Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

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Wow GreyICE was L-1 since October 27th lol

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Posting my thoughts tomorrow.

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Oh yeah, I was just kidding. I have time.

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Hell though, I doubt I'll have overly strong reads there.

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I was working on this yesterday, but ran out of time. Here are some READS:

FUTURE TOWN BLOC MEMBERS WHO WILL SERVE AS THE BACKBONE (ALONG WITH ME) IN GUIDING THE TOWN:

Michel

- I see him as a voice of reason type who we seem to be lacking in this town (not that everyone else isn't reasonable -- it just seems like everyone is all over the shop and shooting from the hip)

Raskolnikov

- seems to be the most universally read as town player, which will be useful for collective PoE efforts later in the game

TOWNIE BUT A TINGE OF PARAN

OIA:

BlackVoid

- makes good posts, is active and seems like a good townie, but from what I've seen of him, he seems competent enough to be able to fake these things convincingly. Hopefully he is town and can serve as a consultation role to the primary town bloc.

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Maria

- unpredictable, but I'm a sucker for exclamations like

"It's fun to ask why people sr me because it's so much more fun to prove them wrong ^_^"

- I just don't see scum saying stuff like this as often as town

Victor

- has that abrasive town feel about him, but I'm mostly townreading him because of other people's reactions towards him.

LURKERS/NULL/DUNNO:

Jaack

- post some more please

I Am Innocent

- post some more please

Cloudkicker

- hard to get a read on his motivations when he is fresh to MS's metagame. Sometimes he says filler-y/random agreeing posts, but I feel like that's just trying to fit in and act in a way how he thinks is expected of him on this site rather than anything scummy.

SCUMLORDS:

Sotty

- Actually feel like she's closer to null these days, but I have too many townreads and by PoE I think all the scum is in my null/scum section

goodmorning

- If Victor is town, I think it's quite likely that one of goodmorning/twoface are scum jumping in on the dogpile

TwoFace

- see above, probs not scum together tho

BlueBloodedToffee

- Upon reread is my top suspect is BBT. I noticed the same thing BlackVoid did but didn't have enough to post about it, which is why make the declaration that Rask is town, then later in the day start questioning someone else about their Rask townread. Seems like scum making up an arbitrary read early in the game (rather than really believing it as town) then later, just throwing out random filler-y questions as is scum's wont, without really recognising it doesn't make sense from a town perspective.

Might be some partner combos that are unlikely within my scumlords section, so sprinkle in the null/lurkers where appropriate to get the rest of the team.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BBT

Took a look at this list.

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Jaack and IAI lurking? Didn't remember them doing that.

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Also BBT/GI seemed town, though not so strongly.

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Jaack and IAI lurking? Didn't remember them doing that.

in my other games.

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I agree with most of Hoopla's list, I'd say my scumpool is {Victor, Jaack, IAI, Sotty, goodmorning}

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Oh right IAI claimed vigilante.

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Welp idk

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I'll try to read Victor.

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Okay, I don't oppose GI wagon.

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but I actually like the Hoopla and IAI points?

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Hopefully tomorrow I can get better reads.

VOTE: GreyICE

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I already knew my predecessor had his vote on GreyICE.

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Hopefully tomorrow I can get better reads.

VOTE: GreyICE

Did you ever do your victor read like you said you'd do?

Looks town.

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Wanted to see how he would react.

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Also, if you want to push another wagon, I can help you (if it's not on me).

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I still have BBT/GI as "townish"

Victor is a meta read (though the last game he played scum is old, so not accurate).

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I am actually seeing how others are reading him.

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Is a lurker!IAI common?

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Why is that relevant?

Some scum lurk more than they do as town.

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I would've moved my vote to Victor if I wasn't planning to take that reaction test (I was waiting GI to come).

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I don't know whom of these I'd rather lynch.

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I don't think BBT replacing out means anything.

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Okay

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*killed

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That should explain.

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What do you think about 1009?

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Anyone's familiar with GM play?

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Tempted to do a MariaR.

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Jaack probtown

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I think I am seeing lynchbaittown!GM rather than trollweirdscum!GM here.

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Okay that looks fair.

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I want to see who's familiar with how GM plays as town and scum.

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Raskolnikov

goodmorning
Hoopla

Jaack
Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker
I Am Innocent

Sotty7
MariaR

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Though, from the unstriked, I prefer goodmorning the least.

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If you were forced to dayvig one of Hoopla/Sotty7/MariaR, who would you dayvig?

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Okay then

dayvig: Sotty7

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It's an "I forgot" tell

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Hoopla, Sotty7 or MariaR?

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What about Newbie 1546?

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Oh right, she was referencing to Newbie 1479

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If it's 1200, yes, it's who you would dayvig.

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Cloudkicker still town.

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Also, no point in doubtcasting a mason this early.

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Bah, this is taking too long.

VOTE: Sotty7

Joining Hoopla or MariaR if you want.

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Raskolnikov

goodmorning
Hoopla

Jaack
Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker
I Am Innocent

Sotty7
MariaR

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Hoopla: 1009

Sotty7: She didn't do much to be important, I didn't notice she was in the game

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This answer will help me know your alignment

What about Hoopla's and Sotty7's?

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Ok, what about Hoopla? What do you think about 1009?

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Can't tell rn

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idk

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Glad Jaack's still town.

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lol you're strong townreading MariaR.

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Instead of shade casting why don't you do something about it Creature?

Okay you're town.

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Well, I had, but actually you're hard to read.

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^

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Sadly it's something any scum can say.

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Still think GM is town.

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I know.

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Did you look her posts between these two posts?

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Her posts.

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Hell, idk how to explain it, I am getting a different vibe from her.

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If you don't mind, I can setup spec mason.

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Let me count the votes.

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Sotty7 wagon

Sotty7 wagon (also known as town hope wagon) is a wagon designed by town to lynch the scum named Sotty7. It started by BlackVoid in Day 2 and was supported by other players.

Contents [hide]
1 Composition
2 History
3 References
4 External links
Composition[edit]
The wagon is composed of BlackVoid, Jaack, Creature and I Am Innocent. BlackVoid, Jaack and Creature being legitimately members of the town while I Am Innocent about to be one. The all town composition indicates town is actually going into the right direction.

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Fine with Sotty7 + Hoopla

Not sure who's the other scum

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Not sure if GM actually got any scum reads.

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Oh right, GM is hard on Victor.

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Currently at this:

Raskolnikov
goodmorning
Hoopla

Jaack
MichelSableheart Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker

I Am Innocent
Sotty7
MariaR

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Mean't to strike out goodmorning

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Currently at this:

Raskolnikov

goodmorning

Hoopla

Jaack
MichelSableheart Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker

I Am Innocent
Sotty7
MariaR

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What's your opinion on Hoopla?

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I feel like Sotty7 is another MariaR.

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I feel like Sotty7 is another MariaR.

What does that even mean ?

If scum, expect emotional reaction.

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UNVOTE:

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Sotty, what's your opinion on Hoopla?

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I am townreading Cloudkicker though

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Thought I unvoted, but whatever.

VOTE: Hoopla

L-2

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I don't think we should lynch PR claims.

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I don't think scum would vote the tracker that just claimed.

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Also, Sotty7, pretty sure I mentioned Hoopla as one of my scum candidates and justified it.

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Maybe town!Hoopla could've made 692, but I think Hoopla's staying too low right now.

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like scum that don't want to be noticed.

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In fact, Jaack's vote on Sotty7 strikes reckless, like when he attacked a cop-cleared player in Mini 1787.

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Yes, I did there.

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Is Rask still too ridiculous to be scum?

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Bonus points for some good town reads being on it.

Raskolnikov
MariaR

lol

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I am starting to doubt the scumteam is you, MariaR and Raskolnikov so that's a plus.

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Oh right, we have 4 days and 8 hours.

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Does Hoopla usually scumslip and then lurks as town?

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consistency is NOT A TOWN TRAIT

Not a scum trait either.

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Does Hoopla usually scumslip and then lurks as town?

Apparently scum shit bricks when she's town.

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Playstyles exist.

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Oh nice, now we'll talk about why not frequently changing reads is a scum tell.

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Hoopla and MariaR haven't done much to change my reads on them.

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I agree with most of Hoopla's list, I'd say my scumpool is {Victor, Jaack, IAI, Sotty, goodmorning}

Raskolnikov

goodmorning
Hoopla

Jaack
Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker
I Am Innocent

Sotty7
MariaR

Actually I'm not sure if I would consider myself consistent.

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Didn't mean to quote these posts.

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Jaack (4)Raskolnikov , MariaR , CloudKicker , Hoopla L-2 ,

lol this wagon

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I still think scum are in Hoopla, Sotty7, Rask and MariaR, hence why I don't change my reads much.

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Oh right, I wanted to pretend you were town and see the results, but then I ended forgetting about that.

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Grey, you should start scumreading yourself and Jack. I think it might change BlackVoid's mind.

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Did you do your homework?

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IAI is the only read I sheeped from you actually.

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Victor because he's a mason claim (didn't know at the time) and we can catch him when we massclaim incase he's scum.

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Jaack looks reckless, though not sure how he plays scum.

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goodmorning I clearly showed my read progression I think.

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Hoopla because 1009 and now she's lacking presence, I saw somewhere she was terrifying against scum.

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Sotty7 because I think she seemed pretty weak when on the stand (idk how to explain that actually).

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MariaR because she's hard to read.

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And Raskolnikov because I don't feel confident enough to put him as town, and I think he's slightly changing.

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When you feel he can still be scum.

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Story:

Me: Wow that guy must be town
*some thinking*
Me: Okay, maybe he can still be scum
Me: Heh

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What's your opinion on the Jaack wagon?

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Still think consistency is a scum tell?

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From anything.

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Maybe they're scum that decided to townread each other to not look like a scum team.

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and he quickly made a statement that he won't vote the tracker claim.

Would be very awkward to lynch a town PR no matter what it is.

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Creature did you look at jaack meta?

I know he plays somewhere like this as town, not sure as scum.

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I think scum are claiming PR so they can survive until massclaim phase.

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Anyone actually know how I play as town?

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MariaR should know the difference about my townplay and scumplay.

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something smart was the dominant hydra head

Conclusion?

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Meh, I used to be more transparent.

Am I being cautious or reckless?

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this Creature seems very inconsistent and doesn't really know where he stands

goodmoning is accusing me of the opposite.

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I appreciate your effort to try to explain your scumread on me, but you need better than that, something valid like "oh shit I received a scum PM, I'll post like this to not put too much attention into myself" rather than textbook scumplay.

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I wanted to push myself to think you're town. If you are, not sure where you are.

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Wanna know something? I investigated your hydra because I knew your slot would be hard to read and it'd either leave paranoia or you surviving to endgame as scum again.

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This will be another lynch hard to coordinate like some games I played.

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Yeah, our reads are really opposite.

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I'm having this feeling MariaR is gambiting, not sure why.

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The problem of that lynchpool is that it includes mislynching town until scum wins.

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Having the scum team townread each other to make a strong resistance.

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I thought about listening to you, though it doesn't get from my mind that we mislynch and I end up being the mislynch that will give scum the win.

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I feel uneasy about this {MariaR, Sotty7, Hoopla, (Raskolnikov)} townblock and I'll only feel comfortable if I know at least one town there and can trust that town.

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Sell me on Scoty scum cause rn I'm at the point where if Scoty is scum I'm jumping out my window

The claim makes sense the kill doesn't make sense for scum scoty and the track is...okay?

I'd rather wait Sotty7 get nightkilled or be caught during massclaim.

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Creature if I get this right

you don't scumread me I'm just hard to read
do you see how I have an issue with understanding that given your actions toward me this game and how you've called me scum then town then scum now hard to read ?

Question marks being sorted at some point of the game is fundamental.

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Hey creature why do you clear gm again?

Because I think GM is way different to Newbie 1683.

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Not sure.

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MariaR, your scumteam is Jaack, me and who else?

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Did anyone play Dragon Age mafia btw?

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Guess this is how Hoopla plays.

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The only player I didn't mention for town or scum reads was Creature, so lets slap him in the middle.

That means I can now win with town or scum?

Got it.

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Anyone still wants to doubtcast Victor mason claim?

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Hoopla or MariaR?

Take your pick.

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Oh right, arona is the new Victor.

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Unvote, Vote: Jaack

Rask moved to Hoopla so this is L-2

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Does this strike opportunistic or bussic?

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Right now the realistic lynches are probably
Sotty, hoopla, gm, and it looks like me and maybe you.

I think I'd need your support to lynch gm though. If not then it's sotty or hoop.

I don't think you're a realistic lynch today?

Anyway...

do de do doo

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sotty

Will switch back to Jack, or to goodmorning/IAI if need be.

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Unless maria hard defended both partners to the nth degree

Wouldn't exclude this possibility.

Hard defending both partners is so uncommon that town automatically excludes this possibility without taking consideration.

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Also, what do you think about 1806?

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Actually I noticed Jaack voted before, but Hoopla kind of helped this wagon to get momentum.

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If you think there's scum in the Sotty7 wagon, the candidates are Hoopla and Raskolnikov.

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Votecount 2.Final

Raskolnikov (1)

CloudKicker ,

Hoopla (1)

Creature ,

Jaack (2)

Sotty7 , MariaR ,

I Am Innocent (1)

goodmorning ,

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Cloudkicker and goodmorning look bad there.

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Why are you looking at Cloud and Gm when I voted with scoty don't i look the worst?

Your vote there doesn't look bad.

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I think Cloud, GM or Hoopla today is better.

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VOTE: Hoopla

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{Cloud, GM, Hoopla}

As long we don't go after the town in it, we're fine.

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Creature would you be willing to vote gm if a gm bw started

I'll aim for the bw not be on town.

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Actually, who brought up the NKA first again?

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Nightkill Analysis.

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I'm not sure if MariaR is taking the game seriously.

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She keeps saying this isn't how I play town yet she doesn't notice how Hoopla is being different.

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Also, taking another look, I'm also fine with Cloud lynch.

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Cloud + Hoopla makes sense for you?

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I didn't, but I heard scum fear her.

Not sure about MariaR.

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Okay, are you fine with Claudio?

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Yeah, this is prob how he plays scum.

VOTE: Cloudkicker

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Oh hi BlackVoid.

Maybe you should leave your comment on the situation.

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Okay, guess I prefer Cloud over Hoopla right now.

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I doubt any of my scumreads are PRs, tbh.

MariaR - "This is not how town Creature plays, even though he changes his townplay every game and I haven't checked his scumplay"
goodmorning - "Only scum is consistent, town will be all over the place no matter what"
Hoopla - "I'd rather lynch between the players outside the Sotty wagon"

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Have the more widely scumread people like Creature

Mean't to quote this.

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Popcorn massclaim?

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Nvm.

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If we do massclaim I don't think it should be popcorn (someone like maria has wacko reads but could still be town), but rather decided by the common townreads making a list.
Or would just get mason to dictate it, if they're up for it.

I nominated Jaack, BlackVoid and aronagrundy.

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*nominate

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Maybe have just the lynch candidates to claim?

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Yeah, when the game has ended you become a great scum hunter.

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Hey Hoopla I couldn't move my vote from Hoopla because it was night.

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lol

If you say Rask is confbiasing, imagine you.

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Maybe you should see if what Rask is saying is true, I have a lot of games you can check.

Not everyone can fake town meta.

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so why isn't Maria your top suspect?

MariaR is bad.

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Otherwise I wouldn't have coasted to MyLo in The Walking Dead Season Finale mafia.

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He spends a lot of time aimlessly waffling with Maria while others try to determine the lynchpool and what is viable.

Keep saying I wasn't doing anything.

Spoiler:

Currently at this:

Raskolnikov

goodmorning

Hoopla

Jaack
MichelSableheart Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker

I Am Innocent
Sotty7
MariaR

What's your opinion on Hoopla?

Sotty, what's your opinion on Hoopla?

I am townreading Cloudkicker though

I don't think we should lynch PR claims.

I don't think scum would vote the tracker that just claimed.

Maybe town!Hoopla could've made 692, but I think Hoopla's staying too low right now.

like scum that don't want to be noticed.

Must've missed some posts.

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Assuming that every scum plays the same is worse.

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Okay, if Cloud is town and so I am, who's scum?

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UNVOTE:

BV where do you stand right now?

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Say we don't massclaim today, who we lynch?

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Calling aronajaackvoid council.

Who we lynch if not Cloud?

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Coming to a compromise is one thing, but you being a lynch option doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.

I like getting opinions rather than making.

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How well does goodmorning/MariaR fit in as a team?

Decently.

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Was Hoopla's play today better?

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idk, Rask looks different to Newbie 1743, but not very sure.

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Creature and BV will forever be my 2 scumreads

I don't think anyone will listen you that way.

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Still support aronaackvoid council with Rask as an associate.

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And CloudKicker is out for today.

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GM, Hoopla or MariaR.