Micro 662: ArcAngel's Twin Trap Mafia (Ended)

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

/confirm

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Actually, I Townread uncertainty. Only scum has any kind of certainty right now. Admitting you're wrong, backing up and re-evaluating, that's a Townish thing. So we're going to wipe your slate clean, MisaTange, and chalk this up to you being a newbie. Maybe you're even net Townish from this? Yeah, maybe a little.

Back to RVS, I guess. I got no leads.

Maybe we lynch the Terminator.

Unvote
Vote Arnold

no.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

For people who don't read signatures: I'm a Radja alt. I think I've only played with Kop out of everyone here, so it probably doesn't matter much.

Anyway

VOTE: Kop

I don't think MisaTange is scum here.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

milkshake, if you are as good at catching scum as you are at catching flaws in the rules, I can't wait to sheep your reads

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Yes. Yes Arnold. Come with me if you want to lynch scum.

Okay. Who are we lynching?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Vote misa

Throwing shade and then playing the "caught for the wrong reason" game.

>throwing shade
>admitted inthread that I reworded the post weirdly, allowing for misunderstandings which can happen. in a text-based game
>uh

Admitting things doesn't make them town.

But does it make them scum?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

First serious vote. SA goes that overboard making a bullshit case in RVS? Nah. This smacks of someone eager to fabricate reasoning, rather than spotting something real.

Vote Sleepless Assassin

Hey at least he's doing something. Like trying to progress the game. Don't vote him for it.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

Cause I feel like that was an opportunistic case by scum rather than town

Your argument falls flat when you realize that I wasn't scumleaning Pine/TB at all. Not from the beginning, not at the end of page one. If I had been scumleaning Pine/TB due to their RvS exchange, I would have voted for one of the two in my 15. You've made a PBPA of my current iso, but you haven't noted that my vote was on Tyler the

entire time before this post

... I.E: Someone who hasn't posted at all.

This post's vote is my first serious vote.

I repeat,

I never believed TB/Pine was scummy at all.

Not even a gut-scumlean. I never suspected Pine/TB due to 15. In fact, Pine is a gut-townread atm (due to 25, willingness to help a newbie, but I also recognize that can come from scum as well).

I only needed to point that out in the world (as in: I recognize that Pine/TB might be universally-townread in this game, which I'm okay about atm) that town finds TB/Pine to be scummy enough for a lynch, Pine/TB's RvS exchange might be some means of getting to their partner, especially if their partner shows sign of scummy behavior. It's future-evidence, if you will. It's nothing to pursue because if we applied that scumtell to right about now in three-page, just-out-of-RvS, we're doomed to fail, even with the basic questions of "Is this scum-intentioned? Is this town-intentioned?"

Which is why I sounded noncommittal before that post.

Me pointing out those two RvS votes were in no means a way to properly scumhunt.

How am I able to scumhunt when literally all of the events of this thread are literally:

• RvS > Pine suspecting me due to 15
  
• Pine suspecting me due to 15 > RvS
  
• RvS > SA suspecting me due to 15

If you're suspecting me just because I'm not scumhunting, then it's fair for me to suspect you because you're tunnelling.

The others have been just asking questions which is NAI, and Kop promised to post since yesterday but that is also NAI (especially as I'm still assuming that everyone's busy with Thanksgiving).

^My gut reaction to this is that it may be distancing/tactical bussing. It just plain smells fishy that they're so dead-set against one another. I've had very successful scum games where we come out strong against one another right from the start. Whoever wins coasts on early scumlynch.

PEdit - Reaching? Not at all. You quoted specifically the one thing that supported your position, ignoring the posts following it which explained the context surrounding the voluntary negation of that point. That's like, definitionally out of context.

The thing is bussing in a micro does not work well usually. There's only 2 scum and losing someone on Day 1 leaves only the other 1 to fend for himself.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Yeah I'm getting a strong tactical bussing vibe. At the very least, I feel confident that this dispute is not Town vs Town

ewww

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

VOTE: Pine

Misa and SA are town.
I don't like Pine's behavior around their argument.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

I'm not seeing it, sorry.

I don't like how you're trying to make it a 1vs1. Vote stays.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

VOTE: Pine

Misa and SA are town.
I don't like Pine's behavior around their argument.

Hmm. Why is misa town? What about pine's behavior don't you like? or is it just that you disagree about bussing?

Gut, I guess?

As for pine, see post above.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Can we lynch Pine yet?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

This game is a bit weird. There's no huge amount of pressure on any of the wagons.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

VOTE: Kop

I realized if we kill Pine, this game might be even more stale.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Vedith can you solve this game for me. I'm tired.

Who's scum?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

VOTE: Kop

I realized if we kill Pine, this game might be even more stale.

Does that make him town though????

Or ah, scum for that matter.

@arnold you still haven't explained your vote. Was the vote against Kop a way of putting on pressure or was there some other reason?

I'm pretty sure there's scum in the inactive bunch. Might as well be Kop

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Is Kop still scum now that he's active @Arnold?

Well him posting is not affecting my read at least. I'm not sure he's scum, but I'd like to sort him out because if I remember correctly I played a game where he lurked pretty hard as scum. I'm not too familiar with town Kop though.

I can still lynch Pine too.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

I don't get the milkshake votes. Someone explain.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Lil Uzi Vert, I agree with your assessment that there is not enough content right now to deduce anything substantial. BUT, the stance you have taken because of the lack of information is exactly what I advise against. You say you don't feel like voting anybody. Specifically you don't want to vote Sleepless Assassin, MisaTange, and Pine. Sleepless Assassin is the most relevant of these three because he has the most votes right now.

There is not enough content, yes. So, anyone has a 2 out of 9 chance to be scum. If you run the numbers, you will find a 2 out of 9 chance is good enough for the town at this point. If you feel apathetic, just join the bandwagon. Then the content will come.

What the fuck is this scumfuckery

Unvote

This looks a LOT like a scumbuddy trying to push a rudderless player onto the less damaging of two options.

I am still of the opinion that SA/MT is not Town vs Town, so that suggests a MT/Milkshake scumteam.

Game solved. You're welcome.

Vote MisaTange

Sleepless Assassin should agree with this vote. Bandwagons are good for making games come to life!

VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

Yeah, this supports it. Blatantly doesn't care about scumhunting, just wants to lynch someone.

In fact,

Unvote
Vote milkshake

I can come back to SA/MT, this is shiny and obvious.

That's the start of it.

I don't see it. Your second quote about milkshake not caring who gets lynched is actually very poor imo.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Vedith did you roll scum cause that was a terrible vote switch.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Ehh, with 243, I'm kind of starting to think my issues with milkshake is more of "I will never truly understand milkshake's thought process on this", because FMPOV they're just joining bandwagons with little reasoning, although I recognize that they might be a "I don't really know what to do Day One" kind of player... I still highly with the point disagree that lynching just because it is statistically favorable (or unfavorable in this case, because it is 50% or below), but hey, I'm not a person to work with numbers and be overly obsessed with them.

Milkshake and Vedith are slight town

Also rereading milkshake's iso, I'm starting to think the people who bandwagoned them are scum, minus Vedith.

Hmm.

VOTE: Spade_Ace

all of them?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Can we lynch Kop now? Thx.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

VOTE: Arnold

I haven't seen anything resembling productivity from this guy, and singleminded focus on a nearly-absent player without other scumhunting strikes me as suspicious.

My focus was on you but nobody seems to want to lynch you sadly. Nice try though ik

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Ugh no

But I'm sure he has a

REALLY

good case!

My case is if I don't get to lynch Pine I will settle for Kop.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Ugh no

But I'm sure he has a

REALLY

good case!

My case is if I don't get to lynch Pine I will settle for Kop.

You believe you won't get to lynch pine, let me be clear, your case isn't good enough.

VOTE: Arnold

Thanks for confirming you're scum.