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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:03 am

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In post 697, MathBlade wrote:Suspect all you want. I have scum to lynch. You will be proven wrong very soon I think.
You aren't voting fitz/hiraki so you have no interest in lynching scum.
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:08 am

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In post 349, havingfitz wrote:I started the post below yesterday and then my slow day became not so slow...

//Slow day. I notice I only have 3 posts....sorry about that. I do
tend to be a bit of an underposter that catches up in longer type
posts. Being primarily a phone poster slows me down a bit too. But I
digress...

So catching up from post 177 to 262...

I still am of the opinion TVD and Hiraki are town. TVD hasn't done
anything to change my previous view on him because he hasn't done
anything (literally) since my last catch up post. Whereas Hiraki has
zeroed in on LUV...who I also have . I also still do not like the Io slot because of my
aforementioned reasons and now because they have flaked out of the
game. My vote is teetering between LUV and Io but I'll keep it where
it's at for now until Io's replacement changes my mind or a better
spot for it presents itself.//

So to resume....

My vote on Io wasn't based on the firmest of indictments and I've
liked what I've seen from Deer so far so I removed my vote. I believe
the mason claims. LUV was on the verge of getting lynched and his
claim made sense. Outing both masons wasn't necessarily a good idea
unless absolutely required but at least it will help with POE as long
as they both are alive. I do not think scum would fakeclaim mason and
risk outing two players as they could be subject to potential
investigative PRs who doubt their claim. I can't recall exactly why
but I also had niggling suspicions towards Misa. So their claims has
helped divert my radar elsewhere as I probably would have wound up on
the LUV wagon as well once my suspicions on the Io slot had been
reduced.

So where am I now?

Town (masons) - LUV, Misa
~Town - Hiraki, TVD

Ari
: Softcrumb (~bad). Vote on me (despite essentially
after
condemning me for my Io vote) (bad). Votes a ~mason (~bad). Lobbies
against voting Eric (ffr). =
weak suspicion


Creeps
: Not a lot of posts (bad). Early push for scum hunting
(good). Early Eric vote was valid (based on Eric's bad (ffr). = weak
town lean

TwiszTed
: Very active (good). Defends Ari softclaim against
TVD (ffr). (good).
Eric's mason vote (good). Debates his Eric
vote to TwoFace (ffr). Gets pissed at TwoFace
(ffr). Surrenders to Eric ~newbie-ness and
unvotes (ffr). Banned (bad...on him). Lean town.

TwoFace
: Very active(good). Early stat theory fluff (~bad).
Shades mason (bad). Misreps (bad) Ted and gets into tiff. Naked
Misa/mason vote (bad). Defensive of Eric (ffr). Says vote on Misa is
gut () despite having just for voting her (bad).
vote on Misa doesn't have a lot of merit.
General snarkiness. =
Scum lean.


Gamma Emerald
: Very active (good). Early theory and alt fluff
(bad). Questions TVD's confidence (?). Seems to be shading TVD a bit
(ffr). Emphatically tells Eric . Votes
mason (bad). Emphatically tells Luv to Question for Gamma.....have you ever played in a game
were a mason claimed and did not immediately reveal his partner's
identity thereby proving they were fake-claiming scum? If scum are
going to fakeclaim why involve a partner? They could just fake claim
a PR that they might hate to see in the game in hopes of getting away
with it or outing said disliked PR. (bad). and you literally screamed for
LUV's partner 1 minute after he claimed. =
Scum
lean.


Io/Deer
: Not a lot of posting yet. I disliked Io's stats chat
to start the game but I've liked what Deer has brought to the game so
far. Town lean for me atm.

Frankjaeger
: Not enough to go on yet. = Null

Eric
: Bit of a late entry in the game with an immediate mason
vote for gut minus any evidence (bad). Proceeds to gives reasons
for LUV vote and voices suspicion of Gamma and Ted (ffr). A few posts
related to how things are or aren't done on this site compared to his
experience (meh). is just a bad post for
reasons I have previously explained. As yet unexplained Ted vote
(ffr). Has lots of mafia experience....is aware others find him
suspect but doesn't nothing to correct aside from proclaiming himself
town (bad). =
Scum lean.

This is town.
Demonstrate someone sticking out their neck this hard D1 as scum.
Either they are suicidal, playing stupid, or brilliant if scum.
I just don't see that here.

I disagree on reads. You disagree with mine. What matters is our mindsets during that disagreement. So are you just scumreading me because I don't sheep you?

My wool is rainbow colored. I stand proud for what I believe and if I had a day vig I would wreck Gamma.
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:17 am

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I think Math is town currently. His desire to find an early scumteam looks like Watch Dogs Blitz.
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:20 am

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Fitz from what I remember does that kind of thing as both alignments though.
List reads are easy to do as scum. Easier when you have a claimed pr.
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:34 am

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In post 703, TwoFace wrote:Fitz from what I remember does that kind of thing as both alignments though.
List reads are easy to do as scum. Easier when you have a claimed pr.
As experienced scum that has won a majority of games here list reads require a shit ton more finesse as scum than town. It exposes a lot of the mindset. Even in Gistou when I was widely townread it was a huge risk.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:49 am

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i like mathblade-kun :)))

really nothing to add, more motivation if I make it to D2 to start a gamma wagon
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:52 am

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Ok why are you scumreading me Hiraki?
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:17 am

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VOTE COUNT 1.15


Creeps20 (5): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes, MathBlade, Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (3): Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange, TwoFace
ScumDeersAreVeryTasty (2): Creeps20, Joshz
havingfitz (1): Vedith
TwoFace (1): havingfitz

No Vote (1): FrankJaeger

With 13 players living, 7 votes are required to lynch.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-12-05 16:30:00)

NOTES

Prodded MisaTange
Prodding FrankJaeger
Gamma Emerald V/LA until 16 December (normal activity/prod requirements will apply)
Aristophanes V/LA until 6 December
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:34 am

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In post 645, Joshz wrote:the reason he
(TF)
gets more cred for it is that hiraki's didn't feel as genuine, whereas i liked tf's attitude about it.
Not as genuine? If I recall Hiraki was the first person to go out on a limb proclaiming Eric was a VI (and ergo not voteworthy). Not something I would have done in the presence of suspect posting by Eric. And certainly no reason for scum to. How was Hiraki's attitude about Eric off?

Not sure why TF continues to skate.
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:41 am

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In post 703, TwoFace wrote:Fitz from what I remember does that kind of thing as both alignments though.
List reads are easy to do as scum. Easier when you have a claimed pr.
1) Since you keep referencing your experience with me who are you?
2) doing a list read is no big deal...what's important is what is being said in it.
3) I'd think a list read done after 2 claimed prs would be less beneficial to scum because the scum pool is smaller. 2 less players to hide scumtells.
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:57 am

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Who I am doesn't matter.
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:39 am

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In post 710, TwoFace wrote:Who I am doesn't matter.
So you can continually make references to your experience with me to support your comments (albeit poorly) but I shouldn't have the same luxury? :roll:
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:44 am

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The use of list reads as either alignment I actually discovered about 5/6 pages after you posted it your list reads. I wanted to see if you did the same as both alignments. I found a town game and a scum game.

You want meta against me, I've got a couple of completed games you can use.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:44 am

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In post 711, havingfitz wrote:
In post 710, TwoFace wrote:Who I am doesn't matter.
So you can continually make references to your experience with me to support your comments (albeit poorly) but I shouldn't have the same luxury? :roll:
Far as I am concerned I don't give two shits about prior experience unless you are using it to make a point about strategy or to claim that a certain action is right.

TwoFace may be good he may be bad. However everyone things they are the ship at Mafia and it is a dick measuring contest. If TwoFace said they were a person you liked you would read them one way and a person you hated you would read them another. Alt hunting is disgusting and stupid. I am treating Two Face like someone I haven't played with before just like you.

Play based on what is in the thread not what you expect inside your head.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:46 am

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In post 702, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Math is town currently. His desire to find an early scumteam looks like Watch Dogs Blitz.
E changing eirs avatar is new. What prompted it?
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:48 am

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In post 714, MathBlade wrote:
In post 702, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Math is town currently. His desire to find an early scumteam looks like Watch Dogs Blitz.
E changing eirs avatar is new. What prompted it?
There's a thread where you can request profile edits.
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:56 am

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Oh okay :) Going to make brunch now :)
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:56 am

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In post 713, MathBlade wrote:Far as I am concerned I don't give two shits about prior experience
I typically don't either. I was just curious because TF has made several points based on his experience with me. Even if he was a known alt for someone I knew/recalled it probably wouldn't effect my view of him in this game.
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:15 am

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I should probably claim soon shouldn't I?

Will only claim at lynch one due to hate of being accused of 'Claiming under no pressure' I had to deal with once.
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:30 am

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You should at least state your reads and make an effort to play. Do something.

Then again you are probably scum so you won't do that.
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:32 am

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Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:36 am

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In post 720, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.
Fuck that. Stop fishing. I wish I had a gun right now.
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:37 am

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Or you are pretending to fish him. Either way I want you to be lynched in a big pile of ropey town vengeance.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:38 am

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In post 721, MathBlade wrote:
In post 720, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creeps I'd prefer if you claimed now since we're having trouble assembling votes rn.
Fuck that. Stop fishing. I wish I had a gun right now.
I legit do not care what you think. This town is like a chicken with it's head cut off so claiming now, instead of when/if he reaches L-1, is more optimal so town has more time to switch if he's a PR.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:00 pm

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Bullshit. Absolute fucking bullshit.

A PR claim is never a reason not to lynch. A PR claim must be supported with how they played and rationalized. You are just excusing your unvote of CreepyScumLord early. Look at 1800 town did the same fucking thing.

I will not let you wiggle your way out of this as scum need rope and your fishing skills are so damn obvious you have a bigger sign than a local Bass tournament. So just stawp.
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