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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:37 pm

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In post 323, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 321, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?
I asked for a partner claim because if there is no partner we have caught scum.
But ideal play is to let one of them die at night.

If someone else flips Mason, he is confirmed town. If he flips Mason, we have what is essentially an IC waiting to claim left over.

This way we gat neither. Literally no benefits to having Masons if they're out in the open.
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:37 pm

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In post 324, MisaTange wrote:what kind of mason fakeclaim (assuming me and LUV are part of a scumteam) doesn't have a partner prepared tho
Also, this.
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:38 pm

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If the scumteam is 2 goons and a PR, he may have to check to see who the other goon is.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:38 pm

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In post 327, Gamma Emerald wrote:If the scumteam is 2 goons and a PR, he may have to check to see who the other goon is.
This was @Misa
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:41 pm

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In post 325, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 323, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 321, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?
I asked for a partner claim because if there is no partner we have caught scum.
But ideal play is to let one of them die at night.

If someone else flips Mason, he is confirmed town. If he flips Mason, we have what is essentially an IC waiting to claim left over.

This way we gat neither. Literally no benefits to having Masons if they're out in the open.
Well the lack of a partner paired with the claim at L-2 was really strange to me.
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:03 pm

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VOTE COUNT 1.05


Eric Rasputin (4): Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Creeps20
Lil Uzi Vert (1): TheseViolentDelights
ScumDeersAreVeryTasty (1): havingfitz
TwiszTed (1): Eric Rasputin
MisaTange (1): TwoFace
Gamma Emerald (1): Aristophanes

No Vote (4): FrankJaeger, TwiszTed, Gamma Emerald, Hiraki

With 13 players living, 7 votes are required to lynch.

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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:41 pm

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misa - can you convince me on eric?
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:08 pm

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In post 321, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?
Never do. Ever. I once doubted a proven jailor claim on TOS. I don't trust.
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:13 pm

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In post 332, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 321, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?
Never do. Ever. I once doubted a proven jailor claim on TOS. I don't trust.
You're even worse than me in the situation that led to my first part of my sig.
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:53 pm

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In post 333, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 332, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 321, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?
Never do. Ever. I once doubted a proven jailor claim on TOS. I don't trust.
You're even worse than me in the situation that led to my first part of my sig.
You haven't seen half of it. Lets leave it as that.

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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:23 am

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VOTE: gamma

His vote on luv was bad and reaction after luv claimed seems fake.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:46 am

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In post 332, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 321, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?
Never do. Ever. I once doubted a proven jailor claim on TOS. I don't trust.
Lack of trust is as bad as too much trust. Caution is required for proper play, but this goes a bit far man! Link, town has to work together and form trust networks to win! Trusting nobody is arguably antitown.

Why the vote on Eric?
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:50 am

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In post 336, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 332, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 321, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?
Never do. Ever. I once doubted a proven jailor claim on TOS. I don't trust.
Lack of trust is as bad as too much trust. Caution is required for proper play, but this goes a bit far man! Link, town has to work together and form trust networks to win! Trusting nobody is arguably antitown.

Why the vote on Eric?
He bandwagoned on LUV and when questioned says it was a gut read. At best he is a clueless town (Which, from his claim is probably false) at worst scum trying to mislynch or bus
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:00 am

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But gut is a legitimate reason to vote
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:01 am

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In post 338, TwoFace wrote:But gut is a legitimate reason to vote
Not in my eyes. Too easy to fake having reasoning for your vote
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:05 am

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So I guess you're either clueless town or scum trying to mislynch
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:21 am

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In post 29, TheseViolentDelights wrote:
In post 28, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 27, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 26, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: havingfitz

You aren't getting away this time.
What happened?
Nothing happened. I'm just participating in RVS.
Why do you feel the need to participate in RVS?
Digging this out. Why did you think you needed to ask only a particular someone a question which answer is obvious?

In post 106, TheseViolentDelights wrote:VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
I didnt see a good reason to vote him. :igmeou:

In post 125, Eric Rasputin wrote:
In post 124, TwiszTed wrote:
In post 123, Eric Rasputin wrote:
In post 122, TwiszTed wrote:
In post 120, Eric Rasputin wrote:
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert


Best bet for me ...
Why is Uzi scum?
Reading through the chat and based on my gut, I have a feeling its Uzi ... Although I have no evidence to support it ...
Don't be lazy. Gut is based on something. What is it?
His activity in page 2 and 3 .... He is ubiquitous, not too active but active enough .. That is scummy behaviour ... His analysis seems off, his analysis is not backed with proof ...

My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you) .. Well, lets see how the game pans out ...

Im hosting a dethy on another forum and thats taking up most of my time ... Sorry if I was not active before
What was wrong about his analysis? Voting someone with a baseless accusation. Probably not a thing town will do.
In post 150, Eric Rasputin wrote:Question: Can we role claim ?
This post is screaming mafia. It's like trying to show he can claim if he needs to. And he says he has 7 years mafia experience and yet doesn't know when to claim. I bet it was an attempt to show himself as a claimable town.
In post 206, TwoFace wrote:VOTE: misa
In post 210, TwoFace wrote:
In post 207, MisaTange wrote:
In post 206, TwoFace wrote:VOTE: misa
why

if you're sort of angleshooting (bc im posting on a different game), this is really not the time
Not sure why you even would think that's the reason. I voted you cause I think your vote on Eric is garbage. Your reason for voting him is garbage and I disagree that him wanting to rush the day is a scumtell. Looks like going after an easy target which I feel is more likely to come from town. Some of Eric's posts aren't great but nothing looks like they have scummy intentions. Yours on the other hand do to me.
Actually, TwoFace has been defending and backing Eric up. May we know the reason? and i saw no scum-intending posts of Misa whatsoever.
In post 288, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Mafiascum is life.
UNVOTE: Eric

VOTE: Uzi

Useless posts. Constantly. I really haven't seen much content
He had 1 or 2 such posts in the recent pages. And Why will you vote for a single fluff post? You yourself used to fluff a lot in SC Forums as town. You should know that town can fluff as well.
In post 309, Gamma Emerald wrote:I would rather vote this rn than remain on a stupid RVS vote I'm not pushing.
VOTE: LUV
This is a straight push for a claim. Why pressure him more? for a claim?
In post 320, Creeps20 wrote:UNVOTE: Uzi
While I don't buy this claim I won't risk it. Not yet at least

VOTE: Eric
Back to this
An attempt to discredit the claim?

I feel like Ari is town (Excluding claimed town). Cant say about others. And These are my top suspects:
Eric (For voting with a baseless accusation)
Creeps (For stated reasons)
Gamma (For pushing a claim)
TwoFace (There's no reason a town will try to defend someone D1 exept if they are scum and know he is town to get on the good side or defending a scum-bud and when the scum flips, Say "If was scum, Will i buddy a maf so early?" Maybe I'm overthinking abut it but I may be very right.)
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:53 am

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UNVOTE: Io/Deer
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:56 am

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In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Actually, TwoFace has been defending and backing Eric up. May we know the reason? and i saw no scum-intending posts of Misa whatsoever.
I'm confused. You quoted my reason yet asked me for my reason. Why?
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:01 am

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In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:TwoFace (There's no reason a town will try to defend someone D1 exept if they are scum and know he is town to get on the good side or defending a scum-bud and when the scum flips, Say "If was scum, Will i buddy a maf so early?" Maybe I'm overthinking abut it but I may be very right.)
so why rule out the possibility that I think Eric is town and I'm defending him cause that's what you do for town reads? You seem like an experienced player so leaving that out of your possible scenarios is odd.

Eric as I said earlier is an easy target. I fee like he's going to be a mislynch. I'm going to try and prevent mislynches if I can.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:05 am

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You guys must like me lol. I am town and not mafia is all I have to say ... You guys asked me for my reason as to voting for Uzi and I told it and suddenly I'm the guilty one? Go learn to analyse and then play this game ... I will be a mislynch, I assure you ...
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:17 am

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Eric....pretend you are scum. Would you expect that saying you are town is all it took to remove suspicions towards you?
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:35 am

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In post 346, havingfitz wrote:Eric....pretend you are scum. Would you expect that saying you are town is all it took to remove suspicions towards you?
this is dumb, i expected more from you
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:48 am

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In post 347, TwoFace wrote:
In post 346, havingfitz wrote:Eric....pretend you are scum. Would you expect that saying you are town is all it took to remove suspicions towards you?
this is dumb, i expected more from you
1. I didn't ask you
2. I don't agree with you
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:22 am

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I started the post below yesterday and then my slow day became not so slow...

//Slow day. I notice I only have 3 posts....sorry about that. I do
tend to be a bit of an underposter that catches up in longer type
posts. Being primarily a phone poster slows me down a bit too. But I
digress...

So catching up from post 177 to 262...

I still am of the opinion TVD and Hiraki are town. TVD hasn't done
anything to change my previous view on him because he hasn't done
anything (literally) since my last catch up post. Whereas Hiraki has
zeroed in on LUV...who I also have . I also still do not like the Io slot because of my
aforementioned reasons and now because they have flaked out of the
game. My vote is teetering between LUV and Io but I'll keep it where
it's at for now until Io's replacement changes my mind or a better
spot for it presents itself.//

So to resume....

My vote on Io wasn't based on the firmest of indictments and I've
liked what I've seen from Deer so far so I removed my vote. I believe
the mason claims. LUV was on the verge of getting lynched and his
claim made sense. Outing both masons wasn't necessarily a good idea
unless absolutely required but at least it will help with POE as long
as they both are alive. I do not think scum would fakeclaim mason and
risk outing two players as they could be subject to potential
investigative PRs who doubt their claim. I can't recall exactly why
but I also had niggling suspicions towards Misa. So their claims has
helped divert my radar elsewhere as I probably would have wound up on
the LUV wagon as well once my suspicions on the Io slot had been
reduced.

So where am I now?

Town (masons) - LUV, Misa
~Town - Hiraki, TVD

Ari
: Softcrumb (~bad). Vote on me (despite essentially
after
condemning me for my Io vote) (bad). Votes a ~mason (~bad). Lobbies
against voting Eric (ffr). =
weak suspicion


Creeps
: Not a lot of posts (bad). Early push for scum hunting
(good). Early Eric vote was valid (based on Eric's bad (ffr). = weak
town lean

TwiszTed
: Very active (good). Defends Ari softclaim against
TVD (ffr). (good).
Eric's mason vote (good). Debates his Eric
vote to TwoFace (ffr). Gets pissed at TwoFace
(ffr). Surrenders to Eric ~newbie-ness and
unvotes (ffr). Banned (bad...on him). Lean town.

TwoFace
: Very active(good). Early stat theory fluff (~bad).
Shades mason (bad). Misreps (bad) Ted and gets into tiff. Naked
Misa/mason vote (bad). Defensive of Eric (ffr). Says vote on Misa is
gut () despite having just for voting her (bad).
vote on Misa doesn't have a lot of merit.
General snarkiness. =
Scum lean.


Gamma Emerald
: Very active (good). Early theory and alt fluff
(bad). Questions TVD's confidence (?). Seems to be shading TVD a bit
(ffr). Emphatically tells Eric . Votes
mason (bad). Emphatically tells Luv to Question for Gamma.....have you ever played in a game
were a mason claimed and did not immediately reveal his partner's
identity thereby proving they were fake-claiming scum? If scum are
going to fakeclaim why involve a partner? They could just fake claim
a PR that they might hate to see in the game in hopes of getting away
with it or outing said disliked PR. (bad). and you literally screamed for
LUV's partner 1 minute after he claimed. =
Scum
lean.


Io/Deer
: Not a lot of posting yet. I disliked Io's stats chat
to start the game but I've liked what Deer has brought to the game so
far. Town lean for me atm.

Frankjaeger
: Not enough to go on yet. = Null

Eric
: Bit of a late entry in the game with an immediate mason
vote for gut minus any evidence (bad). Proceeds to gives reasons
for LUV vote and voices suspicion of Gamma and Ted (ffr). A few posts
related to how things are or aren't done on this site compared to his
experience (meh). is just a bad post for
reasons I have previously explained. As yet unexplained Ted vote
(ffr). Has lots of mafia experience....is aware others find him
suspect but doesn't nothing to correct aside from proclaiming himself
town (bad). =
Scum lean.
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