Titus (1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (10)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

, gerryoat, ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

I'm sleepy. Like all the time recently. Because it's SO FREAKING HOT IN AUSTRALIA.

VC 2.02

Titus (1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (10)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

, gerryoat, ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Movie suggestions, people! I need some.

VC 2.03

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, TTTT

NOT VOTING (8)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Thanks, you guys are the best. <3

VC 2.04

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (7)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Drone has been prodded. As the prod falls over the weekend, they have 72 hours to post.

VC 2.05

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Titus (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (6)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

ironstove has been prodded. As the prod falls over the weekend, they have 72 hours to post.

VC 2.06

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

Titus (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Zzzzz I posted 2 VCs on the same page again yesterday. Apologies.

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.07

Titus (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.08

Titus (5)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, shannon, Drone

-- L-1!

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.09

Titus (4)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

-- L-2!

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Sesq, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

As ironstove has not picked up his prod I am searching for a replacement.

VC 2.10

Titus (4)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

-- L-2!

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

: gerryoat, TTTT, Sesq

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Oh, a pagetop!

VC 2.11

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, Sesq

Impoetic (2)

: TTTT, Drone

gerryoat (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.12

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: TTTT

gerryoat (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Pagetop? Pagetop!

VC 2.12

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: gerryoat, TTTT

gerryoat (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

No pagetop. =(

VC 2.13

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

gerryoat (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

Raskolnikov (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.14

gerryoat (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, shannon

shannon (2)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, gerryoat, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.15

shannon (4)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.16

shannon (3)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

gerryoat (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.17

shannon (3)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

: TTTT, gerryoat

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Titus

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

@mod

@mod would a follower detect BP activation by JOAT?

Thought I already answered this, whoops. In the case of Transcend's JOAT bulletproof, it was an activated bp rather than passive, and as such would be treated as a self targeting protective role.

VC 2.18

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

: TTTT, gerryoat, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.19

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

: TTTT, gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko

-- L-1!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.20 (FINAL)

Lil Uzi Vert

(6)

: TTTT, gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone

-- LYNCH!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Flip incoming.

Posting these w/o analysis for now so people can see them, also it's late and I'm sleeping soon so I'll analyze later. Impressions as I was coloring though are that Sesq is probably town and Drone has some questionable unvotes at times. Also players that were on both of the final wagons that aren't dead include Kyouko, gerryoat, and TTTT. Sesq and Raskol lynched scum but not town. Titus and Drone lynched town but not scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I just feel like there has to be 1 scum in Titus and Drone at this point when I look at the votes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sesq is probably town if you consider what rb did d1 on the first RVS wagon. No reason to hop on as the third (as scum like to do to hide) if there's already a town wagon brewing on your scumpartner. Better to let it die off.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also between VCs 10 and 11 we ran Impoetic up to L-2. Her wagon was Kohai, Transcend, ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko, shannon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Scum Pool

rb

Raskolnikov

LUV

Gerry

TTTT when did your read on Gerry change, if it did change? Why did it change, again, if it did change?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Want to see what Titus has in the way of VCA as well, she seems fond of doing it. rb was also the 3rd onto the d7 wagon so shannon may be town for that wagon as well, given the way rb gets onto the wagon (buddying).

i feel good about the people on the drealmerz wagon

VOTE: Drealmerz

Kohai->Gerryoat
iamafluffyrabbit->Titus
ironstove->Raskolnikov

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Again that's a weird way to ask because I can't really say but I've looked into that which is why I want to lynch within them. I ended up moving to LUV yesterday because his claim looked conveniently crafted to fit other players' claims. If he would have claimed 2-shot follower from the start I'd have been more inclined to stay off him yesterday.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like I think there's no way they're both town. It's possible they're really neighbors but I can't see them both being town. They're also the only players to simultaneously vote me the whole game if I'm not mistaken which makes me think the neighborhood might be real but that maybe they're not both scum and it's only one of them. A game just finished that I caught scum!Drone in (my first Newbie, lasted like 6 weeks ) so I can finally talk about it but I'd need to read him closer and see what I think of him there compared to now. Raskol was in that game too but she got killed N1 for being obvtown

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I received Titus' target. Will abide to her request.

Titus didn't share her target yet.

make up your mind

This. The longer we wait the less time we have to assess it. I don't see what the town motivation is in keeping the result from us.

Drone, if she's told you in the hood, just reveal what she said if you're really town. Worst case scenario she claims that isn't who she really targeted and we know one of you is lying. Town don't have a reason to lie like that, so if one of you is town and the other is scum, the worst that could happen is we confirm that by seeing one of you lie. Then we can trade town for scum or just lynch scum and not have to worry about the other one of you.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me. Scum tried to kill my block nights 1 and 2 but the block is actually the townblob so it can't be destroyed if I find new townspeople. We have to lynch within Titus/Drone today imo, there's too much posturing going on. They make like enemies most of the day yesterday but end up coming together to lynch LUV. They are either both scum or there is 1 scum among them.