DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Andrius]

VoteCount

Vaxkiller [11] - Ser Arthur Dayne, SpyreX, Fate, Cephrir, Spiffeh, GreyICE, MagnaofIllusion, Nukebringer, Accountant, xRECKONERx, RedCoyote
Untrod Tripod [5] - Ircher, mastina, Something_Smart, Papa Zito, Cheetory6
Ser Arthur Dayne [2] - Lady Lambdadelta, Vaxkiller
Ircher [2] - McMenno, ErrantParabola
Something_Smart [2] - GuyInFreezer, Untrod Tripod

Not Voting [2] - hiplop, Nahdia

With 24 alive it will take 13 to lynch.

It is now DEFCON 3. Day 1 will last until December 4th, 2016, at 13:00 hours.
COUNTDOWN: (expired on 2016-12-04 17:00:00)

Spiffeh is V/LA this week.
Papa Zito is V/LA this week.
Firebringer is V/LA this week.

[Vaxkiller]

I got eavesdropper. I asked for it 2nd. Here is my request list in order. espionage, eavesdrop, sub, strat missle defense, missle silo

Here is waht I have overheard:

please dont piss people off or you will be nuked until you glow

who should be applauded

xavier frank tom laura

[Cheetory6]

espionage, eavesdrop, sub, strat missle defense, missle silo

Why for all these picks.
Especially the first two.

[McMenno]

There was commentary, actually (see: 1173, 1219). Further, I challenged anyone to engage me on the vote (which no player has thus far been willing to do). So calling it "rvs-y" or "opportunistic" is a flatout lie. I also find humor in the fact that me putting you at L-11 is "opportunistic". Talk about disconnected from reality.

Since Cephrir and I are mortal enemies this game, it only speaks to how great of a lynch you are that we can both agree on your scumminess.

I don't understand your last sentence. I use scummy as an adjective to describe people that are voting/saying/promoting/attacking in such a way that leads me to believe they are scum.

I thought it was pretty clear from context that I was referring to ircher's vote there

[RedCoyote]

There was commentary, actually (see: 1173, 1219). Further, I challenged anyone to engage me on the vote (which no player has thus far been willing to do). So calling it "rvs-y" or "opportunistic" is a flatout lie. I also find humor in the fact that me putting you at L-11 is "opportunistic". Talk about disconnected from reality.

Since Cephrir and I are mortal enemies this game, it only speaks to how great of a lynch you are that we can both agree on your scumminess.

I don't understand your last sentence. I use scummy as an adjective to describe people that are voting/saying/promoting/attacking in such a way that leads me to believe they are scum.

I thought it was pretty clear from context that I was referring to ircher's vote there

Oh, my mistake. That makes a lot more sense now. I'll have to reevaluate that post and my read of you then.

[RedCoyote]

UNVOTE: Vaxkiller for now as I want to hear from LLD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE: Vaxkiller for now as I want to hear from LLD.

Regarding?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I got eavesdropper. I asked for it 2nd. Here is my request list in order. espionage, eavesdrop, sub, strat missle defense, missle silo

@LLD

- I thought you were taking Eavesdrop as your first pick ...

[RedCoyote]

Vax, is that the exact syntax of the messages you received? If not, please give it to us exactly.

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UNVOTE: Vaxkiller for now as I want to hear from LLD.

Regarding?

Vax's claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was doing it when Eavesdrop was a code breaking role.

Then I learned cryptography was banned.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't have anything that counter claims Vax's claim, if that's what you're asking.

[Cephrir]

Anyway, it just boggles the mind how anyone couldn't come to this conclusion or think to do any sort of research on it at all.

what a bizarre aggressive assertion.

[Cephrir]

They're both town in spite of their aggression toward one another.

It's relevant and easy to understand, so of course you'd be against it.

I understand what it means.

Oh boy we're gonna be like that! Great

[McMenno]

tbh at first I thought the submarine was an actual vig but apparently it's not I feel betrayed folks

[RedCoyote]

I was doing it when Eavesdrop was a code breaking role.

Then I learned cryptography was banned.

Fair enough. I remember this post.

Going to keep my vote off for now, but my initial impressions are that those messages don't look genuine. That said, Eavesdrop doesn't strike me as a high scum priority as surely a system could be arranged to mitigate any damage from drops and/or drop fakes. In fact, I think most players in this game, if they drew scum, might even feel up to the challenge of trying to make town-acquired Eavesdrop work in their favor.

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Anyway, it just boggles the mind how anyone couldn't come to this conclusion or think to do any sort of research on it at all.

what a bizarre aggressive assertion.

Save us the white knight act, please.

I extended an olive branch a couple of times, got nothing but snark in return. So, yeah, it's going to be like that.

[Cephrir]

i feel like rc is painting me as out to get him so i seem like a fringe element :/

[Cephrir]

.......

[Cephrir]

you just listed me outside the scum section of your read list and now i'm white knighting?

i don't even know what olive branch you're talking about but that makes it sound like i'm just such a jerk because i won't retract my scumread. i'm just such a meanie pants for having an opinion.

[Cephrir]

no one put eavesdropper first ._.

[RedCoyote]

i feel like rc is painting me as out to get him so i seem like a fringe element :/

You're in good company, don't worry. As mentioned before, generally the only times when coming after me are 'fringe' are in games when I draw scum.

you just listed me outside the scum section of your read list and now i'm white knighting?

i don't even know what olive branch you're talking about but that makes it sound like i'm just such a jerk because i won't retract my scumread. i'm just such a meanie pants for having an opinion.

Just because I think you're more likely to be town doesn't mean I don't think you aren't helping. I currently have you as a town read though, yes.

[RedCoyote]

Ugh all the negatives in that sentence. Let me try again:

I think you're more likely to be town, but you can still be hurting the town.

[Cephrir]

:/

[mastina]

MafBlack is the best because it is the default skin

You clearly don't know your mafiascum history.
Mafsilver was the default since the site's conception, essentially.

It is the superior skin.

[Ircher]

Also, since McMenno is so keen on lynching less-skilled players and players with a habit of getting lynched as town this game without giving even a shadow of a doubt:

The phrase "scummy != scum" means that just because a player may do things that can be viewed as coming from scum (aka scummy), it doesn't necessarily mean that they are scum.

All those scumtells on the wiki..... They probably work about 10% of the time at best. Why? 1) Scum will actively avoid commiting them because.... they're scumtells 2) Townies, who are less cautious generally, have a tendency of commiting some of them by mistake/without intending to do so/sub-consciously.

Scumtells ONLY WORK if the player in question consistently does them as scum but not as often as town. You have to look at the big picture WHICH INCLUDES the player's

meta and playstyle

before you start trying to paint a behavior as something only scum would do even when it's quite obvious that town can do it too.

Sheeping is

not

a scumtell 9/10 times because 1) Town can do it 2) Town who townread a better player than themselves may decide that that player's reads are more likely to be accurate 3) Anyone will start sheeping if they become apathetic 4) It's not a behavior that even benefits scum a lot.
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That said, my McMenno vote was

NOT

a sheep as I already explained giving

THREE

reasons for the vote, yet McMenno

focused on only

ONE

on those reasons and claimed my reasons were a

COVER-UP

because I

apparently

didn't want to be called out for sheeping.

Some other things people should realize: "Correlation doesn't imply Causation"; just because my vote came

soon after

Cephrir's vote

does not necessarily mean

that Cephrir's vote

caused

me to vote McMenno.

Maybe you didn't like my reasons for my Mc!enno; that's understandable as long as you show that you read them all. But, trying to press my vote as scummy even when 1) There's just as likely, if not moreso, chance that town COULD do something similar and 2) The number of assumptions to make for McMenno's account is more than the number of assumptions made for what I stated in terms of my vote (Occam's Razor) is beyond ridiculous;

it's scum behavior.

And I swear, if there were a lyncher in this game, it would DEFINITELY be McMenno with a win condition to try to lynch me; this isn't the first post of McMenno's that is outrageous and ridiculous with the sole intent of getting me lynched WITHOUT proper evidence or even effort to prove such.

It's obvious to me this is scum McMenno trying to get a lynch he believes to be easy to pull off.

VOTE: McMenno

[mastina]

someone remind me again why I should not put papa zito in the same category as mcmenno and hiplop

Because McMenno and hiplop deserve better than to be put into the same tier as Zito. They're at least on rung higher, if not two.