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[Kohai]

Understand. Thanks for the clarification.

Do you possibly want to see my completed games as well?

[iamafluffyrabbit]

thanks for offering, i actually don't need any from you until i consider you a possible lynch in a gameday

don't wanna do more reading than i think i need to

[TTTT]

also before i forget to say

stove actually isn't the lynch today

he's a vig shot if we have vig and otherwise we leave the slot alone

why?

Also, if rabbit turns out to be scum... I'm impressed.

@iron
you've played with rabbit off-site, no?
your input would be helpful here.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

shoot scummy lurkers, lynch people who've had more interactions and will continue to produce more interactions

following this rule of thumb is generally pro-town

[iamafluffyrabbit]

not even wanting to lock stove as the shot though, he needs a chance to actually do something lmao

[TTTT]

stove should not be a wagon at this point but really the votes arent that important

as long as all town players start giving opinions on this kyouko/transcend thing ill be happy

I've been TRing kyouko most of the game.

I don't think I can accurately read Trans Day 1.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

it's often the case that the optimal shot will be the 2nd wagon though

or in the case of a town flip, somebody on the wagon

[iamafluffyrabbit]

can you give me some kind of basis for your kyouko townread

grab a few quotes or at least postnumbers

[iamafluffyrabbit]

Scum Pool

rb
iron
LUV
Kohai

Explain the Iron read. He's null for me right now.

I've recently been scum-buddies with iron and played with town!iron in another game
and so far this looks like the former

i actually need you to elaborate here too

if both games are complete i wouldnt mind links either

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i mean they have to be right lol

[TTTT]

can you give me some kind of basis for your kyouko townread

grab a few quotes or at least postnumbers

A few posts jumped out to me as ssbm trying to understand a player's intentions rather than surface reading: 246, 249, 283, 286, 287, 461 (regardless of whether or not ssbm is correct, the thinking behind 461 looks like something town would come up with).

[TTTT]

i actually need you to elaborate here too

if both games are complete i wouldnt mind links either

iron is better at town than scum.
probably not the right way to put it but he is kind of shy as scum.
Not a strong scum read but enough for now.

scum!iron - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68228
town!iron - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68854
My main is scum in the town!iron game above.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

good stuff good stuff

makes me feel better about kyouko which makes me feel worse about my own reads but oh well thats life

[iamafluffyrabbit]

the stove scumgame you linked looks actually nothing like this game for him though

[Sesq]

the stove scumgame you linked looks actually nothing like this game for him though

Haven't really seen much of him to make an analysis though

[iamafluffyrabbit]

meanwhile him hardly showing up d1 in his towngame and being pretty disengaged kinda looks like this lol

[iamafluffyrabbit]

i just have a metaread that he's town because i dont think he'd be this heavy for his scum team lol

less feeling of responsibility when town

[TTTT]

I replaced into our scum game late (when iron was kinda lurky). So yeah, it might not be accurate for me to compare his late-game there to his early-game here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Fluffy:

Why are you assuming town should do certain things and react in certain ways? People aren't computers, they're human. Meaning they're unpredictable. Throw out everything you know about town tells and try to look at the motivation of SSBM's posts. I don't see any scum motivation from SSBM after a quick glance of his ISO so when you get a chance, please point out what you see.

As for Transcend, he's just one of those players you have to hope roll with town if you're town. He's a pretty difficult read. This is my third game with him and I've determined it's best to have him as null until the endgame or wait until he's cleared via a PR. I get it though. You can't read him and you're frustrated about that but the soft defending you claim SSBM's doing doesn't mean that he or Transcend is scum.

@Impoetic:

I bolded it in my 180. It read like he knew you were scum. I acknowledge that I might have misunderstood his comment and gave him some questions to answer in my 221.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say about what I believe to be my first acknowledgement of Fluffy. I'm also not sure why you're mentioning that we didn't take away the same things from Fluffy's comments about being TR so easily.

I do think scum can have that thought process because I have had it as scum.

I'm not saying that you were scummy for your tone being less confident. That's not why I'm scum reading you, it's what I'm noting in case I'm wrong about Drealm. I just read your tone as confident and a little cocky when you were first getting shit about the joke vote and putting rb at L-2 unannounced and it seems different here.

I think your question about scum and confidence depends on the person.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Fluffy:

Why are you assuming town should do certain things and react in certain ways? People aren't computers, they're human. Meaning they're unpredictable. Throw out everything you know about town tells and try to look at the motivation of SSBM's posts. I don't see any scum motivation from SSBM after a quick glance of his ISO so when you get a chance, please point out what you see.

As for Transcend, he's just one of those players you have to hope roll with town if you're town. He's a pretty difficult read. This is my third game with him and I've determined it's best to have him as null until the endgame or wait until he's cleared via a PR. I get it though. You can't read him and you're frustrated about that but the soft defending you claim SSBM's doing doesn't mean that he or Transcend is scum.

@Impoetic:

I bolded it in my 180. It read like he knew you were scum. I acknowledge that I might have misunderstood his comment and gave him some questions to answer in my 221.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say about what I believe to be my first acknowledgement of Fluffy. I'm also not sure why you're mentioning that we didn't take away the same things from Fluffy's comments about being TR so easily.

I do think scum can have that thought process because I have had it as scum.

I'm not saying that you were scummy for your tone being less confident. That's not why I'm scum reading you, it's what I'm noting in case I'm wrong about Drealm. I just read your tone as confident and a little cocky when you were first getting shit about the joke vote and putting rb at L-2 unannounced and it seems different here.

I think your question about scum and confidence depends on the person.

[iamafluffyrabbit]

motivation is one kind of tell... i just have other tells. some can be wrong, but don't tell me to throw them all out please? and i already noted that feel better about kyouko after reading the posts TTTT pointed out were the basis of his townread

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I feel outside of being blantly anti-town, it's the only tell.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn't even realized I posted that twice. What the hell?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ok I finished taking my notes like I was trying to do earlier. Brace yourselves

Spoiler:

@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

Consistency is town trait
It's not a Newbie game, I think it's obvious and needless to say. But I can agree that it was a bit too early to give that read.

@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...

Because of the 101st point on Impoetic, durr!

What strikes rb as scum to you?

Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.

Spoiler: Like this never happened

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

Upon wagon collapse, he gives me a TR.

TTTT goes like “look, I'm town alright? I have reasoning and I'm sure of what I'm doing" in this post. I'm buying it!

scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.

Then he just shits on it with "fuck it, no I'm scum".

And that's why TTTT is scum guys!

Welcome back drone. Excellent analysis.

I'm off to bed. It's almost 3 am.

These posts together don't make sense to me. I pointed it out back then, asking if Kohai was being sarcastic but got no reply so I can only think he seriously thought Drone's case was legit

Nah, Iron ain't scum.
He's vibe transmit Village Idiot to me, my receptors don't lie.
I think it's only politically correct to lynch him!

This is Drone saying that he thinks it would be right to lynch someone he thinks is town this early in the day. He doesn't vote him though, just sort of encourages the idea of others voting him.

Fuck you spammers I don't want to read this garbage Lynch drone he's spamming this thread up why the fuck is there 18 pages?!?!

This guy is writing fucking nonsense and transcend is handing out town reads like hot cakes. He prob town reads Hitler too

VOTE: drone

I do not like this post at all.

Ironstove is now a strong scumread.

VOTE: Ironstove

He has only posted four times in the game and is very difficult to read. I don't like how he comes in out of nowhere and immediately votes drone and accuses him of spamming.

The first post is fine by itself, because iron chose some really bad ways to express his ideas there. What bugs me is that now we have Kohai openly defending Drone as though Drone

hasn't

been muddying his posts intentionally for most of the game so far.

RB is at L-2. Please no more votes on him until I can fully catch up. I will treat any hammer as a scum claim.

VOTE: Impoetic

Joke votes this far in the game is not town play.

L-2 is very bad. Especially at this point in DP1.

@Kyouku

If this is what you call overreacting, then Impoetic has been nuking us with drama.

I think he's trying to divert me away from Kohai and back towards the town!Impoetic wagon with this

i reread impo and think shes town lol

Saved me the work of voting and then unvoting.
Wondering about Fluffy now.

Take cover, I feel like we're giving way too much legitimation to Fluffy's blade fury!

These 2 posts look like an overreaction to obvtown!rabbit having a vague SR on Kohai. I don't see this as a town reaction so I decide to test the waters and vote Kohai to see what Drone will do.

Drealm needs reasons to keep drilling under Uzi..
That is why you can't get it!

I'm fine with taking Iron out.
VOTE: Ironstove

TTTT moved to the Null void.

I don't see the town motivation in voting for someone who you have admitted you think is VI. He's also bringing up Drealm and LUV again even though they've agreed to get back to each other later and not let them distract the rest of us from what's at hand.

FoS: Kyouku.

Instead of answering my reasonable question, you go further and vote.
Doesn't seem intentional to me, but also not something I like!

Elaborating defeats the purpose of reading between the lines,

Wow.

VOTE: Kyouku

Marvelous, that's one scum.

So now Drone is initially FoSing me partly because I voted Kohai, which is what I expected scum!Drone to do, so when he votes me I'm feeling more sure about this one. The vote on me is not town motivated.

U GUYS

KYO IS OBV TOWN

STAHP

Honestly transcend, it is shitposts like this one that gives me an FOS on you.

Kohai FoSes Transcend for having a TR on the player that is voting himself.

My top town reads right now are rabbit and drone.

Not only that but he so boldly outs that drone is one of his top townreads along with the player who is probably the most townread player in the game at this point

To do list:

1. Make case against transcend
2. ISO kyouko
3. Respond to impoetic.

@rabbit - just to clarify, do you town read or scum read me? If you scum read me, why?

I'm eager to hear what kind of scumbo jumbo

teehee, a pun

Kohai comes up with on Trans and I because it's gonna be good

I think they are together but it also makes a little sense to me for it to be scum!Drone whiteknighting town!Kohai, so I'll be putting my vote on Drone since he's the scum in both cases

VOTE: Drone

[Transcend]

Hi

Drone is a mislynch

Bye