NY 198: Nexus is Now a New Normal Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: Aeronaut

For voting my scumbuddy Transcend.

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great, so this game is full of bad players

everyone sheep me on aeronaut, it's the optimal strategy, thanks

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^ agree zulfy's post is yuck

@twoface: is that misrep scummy?

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actually you should probably define how he's not playing the game since you're the one throwing the shade here, but keep being cute and you're getting lynched

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VOTE: Zulfy

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more zulfy votes please

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also i can policy lynch Gamma Emerald literally any time - his posts usually so long-winded and numerous, plus he likes to think of himself as being good at the game or something which is a rly nauseating combo and i literally can't be bothered ever trying to sort his slot. if anyone thinks he's scum we can speedlynch ok

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lynchpool so far:

KTS
Zulfy
Gamma

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^ agree zulfy's post is yuck

@twoface: is that misrep scummy?

Too early to tell. But just cause I'm not playing the way he would like me to doesn't mean I'm not playing the game.

i agree, he's throwing shitty shade - vote him with me, thanks

@p-edit: meta is good if you're me, it's bad if you're anyone not me

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more zulfy votes please, this is optimal town strategy. play optimal town strategy with me. ta

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also i can policy lynch Gamma Emerald literally any time - his posts usually so long-winded and numerous, plus he likes to think of himself as being good at the game or something which is a rly nauseating combo and i literally can't be bothered ever trying to sort his slot. if anyone thinks he's scum we can speedlynch ok

sure agreed.

@vert, nothing, but i don't like stopping entire accusations because of meta.

@rb, so basically the people that disagree with you/policy? i wonder if it's because i've exposed you as scum.

you're generally very insistent on trolling and not really trying as either alignment, plus i've never seen you be useful as town since you generally just townbeard or derptunnel on a town who 'scumslipped' because you're busy confbiasing.

so as far as i'm concerned you either sheep me or you can die because when you have original thoughts ur awful

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telling someone they're playing shit is just as useless as the someone playing shit, get over it

is twoface scum or is he shit, the other stuff is irrelevant

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VOTE: TwoFace

kts, zulfy and rb are all town

aeronaut is still a scumfuck

lil uzi vert can also have some rope, but not now.

see ya in 3 pages gamers.

vote zulfy thanks

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zulfy's game has been as baseless as he accuses yours of being and he's determined to throw as much shade as possible early game + his RVS feels fake as fuck

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i think ur talking to the wrong person tbh since i never said i suppose anything

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just gonna prod-dodge until obvscum zulfy is dead tbh

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when u guys are ready to sheep me let me know

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The lesson we learned tonight is that arguing on the internet is an invalid form of playing this game but a form of playing this game nonetheless.

Seems like you're acknowledging you made a lot of noise that led nowhere. You sound defeated.

vote zulfy with me already my god

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VOTE: Uzi vert

Also agree that zulfy's posts so far have been weird

this is such a shit vote w0w

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meta-read that kraska is probably scum this game, cbf explaining - when zulfy flips scum and u no longer doubt i'm town we can kill kraska

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kraska's entire scumgame is just to act cutesy so that all the men in the game don't wanna lynch her becoz it hurts their chances of having teh sexes chat with her, ergo she's scum now because lOl bIG wrItinG im So QUiRkYYyYy DOnt hurt ME guyZZZ

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srry cant sheep you until you change ur zulfy read because it's garbage.

it's garbage because zulfy's a trashcan that we need to dumpster asap

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i know kraska outside of forum and my meta on her is infallible

kraska ur cute like a trainwreck

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[quote="In post 131is it Newbie 1739 where I pegged both scum at one point?[/quote]

this is what makes u so nauseating, u assume a number of things here that actually i give zero fucks about:

1. i dont even know what newbie 1739 was or who was in it, but i guess it was a game i played with u
2. ur not remotely good enough for me to be scared of u, there's exactly 4 players on this site who i think can actually get me lynched, ur not one of those 4
3. u just cant help but point out how u 'pegged both scum' at one point, as if that's a fkn achievement. did u lead the lynch on them both? no. stfu, no one cares

sadly gamma is probably town and i'll have to listen to this all game

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The lesson we learned tonight is that arguing on the internet is an invalid form of playing this game but a form of playing this game nonetheless.

Seems like you're acknowledging you made a lot of noise that led nowhere. You sound defeated.

vote zulfy with me already my god

I'm not SR at the moment. To be honest, that try hard vote on TF while bad, did get us out of RVS very quickly and I don't think scum would purposefully try to get the town out of that stage as quickly as we did.

i force games out of RVS as scum for that exact reason - i get to coast for the next 3 days

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im parsing the game accurately, that's all i really care about

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*at this stage, it's all i really care about. everything else is meaningless day1

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sounds like an effort: no

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actually i found 1: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=67428

ez win, posted like never except for in LyLo to secure mislynch

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holy hell what is rb's deal with me
is it Newbie 1739 where I pegged both scum at one point?

Speaking of which: rb you remember the post my sig is quoting?

im guessing it's from the same game, it sounds like something i'd say but i don't really remember it being significant or anything

but im glad u made me a sig

p-edit: @kraska is this the part where u tell every1 to be nice because it makes people like u more so they dont lynch u? already burning all ur ammo so early, what are u gonna use to evade lynches day2?

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I wouldn't say I necessarily LIKE it, I just like it a lot better than Killthestory's

I commented as such to point out to Kts and the rest that such a post was ironic, at least in m view

definitely not a "oooh I like transcend's posts" comment by any stretch

but, to answer the question "What do you like about Transcend's content? Are your reads similar to his?" apart from any of that ^

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not much in the way of content-mattering - I like that it is non-abrasive and to the point, I like that I can see his reads easily enough, I like that he's not playing like some other players in this game (I'm feeling a lot of "quickslaps" going around - mehh, to that) - my reads aren't similar to his at all

I really only have 1 read as of yet anyway, and my vote is there

I'd like more players to say more before the thread gets overrun by madness

"I KNOW EVERYTHING NOWWWWW DARRRRR!!!"

I figured as much.

Could you explain how finding KT's content stinky makes him for sure scum? What's the scum motivation behind testing the waters with TF and opposing a Zulfy lynch so adamantly?

Motivation: Zulfy presents superficially as a stronger player, he wouldn't be an easy lynch whether he was town or scum. As a scumteam it'd be easy for KTS + Zulfy to make a faux townblock and take control of the town. TF on the other hand seems weaker.

Say KTS was scum and both of them were town, it serves 2 purposes:
1. strengthens the divide between 2 town players
2. gets a stronger town on his side and
3. i'm town too, so that creates a 3-way wedge between 2 strong town players, while leaving another mislynch target in play

I'm saving it but I have other reasons for KTS being scum as well.

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no one's for sure scum - stinky content doesn't necessarily make for scum just as good content doesn't make for necessarily town - it's all about the live (seemingly live) dynamic in each specific situation/individual - he seems to be causing more contention than scum-hunting, what scum-hunting is there seems arbitrary and empty, like it's for show like the rest of his content

his motivation is to not allow us to generate any good reads and waste our time and energy on his shite

^ this too

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Also KTS simultaneously has me as one of his top2 wanted lynches, but then he says stuff like in 126

Why?

If he actually scumreads me, why is he then telling me the reason he's not willing to work with me based on my read? If he ACTUALLY scumreads me, he would just not cooperate with me in the first place, he wouldn't need to make up some dumb reason like 'ur reads are bad that's why I don't wanna cooperate with u'

tl;dr KTS is scum

VOTE: KTS

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p-edit: @kraska is this the part where u tell every1 to be nice because it makes people like u more so they dont lynch u? already burning all ur ammo so early, what are u gonna use to evade lynches day2?

Whats up with you? Why are you gettjng your panties in a bunch over nothing?

my panties are unbunched and are you going to contribute anything to the game or just keep commenting on things that aren't relevant to sorting alignments?

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tho would he contradict himself like that really fast as scum or is he just inconsistent town

dunno hes awful as both but that meta crap he claims to have developed that wishy washy tr on me based on is bs anyway bc we have only one completed game together

p-edit: @kraska is this the part where u tell every1 to be nice because it makes people like u more so they dont lynch u? already burning all ur ammo so early, what are u gonna use to evade lynches day2?

Whats up with you? Why are you gettjng your panties in a bunch over nothing?

my panties are unbunched and are you going to contribute anything to the game or just keep commenting on things that aren't relevant to sorting alignments?

says you after needless fuckery like post 127?

no idea what i said in 127 but the difference is im putting out content at a faster rate than anyone else in the game in between my fucking around, ur literally just fucking around

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ooh okay i see what ur talking about - 127 is an accurate description of ur scumplay. it's not fuckery

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anyway the long story short is that u said i'm likely to be town, you also know i have good reads so let's cooperate now.

i don't really care if you're scum or town because you can vote with me and not the other way around, who is scum and why? who is town (don't care why)?

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nah he's not tbh

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@Pine, who do you think is town?

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@Pine, who do you think is town?

Right now? Fucking no one

No one has done anything remotely worth the label

This is what's wrong with this thread so far - kneejerk certainty, unexplained serious votes, and ironclad rhetoric and categorizations based on nothing of note. Then you have the jackasses browbeating anyone who disagrees with them, supported by sheep

Okay so you're a more chill guy and play differently, rather than just rant generally why don't you point out the people who've made contributions or if you don't want to do that, point out what posts you think are scummy.

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I can't yet

People who play like this look scummy no matter what they do, because I normally associate overconfident reads with the informed minority, i.e. scum. But when you've got half the thread making ironclad reads and bold statements three pages in, that's just stupid play. I don't interpret that well. It's going to take some time, and necessitates thinning the herd

Right now the only partial read I have is of you, rb, because you're the only one actually explaining yourself. I've got a

really

weak Townread on you, but that's really mostly that you're the only one making sense and trying to do real analysis. That's easy to fake when you've been given this kind of fodder though, so meh

Okay fair enough.

If I look overconfident it's because I have a track record of picking at least 1 scum on Day 1 and I've picked entire scum teams multiple times as early as Day 2. I literally consider myself a better player than most people. Yes it's arrogant but the number of games I've lost because I started doubting myself and listening to others far outweighs the number of games I'd lose if I just strongarmed everyone into following my reads - so I'm less concerned with how I end up looking by being a dickhead than I am concerned with making sure people are understanding why my reads are what they are.

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And yes, I've been put in situations before where I've been universally (or near universally) townread and trusted to lead a lynch, but I didn't do it because I don't really have the type of personality/drive to lead others. I prefer people think for themselves, but that preference leads to sub-optimal play when I've got the best reads in the game (and I often end up having the best reads in the game).

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but being a bullying asshole is not a valid way to play a social game.

..........what?
Are u sure uve for the right person here? Rb's play is fine and dandy but kts is a "bullying asshole"? Lol is this rb buddying?

stop being a scumfuck

^ this too

Vig shot/Cop read on Kraska please, she's going to play like this all game and slip just far enough under the radar to not get lynched while never actually contributing either. She's good at poking the edges of discussions and turning them into baseless pleasantries, kind of the equivalent of someone who makes everything toxic and anti-fun to have a better scumgame - except this one makes everyone go, "aww sheesh, i know kraska is scum but she's just so adorable!!"

Slot needs to be sorted before Day 2 begins.

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Also a guilty on Kraska is 100% worth a claim - her daygame is deceptively good as scum despite her not actually doing fucking anything. If you get a guilty on her just claim it and we kill her. Don't fuck around.

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I actually disagree transcend. KTS shitposts as either alignment but it's not like this imo.

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meh, it's still day 1 anyway. I have no huge attachment to any particular lynch but obviously want one on someone who I think has a better chance of flipping scum

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kraska...... idk i might actually have trouble reading her this time. she's one of the funniest people on the site tho. those massively large votes made me lulululu

This is why we vig/cop kraska.

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i reread the game:

KTS is pretty town still

uzi vert prob town

drealmerz prob town

gamma PROB town

kraska...... idk i might actually have trouble reading her this time. she's one of the funniest people on the site tho. those massively large votes made me lulululu

shadowstep twoface aeronaut all need some DEATH

i agree with kts that twoface using the misrep card was incredibly cheap.

aero's reaction to rvs was horrible.

shadow_step isn't doing anything useful and i don't think his progression through the game is genuine.

Didn't read Zulfy?

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Zulfy replaced into a towny slot in one of my games and he scummed it up a little bit, but not too much. That about looks like his play right now. He's gonna be a mislynch.

I can't deal with 'this 1 game this person did this thing so yer!!'

disregarded

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i also forgot this was a large and not a mini. there's gonna be a fucking SK. FUCK

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scumpile

: kraskanumbers, twoface, shadow_step, aero, drealmerz7

eh

: pine (too emotional but could be town driven), zach, gamma (lean town but not enough to put in a townpile), LUV

u haven't posted yet

: jarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjar

townpile

: kts (for now), dave, zulfy

if he's scum i lost

: rb

i have an enormous scumpile and too many eh's and need to work on it lol

This is an activity list tbh

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TwoFace: who's scum and who's town. Top2 of each.

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i guess dave isn't active.

actually how is dave even in ur townpile

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tbh i can support lurker lynches if everyone's gonna keep arguing over town/scumreads when like 5-6 slots are inactive

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^ I've legit never seen a policy lynch either and I actually think they're good. lurkers stop lurking when they see town is srs bznz about lynching their asses

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and i've regretted not policy lynching a couple times when some lurkerscumfuck or someone just trolling nonstop won the game as scum because no one wanted to 'policy lynch' when actually it's not policy, it's lynching a slot that's having zero pro-town impact on the game and that's as likely to be scum as town regardless of what anyone says. and if it's not, it's the only way people learn to stop being anti-town fucks

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TwoFace: who's scum and who's town. Top2 of each.

Couldn't tell ya. Don't have any reads yet. It's way too early.

wow what a casual

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like i get every read is weak, what ACTUAL reads do you have at this point though? relative to being 10pages in, you can have relatively strong reads. obviously no reads are going to be close to certainty but there's a threshold for scummy or towny play even at this stage of the game. i encourage you to not sit here and talk about the merits of policy lynching and actually vote with intent to kill - im assuming we have 3-5 scum slots, meaning that if you're town there's a 21-33% chance that you'll hit scum by voting naked.

if you have an inkling that someone is scum and you think there's like a 35% or higher chance they'll flip scum - they're a scumread (for this stage of the game) and you should be pressuring and trying to give them a big Murdercock™

ok?

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p-edit: pls don't answer for other people before they do, I have the bad habit of doing this but it's important that ppl give their own reasons for things or it becomes a clusterfuck to sort slots and especially cumbersome when trying to re-read the game with new information (from NK's, flips etc.)

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also ur potentially giving scum an easy out to a question designed to cause a possible slipup

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i reread the game:

KTS is pretty town still

uzi vert prob town

drealmerz prob town

gamma PROB town

kraska...... idk i might actually have trouble reading her this time. she's one of the funniest people on the site tho. those massively large votes made me lulululu

shadowstep twoface aeronaut all need some DEATH

i agree with kts that twoface using the misrep card was incredibly cheap.

aero's reaction to rvs was horrible.

shadow_step isn't doing anything useful and i don't think his progression through the game is genuine.

This game just started, who is doing anything useful?
Not Cramming the thread up with useless bs, which just puts off people from reading it is automatically better.

i dunno, who do YOU think IS doing anything useful?

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going to bed

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like i get every read is weak, what ACTUAL reads do you have at this point though? relative to being 10pages in, you can have relatively strong reads. obviously no reads are going to be close to certainty but there's a threshold for scummy or towny play even at this stage of the game. i encourage you to not sit here and talk about the merits of policy lynching and actually vote with intent to kill - im assuming we have 3-5 scum slots, meaning that if you're town there's a 21-33% chance that you'll hit scum by voting naked.

if you have an inkling that someone is scum and you think there's like a 35% or higher chance they'll flip scum - they're a scumread (for this stage of the game) and you should be pressuring and trying to give them a big Murdercock™

ok?

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p-edit: pls don't answer for other people before they do, I have the bad habit of doing this but it's important that ppl give their own reasons for things or it becomes a clusterfuck to sort slots and especially cumbersome when trying to re-read the game with new information (from NK's, flips etc.)

Who is this directed towards?

anyone who says, 'but it's 2 early 2 have reads dad!!!'

no it isn't, reads happen from page 1 - scumminess and towniness can be high during very early game, relative to how early the game is. i'm tired of people acting like u can't catch scum day 1, it's possible and happens often. make reads, cooperate with people, find town and lynch scum

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the feeling i get when i lynch some super scummy player and they somehow flip town:

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i wanted to play a game but everyone went to bed and now we cant play the game

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good night everyone, see you all tomorrow <3

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Its just a joke to lighten the mood, im barely ever wrong

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ACTUALLY GOING TO BED NOW

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Re: my #352: Unless I'm completely tone deaf and you and Gamma are pals and that's why he's nauseating.


Anyways, I hate the Zulfy scumread. I think people don't get his style. Ofc TwoFace is pushing that lynch LOL with the wackiest reasons.

Come on guys. Zulfy obvtown

I disregard style because:

1. All half-decent players alter style depending on the game
2. It's a lazy excuse for a reason to read someone a certain way, and scum do it often

Find a better reason than "style" to townread Zulfy.

Scum are a part of the group that are townreading Zulfy right now, not sure which ones though.

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Anyone who tries to convince me of someone being scum because of, "i saw these few games and they did this thing so their alignment here is X" is gonna be ignored. I don't give lazy or anti-town play a pass just because, "well thats how this person is!"

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There's not really anything wrong with TF or Pine's early game play.

They lack conclusions and conviction, but anyone who thinks that's the only things that benefit town in the early game is simply wrong. A good early game often comprises mostly of questioning and simply interacting and getting interactions out of people.

People are being lambasted with accusations of being shit - that needs to stop from everyone. If something is scummy, fine. Don't just blanket someone as shit because it's not alignment related.

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Davesaz, reads on KTS, Pine, Aeronaut and Zulfy please.

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Also everyone needs to give me their read on Transcend asap - he shitposts and fucks around too much to be easily readable. Vig shot here if he doesn't change.

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Vig shots are Kraska/Transcend rn.

I think if we can't consolidate on a lynch, we lynch Kraska as well.

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Also everyone needs to give me their read on Transcend asap - he shitposts and fucks around too much to be easily readable. Vig shot here if he doesn't change.

Shitposting and fucking around IS a read. It's useless behavior that doesn't mean anything, especially D1.

I honestly have no idea why all you new players are obsessed with having strong reads on practically everyone right away. Give it time, let your impressions grow gradually. Otherwise, you run a severe risk of accidentally confirmation-biasing yourself when they start to actually show behavior that can actually be analyzed

I don't confbias.

But anyway this would be relevant if I had faith that Transcend would show behaviour that could be easily analyzed later. KTS probably won't either.

Besides, why are you contesting my Transcend comments anyway?

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For what reason are you making excuses for Transcend?

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Everyone share their read on Kraska pls - just say scum or town.

I say scum.

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Besides, why are you contesting my Transcend comments anyway?

For what reason are you making excuses for Transcend?

I'm not. On either count. I have a thoroughly null read on Transcend. He's shitposting, which I don't feel is alignment-indicative.

He has other non shitposts, are those also not alignment indicative? You're thoroughly null because of his shitposts but what about the other posts?

Is his entire ISO null?

P-edit: if you had a gun to your head, pick

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Or are you 'thoroughly null' on kraska too?

Anyone you're not thoroughly null on?

Because if your game is to work by questioning and slowly build reads - fine. But that would entail pressuring and questioning slots and trying to catch them out doing stuff - instead you're engaging in mostly general commentary and not interacting in ways that put you or anyone else under pressure. Why is this?

You made a vote to 'pressure' davesaz, so you obviously understand the point of pressuring - yet you barely apply pressure on anyone? Why?

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Who says I'm leaping to a conclusion? I want to see what each slot thinks of Kraska, so I can use that data to help form a proper conclusion. I asked for people to answer this question because its a question that helps EVERYONE understand alignments better - you have a problem with this and are quick to discredit such a thing - why?

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I don't have a gun to my head. It's early D1, and it doesn't make sense to treat it like LYLO

You're seriously squandering the townpoints you earned. This is the kind of browbeating behavior I didn't tolerate from KTS. My reads are my own, influenced by my own reasoning, and I'll be damned if I let you or anyone else bully me into making decisions I'm not ready to make.

Not all of Transcend's posts are shitposts, but most of them are. Some of the stuff he's done is vaguely scummy, others are vaguely Town. Nothing is distinct yet.

Why is this new generation of mafiascum players so obsessed with leaping to conclusions? It's so...uncivilized

Which of the posts he's made are vaguely scummy?
Which stuff is vaguely town?

Simple post numbers will suffice, you dont need to go to much effort - I'll do the digging.

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"Only scum care what ppl think"

caught u transcend!!!

thats my shitpost quota 4 today

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I think she's laughing at Pine not with him tbh

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Dude, I do not intend to entertain every single inquisition. You want to push your scumread? Make a case, don't get up my ass about me marginally disagreeing with you.

Again, this is the problem with the way this site has apparently been going the last couple of years. It's on you to make your case, not on us to fall in line and automatically agree with it.

I don't go slow and steady, I'm looking for solid leads, and few have cropped up because you and a few other people are monopolizing the game. Gauran-fucking-teed, there are scum using the cover of your ADHD need to spout off three posts to other peoples' one to just lurk along doing nothing.

See the button in the bottom right corner labeled "Activity Overview"? It's just below the page numbers, just above subforum navigation. Pay attention to it. Fully a quarter of the game has fewer than ten posts. I'd be willing to bet hard currency that there's at least one scum within {Shadow_step, Zachstralkita, davesaz, Aeronaut}, maybe two. All because you and a few others can't shut your yap and read what others are doing.

Yes, I'm trying to pressure a lurking opportunist. No, I don't particularly agree with your read, but I also don't particularly disagree with it

Simmer down

Pre-edit: I don't think anything of you, Transcend. I mean, Christ, even you lampshaded your own inability to play it cool, and had a little spazzy meltdown. Start playing the game like a grown-up, and I'll develop an opinion of you

Where am I telling you to fall in line with me?

I'm not sure why you're in such a perpetually bad mood for the entirety of this game, but you can drop the "back in my day" shtick.

The weirdest thing is that you talk about my high activity as if it's a bad thing?

Yet here we are and you've narrowed down a pool of likely scum in the lurkers - something that would be impossible if I had only made 8 posts instead of 80.

Also whether you realise it or not, that's the first time I've see you confidently express any kind of opinion on someone's alignment. It's good to have it confirmed that my play is helping people make reads. I won't simmer down either by the way, because I regularly die on Night 1 or 2 if I'm lucky - usually because I was either a near universal townread and not lynchable, or because my reads were accurate.

So I put forward the majority of my effort very early in the game because:

1. I'm very good at early game
2. I often die early which means I need to make the most of early game

I realise I could probably play worse or with less effort early and then live longer, but it doesn't work for my style. I thrive off interaction and make my reads with that - I can't re-read a game and make reads, it just becomes a meaningless blur.

Also, maturity is so fucking overrated. "grownup world" lol pls

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was actually here in 2011 and played a few games with you but i doubt you remember me.

anyways thanks for your opinion.

Did you notice that you asked for his opinion of you outside of your shitposting but all he did was comment on your shitposting?

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its ok ill pick up ur shitposting slack ma boi

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imagine if spiderman and she-hulk had a baby


P-edit:

Yer i think i can just lynch kraska

VOTE: kraska

Pine ur entire issue with everyone is playstyle, not scumminess

You get annoyed at me, transcend and kts and we all have similar styles. I can't take you that seriously right now but I think you're town enough so you can do your thing and I'll do mine for now.

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Everyone share their read on Kraska pls - just say scum or town.

I say scum.

Who says I'm leaping to a conclusion? I want to see what each slot thinks of Kraska, so I can use that data to help form a proper conclusion. I asked for people to answer this question because its a question that helps EVERYONE understand alignments better - you have a problem with this and are quick to discredit such a thing - why?

What's your issue with Kraska specifically?

That she's scum.

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But in all seriousness: doesn't make any good discussion, sidesteps coontributing by talking about irrelevant stuff, acts all cutesy and flies under the radar. Hasn't said a thing that could cause a single ripple anywhere. It's scum flying under radar.

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lol stifling the game, who the fuck actually gets upset over people being high activity?

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there's nothing stopping you from interacting with other slots and i barely ever see town players complain about my activity because it's invariably good for forcing people to not lurk - no one likes a low activity game

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ur saying im stifling but u dont want my activity to change - okay.

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are you even saying anything?

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if by stifling you mean sorting slots and forcing people to actually talk and give reasons for things, yes i'm super stifling. I completely stifle people who I think might be scum or who i can't read yet because their reactions tell me what they are

Since i get NK'd very early all the time as town and have yet to ever be lynched as town or scum, i pay 0 attention to how i'm received and all my attention to solving as much game as i can before my likely early death

sorry i dont have the right toolset to act rly cute and seem non-threatening to town and scum alike. My tools are a sledgehammer, chainsaw and a cinderblock with a message taped to it - i let other people use their pussy tools


Analofy game on point 2nite

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u greatly overestimate my seriousness which is understandable i guess but im not half as intense or controlling as u seem to think

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i mean shit look @ my signature, does that seem like the mark of someone who is srs bznz? I cooperate with my townreads, i pressure my scumreads

Ur a scumread, ur not enjoying this game - im doing it right

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not that i aim to ruin someones enjoyment, i mean purely in the context of making someone feel pressured as scum :^)

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ALSO transcend said he was gonna stop shitposting so i havw to take up the mantle, ok going to bed now - u have about 14 hrs of "unstifled" game to play with, but u didnt do snything last time i went to sleep+work so i rly have no idea what ur point is - ur not even playing the game anyway

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Gnite town

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like i understand rb is super wary of me after cowboybebop but i dont understand what ure doing at all

That game lasted 1 day and had 30 players before it was ruined by someone and all I did was shitpost. I didn't even care about your slot and that game has nothing to do with this one.

I'm not "wary" of you, you're just being scum and posts like this solidify it as well. You're still giving zero content and have actually done nothing much other than complain about my play and grossly exaggerate my "stiflingness" and "attitude"- despite the fact you're townreading me.

Flashwagon on kraska, this day is complete. She is confscum.

Gamma, vote kraska with me.

JarJar your scumread on me made me actually laugh irl, now vote kraska with me.

P-edit: Uzi is town

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Uzi, Gamma, vote Kraska

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Who did I shadethrow?
Also I went nowhere with the vote because I have no appreciable scum read yet and pines still weird. Maybe if rb would stop stifling the thread it might go somewhere

k kraska can be lynched

SAY IT WIT' YO CHEST



(Vote)

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Hey Zach I can understand your concerns but rest assured I'm a great scumhunter on Day1 and there's like a 75% chance Kraska is scum, which is great odds for Day 1.

Vote Kraska with me buddO

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Make your case on Kraska. All I'm seeing so far is shitposting

Seriously, just calling someone scum isn't enough. Tell me why

sorry its only day 1 so i dont have opinions yet

I told you before our playstyles are wildly different and I don't see benefit in us trying to get along right now, but I think you're town. You can do your thing and I'll do mine.

I'm not sure how you conveniently skim over the number of posts where I've pointed out her total lack of effort to solve the game relative to activity, multiple bad posts she's made and incessant whining about her only townread (totally absurd).

If you don't wanna vote with me that's fine but at least read my ISO before you ask already answered questions.

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Also you can feel free to meta read me, I haven't once cased a single person in the entirety of my 15 or so games here - a read can usually be summed up in 3-6 succinct sentences.

Cases are for scum to make for towncred on their 'effort'. As town I'd rather spend more time trying to foster an atmosphere of cooperation and get a really strong townblocl together that can Murdercock scum.

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Catch up to the current gamestate please.

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Note that I'm posting a fuckton, but if you read my ISO you'll see that I pressured Pine about why he wasn't doing that.

You can also note that I never said Pine WAS doing of those things, but I expected him to start and when he didn't - I asked him why and pressured him.

It's time2vote Kraska JarJar

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I did like ur post where u caught Pine's rly bad logic but I think that's just Pine's rly bad logic. I can actually see why you think Pine+Me are a scumteam JarJar but we aren't.

Imagine I'm town, you'll see kraska is skuM.

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So anyway I also disliked the fact that I was Pine's only townread and, like Kraska, he wants to apparently not cooperate and only complain about his only townread.

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JarJar stop confbiasing.

That post is NOT me saying that Pine is doing that, I'm commenting on a difference between styles and I hammered Pine on why he wasn't questioning people like 2-3 pages after that post.

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Or are you 'thoroughly null' on kraska too?

Anyone you're not thoroughly null on?

Because if your game is to work by questioning and slowly build reads - fine. But that would entail pressuring and questioning slots and trying to catch them out doing stuff - instead you're engaging in mostly general commentary and not interacting in ways that put you or anyone else under pressure. Why is this?

You made a vote to 'pressure' davesaz, so you obviously understand the point of pressuring - yet you barely apply pressure on anyone? Why?

^ I have been calling out Pine on his lack of doing that for like 2 pages lmao

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RB, I'd rather wait until kraska gets back from vla. And I have no issue with the lynch really. If you're right we get 1 scum. If you're wrong you don't hold yourself to the same esteem next time.

VOTE: RB Sorry Trans, I think ur wrong here

PS: please don't fakeclaim mason w

/ RB.

This really needs to be stressed here..

Tbh I hold myself to the same esteem (if not higher) always because I'm rarely wrong about many reads in one game. When it comes to slots that I genuinely want to push to a lynch and not just pressure, I'm very rarely wrong.

It makes no sense to start doubting your reads when you have empirically good reads just because of one mislynch. Happens to everyone, not sure why you'd offer this as game advice.

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RB, I'd rather wait until kraska gets back from vla. And I have no issue with the lynch really. If you're right we get 1 scum. If you're wrong you don't hold yourself to the same esteem next time.

VOTE: RB Sorry Trans, I think ur wrong here

PS: please don't fakeclaim mason w

/ RB.

This really needs to be stressed here..

Waiting is dumb, this is what kraska does - she coasts out of pressure every. Single. Time.

Not saying the VLA is fake but in 4 days ppl will probably be agonizing over some other trivial development about the "grownup world" - we have like 8 people who think Kraska is likely scum and hate her posts. In my experience when THAT many people think a slot is off it's a decent scumtell as well.

Even JarJar thinks she's likely scum, but votes me because he seems to wanna put meanings behind my words that aren't there instead.

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Where am I defending Pine?

You're misunderstanding a general comment on different playstyles where I used 2Face and Pine as examples to me actually talking explicitly about Pine. This thread was having lots of people base reads on what ultimately amounted to playstyle and I wanted to bridge the gap so that we could work better together instead of berating one another for usage of 'lol'

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Being town, this push from JarJar is fishy as fuck to me. If I flip town kraska is likely scum? So lynch me and springboard off my enthusiasm for Kraska lynch to lynch her as well.

If I'm wrong about kraska that'd be bad. Gonna re-evaluate here.

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Then again I'm not getting lynched today so who cares

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lol can u stop capslocking its so pointless

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anyway you seem either really intent on confbiasing like fucking mad or you're just scum and im not interested in either continuing a debate of you making up shit that's not true and telling me the intended meaning behind my own posts, nor arguing with some scumbucket deliberately trying to irritate and distract me

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anyway you seem either really intent on confbiasing like fucking mad or you're just scum and im not interested in either continuing a debate of you making up shit that's not true and telling me the intended meaning behind my own posts, nor arguing with some scumbucket deliberately trying to irritate and distract me

Why not just address the points I made?

I did, Uzi actually explained it fine. Your initial point and the basis of all your steam is you just not comprehending properly or deliberately being obtuse. Until you get past that point we're not having productive discussion

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@Uxi I have literally never been lynched in 15+ games so yes, I have confidence in me not being lynched.

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Read on kraska drealmerz?

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@Uxi I have literally never been lynched in 15+ games so yes, I have confidence in me not being lynched.

Me too. And the last time I announced it in game I was scum.

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town because?

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tbh i can understand ppl wanting me to tone it down but every time i dont lead town the lynch outcomes are worse than if i lead town, it makes zero sense for me to acquiesce to other people's lynches

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doing plenty of that already

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fuck me its like you cant vote for a scumread unless the person leading the lynch agrees with your sensibilities or something. We're playing a game of lynching scum, npt a popularity contest

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thoroughly uninterested in this game now, voting wherever transcend votes

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gonna be fucking hilarious when kraska flips scum but ppl cant see it because shes so nice to everyone

makes me wanna vomit

p-edit: except barely anyone else is making pushes off their own reads

i guess playing with absurdly long 14day deadline all the time has made ppl slower than a fucking turtle

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You're actually just projecting ypur own inability to focus on the important parts of the game right now

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Cool I'm in one of those games where people parade around about logic and cases when they're not even capable of being logical in the first place. Sigh.

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drealmerz: do u not see me working with transcend?

do you not see me agreeing to disagree with pine instead of continuing the fights?

do you not see me trying to direct people away from debating things and arguing over playstyles?

i post a lot because i die early and i learned on 24hr deadlines + activity is good for town. its not on me if people cant read and find whats relevant to the game - i dont lessen activity to make the game easier on lurkers

At the same time i dont demand my own activity levels of other ppl so its not like im having unreasonably high expectations

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no, I'm trying to help you see that it is harder to focus on the meat when you're spouting off on 20 posts a page cluttering everything and saying jack-shit

thats some brutal fucking discrediting there

I guess you arent actually reading if you think im saying 'jack shit'

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and like i said, you're projecting your own inability to parse an active game onto others. theres nothing stopping you from understanding the game except your own limitations.

if you are too focussed on me, then focus on the rest of the game instead. you're actually the distracted one here, not me

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its not unrealistic, 14day deadline is absurdly long.

most places use a 48-72hr deadline and yes i understand that isnt how it is here, but my point is there is already a metric FUCKTON of information to go off and get a good lynch

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gonna be fucking hilarious when kraska flips scum but ppl cant see it because shes so nice to everyone

makes me wanna vomit

p-edit: except barely anyone else is making pushes off their own reads

i guess playing with absurdly long 14day deadline all the time has made ppl slower than a fucking turtle

no, I'm trying to help you see that it is harder to focus on the meat when you're spouting off on 20 posts a page cluttering everything and saying jack-shit

thats some brutal fucking discrediting there

I guess you arent actually reading if you think im saying 'jack shit'

Quantity over quality pretty much sums your entire iso.

Quantity is a quality in and of itself :^)

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Tbh the sites with ~48 hr deadlines have better town winrates than games here, despite the games here being littered with town PR's. Towns have an awful daygame on this site because everyone's obsessed with LoGikZz and LonG CASeS that they fail to identify the scum or town motivation behind posts, which is an essential part of the game

The most logical player isn't more lilely to be town, logic is a thing people use and it's not alignment indicative. Being slow and deliberate is no more effective than being fast and spotaneous in a game where you're deducing who is being a misleading scumbucket.

And Pine you're really weird because I never suggested this site should change (in fact I even explicitly said I didn't expect it to change) I'm explaining why I be the way I are.

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its not unrealistic, 14day deadline is absurdly long.

most places use a 48-72hr deadline and yes i understand that isnt how it is here, but my point is there is already a metric FUCKTON of information to go off and get a good lynch

go play somewhere else then

Lmao are you just intentionally not understanding?

I'm explaining why I play how I play and that np, I won't be less this or more that - you are an adult and you can play your game however you want. Your error is in assuming that it's my job to be less active to make it easier for people who are less active - it's not.

Learn how to keep up with the game and if it's such a problem, replace out.

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Wait, do you guys seriously think I expect to ACTUALLY get 8 votes on someone super fast and end the day way before deadline?

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You're distracted because of you, not because of me - you have the power to play the game without getting distracted by me, just like many other people are doing now and have done before you.

Adapt, improve and play better. Stop complaining about me.

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Point out the parts that are shit then since there's so many? Should be easy

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Yeah, KTS definitely needs to go. I mean, blatant buddying and reads that are super convenient, writing off everyone who suspects him

Yeah. If KTS and RB are twins, RB is playing the probtown version and KTS the probscum

Phwoar you've basically done a huge 180 from having no reads at all to suddenly being as cut-throat as I am. What happened Pine?

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Is Aero due for a prod?

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I'm kinda liking Uzi as town atm.

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Let's do Shadow's Hypoclaim thing.

Shadow_Step claim first.

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That's okay scum, the dead PT has donuts in it. This thread doesn't. Lynch yourself for free donuts!

~Transcend out~

farewell my friend, it was a pleasure giving Kraska the Murdercock™ together :^)

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VC 1.05

Transcend (1):

Aeronaut

Aeronaut (1):

Shadow_step

Pine (2):

davesaz, Zulfy

davesaz (2):

Pine, Gamma Emerald

kraska77 (8):

rb, Transcend, TwoFace, Lil Uzi Vert, Zachstralkita, Killthestory, kraska77, drealmerz7

rb (1):

JarJarDrinks

Not Voting:

None

With

15

alive,

8

votes to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-11-29 23:15:34).

mod note

kraska77

is on

V/LA

until

November 21

.

Lynchpool: Shadow_step, davesaz, Gamma

That's for most likely scum imo. I think JarJar is town despite his hilariously shit tunnel on me.

3rd party is gonna be hard to find if we have one because they could easily be on the kraska wagon. I actually like Shadow_step for potential 3rd Party because of the hypoclaim shit - that's why I want him to claim first. He needs to make a proper claim and then we get any kind of investigate on him. Whatever the fuck we have to verify it.

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Oh and Aeronaut, fuck that guy.

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Holy crap I'm getting two games confused. Just ignore what I said about hypoplay, it's irrelevant here.

What IS relevant though is that Shadow_step started by voting Aeronaut in RVS, never moved his vote once and acted like he didn't wanna contribute to the game. I believe he didn't have PC access. I believe he doesn't like phoneposting (who the fk does?) but what I don't believe is this:
- he blames it on the phone
- then he says it's because he doesn't wanna cram up the thread with more 'BS'

Lurking scumfuck detected.

VOTE: Shadow_step

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Flashwagon plz, day is over.

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*throws stick for Transcend*

*single tear rolls down cheek as rb remembers that dog is dead*

Neitzche was right, Transcend was left

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Nietzsche* better correct myself b4 some philosohipster gets rly angsty about me mispelling the name of their lord and savior neatScheEe

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it looks like we have no vig/sk/second scumteam actually cos only 1 NK so yeh maybe i should look @ it like that

i agree drealmerz looked like bussing for towncred (kinda) - but i think he's not the player to be concerned about here. shadow_step is coasting up a storm. i've come to like the idea of giving the Murdercock™ to players who find reasons not to play once you've found the first scum, especially if they don't even offer to vote with a townread or something. like you can't contribute much? fine - lend your vote to a townread so you can actually get shit done, not complain about high activity (as if it's a bad thing) and be apathetic about contributing + never make a single useful vote. 2 many strikes, baseball gods dictate we must hit this scum for a homerun

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also even when ur on phone u can read and at least give a few naked reads - that's still useful as u can start comparing reads to one another which shadow most certainly knows is useful information for town post-flip.

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i also can't see you keeping an rvs vote for 28 pages

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i also can't see you keeping an rvs vote for 28 pages

I wasn't bothered at all tbh, I was put off by the amount of crappy posts NAI posts in the thread and stopped reading after a point.

not a single townread to block with? pls

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no one really scumread transcend and he was never gonna get lynched

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scumpile

: kraskanumbers, twoface, shadow_step, aero, drealmerz7

eh

: pine (too emotional but could be town driven), zach, gamma (lean town but not enough to put in a townpile), LUV

u haven't posted yet

: jarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjar

townpile

: kts (for now), dave, zulfy

if he's scum i lost

: rb

i have an enormous scumpile and too many eh's and need to work on it lol

^ could be related to his scumpile, wouldn't surprise me if all the scum were in that pile looking at it now

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or it could be PR fishing by the scum, who knows.

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what's important is that shadow_step is obvscum just like kraskA

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id expect that you'd read at least enough to get like, a single read

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i can see no better lynch than shadow today - this slot isn't going to sort itself with anything less than a flip.

hyper inactive on day1, comes into day2 "hey guyz let's kill the bussing scum!" right after it's suggested by Uzi. okay dood

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When scum is getting lynched, especially early into day 1, they don't know how to act. It's too early to defend and they really don't want to bus in hopes the wagon falls apart. So they sit back and wait but this time it didn't go their way

BS, scum bus all the time.

drealmerz coulda been chainsaw defending kraska, but if he was he left it like REALLY REALLY fucking late and i don't see him doing that and also hammering kraska at the same time. the context of how we played and the stuff he did doesn't make sense

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zach is actually the closest thing to a bussing partner that i'd expect, but i'm not willing to lynch that slot

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id expect that you'd read at least enough to get like, a single read

I was planning on doing it at the weekend, I wasn't expecting a hammer so early.

since you've obviously read something, enough to form reads - who is scum apart from drealmerz. naked VCA is crap. there's a lot of good interactions in this game to parse

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drealmerz coulda been chainsaw defending kraska, but if he was he left it like REALLY REALLY fucking late and i don't see him doing that and also hammering kraska at the same time. the context of how we played and the stuff he did doesn't make sense for him to be scum here imo

EBWOP

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i can see no better lynch than shadow today - this slot isn't going to sort itself with anything less than a flip.

hyper inactive on day1, comes into day2 "hey guyz let's kill the bussing scum!" right after it's suggested by Uzi. okay dood

nice misrep

Dreamerlz whatever that username is needs death tomorrow.

so you didn't read the game @ all but decided to latch onto the easy-target 'policy-lyncher' - even though he policy lynched someone self-voting and giving up, who also flipped scum.

yer, fuck off ur IQ is above 80 so you don't actually believe this is the best play for today

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i'd like to rescind mean remark about intelligence but reiterate shadow_step is being ridiculous about drealmerz.

the thing is, even if u WERE suspicious of him as a scumread, there's no fkn way you'd be so sure that was bussing after that kraska flip to just call for a 'gogogo' on lynching that slot. EVEN IF you thought there was 1 bussing scum on that wagon, that still leaves scum OFF the wagon, likely 2 at least with the number of players and with no NK it's possible we have no SK but it's still possible. town shadow doesn't tunnel vision like this

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since you've obviously read something, enough to form reads - who is scum apart from drealmerz. naked VCA is crap. there's a lot of good interactions in this game to parse

I'll iso kraska later to look for connections.

this is actually even worse - ROFL

you've gone from being sure about drealmerz to looking for other connections just because i said so

G.T.F.O

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tbh shadow is gonna say a bunch of stuff that's gonna lead to a bunch of wifom after he flips scum.

i rly think we should just flashwagon this

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since you've obviously read something, enough to form reads - who is scum apart from drealmerz. naked VCA is crap. there's a lot of good interactions in this game to parse

I'll iso kraska later to look for connections.

kraska made literally no reads the entire game except for townreading me - and then proceeding to discredit me and call me stifling. what connections u gonna make?

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actually at least Pine is probably not on a scumteam with kraska, so there's that

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RB, please stop being a spazzy fuck. You've jizzed out almost two pages of hard-to-read nonsense in barely more than an hour. Christ, chill.

Preedit: Shadow, there's lots of ways to react to someone scumreading you. You're reacting in a scummy manner.

i will jizz out 500000 pages more until we lynch shadow

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im going to bed now anyway, and when i get up i legitimately hope shadow is lynched.

crap day1
crap day2
Transcend NK makes sense if shadow is scum

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other players should learn how to use the vote tags and put the words, "Shadow_step" between them then :^)

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do what please?

ur asking JJD a question not me :/

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because id expect someone with a more reserved playstyle to eventually probe and prod.

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i must be missing what you're trying to get at here. even if he was scum id expect that his style would have him start doing that because scum are trying to look town as well. me expecting that has nothing to do with alignment.

@Zulfy: so you don't think Shadow is scum or a reasonable lynch? How come?

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ok well you guys can chill this day just started

bro just sheep me to victory, shadow is 95% scum

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Who's scum Zulfy?

P-edit: we investigate JJD and kill Shadow today. JJD is half lurking and ys his day1 play was potato-level stuff but town can fuck up. Maybe he really thought i was scum. Investigate/vig.

Zulfy is another investigate/vig.

All the non-commital weirdos are the prime investigative/vig shots.

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anyway i want zulfy's scumreads before i say anything else

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actually Pine had made a bunch of long posts by that point i got annoyed, like at least 10-12. And they contained none of what I was looking for. That isnt premature

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I'm not getting lynched today so I think you should stop being all upset by my style and focus instead on where the scum in the game are

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no i just form reads faster and take action faster than you do

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my whiffs got us a day1 scum lynch, my whiffs are now leading us to a day2 scum lymch. stop complaining. start playing.

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this is cute drealmerz. so are you going to spend all day2 being patronizing and wasting time questioning someone you have no intention of lynching?

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shadow is pretty scummy but you think kts is scummier - how and why?

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how is anyone voting for a slot you admit is really scummy, somehow scummy for doing that? Pls explain.

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eod comment fucking means nothing lol. your vote looked rly shit but in game context was fine because i doubt u were chainsaw defending PLUS towncred hammering like that with Kraska also flipping scum. If kraska flipped town maybe.

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Tl;dr your vote looked scummy af initially but was actually fine when considered how you played and kraska's flip. I think you need some rope eventually, as does Zulfy if Shadow_step flips scum, but it's fine for today.

If shadow has a busser it's probably Gamma btw.

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Oh lol sorry Zulfy I thought you voted someone else. MY BAD. Zulfy is town if Shadow flips teh_scumz

Still a fine cop read just to be certain though.

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Yep, claimtime for shadow.

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I honestly just feel like a flashwagon. I'm super certain he's scum.

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why do you think he said it? what is his motivation for saying it?

oh, c'mon! my vote looks awesome!! WHAM DEAD SCUM!!! I also agree it is likely that they seem annoyed because you were busing them, you see, and you grow more and more scummy as you post!

but, it's Pine's non-hammer that looks shitty to me

ahh, okay claim time from shadow, let's see what he's got...but ummm, this wagon gotta be scummy and a towny because, well, just look at it and the speed and...yeah let's hear the claim...

I need rope? you're crazy...

sorry for lynching all the scum for you dude

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Also how is Pine's non-hammer bad? He scumread kts, myself and also transcend who were all on Kraska's wagon. It makes sense he'd be fishy about the wagon.

The scumreads you've stated so far on day2 drealmerz: KTS, rb, Pine

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I prefer slower days but if it ain't broke don't fix it

tbh I have no issue with slower days either, i use a lot of deadline in a lot of games but my scumreads in this game are very strong and i also have like 5 strong townreads. so i don't feel much need to be all that careful

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Also just gonna say that I dont bus like that day1 as its completely pointless. Bussing is overrated and I much prefer to just control the lynch with good play. There's no way I lynch a scumbuddy like that day1, especially not kraska who is better in lategame and can solo carry a scumteam if needed.

Try harder.

~

P-edit: there are days that should be long and there are days you find scum earlier. if you have a good lynch candidate it's better to lynch it and keep momentum in the town's hands. too many scum use these longass deadline to coast out pressure and towns slowly get demotivated by them too.

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<3 u too, take ur time then

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LOL

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Let's just hammer Shadow. I swear like Gollum on the One Ring he is scum.

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Everyone complains I talk too much but as soon as I stop the game slows to a crawl slower than a one-legged turtle. From now on all complaints about my hyper-activity will be addressed with this one image I'm about to post.