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[Gamma Emerald]

It's not about posting read posts, "and you'll deal with my play until I'm nk'd or lynched *shrug*" is what I take issue with

Still not what you did.

[Joshz]

Call me crazy

My gut is feeling an ep lynch. He's had a couple good wall posts... and that's about it. He's gone for two low risk votes being gamma and Jordan, about and hasn't followed through convincing us to vote them. And seeing as nobody else replied I take it nobody besides mykonian and EP have a scum read on Jordan, further convincing me it was a failed attempt at an easy lynch. I town read ep hard initially and that is also interesting to note, because he's fairly experienced from what I can tell so he'd know how to appear townie and yet after he generated some discussion he disappeared until he next wallpost. Scroll through his iso, there's a ton of fluff and he only starts discussions, not participates for the most part, which removes responsibility.

Been following this but the conversation on myko somewhat died out. I see what you're trying to say about EP's activity, but why don't you think the same of me? I like his iso, he's keeping people talking about their SRs.
I'm on lunch now, will read nadroj after work, but as I was following the game his posts seemed fine. I'll have to look at Maria as well. I didn't feel like she was being too serious but from what Gerry/kraska are saying it sounds like she might be more likely than one of myko/gamma which is where I was thinking a good lynch would be for today.

I still haven't decided if I'm going to make a wallpost about you being scum. I think scum ep is a much more serious threat to the whole game than scum Ssbm would be, and that's even more apparent with how nobody besides me is onto him (if there's anything to be onto of course).

[Joshz]

@ gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Transcend
As much as his copycatting makes me lose it, there's eviler scum to fry.

[Errantparabola]

But like

I can't get over how bad every single vote myk made is.

auhgghghhhhh
I just can't help but feel that mykonian is a bad wagon. I don't know if its some interaction read or just pure gut.
I know what you mean. I see some stuff myko posts and I think to myself "people are definitely going to call him out on that but I just don't feel it."

I'll reword it: I'm 75% sure one of gamma and myko are scum at the least, and it's more likely myko

how does this happen?!?!?!?!
what is it about the game that makes you think "oh man, if it's not this person then it HAS to be this person"
Like, if you're wrong about one read, does the thought that you're maybe focusing on the wrong things ever cross your mind?
you're taking shots at a lot of people but that's it, you don't follow up at all, you say "oh MTD might be scum, oh jordan might be scum" but you're ignoring them COMPLETELY in favor of focusing on myko
considering that you've been talking about information from an interaction lens, this is so incomprehensible to me???

i have feelings about giga right now, I'll look at an ISO there at some point.
i like gerry, and transcend i think.

considering doing a read of some people. maybe the game as a whole.

please don't take this as anything like elitism, or "i'm better than all of you"
but as someone who has played sparsely in the past few months, and someone who rarely plays in opens/newbies/normals even then
i find it deeply, deeply unenjoyable to play with the community that centers around games that are more inviting to new players. its frustrating to look at posts and actions and be like "what is the point of this?" I'm not saying that newer players are worse, because they're not. I'm still a relatively new player by a lot of people's standards. But I'm seeing time and again in this game that so many of you have a fundamentally different viewpoint on mafia and so much of that just looks like a theatrical act.
I am fully willing to admit that maybe, possibly, i'm being lenient on myko because i want to cling to the two people that i like and the only reason that i signed up for this game, and i'm thinking that maybe it was a mistake.

[Errantparabola]

make that three- road kamelot is, of course, awesome, but considering she signed up after i did, her presence in the game did not influence my decision

[Errantparabola]

I'm sorry, I've been unreasonably on edge for a lot of this week, and I let that leak into my posts I think.
I had to restrain myself when responding to you Josh, and I'm sorry because I think I might have come across as more frustrated at you than I should be, because you do seem to be hunting in earnest

[Joshz]

"how does this happen?!?!?!?!
what is it about the game that makes you think "oh man, if it's not this person then it HAS to be this person"
Like, if you're wrong about one read, does the thought that you're maybe focusing on the wrong things ever cross your mind?
you're taking shots at a lot of people but that's it, you don't follow up at all, you say "oh MTD might be scum, oh jordan might be scum" but you're ignoring them COMPLETELY in favor of focusing on myko
considering that you've been talking about information from an interaction lens, this is so incomprehensible to me???"

That isn't what I think. How do you think scum reads work? You find the person you think most likely scum and you vote them. MTD and Jordan both might be scum. Everyone might be scum. There's no point following through if I decide I don't have enough basis for an argument. And in what way am I completely focusing on myko? I already changed my vote off of myko, to you. Taking shots at a lot of people prevents any scum from becoming "lock town" and winning the game while no one's the wiser, and I'm posting a lot of what I am because there's a lot of newer people here that I want to still win for town if I die. Jordan is probably the best example, and I've explained why I think he's the obvious scum push. I don't want scum transcend or scum you or scum myko or scum whatever other experienced player to walk all over newbies because form when I've played tos with newer players in the lobby thst tends to be what happens. I completely agree, I prefer playing with more experienced people, but every site has its own set of everything and I'm still adapting to this site. And to address the question directly: 75% =/= HAS.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.17

Macaroni penguins are known to be the largest single consumer of marine resources among all of the seabirds. Screw you, Planet Earth.

mykonian

(4): Road Kamelot, gigabyteTroubadour, Transcend, ssbm_Kyouko

XnadrojX

(2): Errantparabola, mykonian

MariaR

(2): kraska77, gerryoat

Joshz

(1): MTD

MTD

(1): XnadrojX

Gamma Emerald

(1): MariaR

Errantparabola

(1): Joshz

Not Voting

: Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-11-22 17:06:00)

Notes:

• kraska77 V/LA until 11/16
  
• ssbm_Kyouko has been prodded. He has (expired on 2016-11-16 16:46:00) to make a substantive, game advancing post or he will be replaced.

[XnadrojX]

hmmm 1. Continue lurking 2. Actually be useful

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[XnadrojX]

JK I'm just going to read more from page 13 cuz that's where things get interesting

[XnadrojX]

Skimmed through my opinions so far are still scum MTD

gigabyteTroubadour is Town.

Gamma and mykonian are town lean

[Gamma Emerald]

Skimmed through my opinions so far are still scum MTD

gigabyteTroubadour is Town.

Gamma and mykonian are town lean

Thought on Josh and Maria? They've been pushing a dichotomy of me and mykonian.

[XnadrojX]

Josh is meh.

idk Maria either.

I'm kinda bad at reading and stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

You think both me and mykonian are town and yet haven't formed much of an opinion of the people pushing us specifically?

[MariaR]

Ssbn or gamma lynch let's go

[XnadrojX]

To me people pushing my TRs shouldn't affect how I read them. It's more of the "motives" than "what they do" to me

[MariaR]

To me people pushing my TRs shouldn't affect how I read them. It's more of the "motives" than "what they do" to me

^^^^^^^^^^

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah rereading the whole thread after work has only made me feel more confident in where my vote's at. I do like what myko said about nadroj: "He has it set up so no matter who we lynch he gets off scott free and that bothers me", but despite that I still think that Myko or Gamma flips are the most valuable right now. When I reread the first few pages of the game (specifically the discussion between RK, MTD, and Myko revolving around my post) it looked more like it was Myko trying to manipulate than anything else. Recent talks between Gerry and Maria have been useful for sorting them both.

I've noticed the few people that do out thoughts on me (besides RK) have me in the gray, or even the black but seemingly without reason. I will say that since I haven't checked in in a while and I don't want anyone to misunderstand this, my rereading drastically changed my opinion on RK. I

actually

understand what she was talking about back in 91 about the lexical differences now that I'm not reading it being dead tired. Back then I only sort of felt like I followed.

Also Joshz, is there anything besides the way EP starts, but doesn't participate in discussion that is bothering you about him? I see plenty of direct interaction between him and several players, considering the relatively few posts he's had.

[XnadrojX]

He has it set up so no matter who we lynch he gets off scott free and that bothers me

I don't even know what I did. I kinda suck at Mafia(working on improving rn) so uhhh I'm not meaning to lurk or anything. Just trying not to fluff too much.

[Transcend]

Question:

Why is mykonian wagon dissipating

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Josh likes EP for scum I guess. Looks like a stretch,

[mykonian]

I'm still a relatively new player by a lot of people's standards.

you have some 25 games under your belt, you'll do

I still think that Myko or Gamma flips are the most valuable right now.

Fuck that mate. You lynch to get scum. Not because you just like to lynch. Bring better arguments.

[mykonian]

Ssbn or gamma lynch let's go

Still don't think I've seen a reason why you'd ignore Jordan here. You seem to be avoiding him.

[Joshz]

Question:

Why is mykonian wagon dissipating

I'll come back if it's still the leading wagon before the end of the day