Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

He wasn't asked IF, he was asked WHY.
And if he ISOed Aero, why not ISO a TR to get some extra opinions on things?

[mhsmith0]

Like, if you want to push on Wisdom for what is essentially null behavior, then I'd think it'd be the result of you having a bunch of decent town reads and having him in a "others" pile. If that was your thought process that'd make sense, but for that itself to be a ping on you is weird.

FWIW, you've also had a weird vote/push on Luna, for what also seems to be a playstyle thing for her (her playstyle is to do town reads and then vote in her "others" pile, so 189 in that context is pushing on something null; and I still don't get what you were on in 134/138/140).

On the upside it seems like you're trying, but your pushes and reads have been nearly nonsensical, which makes me think that you're PROBABLY just the bait of the game.

[mhsmith0]

He wasn't asked IF, he was asked WHY.
And if he ISOed Aero, why not ISO a TR to get some extra opinions on things?

he was asked why his vote was still good, his answer was it was still good because he ISO'd. I fail to see how that doesn't make sense.

As far as ISO'ing a TR, he basically said he was going to be lazy, and has in fact continued to be lazy. If your question is "why isn't he working harder", then that's a playstyle thing. Some people are lazy, either in spurts or over a longer period of time. If you want to push on him for being lazy, then substantiate enough town reads to make it reasonable to push him essentially just for not being a town read. If you want to pretend that his laziness is itself meaningfully AI, then I doubt that people are going to follow you.

[mhsmith0]

Actually I'll edit the above a bit. He's been a bit low on content but hasn't been flagrantly lazy.

His posts from 242 on have actual opinions in them, even if the reasoning behind them is sometimes opaque.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wisdom isn't normally a lazy player though.
Maybe there's something else going on?

[mhsmith0]

That said, Gamma, given your opinion of Wisdom, do you think Cakey is therefore town? That's Wisdom's current target; if Wisdom is scum, has he spewed Cakey town? Is that distancing? Do you have any opinion on what he's actually pushing right now?

[mhsmith0]

Wisdom isn't normally a lazy player though.
Maybe there's something else going on?

Here's Wisdom in GoT (the game I was with him in)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
He doesn't seem horribly differnet here to there. Which game(s) have you played with him before that he seems differnet from?

[Gamma Emerald]

That said, Gamma, given your opinion of Wisdom, do you think Cakey is therefore town? That's Wisdom's current target; if Wisdom is scum, has he spewed Cakey town? Is that distancing? Do you have any opinion on what he's actually pushing right now?

Yes. I also think dreal is town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wisdom isn't normally a lazy player though.
Maybe there's something else going on?

Here's Wisdom in GoT (the game I was with him in)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
He doesn't seem horribly differnet here to there. Which game(s) have you played with him before that he seems differnet from?

Micro 647 and Death Note.

[pieguyn]

Wisdom was pretty lazy as town in PCB.

(kyahaha~)

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not saying his laziness is AI. I'm saying his selective ISOing is.

[mhsmith0]

I don't really understand why selective isoing is a sign of anything other than laziness. If there's something more there I think you need to explain it.

[Gamma Emerald]

If he was town he would have either done more ISOs or cone up with a different reason. Saying "I ISOed them" is a cop out.

[mhsmith0]

Well I think gamma actually believes the silly argument he's making, but that doesn't change it being a silly argument.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I very rarely don't read. The only time I did was because if I kept trying my play would have suffered.

[Gamma Emerald]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67979
Partway through Day 1 Zyf replaced in and filled the game with a whole bunch of crap, and I still read it all. Mostly because I had to to avoid getting lynched.
Huh.

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously, read or leave Wisdom. It's ten fucking pages so unless Turkey Day really got to you you're a fucking lightweight.

[Wisdom]

gamma is town

[Wisdom]

smith is making me a little paranoid with all the defending but hes probtown too

[drealmerz7]

oh geez, fucking "show me the evidence" - yeahhhh, cause smart scum just leave evidence lying around on purpose...noooooo, it's subtle and subversive and tangental associations and how it "feels" like you're trying to maneuver viewpoints rather than see them - that is what is scummy about you smith

VOTE: mhsmith

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: sircakez
I dont like when my questions arent answered.
(the vote and that statement arent connectedl

[drealmerz7]

If I missed answering any questions, please repeat.

[drealmerz7]

...But nevertheless, there's nothing fundamentally suspicious about it from Wisdom...

pushing and pushing your viewpoint "it's null it's null!!!" we get what you think, not everyone thinks that

this quoted phrase is erroneous because:

it's not an "okay" answer, it's essentially "why is your vote still valid if you're not current on the happenings?" with a response of "I selectively chose what to look at, out of context, and am making a judgement based on that and not using this many words to say so because if I do that it's obvious how scummy I am, so I'll use minimal words and make you guess at wtf"

[Dwlee99]

not you

[drealmerz7]

just saying

I think smith asked me some shit I don't have the energy/interest in answering, it happens sometimes, so, sometimes I just need a little coaxing, sometimes I still just won't answer cause, mehhh