In Memory

[RachMarie]

hmmm

the Sun?

I prefer the stars myself and the cool breeze of the evening time.

Plus what is with yet another avatar change I was just getting used to the newish one and now you change again

VOTE: Creature

[RachMarie]

For the newbie

basically this is a setup that is going to be rather confusing, it is a upick and it is an RC game. Which adds more complexity than your standard games. Not positive, but most of the time upick games are also what are called role madness which means far more PR heavy than the usual games,

An example Deo (Titus) claimed hated, which means it takes one less vote to lynch that slot than normal.

With 15 players it would normally take 8, but for a hated slot it would only take 7. Which is why she claimed like she did early on. Miller is another role that often gets claimed early because of its negative utility. In general though, most of the time it is not to town's interest to claim roles, even VT early on.

I would definitely recommend if you have not yet signed up for a newbie game, to do so. They have a fairly simple setup that varies slightly but also have players who help with teaching you about game mechanics, especially the Inexperienced Challenged player often called IC but not to be confused with Innocent Child also called IC which is a PR that some games have.

Hope that helps.

[RachMarie]

ooops thought you claimed that

still hated is someone who takes one less than usual votes to be lynched as I explained.

[RachMarie]

Actually there is usually at least one VT even in role madness, but not always. Recently in a presidential game with 9 players, I was the only VT in the game. I was Hillary Clinton and our team lost the game because the two scum were just THAT good plus they confused one townie into thinking I was scum, then they voted for Jiffy who was at work and unable to log in and the two scum plus the other townie speed lynched him.

And I was wait a minute you just lynched Jiffy while he could not play?

Scum team was Kuribo and a hydra of Scout and Foxbird. Both scum pulled of majorly great fake claims that were believable.

In the 42 player role madness there were some players who were basically VT just called citizens and neighbors but had no real PR attached to them.

[RachMarie]

Unless you are Hillary Clinton in a Kuroi modded Presidential game that is

I should have gone for one of the more flamboyant Republican types like Jiffy and a couple of the others did

[RachMarie]

@ creeps get an avatar the size requirement is in the user Control panel it has to be fairly small, but it will make it easier to read your posts if you have one.

[RachMarie]

It will make it very difficult on me to read your posts and not miss them, even with zooming in the site at 175% I am 70 % blind, but I can't force you to pick an avatar just to make it easier to see you.

[RachMarie]

Ok I missed something here?

SS wants to policy lynch someone because they claimed hated?

[RachMarie]

oh ok thanks for clarifying that

[RachMarie]

LOL Kuroi oh yeah you are in this game too

Yeah well it is a great example of what I was talking about the at least one VT even in role madness games. I do play on a couple other forums, mainly mindromp, with Jiffy and others, and they do role madness with no VTs and some other really insane setups. They also have much shorter day and night phases than we have here. For them Mafia is a side game not the main purpose of the forum, but you may be glad to note they use our wiki

[RachMarie]

Besides it just seemed to so mirror the real campaign, she said things and no one believed her.

[RachMarie]

Yeah Green Day we got killed off N1 because Mastin was scared of Jiffy figuring them out. And I should have taken the shot when I had a chance instead of waiting for Jiffy to get home from work, that obscurer thingy almost cost us the game and we still could have lynched Titus. Jiffy wanted to take that shot SO BAD himself though. He really did not like how dude claimed with those specific lyrics, and since he knew the band and I was clueless having only heard of the band from him well I was mostly along for the ride on that hydra lol.

I think I need at least one more game with Jiffy to learn more from him. Doing a hydra with Mara now.


Hated plus double voter makes sense to me I have seen that in games before. Mod confirmed too. So yeah Gamma goes in my solidly TOWN pile. It IS possible for a scum double voter and I think I was in ONE game where there was one, but generally double voters are town.


Things are still catching up on work stuffs here plus dealing with landlord being a pr***, but I am trying to catch up on the games. At least I am not in a ton like usual lol.

[RachMarie]

Postie feels like she is WKing SS and that makes my scumdar ping something fierce

VOTE: Postie

[RachMarie]

LOL

WKing can happen to scum or town for that matter Deo

My first game on site I was WKed so hard by Metabot that I became unlynchable. And I was the Doc and should have been NKed on N1. Literally he defended me so hard that no one even tried seriously to lynch me and then in 3 player LYLO, I chose him over the one who was town. So yeah I am VERY suspicious of WKing.

SS has 5 votes on him already, I am not as sure on him as I am on Postie.

Though atm sure is relative since it is still very early in the game.

One thing though, I definite feel good about Gamma being town because like I said generally speaking, double voters are generally town, also feel good about dude who claimed hated, because the two balance out fairly well in games.

[RachMarie]

Meh not everyone has even posted and it looks like we will probably have at least one replacement from the looks of things.

In my experiences, the person being Wked is not always scum, but the person doing it usually IS, that is why I am voting for Postie.

That is definitely not saying that I think SS is town. Still have not pegged him yet.

[RachMarie]

WTF

[RachMarie]

uhh I have done joke RVSs lots of times off someone's username and been town? meh I would not put much faith in that as a scum tell.

Another Kuroi modded game

I did that with a hydra that was an oxymoron, and I was the town priest

Deceptively honest or some such was the hydra name.

[RachMarie]

If you can't parse it either then we are in trouble girl.

I am hoping it is some stupid gambit joke claim because it does not even make any sense. Either as a role or as a claim.

[RachMarie]

Can we have Nero and his crazy fake dayvig? Please

I mean Lycan are you new or is this an alt?

[RachMarie]

If this is a real role why in the name of Elbereth are you claiming

The only time you claim cop of any kind is if you have a cop guilty OR if you are about to be lynched.

[RachMarie]

ahh well in general, it is not a good idea to reveal your role most of the time. Especially one like cop because scumz would be looking for that, and there is not always a doc or bg there to save you.

Obviously there are exceptions like miller for example.

[RachMarie]

So about the same in a starting game as my usual, feel free to check on games or I can post some links iffen you want.

I mean not everyone has posted yet, and I am a big picture kind of gal.

@ mod can you poke some peeps with a cattle prod yet? I think it has been 48 hours since the game started?

[RachMarie]

ROFLMAO

Are you channeling your inner Nero

[RachMarie]

Out of curiosity Creature

Why did you pick the Sun?

And no I am not considering you as an Inno Child, not sure how much flavor has to do with actual alignment here. ATM I am suspicious of almost everyone.

Feeling pretty good about Deo though more so than I was, the fake dayvig was a cute touch. Also as i said hated plus double voter makes some sense for balance. So feel good about creeps and Gamma

[RachMarie]

LOL too funny

Anyways back to pegging peeps

Looks very likely that Zefiend will be replaced because no posting yet and the game has been going on for more than 48 RL hours. Hopefully new person will be more active. So null on that slot for now.

[RachMarie]

uhh no he probably temp locked it for funsies to see how we would react, or much more likely to check something, and then opened it back up again.

[RachMarie]

Will do Kuroi Now get your schooling done, school trumps mafia games.

[RachMarie]

Is everyone role claiming on Day flipping one? Flavor claiming is one thing since pretty sure the mod was careful about making sure flavor did not break the game, but our roles?

We are giving too much info to the scum here and not enough to town peeps.

[RachMarie]

@ Deo I know you are uber tunneling on SS, and I think you have a case, but I also think Postie is scum and I am scum reading her more than SS, which is why my vote is where it is.

You do need to sometimes step back and look at the entire forest, not just the one tree you are staring at

[RachMarie]

yeah the game is non bastard, I don't think that was a serious thingy?

Or it would have gone in the OP and Gamma would have recognized his role PM.

[RachMarie]

@ Kuroi

Also why are you reading Creature as scum, besides your experience when you were modding?

I have been in a few games with him as town and he sometimes is a hyper poster but not always. It usually takes me a day or two though to sort him out with enough confidence to have a solid read on him. Number of posts though is not it. It is the way he posts and how he approaches things.

I am definitely not giving him a total pass just because his flavor character was mod confirmed.

[RachMarie]

Pretty sure flavor is not related to alignment here though.

Gamma I don't trust much of anyone atm and definitely not Kuroi whom i have mostly had modding experience with rather than game experience.

I think I can trust you and Deo though. which is why you two are in my town pile.

[RachMarie]

Umm Deo, just because I think you are uber tunneling on me as well as SS instead of seeing that it is Postie that is SS's buddy, does not mean you are scum. In fact you generally scum read me when you are town.

So yeah not seeing that as a case.

I stated order of scuminess is Postie is more scummy in my book than SS

I never said I was town reading SS

Please read what I said again.

Thanks

[RachMarie]

because you are a strong scum read for me

And the fact you keep defending SS does not feel like you know he is town.

[RachMarie]

Of course I am also trying to peg other people as well, which is kind of hard when some post less often the Pere does and that takes some doing

We have one person who has never even posted yet. So a big fat HOLE in my big picture which is very annoying.

[RachMarie]

than, not the Pere

[RachMarie]

I am supposed to believe you when you self meta?

[RachMarie]

I am always suspicious when a player defends someone as much as you have SS.

[RachMarie]

'@ Postie?

Could you provide actual links to the games not just quote a few non contextual quotes?

[RachMarie]

ye gods you all talked a lot while I was sleeping and stuffs.

@SS how in the he double hockey stick did you miss the alt slip titus did in the first posts of the game?

Do you ever reread through the game or do ISOs?

[RachMarie]

uggh I hate to do this but I am so behind on work stuffs which has been made worse because of dealing with the anniversaries. Dec 2, Dec 7, and Dec 13 are all very tough days for me.

I just screwed up one game and helped scum win on another site I need to get my head on straight to be playing mafia.

V/LA until Dec 14th

[RachMarie]

I was TOWN aligned 3rd party in Gitsou feel free to check it out titus. Oh and your sibling was scum in that game in fact they were the dastardly man I was supposed to hunt down because they took my beloved gf Alexis and tortured her

Of course then Nero went and shot her bah.

OK last post for tonight I really need to get under the covers or turn the heat back on for a few, its 23 F and this apartment is not well insulated. And the heater won't shut off properly at a decent temp, so I have to run it and then shut it off manually.

Already ran it twice today since it never got above 37 F and I am practically in GA this is stupid weather for this far south.

So going to bed and hopefully tomorrow and Sun get some work done which I desperately need to do.

[RachMarie]

KTS

you need to focus on THIS game, you replaced into a slot lots of peeps are seeing as scummy. You can play video games later.

Not buying the claim either seems fishy to me.

VOTE: KTS

[RachMarie]

I am reassessing you based on reading up on those games Postie

and yeah when KTS came in and started like oh well I replaced in but Im gonna go do other stuffs when he replaced in a slot many already think is scummy well of course I voted for him

[RachMarie]

Creature a lynch has been reached we are in twilight until the replacements have been found.

[RachMarie]

I figured as much

[RachMarie]

Someone who is used to people providing links not just quotes, I did not realize I could go to the actual games via the quotes.

[RachMarie]

I am on V/LA peeps why are you accusing me of lurking?

For example today I spent most of the day out and about going to wound care and Walmart then got home ate and ended up falling asleep because I was up half the night working on catching up on writing for clients.

[RachMarie]

What happened to the night phase anyway?

[RachMarie]

Well I am gonna check on things this weekend I am in the middle of working on a large report for a client I am supposed to have to him tomorrow night and I cant sit at the computer any longer tonight, Its in the 20s and my fingers are cold and I do not want to run the heater any longer today, so I am going to bed now.

Over the weekend, I will look at some ISOs and see who else I think is scum. I was actually surprised SS/KTS was not scum after all.

[RachMarie]

OH FFS

I am on V/LA What has happened to this site that people are actually considering lynching someone while they are on V/LA

I am this close to replacing out

Titus you and your tunnel need to just chill I do not always give out reads like candy especially when I have not been super active due to RL

That being said, I think you are town, and I think gamma is town.

Who did Jae replace again?

I am not sure if Pere is scum or town but he definitely needs to post more and as far as I know, other than weekends, he is available to post.

dreal is probably town too, weird, but most likely town.

Zef finally joined us? I gather he had some kind of weird post restriction role that did not allow him to post for a while? I have not had time to reread through the game and find out.

creature is prob town, though he is not an IC the way peeps keep reading him, it was just his flavor that got revealed.

[RachMarie]

Ok fine I am going to hit you all with the facts its probably not gonna change any of your minds, but at least you will understand my reads and why

Plus get ready for some links from games where I was vla and did not post much and was TOWN which Creature of ALL peeps should know since he was in two of them

[RachMarie]

Newbie 1726

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=67405

Newbie 1727

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=67471

Newbie 1738

I replaced in as the JK here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=68228


Newbie 1743

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=68476

Flavorless Mafia

(Creature was in this one)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68456

Biker Mafia

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68486

No Flavor Mafia

Creature was in this one too

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68153

[RachMarie]

I think deo and gamma are town because they are in a hood with me, I even knew about deo being both titus and math. I did not say a thing as I promised until they revealed it in thread.

Deo you know i said that in our hood.

So my feeling is both of them are town because not just what they have said in thread, but the feelings I get in the post in our hood, I may be wrong, but I feel they are both town. It is only a 3 person hood so the chances of not having scum in it are pretty good not like a 6 or 7 person hood like some of the ones in wakes game.


Moving on to some of Jae's other questions, I think Creature is town because of his play it reminds me of the whacky but town play style he had in some of the games I have linked recently where we both were town, I am not stating that anyone specifically is reading him as an IC, I am cautioning because it is easy to do with him being towny plus having mod confirmed data. And besides how can the Sun be bad? It is possible that the sun is bad, though like I said I have him as a town read.

whoops my bad wrong game on Pere, forget I said anything about Pere.

Read on Postie was originally scum but after I read through some of those other games, I see it is a play style for her to WK peeps even as town. Not a good play style, but its her thing I guess. So I moved her from scum to town.

Dreal is probably reading me as scum from a genuine feeling I am scummy because he is seeing me as lurking instead of realizing how we do things around here with V/LA, I think I may have been a bit too snarky on him in this thread and not remembered he is new to the site though not new to mafia. I think his playstyle is a bit off the wall and weird, but I think some of that is the differences in how sites play mafia, I play mafia on another forum that Jiffy introduced me to and it is VERY different there, partly due to the short day and night phases and more PRs there even when it is not role madness, though they use the Wiki to figure out things like balance, roles, and so on. Like a gunsmith there is same as here, traitor is the same, and so on. Just recently did a game there where we had a gunsmith, a cop, a mafia don and 3 goons, plus a traitor poisoner and a town vig, was kind of interesting lol.

So I could be wrong, but I kind of think dreal is probably just off the wall and needs to learn a bit more about how we play here but is prob town. Which is probably why he is going off on the whole Sun thing.

More later but this is getting to be a wall so posting this now

[RachMarie]

Still reviewing Shadowrun Mafia and JaeReed and KlingonCelt and this MathBlade person.

Klingon looks like they are trying too hard and JaeReed pings me as the same but I am only up until some sort of Great and Powerful Trixie bit.

-- Not Titus

I thought that was you.

Did you roll Scum again?

And why are you & Titus in a hydra together? You know that's gonna alter the earth's orbit if you deathtunnel together.

I do not follow.

I am town and so is Titus. We exist because of role PMs?

The earth's orbit is fine.

This post and prior by Not Titus.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7941644

MathBlade prefers gender neutral pronouns, so they/them/their.

Here's Klingon's ISO for Bloodborne. She was scum with Nahdia, Ranger, and Bogre (though I think he barely posted at all).

Thanks JaeReed. Will read that later too.

-- Not Titus

Still reviewing Shadowrun Mafia and JaeReed and KlingonCelt and this MathBlade person.

Klingon looks like they are trying too hard and JaeReed pings me as the same but I am only up until some sort of Great and Powerful Trixie bit.

-- Not Titus

I thought that was you.

Did you roll Scum again?

And why are you & Titus in a hydra together? You know that's gonna alter the earth's orbit if you deathtunnel together.

I saw those quotes and thought you had outed, especially since Kling said what she said

I am sorry Titus I really thought you had outed

[RachMarie]

no not the hood I thought you had outed about Math I really would not have said that part if I had not read those quotes, especially the one from Kling.

How did Kling know then about Math?

[RachMarie]

I am Arwen Evenstar and I am loved.

Which basically means I need one more vote than usual to be lynched.

[RachMarie]

Which was my first choice, and I was surprised I got it, I guess there are fewer LOTR fans here than I thought lol.

[RachMarie]

I am clearly going to be lynched so why should I not claim? Postie even posted I should claim and I was at L1

[RachMarie]

so Kling how DID you know Math was part of Deo anyway I know I did not tell you I havent hardly been on site in days and I have had no contact without outside the main thread.

[RachMarie]

If KTS is really there, I was mainly basing my scum read on SS, plus the claim seemed so bizarre and unbelievable. I really did think you pulled scum.

[RachMarie]

Who is trixie and you have a PT with her?

[RachMarie]

If it makes you feel any better, after being killed by town vig on N1 on the other site, and the game ended today with our don being an ass the whole game and busing the entire scum team like she was a lone ranger then blaming us for losing, and not herself, I lost it and yelled at her and screamed at everyone on the after game thread for like 5 post

It has been a rough time, December always is.


PEDIT oh so you slipped something she knew ok.

[RachMarie]

I have never been scum budz with either titus or math in any game. I have been in more games with Titus than math.

But I have to get some sleep now Im exhausted and not getting any writing done either. its almost 3 AM here in EST.

I need to get an early start tomorrow and really hit the writing but I will post more here as well.


PEDIT
I missed adding her I was pretty frazzled when I posted that, and kind of ticked off that everyone was ignoring that I was vla for good reasons.

I can't go into detail on that because ongoing game. Just knew he was not new to mafia but fairly new to the site.

[RachMarie]

This game ended?

Sorry all for replacing out but I found it too difficult to play while not being able to go on the other threads.

Plus had a lot going on in RL anyway, but mainly it was being here and only being able to post in mafia games.

Guess I will read back and find out who won lol

[RachMarie]

GJ Town

and thanks to my replacement for filling in.