Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[BlackVoid]

Why, what happened for this shift?

She told me she wasn't town and that my reasons for townreading her are rubbish.

[MariaR]

I bet if Scoty claimed innocent child yall would've still voted her lmfao

[Raskolnikov]

GM 1v1 is super appealing because it's not fun walking into a day with a target on your back. Why not resolve this early?

[Raskolnikov]

Though it is weird I'm phased about this and sotty's been leading lynch most of the game, as PR, and doesn't seem a fraction as concerned.

[Raskolnikov]

@mod VC please?

[BlackVoid]

But I scumread GM more, sotty is a tracker claim, and also GM finally flipping should vindicate me and get people to stop annoying me, whereas even if sotty flips scum your top theory is literally that I'm scum bussing her.

Okay, the first two reasons I can buy. The third one doesn't make sense. If Sotty7 is scum, then we've got a scum flip, we are one step closer to a win and you can push GM then. If she's town, then my bussing theory would no longer apply.

By the way, it wasn't my intention to demotivate you. I tend to make prolonged pushes and not let go when I lock onto someone. If you want to talk about why your GM-case hit alarm bells for me and why I was scumreading you for it rather than GM, I can explain my internal thinking more. I touched on it a bit in my reads list though.

Right now, GM has been sliding down my town-scale a lot so I'm considering that you might have a point there. I still think a Sotty7 flip is pivotal to solidifying my reads. There were three wagons D1. We know GreyICE was town and Victor very likely is too. Sotty7 is the unknown. We know she pushed very hard for the BBT/GreyICE lynch. We know BBT hard-scumread her before replacing out. We know TwoFace wanted her flip really, really badly and winded up dead N1. We know that she investigated her other threat. Hoopla's right that in her place, scum would almost certainly claim PR. All of this tells me Sotty7's flip is integral to figuring out the game and is a very, very likely scumflip. That's where I'm at and that's why I'd really rather not let go of Sotty7.

[Raskolnikov]

By the way, I have not looked at any of GreyICE's reads and I don't know where you got the impression that I did.

Wasn't it you talking about his hoopla read?

[Raskolnikov]

I can see the point about associations though, given she was the major talking point of pretty much the whole game.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Sotty

Okay, I think that's 4 votes then

[Hoopla]

Why are there so many people against the of lynching a PR claim just because it's a PR claim? How exactly do you plan to lynch scum if you're afraid of lynching a PR? That's what scum will almost always claim in situations like these.

Besides, it's highly unlikely a Tracker is going to generate any useful info now if she is indeed truthful.

[Raskolnikov]

Basically for setup spec reasons. If sotty is scum there probably is another pr in that place as masons aren't enough, and they'd likely CC then later.

[Raskolnikov]

It is a dodgy subject for obvious reasons though.

[goodmorning]

Rask you're acting just like 1820 can you just take a step back ffs -_-

Can't be bothered. I could have lurked this day or just stuck on GM vanity style like a stubborn mule, but I go out of my way to reach out and try to get agreement and compromise and people just hate me for it.

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Vote: IAI

BETTER QUICKLYNCH 10/10

With that said, my townread on GM is nowhere near as strong as before. She's more nullish to me now.

Why, what happened for this shift?

i assume i went slightly erratic

but maybe bv has a better reason than that, who knows?

GM finally flipping should vindicate me and get people to stop annoying me,

i have some sad news for you

Why, what happened for this shift?

She told me

she wasn't town and

that my reasons for townreading her are rubbish.

ftfy

and they are fyi

Though it is weird I'm phased about this and sotty's been leading lynch most of the game, as PR, and doesn't seem a fraction as concerned.

different people different playstyles!

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@Hoopla: So when I said "let's lynch Victor, he's Scum" and he said "I'm a Mason," and everyone said, "oh, we shouldn't lynch him then," everyone was wrong?

Nobody's saying we shouldn't lynch PRs ever. They're saying we shouldn't lynch PRs

today

.

[Hoopla]

Basically for setup spec reasons. If sotty is scum there probably is another pr in that place as masons aren't enough, and they'd likely CC then later.

Yeah, there will be one or two other PR's with the masons. But we sort of self-select ourselves into just lynching a VT if we assume scum always claims PR in that spot and we're unwilling to lynch a PR claim. Don't you find it convincing that there are (probably) 3/13 slots she could roll scum and always claim something like this vs. 1-2/13 slots she could roll the remaining town PR(s) and claim this?

[Hoopla]

@Hoopla: So when I said "let's lynch Victor, he's Scum" and he said "I'm a Mason," and everyone said, "oh, we shouldn't lynch him then," everyone was wrong?

Nobody's saying we shouldn't lynch PRs ever. They're saying we shouldn't lynch PRs today.

The difference is Masons are a provable role by linking them with a partner (which we should be doing tomorrow), and can be assessed very accurately from a setup spec perspective. A Tracker claim is never really provable, could be scum aligned or a Mafia Role Cop and is just much harder to evaluate from setup spec as it's a weak-ish investigation role that's existence could go either way if the setup is something like Mason/Mason/Doc or Mason/Mason/Doc/Tracker.

[MariaR]

not lynching gm for 1912 alone.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.10

Raskolnikov (1)

CloudKicker ,

Hoopla (2)

I Am Innocent , Creature ,

Jaack (2)

Sotty7 , MariaR ,

I Am Innocent (1)

goodmorning ,

Sotty7 (4)

Jaack , Hoopla , BlackVoid , Raskolnikov L-2,

Not Voting (1)

VictorDeAngelo ,

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

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[I Am Innocent]

unvote hoopla
Vote sotty

L-1

[Raskolnikov]

I like the GM turn from me to IAI vanity and barely saying anything about sotty despite it being literally the biggest point of interest.

[Raskolnikov]

Just to be clear it's actually completely garbage and you couldn't ignore the elephant in the room anymore if you tried. Apparently because "I don't try to read wagons in progress. Or at all." is a real thing.

Ordinarily I'd at least get a not-partner tell here from the switch to vanity instead of cw-ing, but she voted me just earlier when I was starting to look promising, in 180 to her earlier "just looks really town" read (apparently solely because I suggested lynching maria).

[MariaR]

I hate you all zzz

[goodmorning]

@hoopla: i'm not saying it's very provable

i'm saying it's dumb to lynch her today

potential gains greatly outweigh potential losses

what.

I like the GM turn from me to IAI vanity and barely saying anything about sotty despite it being literally the biggest point of interest.

i already said the wagon was bad when it originally formed, so much so that it scared me off of it which almost never happens

currently i'm arguing against lynching pr claims day of claim, idk who else you think that means

what more do you actually want me to say???? if you're town this is just a stupid amount of confbias.

also: OMGUS looks scummy. who knew?????????????????

[Raskolnikov]

It's always the same with you. "Wagon is bad", "shouldn't lynch claim". Pretty much nothing on ALIGNMENT. An OPINION. You don't actually have a stance on a deeper level.

[goodmorning]

well no, i don't

because i scumread sotty but the wagon on her is literally the worst


so i don't really know




but we shouldn't lynch a fucking pr claim day of

[mhsmith0]

aronagrundy Replaces VictorDeangelo effective immediately.