Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[pisskop]

Like lol PLs are my bread and butter.

[pisskop]

this is the 'smarmy shitbag' site.

you were a bad player -> you got caught in a wagon.

Now you claim and work with town -> you dont you die.

simple. We dont give scum room to play footsies.

[beeboy]

Wait now he is at L-2 I forgot I unvoted.

VOTE: Drealz

[Dwlee99]

I was having trouble forming reads and drealz's posting was absolute garbage and total noise. I'll give you the last sentence cause you're right I haven't put everything into this game but I think you're smart enough to know effort =/= being town and low effort =/= being scum.

um... posts like 183 don't seem to imply that it's a "having trouble forming reads" thing, that seems like it would imply "I have a scum read on you because you're generating noise for scum to hide under".

If you're town you're just making noise and creating a smoke screen for scum to hide under

This is me telling him if he is town to stop being dumb. You're right about my reason but that doesn't mean it is or was a particularly

strong

read.

the rest of your treatment of him this game, like... the fact that he appears to be your preferred lynch... implies the same thing.

Gotta pick someone? I unvoted a while back when he got to l-1 though cause I wasn't comfortable with day ending so early.

I also think that you're a smart enough player to know that "noise" does not necessarily mean scum and that's a large part of why I don't like the fact that you have focused on it the entirety of this game day without attempting to refine the read any further - it isn't about high effort or low effort, it's that I don't buy that you would just declare "scum because noise" and leave it at that.

I got a scum read on him from it and then I hit a period of low activity. I don't know how you expect me to refine my read when I am not posting and there's like 10 pages while I'm at school. So this comes straight back to effort.

if you think the actual content in his posts are garbage irrespective of how noisy they are, I'd like to hear why (my read on him based on his posts is almost entirely null since I can't parse them at all). if I'm wrong in my interpretation of your read on him and you mostly just wanted him out of the game, I'd like to hear what your current picks for scum actually are, since that's another issue in itself (if you need a bit of time to read the thread and answer this that's fine).

Because he isn't saying anything. He's just sitting there and saying random stuff. Noise is garbage.

That can be a thing could push because of those reasons but you're just fitting it to a scum narrative. You say "this argument is safe to push" and "people usually don't fault the aggressor" and then attach a scum agenda to it. Conditional probability: If someone is scum they are likely to push these arguments. But someone pushing these arguments does not (necessarily) make them more likely to be scum.

the main bulk of my issue is what I wrote in the first paragraph of this post and this is why I don't think the read is likely to come from you as town. the fact that it has advantages for scum is just an extra benefit that makes me think it is something you would reasonably do (I am sure you know that if you can't figure out the scum motivation for something, you likely should hesitate to push it as a scum tell even if you're not sure they would do it as town)

FE

I'm curious as to what gives you the impression Varsoon is a low-effort player this game. besides that, if you want me to explain a specific read, feel free to ask.

I guess he has done stuff in the past 5 pagesish I've missed? I don't recall him doing much.

[Wisdom]

liking those pisskop posts

[Dwlee99]

Pisskop was already obvtown tho

[Wisdom]

the read had stagnated in my memory

[Wisdom]

also lets get a hammer

[SirCakez]

Well the reasons are already in the thread

Only after I called you out

Pie is seeing all the same things about Varsoon
@dreal voters

Do you really think he would keep trolling here like he has been if he was scum?

That literally makes Drealz more likely to be scum. Scum are perfectly capable of committing to a game plan. I feel like trolling town would be a lot more likely to stop if there lynch was becoming inedivitable since that is very much against there win con but he probably just feels like scum who has already committed to a game plan and is hoping to get town read out of it. (Although it could just be null) Like i literally made a point of playing horribly at times in Gistou because I thought it would get our a lot town read (and it did)

Except people are literally scumreading him solely because he's being uncooperative
There's a very good chance he would get out of this lynch if he stopped being a troll. It's gone beyond scum trying to get townreads imo

[pieguyn]

also lets get a hammer

how about you all quit being stupid and acting like it's unreasonable for people to want to spend more than half a RL week in this game day? both mhsmith0 and Nahdia have, at this point, openly expressed that they don't want to rush this day, and I feel the same way.

[pisskop]

Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him

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Nonononono we arent player the lyncher/jester game, WIS.

OK it seems Aero never adjusts her reads

Thats our girl Aero

SLAYERS GAMBIT, GUYS!

the two people who i want to focus the absolute most on right now are {dwlee, Varsoon}

What are people's opinions of this post?

[Wisdom]

if it wasnt for her claim id be thinking pie is scum

[beeboy]

Well the reasons are already in the thread

Only after I called you out

Pie is seeing all the same things about Varsoon
@dreal voters

Do you really think he would keep trolling here like he has been if he was scum?

That literally makes Drealz more likely to be scum. Scum are perfectly capable of committing to a game plan. I feel like trolling town would be a lot more likely to stop if there lynch was becoming inedivitable since that is very much against there win con but he probably just feels like scum who has already committed to a game plan and is hoping to get town read out of it. (Although it could just be null) Like i literally made a point of playing horribly at times in Gistou because I thought it would get our a lot town read (and it did)

Except people are literally scumreading him solely because he's being uncooperative
There's a very good chance he would get out of this lynch if he stopped being a troll. It's gone beyond scum trying to get townreads imo

I mean that person isn't me and those people are voting for the greater good of this game.

If he stops trolling and fails to explain his reads he gets lynched anyway.
He is doing nothing and both his wagon has had 3 counters now (Luna, Varsoon and now Pie and Dwlee are doing a 1v1) and he has a few people hard defending him. So you can't really say what he is doing isn't working.

I don't think the flow of the game indicates he is town at all which is probably what you think if you are saying his wagon is large and shit.

[pieguyn]

if it wasnt for her claim id be thinking pie is scum

you know as well as I do that it's really toxic when games drag out the entire 14 days every single game day. I completely understand that this is a bad thing, and that you want to end today early because you do not want to see something like that happening in this gamestate.

what you're doing, though? is the exact opposite problem. you're attempting to cut off days before people are able to actually form meaningful and clear reads, which is as bad as dragging days on endlessly for no reason.

[SirCakez]

He's at L-1 beeboy? Pretty clear it's not working
I'm pretty sure wisdom is just scumreading anyone who disagrees with him

[beeboy]

He is at L-2 and literally no other player is expressing any interest in voting him. Maybe Nahdia and Luna but I don't really think they will.

[SirCakez]

Nahdia has made it pretty clear she thinks dreal is scum
Who unvoted?

[beeboy]

Nahdia and Luna did

[pieguyn]

Because he isn't saying anything. He's just sitting there and saying random stuff. Noise is garbage.

this is the part that I take issue with.

drealz is a really erratic and noisy player, but it *isn't* true that he doesn't have any content anywhere in his posts. he is forming reads, taking stances, and so forth, even if there's a lot of erraticness in his posts and even if he isn't the most cooperative player.

a town approach, I would expect to be actually reading his posts and what they contain and analyzing it in some way or another, even if they still come out of it with a scum read (what for instance beeboy is doing even if I don't agree with most of his reasons). what you did, on the other hand, was you said "his posts are nothing but noise, so he's scum" - you're either missing or deliberately ignoring what his posts actually contain and writing it all off as just "noise", and no, you not being here does not have anything to do with this. even when you were here and present in the game thread, for about the first ~2 RL days of the game, his posts had at least some stances and reads in them.

if you had trouble forming a read on his posts early in the game, that's fine, but once you catch up I would like you to actually attempt to read the content of his posts and form an opinion of him that isn't just about "noise = scum".

[pieguyn]

He is at L-2 and literally no other player is expressing any interest in voting him. Maybe Nahdia and Luna but I don't really think they will.

for the record, if people don't want to lynch Varsoon for whatever reason and {people don't want to lynch dwlee, he towns sufficiently} I would vote drealz.

[Wisdom]

He's at L-1 beeboy? Pretty clear it's not working
I'm pretty sure wisdom is just scumreading anyone who disagrees with him

nice try at discrediting

[pisskop]

Pie, can we niot lynch dwe or varsoon today?

[pieguyn]

Pie, can we niot lynch dwe or varsoon today?

both Varsoon and dwlee look significantly worse than drealz to me, so... /shrug

drealz is likely going to end up happening if Varsoon doesn't, but if you want to Take a Third Option, feel free to sell me on it.

[Wisdom]

id prefer cakez to either

[pisskop]

Pie.