Mini #534 - Vegetable Mafia (Game Over!)

[Oman]

I'm in!
Self vote!
No, Dice Roll!
No, DICE SELF VOTE!

Original Roll String: 1d1

1 1-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Oman]

VOTE OMAN

[Oman]

BANDWAGON TO VICTORY!

[Oman]

Someone who is trying to be silly, voting for self, encouraging others to vote for him, might be trying hard to look innocent.

Yeahm cause all of those are clear signs of innocence

[Oman]

Wanna explain that before I attempt to shift this wagon to you?

[Oman]

Too scummy to be scum is a horrible falacy.

And you doing a "too scummy to be scum WIFOM" is horrible too.

[Oman]

, but I wouldnt think scum would act so wacky

And you're voting me.

[Oman]

How are bandwagons not fun.

Guys, we know where this should go:

Unvote Vote Y

[Oman]

Unvote Vote Northjayhawk

I've disliked every one of your posts so far.

[Oman]

Umm, how is a self bandwagon any less good than one the vote-ee is not on?

[Oman]

Ryan...can you post your role pm?

[Oman]

Yus.


Please?

Nothing personal.

[Oman]

NORTHJAYHAWK NEEDS A BANDWAGON, HE WANT ONE!

[Oman]

Didn't he just post that he'd be gone for a couple of days?

Whoops, i forgot all about that.

Unvote Vote ryan

BANDWAGON ON RYAN UNTIL NORTHJAYHAWK GETS BACK!

[Oman]

YAY CRUB COW. Btw, did you see hasdkahgjrkjhayradfh actually stole your avatar?

[Oman]

started by the guy who asked for role pm so incredibly quickly

Don't tell me you took that seriously?

holy shit too many people on ryan for it to be legit

Bad logic! NO! NAUGHTY LOGIC! Go sit in the corner!

You've got to be joking, right?

Yup.

but a bandwagon on yourself is useless because you know you wont pull the trigger.

You guys are silly. Your analogy is incorrect.

IF we stick with the gun analogy:

Self wagons are like pointing a gun at your head

and then having 6 other guys grab the trigger too

Wagons on others are like pointing a gun at their head

and then having 6 other guys grab the trigger too

No one person on a wagon controls whether or not it hammers (i.e. the guns shoots), as anyone who comes off can be replaced and anyone can hammer. Your analogy fits MAD mafia or Bad Idea more than regular Mafia.

Unvote

I believe that wagon to have served some sort of purpose for me. I shall join the Soupfly and

Vote Destructor

One of the main reasons Soupfly didn't point out is this:

The same question could be asked of why you're voting me

I think you're over-reacting to that

Which is interesting as I don't think it IS an over-reaction to question someone's L-2 vote.

My vote on ryan was for the reason I stated it was, a wagon, it got information (at least I think it did).

[Oman]

Your above post...it just sucks.

I mean, its okay speculation, but it doesn't give a few things: 1. who is/isn't scum on the wagon in your opinion. 2. is ryan town or scum. Both of which are ratehr imporatant in my eyes.

[Oman]

Firstly, Oman's patented

townie brownies

go to thinktank. This guy is an idiot, as prooven by saying I'm playing randomly (which I'm not, show me where i play randomly.) This guy is an idiot, but has given no major scum slips, hence I take that as a minor town-tell.

FoS:

Kravhen for that stupid vote on phate.

My Home ISP doesn't like me so I'm on public computers Limited Access.

[Oman]

How do you people, who seem like respectable players (yes, I'm excluding thinktank) not understand the difference between a random stage play and a you know, serious play.

My wagons are there for a reason, look through them and it'll give you good connection info once we find one scum.

My involvment with the ryan wagon was designed to get an over-eager scum to jump on and take it too far (read as: destructor).

ASKING FOR A ROLE PM WAS A

FUCKING

JOKE! ryan is known for posting his role pms, in a few games I've been with him in. I was using it as a joke, seriously.

thinktank: Learn english, learn mafia, come back and see me.

Crub <3 (Moooo)

[Oman]

posting later tosday

[Oman]

Eh, I'm damn suspicious of phate at this point.

Vote Phate

[Oman]

Crub is right there, but I don't think TDS is scum for it, just wrong.

[Oman]

Firstly,the claim stinks of fakeclaiming scum dying to confirm himself.

Secondly, the next two pages are him digging out of the hole he makes with the claim.

[Oman]

Well, a pro-town claim shouldn't put you in a hole, because its...you know...pro-town.

[Oman]

Ouch, you just got owned by ryan.

[Oman]

How did Phate's claim help scum?

Gave them an easy safeclaim.

[Oman]

Silly me.

[Oman]

If you are town, they can claim lettuce and be safe.

[Oman]

no Destructor, I told you why I was voting Phate. Reading the thread is hard, I know, but make an effort.

[Oman]

In some games a mod will give the scum fakeclaims, that is often the case in Theme games based on a general naming scheme where mass nameclaim can break it (e.g. all town are green veggies and all scum are red beetroot, raddish etc.)

I think this sounded like phate got a fakeclaim and wanted to "confirm" himself early.

[Oman]

Because its been accepted, and yes I am looking at two scenarios: Phate =town gives safeclaim. Phate = scum is there too.

[Oman]

No, my personal thought is that a) one of them is lying (I shan't tell you which one and why, and if you push it I'm calling it rolefishing). b) there are two or three townie names spread out over the townies.

[Oman]

I won't tell you why.

Consider this, if I were scum, and my reason was that I was scum, would I have alluded to that reason? And no, this is not WIFOM as there is no second gain for the opposite action. So is it really in your best interest to push me on this?

BTW: I must make this joke:

Y is scum.
Why?
Yeah, Y.
No, why?
You know Y?
Y?
THATS Y!

[Oman]

Back.

Still hate you all though.

[Oman]

I hate you thinktank. Please die.

[Oman]

I wasn't talking about the game.

But your point is made

Vote thinktank

[Oman]

Thats a fair call.

[Oman]

owned thinktank.

[Oman]

you're one of them.

[Oman]

you're one of them.

[Oman]

Ryan caught me, which wouldn't be hard, cause our role pms say we're both scum together.

Simple really.

[Oman]

I agree with my scumbuddy on his first point

non

.

However, I must distance, so I disagree on his second point

participation

[Oman]

Happy Birthday TDP!

[Oman]

destructor, I'm obviously not scum, and even if I was, me saying it like that is hardly an teason to lynch me. See how squirmy ryan gets when I say he's my buddy though.

[Oman]

I'm now more interesting in WHY you left out Y in the people who agree with me.

Did you think about that?

[Oman]

thinktank, even that is illogical, if i were scum why would you trust who I said my buddies were.

[Oman]

Mod, I'd like phate replaced if he doesn't stop this now. Like now!

[Oman]

Mod:

Sorry Pat, missed this: "And guys, seriously. At this hour I can't be bothered to read and check who started the flaming, but you can all see the rule made by Aimee against personal attacks. They stop now, or I'll replace or modkill the offender."

[Oman]

I hate ryan.

[Oman]

Oh noes!

Two kills. I'm suspecting vig over SK as thinktank and Y were killed.

Re:reading

[Oman]

Personally, I'd be more worried about destructor than Crub. If putting someone at L-4 is opportunistic, what of putting them at L-3?

Doesn't like the wagon on ryan.

hmmm we have ryan at L-2. What is the reason for this? I haven't seen enough that I'd happily lynch any one of you yet.

Another ryan defence, however, I think its accurate, so a nulltell.

holy shit too many people on ryan for it to be legit
Unvote

Poor logic, and gets off the ryan wagon.

FoS Kravhen or Replacement

Destructor is unwilling to explain his "vote" on ryan. This could be scum not wanting to give away too much on his fellow scumbuddy.

Destructor and Oman both strike me as scummy and wouldn't shock me if they were a scumpair.

This clears destructor a bit in my eyes, however, there is the secondary opinion that on a destructor lynch ryan could push me.

Phate pushes ryan pretty hard in posts 103-110

Ryan votes destructor later, i think he is more likely town.

You know what? I don't really want to be on the same wagon ryan's on

FoS Phate

I'll let others continue to probe ryan's intentions. Meanwhile, I thought also thought this was interesting:

Completely avoids the ryan wagon.

TDP's entrance avoids ryan completely.

For the record: Y was right here:

I think people are reading Oman's actions in a wrong way. Reading his last few posts makes me pretty confident that he is a well thought player that wanted to create some chaos at the beginning of the game.

Phate's claim is a townie point and kind of disturbing.

TDP seems to be a townie due to the claiming there.

ryan votes phate.

I must admit, when I went LA cause of my ISP, I stopped paying a whole lot of attention.

Firstly,the claim stinks of fakeclaiming scum dying to confirm himself.

Whilst this is true, a true read has led me in a different direction.

Ryan pushes TDP for a vote, I think tdp is town atm.

I laugh now when ryan asks for my partners and I say he's one.

TDP's logic on her ryan vote blows, but I doubt scum would've voted him so early.

Destructor has trouble with the forming ryan wagon, unfortunatly, I still think he's town.

Crub, after lurking all over the shop, votes for phate.

Bookitty votes ryan with the explaination of "his actions".

Town

Crub
Destructor
Phate
thedragonsprincess

My thought is this.

A popcorn nameclaim? We haven't seen a single double up of names yet. We have phate as lettuce and TDP as cucumber. I know why name doesn't double.

What do you think? I suggest phate or TDP start the popcorn too.

[Oman]

I have a reason. See how he is at the top? Its at the start somewhere.

[Oman]

I forgot the reason in 20 pages of reading if it isn't clear.

[Oman]

I think it was his early vote for ryan...i dunno. I won't reread again cause I'm lazy.

[Oman]

Not a mass claim, a mass

Name

claim.

Popcorn is:

A choses B
B claims
B chooses C
C claims
C chooses D
D claims.

Basically the protown goal is to get scum as close to the top, and the scum goal is to get scum right at the end. Gives a lot of insight into people.

I suggest when people choose, they give a reason.

[Oman]

Go right to the end.

Then discuss.

Well, thats the way I've done it. You can do it either way.

Also, its best to wait till its your turn to counterclaim, rather than when they claim.

[Oman]

Go go selfishness.

[Oman]

Can you comment on this quote with your suggestion of a popcorn claim in mind?

No, I can't really, except that TDP and phate are both at the bottom of my list, if I get selected.

[Oman]

I thought otherwise, and mostly due to speculation on the setup, as (you'll find later) my rolename is unique.

[Oman]

Oh, also, I mentioned that "rolefishing" thing, because I didn't want to talk about it.

I was hoping some scum would say "I AM ALSO X" and we could catch them out later if my speculation was wrong.

[Oman]

Well, destructor, it still helps. For one thing you find WhoMe? scummier than me, otherwise I would've been before him.

[Oman]

Green beans

Next -> Whoever replaces Jayhawk

*checks*

[Oman]

gorckat.

[Oman]

Next -> ... Actually, I'd like to choose after Oman answers my questions.

keep it going or it will take us a week to do a simple popcorn claim.

Reading is hard, but make the effort.

[Oman]

I cannot believe this.

This is going to tear me up, and I welcome you on some level (but seriously, I can't believe it).

I checked my role PM:

It is Green Bean. Why did I post Beans? Same reason I read brussells sprouts, I am much more used to discussing them in the plural.

[Oman]

Mine was specified

Green

Bean.

When I think peppers, I think the green ones they use at Subway.

a reread of his posts in isolation, which I recommend.

What a stupid idea, context wins.

1) he requested the popcorn nameclaim and then didn't carefully read his name? Seems a little odd

Actually, I requested the nameclaim and didn't even read my role pm since the start. Basically, I read it page 1, said "Right I'm Green Beans" and went about my day. Then on the claim I said "Right, I'm Green Beans" and when about my day until it was brought up and I corrected it.

[Oman]

Maybe I got a guilty investigation on you?

I hate half-claims.

[Oman]

Bandwagon on ryan "UNTIL NORTHJAYHAWK GETS BACK" Time limit on bandwagon

Unvotes two days later, claiming bandwagon just for information.

Firstly, the until NJH gets back comment was cause my vote was on him except he was away.

Secondly, don't these two compliment each other? Time limit, unvoting soon after.

Post 416: "Ryan caught me, which wouldn't be hard, cause our role pms say we're both scum together." Deliberate presenting of WIFOM.

I've used this in several games, its alignment non-withstanding (unfortunatly, most of them are ongoing so I can't link)

And are you KIDDING me that D1 info bandwagon is a scumtell to you?!?

You don't get to play the role fishing card after making a post saying "Maybe I got a guilty on you".

Damn straight!

[Oman]

I'm here for the minute.

Let me quickly say, leek = common in UK, US call it something else I think, (Spring Onion?)

The fact that so many people are voting me for this "S" thing, makes me think that its a scum driven wagon, or the town are just damn stupid.

I happen to think the massclaim isn't helping, considering the crap that has been thrown around

i did copy paste off of the original mod PM to make sure i didn't misspell Broccoli.

Well, I didn't worry about mispelling "green Beans" did I?

How ironic.

why isn't it green pea?

There are other colours?

Green pepper? Has green in it.

FoS Soupfly

For the horrible...horrible logic.

Oh and

FoS Gorkcat

if soup is guilty, because Soupscum would know that I was town, and so he could express suspicion of you without worrying about me being innocent.

[Oman]

Actually, we use sprouts, beans or something else more in Aus, we hardly ever refer to them as "Green Beans". We often use "Beans" which is why I posted "green bean

s

"

[Oman]

I don't mind people reading me and finding me scummy, but this whole "s" thing is so damn stupid, because it assumes a mafia member will make up a bad fake-claim more than a townie will acciedentally pluralise his rolename (which is seen as a plural more than a singular).

Even worse it assumes that a mafia member will accidentaly pluralise a fake-claim more than a townie will accidentaly pluarlise his rolename. Which is stupid!

[Oman]

Back.

Reading, posting.

[Oman]

Please note: my actual rolename Is

Green Bean

I dislike Soupfly being the other mason, because he was my pick too

WhoMe is a pick, and my mind has changed on Crub to put him on the possiblescumlist too.

TDP did make a strangely interesting point, but I'd be more inclined to call in incoherrent over scummy.

[Oman]

Unvote Vote WhoMe?

I dislike your reasons for your votes, and the fact you seem to follow the votes within that logic disturbs me, you know they can't ALL be scum.

[Oman]

I hate you so much right now. No, seriously, I refuse to directly respond to you ever again.

You are a horrible example of why people should be allowed to live, you arrogant, moron.

God, I hate self-voters.

[Oman]

G'dammit! I had crub pegged D2.

Watch out you crazy aussie cowman, you're mine next time.

Oh and Destructor, NO!