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town does not come in heavy hinting their PR on their first post

VOTE: TheseViolentDelights

Town doesn't push a PR crumber because anyone making such posts drastically reduces their lifespan.

Only scum has reason to want to kill a PR.

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town does not come in heavy hinting their PR on their first post

VOTE: TheseViolentDelights

Town doesn't push a PR crumber because anyone making such posts drastically reduces their lifespan.

Only scum has reason to want to kill a PR.

Ok.

So from a town perspective; If you roll a PR you're going to want to stay quiet about it. It doesn't make sense to come in and alert everybody that you're a PR like that, because that gets you killed, and renders you useless.

Ari has been around long enough to know this. You people haven't.

From a scum perspective, you're not going to lie about being a PR right out of the gate because staying alive will raise eyebrows.

Your push is shitty and entirely superficial.

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TVD's vote doesn't look like pushing to me. He didn't call for anyone to follow him, he just put more of a spotlight on Ari's post by voting.

An unnecessary spotlight using superficial reasoning that totally ignores the fact that the pr hint significantly reduces Ari's lifespan, which scum avoid doing like the plague.

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If TVD wanted to be known by another name, he'd tell us what it is.

Please have a quantum of respect and move on to relevant discussion.

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Oh that's Shakespeare
Also he's saying though your play COULD be newbtown your actions make you a decent lynch

Why do you feel the need to explain another person's thoughts?

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Oh that's Shakespeare
Also he's saying though your play COULD be newbtown your actions make you a decent lynch

Why do you feel the need to explain another person's thoughts?

Because I interpret them differently than you.

Then you should preface your post with the fact it's an interpretation and not "what he meant".

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Oh that's Shakespeare
Also he's saying though your play COULD be newbtown your actions make you a decent lynch

what it says to me is

that he's saying "Oh, he could be Newtown, it depends on whether he's an alt or not", and then later on saying I'm the optimal lynch anyway; meaning that he doesn't actually care whether I'm new or not but that I should be lynched anyway

Like that

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Oh that's Shakespeare
Also he's saying though your play COULD be newbtown your actions make you a decent lynch

Why do you feel the need to explain another person's thoughts?

Because I interpret them differently than you.

Also, how do I interpret what he saying?

I'm interested in this answer, since i don't believe I commented on it.

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Oh that's Shakespeare
Also he's saying though your play COULD be newbtown your actions make you a decent lynch

Why do you feel the need to explain another person's thoughts?

Because I interpret them differently than you.

Also, how do I interpret what he saying?

I'm interested in this answer, since i don't believe I commented on it.

You're likely interpreting it like TVD did: thinking it was a contradiction.

So now you're making assumptions, as well as speaking for others.

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For 81, and also for his push on Gamma. I don't know how I feel about gamma yet, but I know that that push seems like he's at least trying to get somewhere

Don't townread me for 81. I'm often accused of being an alt and would say the same regardless of alignment.

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Not really, no. Aristo coming in and making it pretty obvious like that without giving away what the role is means that all we know is that he's a power role.

Precisely, and power roles have a shortened lifespan.

Faking a bp claim sounds nice if you ignore the possibility of a counterclaim or another protective claim that makes no highly unlikely.

Bottom line, scum claiming pr unprompted are suicidal, especially on day one.

That said, I think you actually believe this bad logic of yours, so a disagreement isn't worth a scumread.

VOTE: Gamma

Tell me more about what I think, Gamma. Why do I consider you scum?

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Best bet for me ...

Why is Uzi scum?

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Best bet for me ...

Why is Uzi scum?

Reading through the chat and based on my gut, I have a feeling its Uzi ... Although I have no evidence to support it ...

Don't be lazy. Gut is based on something. What is it?

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His activity in page 2 and 3 .... He is ubiquitous, not too active but active enough .. That is scummy behaviour ... His analysis seems off, his analysis is not backed with proof ...

Thank you. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

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My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you)

So Gamma is scum, and I'm scum bussing him on d1 for... what reason, exactly?

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His activity in page 2 and 3 .... He is ubiquitous, not too active but active enough .. That is scummy behaviour ... His analysis seems off, his analysis is not backed with proof ...

Also, just how accurate do you expect analysis to be on pages two and three? How much evidence can there possibly be to back said posts?

I get the gut thing, but even so I think it's premature.

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My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you)

So Gamma is scum, and I'm scum bussing him on d1 for... what reason, exactly?

What does d1 mean ? Sorry for not knowing

day 1

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My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you)

So Gamma is scum, and I'm scum bussing him on d1 for... what reason, exactly?

What does d1 mean ? Sorry for not knowing

day 1

Why wouldnt you scum buss? I do it all the time and it is a good strategy to keep the town off of me ... Manipulation is the way to go

On day one? When there is a plethora of town targets to push with no negative repercussions?

If you play like that as scum, you're bad.

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Well I have played with seasoned vets like that and it works most of the time ... Atleast for me though .. Depends upon the individuals approach i think

The reason it's imbecilic to bus on day one is because scum have the assurance and knowledge of their partner actually being scum, so they're going to be seeing reasons to push their buddy in every post they make.

This will have one of two likely outcomes... the wagon will succeed, or it will backfire and the busser will be lynched instead.

Bussing has its place, but on day one when the world is scum's oyster ain't it.

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My next bet on Mafia would be Gamma and Twizted(you)

So Gamma is scum, and I'm scum bussing him on d1 for... what reason, exactly?

You never said why we're scum, btw.

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Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon

Been mulling this over, and yeah...

VOTE: Eric

Throwing out reads with zero backing.

As far as playing for yourself, that's all fine and good, I do the same. But that doesn't exempt you from responsible scumhunting.

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^don't like that post. You don't always have to justify your reads. Especially not early day 1. I don't like the attempt to discredit his scum hunting style.

What scum hunting? He has stated no reasons.

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He explained his reasons for uzi. So why misrep that?

I didn't. He said he had no reasons for two other scumreads.

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Plus I know players who intentionally don't give reasons to garner reactions.

I'd scumread them too.

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He explained his reasons for uzi. So why misrep that?

I didn't. He said he had no reasons for two other scumreads.

But you did cause he gave reasons for the person he's voting and you said he gave no reasons.

He doesn't need to give reasons for all his scum reads, especially early day 1.

If it's later in the day or something you would have a valid point

And I acknowledged those reasons.

However, I'm not just going to swallow scumreads without reasons simply because the player isn't actively voting them.

Scumreads happen for a reason. Denying town that information makes it easier for scum to coast by.

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Question: Can we role claim ?

Please don't.

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His activity in page 2 and 3 .... He is ubiquitous, not too active but active enough .. That is scummy behaviour ... His analysis seems off, his analysis is not backed with proof ...

Thank you. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

^ Me acknowledging his reasons (which I questioned shortly after in another post)

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And I acknowledged those reasons.

Yet you said he didn't give any...

HE DIDN'T, FOR TWO OTHER FUCKING SCUMREADS

Holy shit you can't be THIS dense.

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ROFL .. I like how you guys change your vote so easily when a dark horse suddenly appears ... Too easy

I am a townie and not mafia ... Dont regret it when the KP comes out ... This is my first time playing here, do you really think a mod would make a newbie here a scum? I think not

1) wtf is KP?
2) so what?
3) alignment is not based on experience

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UNVOTE:

I think Eric actually believe that newbies can't be scum here.

It's terrible, but I don't see him saying it as scum.

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KP is kill post ... And calm down son, you're the one who is oozing scummy behaviour ... You are posting too much and aggressively participating ... Another scum move

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68788

Guess I was REALLY scummy in THAT game. Right?

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I dont have the time to read through all that .... Past games are irrelevant ...

Not when they directly contradict your assumptions.

In the game, I was only alive for one game day but had more posts than anyone else in the game and actively pursued my preferred lynch.

You need to stop relying on site meta from wherever you came from because you ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto.

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Why are you so confused that I am voting for you? As if that is a dumb choice ... Do explain

I'll just let others. You won't believe me anyway.

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which player were you? Don't see your name.

I replaced in d2. Check the ISOs.