Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

kuror0 · Post Post #525 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:12 am

In post 522, Persivul wrote:
In post 520, kuror0 wrote:I shall complete with my thoughts.
If Pine is town and we don't lynch him, scum won't have the item tonight and we will force them to risk a kill attempt on him.
He's already said that the item is unlikely to benefit him. Doesn't make much sense considering his claim, but that's what he said. So, no, scum won't be forced to target him, even if he is town. The item would sit unused by either side, which might not bother scum at all.

Town still won't be sure about the abilitys of the item.
So you think he's town but lying to us?

-I'm not sure if he is town or not but more importantly as long as he isn't confirmed I will have my doubts.

If Pine is town and we do lynch him, then we know the item ability is confirmed
How so? I don't recall that mod flips the item on death of the owner.

-If he flips town I would be inclined to believe he had no reason to lie about the item ability or other particular descriptions.

but the new recipient of the item is an unknown alignment because Pine wouldn't know if the person he choose to give the item is town or scum.
Item owners will always be of unknown alignment to townies.

That's why it bothers me that the item starts rolling from player to player. By tomorrow with some luck we will have 2 items and I think it is hard for scum to get their hands on both but if it starts moving from player to player it would be easier for scum to hold on them, that's what I think.

My thoughts/clarification on red. I know it is a bit complicated to follow as I'm still not sure what to believe about Pine situation but I know up to this point his lynch doesn't look like the most pro town thing to do considering the whole situation imo.

p-edit: 2 ninja posts will be ignored by this post.

Persivul · Post Post #526 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:24 am

In post 525, kuror0 wrote:his lynch doesn't look like the most pro town thing to do

If he's the scummiest player, than his lynch is pro-town. Way too much emphasis is being put on the item. It's still a game of mafia in the end.

That said, I need to mull over his most recent post.

shaddowez · Post Post #527 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:54 am

In 227, Pine outright says he's either a cleric or a paladin, then makes a deal out of "not claiming" in 241. I'm not sure if fakeclaims are given or not, but if so this could easily be a way to rolefish for the other role. He also makes a point of saying how the item is useful for his class, and once he has it that it's (practically) useless to him, effectively removing the item from town, and almost from the game until he's killed one way or the other. If he's scum, there's little chance of that happening unless he's lynched or there's a vig. If he's not lying about his ability, there's a chance that neither of these would matter anyway.

378 is terrible, as it's saying "I'm going to call you scum, but not strong enough scum to want to lynch you, I'd rather waste a vig shot on you". If there's a scum BP or scum doctor, and they're scum together, that's an easy out also.

411, 412, and 419 all throw shade at Dunn, yet he still never votes for him.

I'm still down for a Dunn vote, but I think I want to see this hang first.

VOTE: Pine

KuroiXHF · Post Post #528 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:56 am

Not so sure. I think scum wouldn't hesitate to vote someone.

shaddowez · Post Post #529 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:59 am

He's voting Persivul in 344 for being a "shady character". It's not that he's not voting, it's that he's not voting what seems to be his stronger scum read.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #530 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:00 am

Yeah. That's kind of awkward. Any response, Pine?

Pine · Post Post #531 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:20 am

He's a Miller claim. Proper protocol is a vig shot. If he's still alive tomorrow, I'm down to lynch him.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #532 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:23 am

Does this sound non-genuine to anyone else?

KuroiXHF · Post Post #533 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:25 am

VOTE: Pine I'll park this here until someone better comes along.

JasonWazza · Post Post #534 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:50 am

In post 523, Pine wrote:Further, here's a link. I found it on my very first Google attempt, using the terms Strahd and amulet, because I couldn't recall the name that Shaziro said.

.......?

Does this stand out to anyone else?

Shaziro · Post Post #535 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:05 pm

That he googled to try and figure out the item?

Persivul · Post Post #536 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:12 pm

No, that he specifically said he looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia, but now claims he couldn't remember the name.

In post 227, Pine wrote:Okay, because being subtle isn't working, let me be blunt.
I looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia.
It can only be attuned by clerics and paladins.

I am one of those two.

Shaziro · Post Post #537 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:13 pm

Oh. Yeah, that is a problem. Pine, care to explain?

Persivul · Post Post #538 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:16 pm

In post 247, Shaziro wrote:Wrong name, right result. He got the name from my early post pointing out that the amulet of st markovia could be a in a graveyard. The actual item of St. Markovia is a thigh bone, I was confused with a different holy symbol, as in my Curse of Strahd game we got both. Basically, Pine is on the right track.

In post 281, Shaziro wrote:By searching around for the wrong name, he found the right item. FoS on Dunn and Creature atm.

Kinda surprised you don't remember that considering the above.

Shaziro · Post Post #539 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:27 pm

I didn't pay attention to the post, tbh. I saw googled and figured he was repeating himself.

Pine · Post Post #540 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 536, Persivul wrote:No, that he specifically said he looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia, but now claims he couldn't remember the name.

In post 227, Pine wrote:Okay, because being subtle isn't working, let me be blunt.
I looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia.
It can only be attuned by clerics and paladins.

I am one of those two.

In post 537, Shaziro wrote:Oh. Yeah, that is a problem. Pine, care to explain?

They're not in conflict. I looked it up on impulse, found it immediately, then back-tracked to Shaziro to get the name of it. This isn't complicated. Your allegation was that you couldn't find it on Google. I did. End of story. You're quibbling over awkward phrasing, not cogdis or whatever.

Pine · Post Post #541 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:30 pm

The reddit article I linked to simply calls it "the amulet." I started to post, wanted to be specific, so I checked Shaziro's ISO to find the spelling of Markovia.

Creature · Post Post #542 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:35 pm

Fantastic

Shaziro · Post Post #543 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:35 pm

In post 542, Creature wrote:Fantastic

?

Creature · Post Post #544 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:37 pm

I don't know why I posted that.

Creature · Post Post #545 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:38 pm

VOTE: SlySly

Pine · Post Post #546 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:40 pm

Persival is where your vote should be.

Creature · Post Post #547 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:41 pm

but I don't agree with.

drealmerz7 · Post Post #548 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:17 pm

I am at the top of page 16 and catching up

full focus

culted · Post Post #549 (ISO) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:31 pm

Feel like kuroi's reaction to getting policy voted was kinda flaccid? Like does he scumread me for it or is he just pissed?
Kinda feel like he's pushing creature for nai/surfacey things while there's already a smidgen of hype there? Scummy.

Pine/Dunn might be a bus after thinking over stuff and persivul + others have brought up some very good points down to apply my pressures after a VC.

drealmerz is an iso I wanna look at as well.