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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:53 pm

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Upon review, it occurs to me that I didn't fully explain all of the little side details that made me suspect Jae was trying to buddy me in the first place.

I'll do that in a bit. Food now.
camn wrote:You did.
What crazy madwagon were you missing 4 pages in?
I wasn't sure how many votes Jae had accrued. I was surprised to see that he had only two votes and that you had three, which I think vindicates my taking the time to ask.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:21 pm

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In post 239, camn wrote:OK.
First-
Socrates

He is very clever at saying nothing. That is my problem with him.
The first ping of my scumdar was this:
In post 97, Socrates wrote:@MOD: What should our expectations be re:vote counts?
This was in his 4th post... the prior three of which were literally nothing about the game.
I wonder what he was thinking there... like.. were his thoughts of the previous 96 posts so unimpressive that he started wondering about... votecounts? To me this reads as "tryna look useful". Even DS thinks its weird.
Then, One might ask- when WILL he have actual thoughts about the game? Lets look.
Ah. Post 161.. about the coachin.
Seriously? 161 posts until you could find anything to talk about other than theory?
Its clever. The less you say, the less people can jump on.

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- I dont really explain townreads. Not on Spyrex, not on you.
Unless I need to to derail a lynch, which I usually don't do either.
Why? It gives the scum real-time feedback on how to win THIS GAME. I don't wanna.

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Yea- its the stuff BETWEEN 70 and 181 that torqued me. All the MOAR VOTES HERE nonsense.
But I am actually over kraska. I think she was confused and falsely confessed. And looking back, the question was vague if taken out of context. May I come back around, cuz skimming is scummy? maybe.

4th:
I AM INNOCENT

I havent seen someone do a cold-catchup like this in a while.. I FORGOT HOW SCUMMY IT WAS.
Though actually, reading it right now.. I wanna give him some time.

Sorry for the votehops.. but thats how I roll sometimes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Socrates


Also- the Thanksgiving holiday will make me shallow. Dont hate the playa, hate the game.
HEY! No using me in your logic! I'm not even in this game. :lol:


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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:39 pm

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So, Jae deciding to state a neutral read on me before I had even begun to post is weird as hell, as I (and other people) have already pointed out. Confused about why he would do that, I (and others) press him about singling me out, of all people.

His answer? That my confirmation post felt "stiff" and that he had done a "meta dive" on me (and SpyreX!? post 105) to research my playstyle.

Stiff?

STIFF?

Compare my confirmation post to Lady's six posts earlier, remembering that this would be BEFORE Lady could say anything about her (ostensible) post restriction:
In post 2, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This is a confirmation post.
In post 8, Socrates wrote:Confirm.
I'm the oddly stiff one? Rubbish.

And of course it was all a dead end with nothing to show for it than a 'meh'.

Why do the legwork on such an obvious dead-end, and NOT do the leg-work on his gut-town read of MOI (as MOI has, again, already pointed out himself)?
It doesn't make any sense.

I expressed my dissatisfaction with his logic not only on me, but also on MOI and he turns around and says something about my sig and starts trying to "engage" me directly. I consciously and deliberately turned it around on him to see if he was actually interested in feeling me out or if he was just trying to stroke my ego, and he proceeds to give me a bunch of veiled compliments while failing to follow through on his push.

And thus, he earned a vote from me.

It's not the most complicated of cases, but it's good enough for a starting place, and now I've suddenly got Camn jumping down my throat over nothing.

I've speculated that Jae was coached to do this by another member of the mafia. It might not have even been coaching about me specifically, just a suggestion to buddy up with one of the more experienced players and use their egos against them, or something. The three oldest accounts in this game are (I think?) me, Spy, and Camn, and Spy being the coach would explain why Jae would choose to 'meta' me and Spy but nobody else. Now that I look at it, though, Camn being the coach would also fit astoundingly well.

But that's not the important part, it was just an idle thought about how this would fit into the larger game. It means nothing until we've lynched this Jae fellow and proven him scum.

BUT

I'm starting to get to the point where I just want to murder some lurkers.

Dunn has contributed fuckall.
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Nacho needs to stop reading the webcomic and start playing.
SpyreX, is your current vote serious?
Is it a part of Lady's post restriction that she has to complain about having said restriction in every post she makes?
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:41 pm

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Half and half. I'm not passionate but i dont have something revving my desires yet
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:49 pm

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I'll rev your desires, SpyreX~.

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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:56 pm

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I love me a lurkerlynch.
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:57 pm

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In post 253, SpyreX wrote:Half and half. I'm not passionate but i dont have something revving my desires yet
How much longer should we give Nacho before we kill him?
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:58 pm

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In post 256, Socrates wrote:
In post 253, SpyreX wrote:Half and half. I'm not passionate but i dont have something revving my desires yet
How much longer should we give Nacho before we kill him?
You don't get to ask this question.

While I am still alive, I decide when it is time to consider lynching Nacho. No one else.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:03 pm

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In post 257, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 256, Socrates wrote:
In post 253, SpyreX wrote:Half and half. I'm not passionate but i dont have something revving my desires yet
How much longer should we give Nacho before we kill him?
You don't get to ask this question.

While I am still alive, I decide when it is time to consider lynching Nacho. No one else.
Oh?

Okay, then I'll ask for your opinion. Is it time to consider lynching Nacho?
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:13 pm

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Not at present, no.
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:19 pm

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In post 254, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'll rev your desires, SpyreX~.

I hope to god tildes don't break perfect grammar or I'm fucking quitting.
You did and page 10 was me holding a boquet outside a door that will never open
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:25 pm

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In post 260, SpyreX wrote:
In post 254, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'll rev your desires, SpyreX~.

I hope to god tildes don't break perfect grammar or I'm fucking quitting.
You did and page 10 was me holding a boquet outside a door that will never open
Don't do this to me, now I'm sad!

I want to kill him but the others won't let me and I can't scream at them.

This post restriction is so limiting.

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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:37 pm

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What LLD said, Soc.
Not day 1. No fucking way.
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:39 pm

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Plus holidays, meh. We should all relax in re: activity for the week.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:47 pm

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Yea lets chill and duh nacho gets at least a day bropass
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:48 pm

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ALRIGHT

Jaereed, kraska, lady lambdadelta, and spyrex are all town
like me


Let's POE this down and lynch whoever

Also I don't scumread magna either
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:57 pm

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I like your chutchpa were gonna go places
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:57 pm

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Okay-dokie.

I just get frustrated when I realize I'm only thinking about the things directly in front of me. Which I tend to do. A lot.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:59 pm

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Are we spinning wheels here i dont want to have to reread already god
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:00 pm

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Camn help me be the you the me that believes in you can be
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:20 pm

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In post 252, Socrates wrote:So, Jae deciding to state a neutral read on me before I had even begun to post is weird as hell, as I (and other people) have already pointed out. Confused about why he would do that, I (and others) press him about singling me out, of all people.

His answer? That my confirmation post felt "stiff" and that he had done a "meta dive" on me (and SpyreX!? post 105) to research my playstyle.

Stiff?

STIFF?

Compare my confirmation post to Lady's six posts earlier, remembering that this would be BEFORE Lady could say anything about her (ostensible) post restriction:
In post 2, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This is a confirmation post.
In post 8, Socrates wrote:Confirm.
I'm the oddly stiff one? Rubbish.

And of course it was all a dead end with nothing to show for it than a 'meh'.

Why do the legwork on such an obvious dead-end, and NOT do the leg-work on his gut-town read of MOI (as MOI has, again, already pointed out himself)?
It doesn't make any sense.
LLD had posted about her restriction by the time I reached the thread, I believe. I don't see why that's so hard for you to understand, really.

And yes, I also checked up on SpyreX. He was another one that I felt had a kind of stiff confirm post. And no, it's not an "obvious dead-end" as you seem to think. I've fingered scum off that before in the past. I possibly just got lucky, idunno, but point is, it has worked for me before and I see no reason to not scumhunt as early as I can.

Also, I'd never bother to meta dive MoI. I've seen his posting style before. I dive on people I have no experience with whatsoever and even then it's only if I have doubts on whether my read on them is any good.
I expressed my dissatisfaction with his logic not only on me, but also on MOI and he turns around and says something about my sig and starts trying to "engage" me directly. I consciously and deliberately turned it around on him to see if he was actually interested in feeling me out or if he was just trying to stroke my ego, and he proceeds to give me a bunch of veiled compliments while failing to follow through on his push.
Veiled compliments? Don't get you.

The words you like I didn't even know were words you liked. I've been reading a lot of mafia theory lately because I've had problems with my reads. A lot of it I guess is posted by older players or something and I picked up the usage from there and fell into using it with you because that's what I tend to do.

I don't even know what you mean by "consciously and deliberately turned it around on him" like... eh w/e. I'm actually reaching the end of my patience so I guess I need to cool it a bit.
I've speculated that Jae was coached to do this by another member of the mafia. It might not have even been coaching about me specifically, just a suggestion to buddy up with one of the more experienced players and use their egos against them, or something. The three oldest accounts in this game are (I think?) me, Spy, and Camn, and Spy being the coach would explain why Jae would choose to 'meta' me and Spy but nobody else. Now that I look at it, though, Camn being the coach would also fit astoundingly well.

But that's not the important part, it was just an idle thought about how this would fit into the larger game. It means nothing until we've lynched this Jae fellow and proven him scum.

BUT

I'm starting to get to the point where I just want to murder some lurkers.

Dunn has contributed fuckall.
Pisskop has failed to appear.
Nacho needs to stop reading the webcomic and start playing.
SpyreX, is your current vote serious?
Is it a part of Lady's post restriction that she has to complain about having said restriction in every post she makes?
I wouldn't buddy up to any of those accounts if I wanted to buddy. I don't know any of you. If I were planning to buddy someone this game it'd be someone I've played with previously.

You seem to equate older accounts with being scumhunting gods. You're not. None of us are. Egos lose games.

Also, you think camn could have coached me? Y'know, the person who was tunneling me and i was tunneling them earlier? You can't seriously believe that.
Also also, Dunn has contributed a lot. He's not a lurker and he's one of my more confident townreads.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:28 pm

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Going to wait until IAI finishes catching up before giving my thoughts on him.

Socrates, I'm very doubtful of your read on Jae because as far as I know, there is no real proof as to whether or not those words or terms actually appeal to you. You're just saying they do in order to make the case that they're being coached.

Dunn, why is Spy town? Is it because he sort of has that I don't care about looking town look going on?
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:29 pm

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In post 211, I Am Innocent wrote:Re Spyrex's Post 40 believing kraska's claim matches her flavor, do others familiar with this theme agree?

Post 55 is bad too. JaeReed yells at Dunn for bringing up something but then clarifies it even more "@Dunn my guess is possibility of a vig. Why bother to bring it up?"

JaeReed overreacts in 67 big time with an OMGUS vote and huge reads list.
Claim w/ flavor thing yeah I agree it matches, but it doesn't matter whether it does or not. kraska's town by play.

Post 55 is hardly what I'd call yelling. I responded to him and questioned his motive for drawing attention to it because it felt kinda like PR fishing to me.

That wasn't an OMGUS vote. That reads list was on its way regardless as I like giving early reads when I have them. It pushes actual content out there much faster. That reads list was coming regardless of anyone voting me or not.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:46 pm

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In post 237, I Am Innocent wrote:@JaeReed, can you please link me to a game where you read into confirmations before (Post 86 "I also read into confirmations. Sue me.")
Sure. This game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66896

I held off on posting there until everyone had posted, but I did make an early room with Charloux because of his confirmation & first post making him an extremely strong townread for me early on.

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/2nZRGwPDz5Cgk

That's the room. Post 3 in that QT is the reads, and I made that post I think around page 2 of that game while I was waiting for everyone to check in.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:50 pm

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In post 270, JaeReed wrote:Also, you think camn could have coached me? Y'know, the person who was tunneling me and i was tunneling them earlier? You can't seriously believe that.
I'm no scum mastermind, but I certainly have played my share of scum theatre. We could totally do that
We didn't. This time. But it is crazy doable.
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