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[FrankJaeger]

Im here.

[FrankJaeger]

Its wifom.
Still a bad post, either way.
Flagging it as anti town for now.

[FrankJaeger]

The pr hint

[FrankJaeger]

VOTE: TheseViolentDelights
obvious Aero alt

I thought the same

[FrankJaeger]

I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.

(maybe it's not important)

disclaimer: i honestly know nothing

Yeah, there is no way to prove it.

We just have to take his(her?) word for it.

Any actual debate about it is incidentally also anti-town.

[FrankJaeger]

Im liking Hiraki so far

[FrankJaeger]

Im liking Hiraki so far

What do you like about him?

Tbh I'm not a fan atm.

His last 2 posts especially seem towny to me.
(Not the ???)

[FrankJaeger]

Sorry 57 and 66

[FrankJaeger]

I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.

(maybe it's not important)

disclaimer: i honestly know nothing

Feels like it could be. Might give us an understanding of how he or she plays.

I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.

(maybe it's not important)

disclaimer: i honestly know nothing

Yeah, there is no way to prove it.

We just have to take his(her?) word for it.

Any actual debate about it is incidentally also anti-town.

Why would it be anti-town? You seem to be trying to shutdown a discussion that could potentially help in the long run.

The

potential

chance of them saying "ok you caught me Im an alt" is slim to none.

Even then, it doesnt prove scum.

What else are you expecting out of discussing this?

[FrankJaeger]

I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.

(maybe it's not important)

disclaimer: i honestly know nothing

Feels like it could be. Might give us an understanding of how he or she plays.

I have a feeling he's an alt and is afraid to give himself away because of the reputation of his old account.

(maybe it's not important)

disclaimer: i honestly know nothing

Yeah, there is no way to prove it.

We just have to take his(her?) word for it.

Any actual debate about it is incidentally also anti-town.

Why would it be anti-town? You seem to be trying to shutdown a discussion that could potentially help in the long run.

The

potential

chance of them saying "ok you caught me Im an alt" is slim to none.

Even then, it doesnt prove scum.

What else are you expecting out of discussing this?

Never said that it would prove anything, just that it could potentially help in the long run if he or she choose to reveal his/her main account.

Ok.

I never said you said that.

I'm thinking that my reply made it obvious I read your post. why repeat yourself?

Sorry Im feeling petty

[FrankJaeger]

Checking in.
Posting thoughts tonight.

[FrankJaeger]

@mod

somethings come up. VLA til friday. Will check in if I can.

[FrankJaeger]

Hey guys,
Im back. Going to read everything tonight.

[FrankJaeger]

still reading up, posting thoughts after

[FrankJaeger]

Proded.
Been super busy.
if anyone can tell me what i should focus on after like page 6, it will really help me catch up quicker.

[FrankJaeger]

Why is hiraki scum?
Can any one point me to some posts?
Same for creep.

Im not seeing it in hiraki. But ive just skimmed.
Maybe creep but not comfortable voting him until i can really look at this.

[FrankJaeger]

Ohhhhh dont make me figure it out alone.
Fine Ill be back tonight with my own reads.

[FrankJaeger]

If Hiraki flips town, we lynch Creeps tomorrow.

Hold on there

[FrankJaeger]

Still too busy irl. Ive read quite a bit, but not enough to vote comfortably. Still not seeing hiraki as scum but idk

[FrankJaeger]

Ill have plenty of time when Im off work. Will be voting tonight.

[FrankJaeger]

Page 1-5
Haraki. VTD seem Ok. Yes they both town read me at this point I know.

Gamma odd.

Twiz seems towny too.

[FrankJaeger]

Yea eric looks a little suspicious pg 6.

[FrankJaeger]

Ok idk about eric. Pg 5-10

Aris 239 was kinda bad.

[FrankJaeger]

Pg 13. Woah ok.

Maybe gamma and deer scum?

[FrankJaeger]

10 - 15
Ok maybe gamma isnt scum.
Eric still could be. Creep is looking scummmy.

[FrankJaeger]

Phone about to die more in a couple of hours

[FrankJaeger]

Prodge.

[FrankJaeger]

Probably going to vote creeps. Isoing now

[FrankJaeger]

Catching up more deer is looking town.
VOTE: creep

[FrankJaeger]

Still fine with creeps lynch. My activity level will increase after the 9th

[FrankJaeger]

Reading up through 39 gamma is def suspect. His reads are wishy washy. Fence sitting. Could just be wary town.

[FrankJaeger]

Doing some vca.
Nacho is prob town based on d2 posting.
Joshz vote looks bad here.
VCA should be revealing in anycase.

[FrankJaeger]

Doing some vca.
Nacho is prob town based on d2 posting.
Joshz vote looks bad here.
VCA should be revealing in anycase.

Nacho replaced Misa, one of the masons.

Welp maybe i should write that down

[FrankJaeger]

why dont u explain to me why my vote looks bad

I need to look at how you voted yesterday.

1 thing is that half of your reads are scum.

You also seem to be buddying up to a mason.

Im the easiest vote right now, and your reasoning looks like "a mason did it so Im town too"

This isnt a strong read ATM though.

[FrankJaeger]

D1 FINAL VOTE COUNT

havingfitz (7): Nachomamma8, Gamma Emerald, Joshz, Lil Uzi Vert, Aristophanes, Vedith, MathBlade

Creeps20 (3): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, FrankJaeger
MathBlade (2): Creeps20, TwoFace
Gamma Emerald (1): havingfitz


No Vote (0):

Well idk joshz vote here is prob town...

[FrankJaeger]

If scum bussed i would bet vedith but nothing to back that up currently

[FrankJaeger]

If not still prob creeps scum

[FrankJaeger]

What if I told you Frank and Hiraki arent the only ones allowed to be lynched?

[FrankJaeger]

Frank...regardless of your alignment, why don't you just do this game a favor and replace out ffs.

This post pings me. It's like "hey replace out so I have an active buddy".

He wasnt the only one saying that

[FrankJaeger]

What if I told you Frank and Hiraki arent the only ones allowed to be lynched?

this is your defense????????????????????? don't you dare drag me into this - I at least post

Vote: Frank

Why so dramatic?

Its obvious I was responding to Joshz absolute of "frank or hiraki frank is better"

[FrankJaeger]

Trying to pull me away from VCA is a bad move.

[FrankJaeger]

If im counting right thats L-2

[FrankJaeger]

I'm starting to think gamma could be scum also. He was easy to hop off fitz onto creeps. Fitz put a lot of reasons out for gamma, more so for me but pushed me and only went to gamma much later when it was still obvious gamma wasn't getting lynched.

Fitz/gamma/hiraki. Does this make sense?

I guess hiraki could be scum.
Not sure but his vote on me is the worst yet.

[FrankJaeger]

I get the votes on you though. You've done very little this game.

Sure, but 1 or 2 of those votes look shitty.

[FrankJaeger]

read through some of day 1, sdavt moves into my probably town pile.

hiraki/gamma/frank most likely contains both scum, id still lynch vedith but apparently nobody agrees with that so

hiraki/gamma/frank: what are your reads on me? do you think [the two not including yourself] are likely the two living scum? if not, whats your solve rn?

Josh youre prob town based on your position on fitz wagon.

[FrankJaeger]

If scum bussed i would bet vedith but nothing to back that up currently

I had him as scum all day yesterday.
This post just reads as "Lets push else where to divert attention from me not voting there."

VOTE: Frank
GTFO.

TwoFace is confirm town for me and Math is a smart enough player to see that as well. Scum more than likely attacked TwoFace and Math protected there.

there are to options.
scum bussed or they didnt.
you voting me for discussing that is weak.

L-1

I am back up body guard.

[FrankJaeger]

*TWO wow

[FrankJaeger]

hirak and vedith. one of them are scum. atleast.
both of their votes seem fake.

[FrankJaeger]

hiraki creeps ved scummy.

[FrankJaeger]

two face is prob town.

[FrankJaeger]

gamma and guy with Pie symbol as pic are null

[FrankJaeger]

joshz prob town. deer null.

[FrankJaeger]

ved light buddying with common town read Two Face?

[FrankJaeger]

Math was calling me scum plus we had 2 masons. No chance math protected me

I highly doubt that a Mason would be night 1 kill with the possibility of trackers/watchers etc.
Even more so with scum losing a member day 1.
The next towniest person was you by far.

ved how was he the towniest by far?

[FrankJaeger]

My mistake. Statue guy is null. Not pie guy

[FrankJaeger]

Which makes sense for balance since bodyguard + Masons is too weak but other things are mostly too strong. Don't think Frank has the experience to come up with that and doubt he was putting in work Wiki-diving to come up with it.

Exactly

[FrankJaeger]

Im willing to call gamma more town than null.

[FrankJaeger]

ved how was he the towniest by far?

Because he was pushing for Fritz from the start. He wasn't just trying to go with the flow trying to direct the lynch else where like you.
Anyone not town reading TwoFace needs to give a reason why.

Also, your "scum in Vedith / Haraki" comment is just a scum comment of "Lets lynch both because I know their alignment".

Tell me, why didn't you vote up Fritz?
What was town looking for him to not be worth lynching?

This an odd post.
TF was NOT on the lynch wagon.

Scum can fling shit at each other all game, as Im sure you know.

Why are you asking me why I didnt vote fitz? The answer is obvious.

Why not present the same question to TF?

And you really need to elaborate on your "Hirak/Vedith" comment. Because I have no idea what youre struggling to get across.


PS
TF Im not calling you scum here.

[FrankJaeger]

Im confident vedith is scum.
His 1239 is bad.
Everytime i reread it it gets worse.

"If anyone thinks TF isnt town they need to explain" sounds like scum trying to make town have conflict, without directly causing it.

The whole post looks fake, and the logic is going against it self.

[FrankJaeger]

Harikia is a good vote for now

VOTE: hiraki

[FrankJaeger]

I am back up body guard.

ok so this is where you do stuff right

Frank then continues to post reads:

Are these from your VCA analysis? What kind of air did you get these from?

Hiraki's vote on Frank is the only thing I've liked from him all game. I'm torn.

1) if you /really/ can't see the tunnelvision now, you're blind - not that i honestly care

2) this is LITERALLY the same case as Creeps which, let me remind you myself:

As for Creeps, from my experience, he's like this and is going to most likely be a difficult read. We'll see what he brings to the table Day 2.

If Hiraki flips town, we lynch Creeps tomorrow.

It means save Creeps for Day 2 and hop on the other wagon so we can avoid a no lynch.

Town: Creeps, Gamma, TF

hope you are reminded buddy on how this makes /literally/ no sense

so im v glad that you think something i did that is in line with my current scumreads is townie but i hope you do something that makes sense next time

i honestly won't be surprised when we get into lylo and you're the hammer

Im willing to call gamma more town than null.

(according to X,Y, and Z)

Unvote, Vote: Creeps

VCA is included in my reads bro

[FrankJaeger]

Vedith is scum too

[FrankJaeger]

All over it

[FrankJaeger]

Btw im not going to hint at who im guarding. Scum may go somewhere else and try to set me up for a wifom city.

Hint-probably a mason. Ooo what am I gunna do scum? I feel so powerful

[FrankJaeger]

Im going to guard the towniest mason. Not really just saying that so scum doesnt even bother.
TF seems like a good option to guard.

[FrankJaeger]

Nacho I got u bro

[FrankJaeger]

If hiraki flips town i really gotta think though

[FrankJaeger]

If scum ive already made my decision

[FrankJaeger]

See, this is exactly what worries me about you is because this shit is where the town loses. We either catch scum tonight (frank's lie, Nacho dies) or you're gonna have one last day with Nacho able to lead this town. And in that day, if you really plan to waste it on such an easy mislynch, going forward this town will deconstruct. If you're really convinced this slot is scum, then that should be D4's lynch, not D3.

Yea not going to be baited into that.

[FrankJaeger]

You guys are assuming that
1. Scum is going after nacho
2. I am bg nacho

Dont assume

[FrankJaeger]

You claimed BG.

Right

[FrankJaeger]

scum IS going after nacho. the only reason they wouldnt is if they expected you to bg him. nacho is the logical kill.

Or kill someone else so my role is still in question 2mar.

[FrankJaeger]

If you really need help understanding this:

1) No one in this game is currently able to do what Nacho can to advance the Town
2) Nacho can do what anyone else in this game is currently capable of doing
3) Ergo, Nacho is the most important player in this game, both to scum and town.

The LONGER Nacho survives, the harder this game is to win for scum. That is ALL there is to it.

Yea unless you are scum you cant say what theyre mindset is. I get your point but if predicting scum were that easy, they would never win.

[FrankJaeger]

No, scum will go for nacho EVEN IF they know Frank BG's him. They NEED nacho dead asap and if that takes them to n3, then it takes them to n3. It's far better than delaying it for some other halfassed kill.

Ok maybe im missing something. Why do they NEED him dead over uzi?

Scum could leave both of them alive for the wifom. Putting all the eggs in one basket like that isnt wise.

[FrankJaeger]

Frank: I've already stated this. Your role ONLY COMES INTO QUESTION if Nacho dies before you. In which case, you're dead

Its been in question since I claimed it tbh.