Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[MariaR]

1. Even though I have some amount of mercy in me, I am a firm believer in Lynch All Liars. I therefore request all town players not to try stupid gambits like fakeclaiming, as those actions are highly likely to significantly hamper my ability to find scum.

Here we go again

[MariaR]

Wait rask is in this game and Cloud YAY

*tackle hugs* (Cloud I'm Sonia I don't think you know me on this alt)

[MariaR]

Already got him in my pocket this is going great.

[MariaR]

Rask is town everyone get off right now.
VOTE: Good morning
Everything they've said is cringy and seems forced to me

[MariaR]

Should I listen to maria?

coinflip

tails

sorry

I demand a reflip

[MariaR]

YAY!

[MariaR]

Jack why do you think talking about dice is risky for scum btw I don't get it

[MariaR]

Jack why do you think talking about dice is risky for scum btw I don't get it

Using dice tags in rvs is the kind of thing that tends to get people on your case, essentially for the reasons michel gave when he voted hoopla. It's sort of like self voting in rvs in that it's liable to get people talking about you early.

I don't think it's a pro-town play, but it rather on the nose for scum.

ehhh I don't really like this reason but so be it.

[MariaR]

Like it's really easy to say just the opposite isn't it...but then again you can say that about EVERY statement in the game idk I just disagree I guess.

[MariaR]

Jaack's not wrong that it draws attention.

Is there some special reason you're not trying to engage with me here?

?????
What the fk gegterg4rg4rt
No I just have nothing to say to you but here:

How do you feel rn
who do you want to vote
who are you scared of at this table

Happy?

[MariaR]

You're voting me but you don't seem interested in genuinely sorting me, is what I'm saying. I was here, it's a great chance to talk to someone you think is scummy in real time, I responded to you in my last post, and you just didn't bother.

Qs:
1.

cringy and... forced

2.

I kind of want to vote Toffee now but I really don't want to forget about Victor. Hmm.

3. I AIN'T 'FRAID OF NO GHOSTS

No, I'm not happy. The fact that you didn't bother reading the last sentence of 112 before you made the post that I had to ask you why you weren't making makes me especially unhappy.

Meh you're right I'm skimming I did read the joke part and I didn't really think I was suppose to answer it just felt dead to me so sorry on that one but if your goal was to be forced and cringey can you please stop cause it's srsly fking up my reads I BOTD time.
UNVOTE:

[MariaR]

I'm having mixed feelings cause the first part of Scotty's post felt like BS but I agree with the BBT read started the bw and when rask towntold knew it wasn't gonna get far and got off rather quick
Of course could just be town who saw the towntell and got off but saying it's a scumread makes me seem smart so!

[MariaR]

Not just you.

I'm having mixed feelings cause the first part of Scotty's post felt like BS but I agree with the BBT read

Tell me more. Mostly how these two thoughts jive with each other

Because I just dislike the first part of your post it rubs me the wrong way but the 2nd part I agree with so weird feeling.

[MariaR]

Oh boy and so it begins this is gonna be fun!
Do you sr me Hoopia I sure hope so

[MariaR]

Oh boy and so it begins this is gonna be fun!
Do you sr me Hoopia I sure hope so

That smells like fear to me!

I don't fear anyone what I smell is a challenge!

[MariaR]

I don't fear anyone what I smell is a challenge!

A solitary vote constitutes a challenge?

Or are you one step ahead of me and smelling the impending votes that are about to rain down upon you for your weird reaction?

I dislike any votes on me.

[MariaR]

It's fun to ask why people sr me because it's so much more fun to prove them wrong ^_^

[MariaR]

Why MariaR? If you think that scum aided the Rask wagon, why vote a player that didn't vote him?

She's a fidgety nervous scumbag already bracing for conflict from a solitary vote. Are you not curious to see what will happen if we give her some more?

The only alignment relating to that wagon I have conviction about is Rask's. If there's one scum on his wagon (the most likely scenario) -- that's still the same ratio of scum:town as off the wagon anyhow. Are you still suspicious of Rask?

Nervous me and me HA ohhh honey you are in for it if you wanna keep going

"Why not rasks vote"
Because it's Rask ^_^

[MariaR]

I think you sr me because you don't understand and that's okay when people don't understand things they try to shift blame to others you're no different

[MariaR]

Why MariaR? If you think that scum aided the Rask wagon, why vote a player that didn't vote him?

She's a fidgety nervous scumbag already bracing for conflict from a solitary vote. Are you not curious to see what will happen if we give her some more?

The only alignment relating to that wagon I have conviction about is Rask's. If there's one scum on his wagon (the most likely scenario) -- that's still the same ratio of scum:town as off the wagon anyhow. Are you still suspicious of Rask?

Nervous me and me HA ohhh honey you are in for it if you wanna keep going

"Why not rasks vote"
Because it's Rask ^_^

Can i be in for it if i keep going ;)

I s2g I will slap you x)

[MariaR]

Are you still suspicious of Rask?

Slightly. The way the wagon formed in a flash and dismantled just as fast piques me and I haven't figured out what it means yet.

I'm skeptical of the townreads on him. Rask's response to the wagon was a bit too textbook-ey for my taste. The *

okay, a wagon formed on me, now to dissect all the votes on it

* reaction looked like it was deliberate and prepared. If he thought you were scummy, he could have just pushed you without analyzing each vote on there including the neutral reads on Sotty7 and TwoFace. It came across like he was trying too hard to present himself as a good townie doing the right thing by "analyzing the wagon."

His actual case on you doesn't make sense to me. He says that you voted him based off of associatives with goodmorning. I re-read your posts and still can't find where you tried to tie Rask to GM so I don't know where that's coming from.

Rask, BBT, and Jaack are all working under the assumption that there is scum on the wagon that needs to be narrowed down. I actually agree with your previous post that there is just as much chance of there being scum off the wagon than on it so I don't get the pseudo-process-of-elimination. I'd prefer actual POE on the whole playerlist when the time comes.

BBT is another player I suspect. He is way too confident in Rask-town while barely even reading his posts. For example, BBT asked Rask who is scum on his wagon

after

Rask had already taken stances on every player on the wagon and singled out you (Hoopla) as the scummiest. The rest of Rask's posts have been a back-and-forth push on you. So, if BBT isn't even reading closely enough to know who Rask's suspicion's are, where's this super-confident townread coming from?

I don't have a read on MariaR yet. She along with Jaack, and Michel seem to be reading Rask's reaction to the wagon as town. On a cursory level I understand why but it's going to take more for me to nail down a read there one way or another.

I tr rask not because a wagon happened but because the few posts made they seem like the town meta that I've played with Rask before. I don't know about the others

[MariaR]

Outting reasons why nulls the meta because it can be used against me in future games so no I won't the goal of that post wasn't for you to get a read on rasks or my alignment It was to explain why I townread rask you're in no right to believe me or do so if you wish.

[MariaR]

Hey Maria, what do you think about my alignment?

What a random question I thought I was a nervous mess wouldn't my opinion on you mean nothing?

[MariaR]

VOTE: Sable Spread out the votes

[MariaR]

Hey Maria, what do you think about my alignment?

What a random question I thought I was a nervous mess wouldn't my opinion on you mean nothing?

humour me!

Well this mess doesn't have a read on you atm so come back later.

[MariaR]

Well that's a lie I do have some type of read on you but I'ma hold my cards to my chest if you don't mind

[MariaR]

Care to share with the class friend~

[MariaR]

oooo I like you.

[MariaR]

If I told you I haven't lost as scum yet would that make you worried?

[MariaR]

As an aside, I don't understand the purpose of Victor and Maria declining to share reads.

The read I won't share is on you that's all.

[MariaR]

If I told you I haven't lost as scum yet would that make you worried?

Not really. Have you ever actually drawn scum?

4 times.

[MariaR]

Maybe a 5th~

[MariaR]

As an aside, I don't understand the purpose of Victor and Maria declining to share reads.

What do you think of the reads I have shared?

If I told you I haven't lost as scum yet would that make you worried?

Not really. Have you ever actually drawn scum?

4 times.

Maybe a 5th~

That's actually quite impressive. Also, you've just raised bar needed to get a townread from me. Congrats.

Wouldn't have it any other way

[MariaR]

Re reading the BBT scum train I take back the sr
I think him getting the wagon going was just wanting to get a wagon going and when Rask became obv town to me he unvoted so if I sr him for that I'd find myself scummy also LMFAO
This semi depends on why he tr rask because we prob have dif reasons but lets see

[MariaR]

The fact victor is only asking things when prompted leaves a bad taste in my mouth
@rask
No the main reason I had a sr on BBT was because I thought that tr was really rushed and I thought he was maf for it but you did town tell so he could've just saw the towntelling himself

[MariaR]

Are you wondering who I'd be willing to vote Rask? Hm good question!

Well I only have 2 people in mind so far but I want more content from these 2 lovely people for now keep doing what you're doing everyone it's impressing me~

[MariaR]

Are you wondering who I'd be willing to vote Rask? Hm good question!

Well I only have 2 people in mind so far but I want more content from these 2 lovely people for now keep doing what you're doing everyone it's impressing me~

Well that and what the fuck was that micheal vote.

Which 2 people?

The Michael vote is just so I could see more names on the voting chart
and what part of I want more content from said 2 people do you not get!

[MariaR]

I'm being vague because I don't want the people who I sr to change there play or act iffy so for now I'm waiting.

[MariaR]

All my vagueness comes with reason Rask!

[MariaR]

i put on vote on ur ass for not outing any reads and criticizing you for other stuff, ofc im implying that i would like you to out some contents.

Well sorry I'm not a mind reader. If you want reads from somebody, ask them for them.

I didn't give any reads on page 3, because I didn't have any to give.

See I thought the tortoise and the hare reference would have cleared things up for you. Since that's an elementary level story.

The tortoise wins the race by going slow and steady.

When I have reads, I'll act on them. Voting me isn't going to make me change how I choose to play.

^

[MariaR]

Sorry I'll work on being less snarky

but I enjoyed that one

VOTE: mariar

Notice me senpai <3 Do you think i am town this game girl wink wink

I can't read you because for once in your life you're not trolling and going srs it's quite scary

[MariaR]

Oh that rask quote shouldn't be in there

[MariaR]

Sonia ill towntell for you if you just finally give me yo snap

...Please stop this

[MariaR]

Sonia ill towntell for you if you just finally give me yo snap

...Please stop this

I dont tr ppl who reject me ;-; are you afraid that we will be so close together i might guess ur alignement ? is that why sonia

And you're back to trolling okay go away were done shoo shoo

[MariaR]

Scum want to be consistant and always try to give more reason behind a read it's more likely for town to be lazy or not be able to back up a read then scum that's just a proven fact

[MariaR]

He didn't explicitly say that. I'm talking about how he was insisting that your 201 doesn't make sense and how he was incredulous that your interpretation was different than his.

Scum have to act like they believe what they are saying. My point is that it doesn't look like an act to me.

See I know what you're saying but can you tell me what you think an act of this would be or can you show me some parts that make it look real cause I'm having a hard time following you

[MariaR]

Scum want to be consistant and always try to give more reason behind a read it's more likely for town to be lazy or not be able to back up a read then scum that's just a proven fact

actually scum usually have a harder time backing up reads because they have to make them up but o k t h e n

That's not the point I'm trying to make I'm saying scum are more likely to try and back up the read.

[MariaR]

you said lazy OR UNABLE.

i don't disagree with the lazy part necessarily but it's more playstyle than anything actually AI but that's kinda long to explain so i was gonna stick to short and pithy.

what I mean by unable is from what I've got a lot more town are willing to say
"It's a gut SR or I won't tell you"
Then scum.

[MariaR]

I forgot you asked me that.
I don't know never played with scum Rask before only town and Rask became fairly obv town within a day in both games.

[MariaR]

I'll catch up later cause I just re read everything but I'm really sleepy and I just skimmed it and it prob went in 1 ear out the other so I'll re read again later

[MariaR]

I don't know whats wrong with me I'm reading but my head is just buzzing all the words are getting scrambled and I prob can't remember what was said on the last page
Someone ask me some questions please

[MariaR]

I don't know whats wrong with me I'm reading but my head is just buzzing all the words are getting scrambled and I prob can't remember what was said on the last page
Someone ask me some questions please

What's your favourite animal?

I love hedgehogs and kittens

[MariaR]

I think all the talk about the wagon on rask itself is really a wild goose chase and talking on it is pointless because it was a RVS wagon trying to think if scum were on the wagon or not is just trying to overthink when there are much more important topics you could be talking about

[MariaR]

I think all the talk about the wagon on rask itself is really a wild goose chase and talking on it is pointless because it was a RVS wagon trying to think if scum were on the wagon or not is just trying to overthink when there are much more important topics you could be talking about

What topics do you think are more important? Cause you could bring them up for discussion you know.

If I had the answer to this question I would've put it in my original post

[MariaR]

#ForevernullMaria

[MariaR]

Jack was one of the 2 people I had a sr on and he hasn't done much to change it I think the fact he tried to look for scum on a RVS wagon pinged me the wrong way mostly because there was nothing to go off on it because it was a RVS wagon
Plus the disagreement we had so!

[MariaR]

When I read that over it sounds like babbling do I need to rephase that

[MariaR]

Jack why do you think talking about dice is risky for scum btw I don't get it

Using dice tags in rvs is the kind of thing that tends to get people on your case, essentially for the reasons michel gave when he voted hoopla. It's sort of like self voting in rvs in that it's liable to get people talking about you early.

I don't think it's a pro-town play, but it rather on the nose for scum.

This

[MariaR]

Allo sonia, why arent you sleeping :3

call me Maria or they'll get confused and Cloud because I don't WANT TOO

[MariaR]

Jack why do you think talking about dice is risky for scum btw I don't get it

Using dice tags in rvs is the kind of thing that tends to get people on your case, essentially for the reasons michel gave when he voted hoopla. It's sort of like self voting in rvs in that it's liable to get people talking about you early.

I don't think it's a pro-town play, but it rather on the nose for scum.

This

Oh ok. I don't find this particularly scummy. Sure, you disagree but why does feel like it's scum play rather than a difference of opinion?

I dislike how it was just "Oh she's prob town for a dice role"
Like??? That just doesn't make sense to me what so ever feels like scum wanting to be seen as progressing rather then town having a srs read

[MariaR]

Do you have any idea what fence sitting is BBT?
I was having Mixed feeling on Scoty because part of his post I agreed with and the other I didn't quite simple.

[MariaR]

I know what fence sitting is - and you did it.

Are you gonna respond to anything else?

That's not fence sitting but okay
and I don't need to because if you were reading the thread you would see I already answered that question before you even asked.
Are you skimming or need to catch up or did you just "miss" the post?

[MariaR]

Re reading the BBT scum train I take back the sr
I think him getting the wagon going was just wanting to get a wagon going and when Rask became obv town to me he unvoted so if I sr him for that I'd find myself scummy also LMFAO
This semi depends on why he tr rask because we prob have dif reasons but lets see

Also the talk on the rask wagon is because I wanted it t end simple is this all you got bbt cause it's weak

[MariaR]

Are you going to respond to anything or continue dodging?

Are you gonna ask a question or continue trying to play smart cause I can do both cupcake

[MariaR]

You call those accusations? You couldn't even toast bread with that heat but if I must answer just to shush you so be it
Let me hop on my comp cause fuck kindle posting

[MariaR]

I re read and you're not really asking me anything you're just throwing Shade at me
the question you DID ask I already answered with a quote
*yawn*
you're boring.

[MariaR]

What a predictably boring response.

Another dodge. I also noticed a change in your tone now that you notice I do have reasons to scum read you and you don't have a response.

Can we lynch Maria now?

You haven't asked me anything to answer sweetheart why don't you try again so I can answer w/e boring question you got.

[MariaR]

I can answer any question you throw at me if I wanted to dodge your question I'd just ignore you
Throw more shade your push is boring and weak

[MariaR]

You can ignore me if you like.

You'll be eating rope by the end of D1.

OOOOOOOOO SCARY
Try me dear you won't be able to fucking touch me
If you would like to put all your questions in 1 post in a nice order for me I'll answer for you!
Otherwise you can just shut it and sit there
my tone is changing you say? HA

[MariaR]

Rask, I'm not getting into a discussion with you when you got your tin-foil hat on.

I'll happily lynch Sotty, I'm just much more confident in Maria flipping scum right now.

PEdit - Look how Maria continues to dodge. You just ISO'd me, you know exactly what needs replying to otherwise you wouldn't be asking for me to quote it.

Look how BBT can't put his questions in a list like I'm asking cause he's either scum or a lazy guy or both!

[MariaR]

You think I'm dodging? Any question you ask I can answer please try me you cocky SOB I will destroy you

[MariaR]

BBT can't give me questions cause he knows I'll disprove every single shade comment he's thrown at me la la la
VOTE: BBT
This vote goes away when you give me my questions~

[MariaR]

Where'd you go BBT WHAT HAPPENED BUDDY
You were just starting to entertain me and you leave!

[MariaR]

I don't know what I need to answer cause you haven't said anything

Throwing shade isn't a question BBT!

[MariaR]

Again, aware this is a wild really out-there theory but thinking of such things is just far more exciting than taking it slow.

I have an out-there theory to top your out-there theory. BBT, Sotty7, and MariaR are all scum. BBT pushing MariaR so he can clear both himself and Sotty7 upon her lynch (she was "buddying" Sotty7) and coast the rest of the game, while also sewing in distancing interactions with Sotty7 in case she gets lynched first. It's out-there but I have a fairly narrow pool of suspects given my six townreads and all three of them are in it.

I do think Jaack has a decent chance of being scum though. He's flown below the radar a lot.

...Holy sh*t I wish I was this smart.

[MariaR]

Notice how I'm asking BBT to just list questions and he's avoiding it like I'm asking him to give me his role pm
This has me in ruins oh sweet jesus I haven't had this much fun in such a long time just fking with a guy

[MariaR]

Maria, I told you to shush whilst you wait for your sentence.

Which will be death by hanging.

What dress should I wear to my hanging.

Anyway to get off the topic of BBT I'd vote Jack and a few others
Won't vote Rask Cloud Sable

[MariaR]

My biggest weakness and something I'm trying to get over is I treat interactions and bussing like gold like if someone busses someone auto tr bam and I forget that it's a thing even if it's something that happens a lot.
I think I need to re read a few people I had as towny based on my sr's cause my brain is in a bit of a mess atm

[MariaR]

@BV Lol, I actually thought about that but it was starting to go too far for even me. I kind of wish you didn't mention that actually.

Yeah, I think I should have waited for them to dig into their stances a bit more but what's done is done.

Sotty7 wagon seems a lot more viable than BBT at this point.

VOTE: Sotty7

To be clear, I actually think it's likely BBT and Sotty7 are partners. The MariaR theory was me just brainstorming although I wouldn't necessarily rule it out.

@MariaR, your vote on BBT ("I'll unvote after you do this specific thing") was very odd. Is this explicit stating that the vote is for pressure normal for you?

No it's the first time I think I've ever done it.

[MariaR]

Omgusy style?
I take offense to that remark >.>

[MariaR]

The last part Is always true! ^_^
I don't have a lack of reads I'm just not outting them lol

[MariaR]

I am very stubborn yes hi that's me Maria
I feel like I should do a reads lists but that's boring
hm

[MariaR]

So you aren't new actually. You're another alt. Why didn't you just say so?

3 mafia and a SK would pass for normal
2 teams of 2 mafia would also pass for normal.

And sorry, not going to believe your denial cause a newbie doesn't talk about balance and such during their first game on site.

P.edit - no you don't have to do a reads list

Cloud isn't an alt he is "New" to the forum game he isn't new to mafia.

[MariaR]

Hey Jaack, what do you think of twoface?

He is scummy enough that I should note it, but I don't feel particularly strongly about much. Sometimes when I read his posts I feel something looks scummy, but I also feel it could be general abrasiveness, 212 being a decent example.

Jack was one of the 2 people I had a sr on and he hasn't done much to change it I think the fact he tried to look for scum on a RVS wagon pinged me the wrong way mostly because there was nothing to go off on it because it was a RVS wagon
Plus the disagreement we had so!

Okay, but what about any of this is scummy?

I think you tried to make a sr on something where I don't think anything was NAI let's see what scum want to do
1) Get towncred
2) Push a wagon
you did both congrats scum points for you

[MariaR]

Wth is with the two face sr?

[MariaR]

I didn't avoid questions he just didn't point them out to me like he should've not my fault ^_^

[MariaR]

holy fking **** I srsly forgot I am innocent was in this game...what else have I been ignoring

[MariaR]

Okay he only made 3 posts nvm I don't feel bad

[MariaR]

I think you tried to make a sr on something where I don't think anything was NAI let's see what scum want to do
1) Get towncred
2) Push a wagon
you did both congrats scum points for you

There are plenty of other people who got reads based on stuff from the early going of the thread. What makes my early read scummy? Also pushing a wagon isn't scummy, it's literally the only way to win as town.

Wth is with the two face sr?

It's not a super strong scumread, but I feel a lot of his posts have not been very good in terms of advancing the game or anything, which is not good for a player with as girthy of an iso.

@Jaack, how was I "parroting" what someone else said in my 323? I don't recall anyone making those points about GM. If they have, go ahead and quote them for me.

I agree that 456 was me agreeing with Rask about Sotty and BBT being scum, potentially together. But if agreeing with someone else is scummy to you, how didn't it affect your read on Hoopla when she said she noticed the same thing I did? Also, I had suspicions of both BBT and Sotty7 much before Rask brought up his theory so I'm not understanding how you interpreted that as parroting Rask.

Why is BBT town?

In the first case I felt you were parroting GM's thoughts on me a little bit, but that might just be because I'm more aware of people talking about me lol. As for the sotty/bbt theory thing, I felt it was kind of strange that you would bring up your own conspiracy theory in response to Rask's.

Really, parroting isn't the right word for what you did now that I'm englishing harder. It's more like you were kind of subtlely pushing along trains of thought I didn't feel were in town's best interest, particularly with the one in 456. I don't see what furthering that kind of paranoia does to help town. That being said, your still in my townreads for the time being for your general body of work.

I feel like BBT-Maria is a town-town thing. I also feel like scum wouldn't spend the vast majority of their time tunnelling when their are under pressure.

Stop using facts against me and just let me sr you

[MariaR]

@Maria: I recall seeing something in the postgame of mini 1814 that you wouldn't have fought with Gerry there the way you did if he wasn't your buddy. Am I misremembering things? Asking because your interactions with BBT here seem somewhat similar to that situation.

No you're right I would've never cursed swear and yelled at someone so harshly unless they were my friend I don't think I'm being mean to BBT more as I am taunting him it's quite fun

[MariaR]

If I'm coming off as mean I'm very sorry I never meant to be mean.
Oh dear

[MariaR]

I guess I'm gonna lurk then.

[MariaR]

I guess I'm gonna lurk then.

did you forget who you were voting or something?

....o I'm still voting BBT
meh
UNVOTE:
STILL DIDN'T GIVE ME MY QUESTIONS

[MariaR]

I should prob pick a wagon but I don't see Jaak or Victor getting lynched
Someone give me a case on Scotty

I don't get the scotty rn but I do get the good morning and BBT ones so

[MariaR]

I need to get a handle on some other people. Who should I start with first? Any suggestions?

How about your reads on jaack and Maria?

Why these 2 in particular?

[MariaR]

Can you guys unvote and let the guy re read without the pressure of votes thank you.

[MariaR]

Wtf is it with the strong victor townreads o-o

pedit: IT'S RUDE YRSYRS5Y5ESY5

[MariaR]

Now regarding myself, I think it's notable that there has been a lot of interest in me as a scum candidate in the past couple of pages, but no one is willing to cast the first vote. Of course now that I say that someone will probably cheekily quote this section and vote me.

I can do that

VOTE: Jaack

[MariaR]

I pref someone take there time to catch up without the pressure of 4-5 votes on them because they can skim and out info in a rushed manner compared to if they take time and out the info in a pace that is good for them

[MariaR]

Wouldn't suggest it because we don't get a lot of info off a IAI lynch compared to others.

[MariaR]

Like even if IAI was a hard sr for me I'd prob try to lynch a leanscumread who posted a lot more just cause we get a lot more to work with.

[MariaR]

I don't know why I'm feeling so opposed to this lynch when I don't townread the slot it's more of a null read

Still think we should give the guy at least a DAY to catch up because no harm done in it

[MariaR]

I don't know why I'm feeling so opposed to this lynch when I don't townread the slot it's more of a null read

Still think we should give the guy at least a DAY to catch up because no harm done in it

You give me your greyice vote today you have my jack vote tomorrow.

A free lol hammer....oooo *Shakes head* NO!
I'm giving this guy a day to catch up!

[MariaR]

Do you have any plans to change that?

As of right now I'm happy with my sotty vote. She's my strongest scumread and has an active wagon on her. I'm going to focus my interests there for the time being.

Are you not concerned about Maria's vote on you?

A bit, at least in the sense that my townread on Maria might be wrong.

I've already addressed her concerns about me and she offered any other reasons to be scumreading me since this 524, where she basically admits that her reasons for scumreading me were less than adequate.

Now since then, others have offered reasons to scumread me (mainly my lack of major postings and my 'voteparking' on sotty) which she hasn't commented on, even just an 'I agree' type of thing.

Okay let me spam the thread even more with an I agree to every single thing said on you.
No in all srs your townread weakens if someone votes you? That's new at least to me talk to me on that
You haven't really done much and everything you have done would be me just parroting about your going UTR and just coasting I have no new comment to add besides the light shade you just threw

[MariaR]

Okay let me spam the thread even more with an I agree to every single thing said on you.
No in all srs your townread weakens if someone votes you? That's new at least to me talk to me on that
You haven't really done much and everything you have done would be me just parroting about your going UTR and just coasting I have no new comment to add besides the light shade you just threw

Well help me clear things up so I can get your train of thought right.

1. In 524, you conceded all your points on me.
2. You unvoted BBT in 551.
3. BlackVoid posted his reasons for scumreading me in 567. As far as I can tell, this is what started the interest in me as a scum choice (Hoopla and GreyIce would soon follow in assert interest in me as scum).
In 572 you expressed a continued interest in me as a scum candidate, but weren't interested in voting me because there was no traction on the wagon.
4. This is where Hoopla and GreyIce, and maybe someone else I don't remember sort of fall in line on the whole "Jaack is under the radar and lurking" deal. GreyIce actually addresses me about things.
5. I address these concerns in 611 and essentially challenge someone to vote me if they are scumreading me.
6. You post 618 without addressing me.
7. You nakedly vote me in 622.
8. You justify it in 642, repeating the idea that I was just coasting.

That section is mostly for my own reference right now, but if there is anything that is incorrect, feel free to correct it.

My first actual question is this: Were you scumreading me between 524 and 567?[/quote] You were right that I didn't think your wagon would go anywhere so I was debating on voting so when I saw "oh this wagon can go somewhere" I voted it number 6 isn't even about you it's about gray I was scumreading you long ago look at post let me go check

[MariaR]

Are you wondering who I'd be willing to vote Rask? Hm good question!

Well I only have 2 people in mind so far but I want more content from these 2 lovely people for now keep doing what you're doing everyone it's impressing me~

this was when I was sring you

[MariaR]

I am aware you had an early scumread on me, I was wondering if you continued to scumread me after 524, when you seemingly gave up on that train as I had addressed your concerns.

My sr on you lessened by a considerable amount I still need to do SOMETHING though and you're the biggest person I sr besides victor I'm at a lack of sr's so just going with what I got.

[MariaR]

My sr on you lessened by a considerable amount I still need to do SOMETHING though and you're the biggest person I sr besides victor I'm at a lack of sr's so just going with what I got.

I don't agree with the vote parking that's just a bit overkill and I don't really sr that the lurking kinda if you count lurking and coasting as the same thing.

[MariaR]

I don't agree with the vote parking that's just a bit overkill and I don't really sr that the lurking kinda if you count lurking and coasting as the same thing.

Okay, moving along.

Why did you neither vote me or attempt to engage me in 572. You say in the post that you don't see my lynch happening, but this was immediately following sotty and BlackVoid discussing me in 566 and 567, so I'm not fully buying that explination.

Because everyone can say this sr ___ but looking at the wagons that were happening (scoty and BBT) I doubted that people would go for you because the 2 main wagons already seemed established already

[MariaR]

Huh, I don't remember maria ever putting this much work into a case as either scum or town before

*Skips around*
Are you proud?

[MariaR]

Because everyone can say this sr ___ but looking at the wagons that were happening (scoty and BBT) I doubted that people would go for you because the 2 main wagons already seemed established already

Okay but why didn't you try to engage me?

uhh does this mean vote you or talk to you (I'ma assume talk)
I normally only talk to people first when I have a question or if I wanna goof I'm not really one to engage people much it's something I need to work on

[MariaR]

uhh does this mean vote you or talk to you (I'ma assume talk)
I normally only talk to people first when I have a question or if I wanna goof I'm not really one to engage people much it's something I need to work on

Okay, whatever...

Last question for now - What changed that made you vote me when you did?

Because you challenged someone and I love challenges so it seemed fitting~

[MariaR]

Hoopia finally gets towny points.

[MariaR]

nghhh to many wall posts I cna say I understand and will remember everything that happened over the last 2 pages but that's a lie

[MariaR]

Wait what.

No.

Unvote

I must sr you now for voting me smh I hope you understand

VOTE: Ice x2

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:

Didn't think anyone else was gonna be up
What's up ^_^

[MariaR]

F is for friends who do stuff together-Aw fine
Do you want to talk to Michael cause you think he's town or just wanna hear what he's gotta say

[MariaR]

I mean I'm always obv town (that's a lie pls mercy)

[MariaR]

I feel the want and urge to sr black but I don't really know why...

[MariaR]

ftr genuinely trying to infuriate someone is a huge scumtell imo

because it's a really anti-town action but you can pretend it's not your fault

Dam I must be the most scummy person ever in your eyes then cause I find that fun

[MariaR]

jack Iai and victor? Maybe BV or grey?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Blah

[MariaR]

ftr genuinely trying to infuriate someone is a huge scumtell imo

because it's a really anti-town action but you can pretend it's not your fault

No one's attempting to infuriate you, your just getting yourself angry because, well, to be honest I don't get what your so angry about. Could it be because I got your number so early?

The fact people townread this **** shocks me behind belief

[MariaR]

Beyond *

[MariaR]

"Is the reason you're making this post because you're scum and I found you out this early in the game?"

WHAT?????????

[MariaR]

That's like If I said

I'm really sad today guys

Person B: Are you sad because I sr you and you're mafia!

[MariaR]

Can you post a list of your reads from town --> scum? Maybe even with scores if you're feeling friendly?

Just from the catchup, for instance ur unvote/contradiction from an earlier stance where you don't like to wait until deadline to get claims would have been a negative point:

Town: Cloud, Hoopla, BlackVoid, Victor, Sotty
Null/Town Lean: Rask, TwoFace, Michel, Maria
Null Scum: GoodMorning
Scum: GreyIce, Jaack

3 of the town reads dropped strong town tells (including yourself), both scum read dropped a early game scum tells in addition to poor posts. Good Morning to did not have one positive post either. BBT was the only of my scum reads to have a good post, and it was for his early vote on the Rask wagon since I saw something there early on. Of course Rask has since been more townie, so that one post doesn't offset the number of bad posts/scum tell that slot dropped.

I saw victor and black in the town slot and stopped reading

[MariaR]

When tf did I unvote jaack-oh yeah
VOTE: Jaack

[MariaR]

Can you post a list of your reads from town --> scum? Maybe even with scores if you're feeling friendly?

Just from the catchup, for instance ur unvote/contradiction from an earlier stance where you don't like to wait until deadline to get claims would have been a negative point:

Town: Cloud, Hoopla, BlackVoid, Victor, Sotty
Null/Town Lean: Rask, TwoFace, Michel, Maria
Null Scum: GoodMorning
Scum: GreyIce, Jaack

3 of the town reads dropped strong town tells (including yourself), both scum read dropped a early game scum tells in addition to poor posts. Good Morning to did not have one positive post either. BBT was the only of my scum reads to have a good post, and it was for his early vote on the Rask wagon since I saw something there early on. Of course Rask has since been more townie, so that one post doesn't offset the number of bad posts/scum tell that slot dropped.

I saw victor and black in the town slot and stopped reading

So you disagree on two reads and discount the whole list?
What do you think about the fact that his two strongest scumreads are GreyIce and Jack who you also want to lynch today?

What type of question is THIS I think that's great? gr8 he's still very wrong.
I feel like you only commented on this because you were 1 of the 2 reads in question.

[MariaR]

EBWODP

So you disagree on two reads and discount the whole list?
What do you think about the fact that his two strongest scumreads are GreyIce and Jack who you also want to lynch today?

What type of question is THIS I think that's great? gr8 he's still very wrong.
I feel like you only commented on this because you were 1 of the 2 reads in question.

Then why dismiss the list so abruptly?

Avoiding the throw back huh? Smooth.
It was just a jab towards him and nothing more I felt like making the comment so I did.

[MariaR]

EBWODP

So you disagree on two reads and discount the whole list?
What do you think about the fact that his two strongest scumreads are GreyIce and Jack who you also want to lynch today?

What type of question is THIS I think that's great? gr8 he's still very wrong.
I feel like you only commented on this because you were 1 of the 2 reads in question.

Then why dismiss the list so abruptly?

Avoiding the throw back huh? Smooth.

What throwback?

It was just a jab towards him and nothing more I felt like making the comment so I did.

So your saying it was just a comment for the sake of making a comment, or am I misinterpreting this?

Yes I just felt like making a comment because I was laughing that he somehow had a tr on you and black so I felt like making the comment.
And you mean the comment I made towards you you don't think is worth commenting on? Okay.

[MariaR]

Yes I just felt like making a comment because I was laughing that he somehow had a tr on you and black so I felt like making the comment.

I was more interested in the fact that you were more concerned that you disagreed with the two weaker scumreads (me and Black) and yet you don't seem to mention on the two stronger scumreads of Grey/Jaack.
And 766 sounds like you discredit the whole list based on two differences rather than a joke. If you were laughing I don't get why. IaI is not the only player townreading either Black or myself, so why is so noteworthy?

And you mean the comment I made towards you you don't think is worth commenting on? Okay.

The 'jab towards him' was a comment made towards me. You've lost me.

He's not noteworthy I'm just not gonna say lol to everyone who tr's u2 I've asked why ppl tr you and they don't answer I just felt like making the comment
I can't tell if you're curious or trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill the 2nd part I am not gonna answer because you should be able to figure out what i meant yourself.

[MariaR]

You get a sr and you get a sr YOU ALL GET FUCKING SR'S!

[MariaR]

You get a sr and you get a sr YOU ALL GET FUCKING SR'S!

While it's a common misconception, town has to work together. If you plan to play the game on your own you're not playing like town, you're playing like a serial killer.

I am a serial killer at heart <3

[MariaR]

Sadly it's a bad way to win. You'll spend a lot of days not getting shot by scum that way, and you won't be shot by them because you're not a threat to them.

*snickers*

[MariaR]

What do you think about his back and forth with Maria when she has her vote on him asking her why she didn't "engage him"?

I'm not sure what are asking. Can you rephrase this?

In other news, I was hoping to get your take on Rask since we see eye to eye on GreyICE/BBT. I think he's the most likely partner. Can you also explain your townread on MariaR?

I'm also curious whether you think I'm missing something so commenting on my reads as a whole would be nice, especially the null reads. I think the third partner to GreyICE and Rask is in there. I just can't figure out who yet.

Reads

Town: Victor, IAI, Sotty7, TwoFace, goodmorning, Jaack, Cloud
Null: Hoopla, MariaR, Michel's slot
Scum: GreyICE, Rask

Talk to me about that Rask sr!

[MariaR]

I'll lynch victor BV or Jaack
I've liked Grey over the past day LET'S GOOOO

[MariaR]

I'll lynch victor BV or Jaack
I've liked Grey over the past day LET'S GOOOO

To add to this he could be scum but I'd feel much better on other wagons

Hold on.

[MariaR]

Black Victor on the same wagon?
Boy just add Jaack and I'll be a party.

[MariaR]

I don't get talking to someone like this and then voting them to l-1 a bit later

It's called trying to further the game through compromise. Perhaps you and your crew sitting on the stale Sotty wagon should try it some time.

I don't see any wagon really going off besides Grey like I don't see anything starting at all

Does that not worry you even a little?

[MariaR]

I mean sure there's been a bit of pull from this wagon but NOTHING else is starting and that seems really odd for scum.

[MariaR]

I don't see any wagon really going off besides Grey like I don't see anything starting at all

Does that not worry you even a little?

It does a little bit. If Grey is town, then I'd expect scum to be in the lurkers/people sitting on stale wagons content with the game state and not willing to put their neck on the line to further the game and put themselves in the limelight. Raskol, goodmorning, TwoFace spring to mind.

What other options do we have at this stage, though?

It's not like we have less than 24 hours or something we have 3 days that's plenty of time to come up with a lynch I think the problem is everyones reads are very spread out
I don't think the jaack wagon is going anywhere today so I['ll go on this one
VOTE: Victor

[MariaR]

I have a question for everyone on the Grey wagon

Why do you think no other wagons have really picked up until now because he's scum and getting bussed? Or it's just hard to vote him and scum are content with losing him?
I don't know the answer and I want to

[MariaR]

brief case there?

brief case there

brief case there

C A S E

I h8 u

[MariaR]

I have a question for everyone on the Grey wagon

Why do you think no other wagons have really picked up until now because he's scum and getting bussed? Or it's just hard to vote him and scum are content with losing him?
I don't know the answer and I want to

He's the counter to sotty who's scum.

Sotty/hoopla I'd bet my life their scum

This was for people ON the wagon!

[MariaR]

hey maria in case I die, I think jaacks town btw. I think you're doing the same thing you did with jake where you just randomly hate certain people

wtgestse4et
I don't hate anyone! ;-;

[MariaR]

Well besides Ira but he's not in this game.

[MariaR]

And? I do what I want and say what I want when I want

I know but you're gi-....sigh

[MariaR]

I don't hate anyone! ;-;

I h8 u

Blatant contradiction, confscum

....
I plea the 5th
This face can't hate anyone anyway!

Spoiler:

[MariaR]

Idk blonde chicks can be head cases. Look at Harley quinn

What about 12 year old blondes (Maria is a child fun fact)

Harley quinn isn't crazy I don't know what could make you think that!

[MariaR]

*Yawn* cheesy answer.
"Scum would've hammered" Scum (at least for the most part) dislike drawing attention to themselves so I think it's unlikely for scum to want to hammer if scum are on the grey wagon prob at the start or middle
An all town wagon lynching scum on D1? I haven't seen that in a long time It's not impossible but hey!

NEXT

[MariaR]

^ needs death

[MariaR]

Like Black is taking my logic and trying to turn it against me when it's very sound proof and a valid question to ask on why no counterwagon is coming up
I don't think scum would want to give up a partner so easily

[MariaR]

Hey, every wagon that crops up in response to our preferred wagon is a scum-driven counterwagon, right? To be fair, we all think like that.

But MariaR wasn't even townreading BBT/GreyICE or pushing another wagon. She's opposing the wagon for the heck of it.

You're dying.

[MariaR]

If I see a lynch that I find better I'm going to push it and the fact there is no counter wagon (ignoring two face for the moment) is a huge sign and the fact you're ignoring it and playing it off is because you can't give a valid answer it's just "well you're trying to turn it against me!"

[MariaR]

You're dying.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to post final thoughts before you use your factional nightkill on me

Would you like the gunshot in the gut or the face?

[MariaR]

Okay friends if you're so smart walk me through this
you're getting close to the deadline and you're mafia.
your partner is at L2 or L3 and is close to getting lynched
WHAT DO YOU DO

[MariaR]

JOIN THE VICTOR WAGON WE HAVE COOKIES AND HARLEY QUINN

[MariaR]

I really need to work on this reading wall posts thing.

[MariaR]

GreyICE is probably my third choice after MariaR and Rask. One thing from Michel that I townread was his saying he was going to look through the game keeping my reads in mind. That could be buddying but asking for help is something I see town do more often. It's weak though and it wouldn't shock me if he was scum. GreyICE flip would help me read Sotty7 better I think.

@Mod,

Cloud unvoted in 815 by the way.

This is 100% mafia

[MariaR]

But he's not. I'd put down actual money on it.

I'd take this bet...

[MariaR]

His reads came out of no where and some don't even make sense...

[MariaR]

Oh no what is this my fingers are randomly typing a vote to lynch I can't stop them

vote gre-

[MariaR]

Final question before I go to bed

Rask why do you townread me it's a simple question but normally you seemed a lot more paranoid about me

@Grey well still got a day or 2 to try and people to flip onto Victor

[MariaR]

Are both wagons going to be at L-1 and the last voter is afk....
I'M CRYING THAT'S AMAZING

[MariaR]

Wait Rask unvoted.... FK

[MariaR]

Oh the lurker claimed vig? That's...no words lol

[MariaR]

oooo someone trying to meta me!
blah blah you can't blah blah self meta blah blah

But feel free to try ^_^

[MariaR]

Ughh wth
guess I should go Iso Blackvoid

[MariaR]

Well that happened

VOTE: BV

[MariaR]

I bet Maria is scum this game.~Firebringer
Na Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game.~Charloux

btw what game is this from?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68564

[MariaR]

Black is scum who did some bs "Let me think on this" and then putting grey back to L-1 scum want to draw as little attention to himself as possible I also think this kill points to BV scum for that scotty vote his weird "what if ___ is scum with ___ is just useless filler to make it look like you're doing something when you do nothing at all

[MariaR]

With TwoFace now being confirmed as town, I think it's worth bringing up sotty-scum again. Yeah, the wagon stalled yesterday, but looking back at that, it's odd that there were two townies (myself and TwoFace) hanging out on that wagon for a good portion of the day, but the wagon failed to gain much traction past that. Neither TwoFace or I were ever really universally townread, so, if sotty were town, it would be a strong opportunity for scum to push that wagon and then let the blame fall on TwoFace, or, more likely, me.

VOTE: Sotty7

At the same time, I could definitely go for an IAI wagon as well.

PEdit: Well what do you know, someone else would like a sotty wagon.

This is also scum for the scoty push

[MariaR]

I don't see why scum scotty kills Two face when two face was the main person going after Scotty it's way to obvious

[MariaR]

Let it also be known I do not believe this mason bs but for now I can't do anything to victor.

[MariaR]

Let it also be known I do not believe this mason bs but for now I can't do anything to victor.

This can stop right now. We're not lynching Victor today, no matter how anyone feels about the mason claim. I don't have the patience for anyone floating the "scum fake claim masons all the time" theroy. It's bullshit.

Who said anything about lynching him.

[MariaR]

Quote where I said I sr BBT or Twoface

[MariaR]

Ohhh okie.

[MariaR]

Alright, let's talk about MariaR. Give me more than "tone and interactions with Jaack." You said the same thing in 902 ("interactions with Jaack and general tone"). What does that really mean? You are going to have to dumb this down for me a bit because it's apparently going over my head.

I think she's scum because of how she reacted to the GreyICE wagon. She never stated a townread on GreyICE. She never stated a strong scumread elsewhere. Just kept going "why isn't anyone bothered by the lack of counterwagon?" Then a Victor wagon comes up and she joins it. It looked like she knew GreyICE was town and was looking to cast doubt on the wagoners by creating artificial "resistance" to the wagon so that the ones of the wagon will push it harder. I touched on this earlier and you agreed with me in 916. Did anything change since then? I think she wanted to set up two town counterwagons so that she has a target for D2 as well.

I don't disagree with anything you said about Rask actually. I want to see where that goes. There were a couple of small things I thought looked town like him telling MariaR that Jaack is town if he dies but nothing that rules him out as scum for me.

See this is BS you're talking my logic that I feel is pretty dam good logic and a good valid reason to talk about and turning it into something that is scummy? I was worried that there was no counter wagon so that's what made me not want to vote Ice and then a victor wagon shows up someone I was scumreading so I jumped on the wagon I don't see how that's a bad idea I wanted to start a wagon because the lack of one had me worried
If I jumped on a wagon I never had a sr on then I'd say that's a valid reason to sus me hell I would to but I did no such thing I want you to show me or talk more on how I knew grey was town
Of course I would've still went for victor if he didn't claim mason and grey died it's not like my sr would've gone away you're acting like it's scummy for me to keep pushing on someone

I feel like you're only play is to sr me because you know I've got you found out and this is a last ditch to go after me
Why are you voting Scotty over me from what I can tell you sr me more then scoty I think you're doing that just because you think scotty is an easier push then me

[MariaR]

Maria -

What's your read on Cloud? You two know each other pretty well by all accounts, does he lurk as scum?

Don't know first time playing with him on a forum game we play chat mafia not forum
his tone seems towny and the way he's acting seems towny from the chat games I play with him that's the majority of my tr

[MariaR]

Need to look at Creature and Hoopia but that'll be hard because I can't see outside of this deathtunnel I am in

[MariaR]

Let's talk Creature I tr scotty and I think hoopia is townlean

What's with those sr's.

[MariaR]

This answer will help me know your alignment

[MariaR]

Hm I didn't remember 10009 thanks for remembering me

Scotty is town. The fact my 2 major sr's are voting it along with the twoface kill is proof enough.

Go into more detail on it if you like though.

[MariaR]

Let me give it a read.

[MariaR]

The tldr of that is that Hoopia has I thought process of "My day 1 will always suck so I don't really need to improve it" and It's bad correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't really seen Hoppia bring that up more then a few times if it was a main defense for Hoopia I would scumread it because that's useless Now I don't know if I understand this fully and I'll prob do another read of that but I think the important thing to look at is the "hyper buddy" that Grey talked about on how Hoopia said my vote was good but did nothing else for it along with saying "You need to vote this with me"
a Hoopia lynch would personally help me a lot with my reads if Hoopia is scum I'll prob have to relook at Jaack and Victor but that's a risk I don't feel like taking with better lyches on the table if I was going to lynch Hoopia it would be a coin flip info lynch for me

[MariaR]

Please do not tell me I just spent 9 minutes looking at a post and giving a wall to someone I find null

[MariaR]

^ Please don't tell me I'm expected to read that.

[MariaR]

Instead of shade casting why don't you do something about it Creature?

[MariaR]

Instead of shade casting why don't you do something about it Creature?

Okay you're town.

nanaanana you do NOT get away from me that easy

Let's talk about the maria sr you "had"

[MariaR]

Okay what pinged you the wrong way about me then there was clearly something.

[MariaR]

I still don't understand the scotty wagon 2 of my big sr's are voting it and that's bias for me the kill doesn't make since for scotty scum either and I never really got the whole case yeah scotty has had a few posts I disagree with but nothing that screams scum to me

talk me through it everyone I have a few ideas if scoty somehow flips scum even if I highly doubt it.

[MariaR]

Is anyone here familiar with Creature and how he plays? Does he just say things without reason and then change his mind without reason?

When I played with town Creature he just posted reads list 24/7 with barely any reason but normally he has one this random change is new to me
(mostly going off of 646 the game)

[MariaR]

It feels like he is waiting for someone to come up to him and say it's okay IAI, you can vote Sotty!

Place your vote, even if it's on me.

I never thought that someone would be you!

vote Sotty

Actually, I spent over an hour tracking all the votes from Day 1 (see spoiler), and then got busy with family stuff. So you can stop with all the "do something already" shade. Your 180 in just a few posts on me stinks, as does you day 1 voting history. I'm pretty sure town Sotty would be mixing it up, you're posts lack the passion I've seen from you in your town games. Sorry you drew scum, maybe we can play again after this game and we can be on the same side.

Spoiler:

Post Date Player Vote Unvote
4 10/19/2016 I Am Innocent BlackVoid
6 10/19/2016 Hoopla goodmorning
8 10/19/2016 goodmorning GreyICE (BBT)
11 10/19/2016 Creature (Michel) Hoopla
17 10/19/2016 Hoopla goodmorning
28 10/19/2016 Hoopla goodmorning
30 10/19/2016 Sotty7 goodmorning
33 10/19/2016 TwoFace CloudKicker
34 10/19/2016 Raskolnikov MariaR
35 10/19/2016 VictorDeAngelo I Am Innocent
37 10/19/2016 Jaack BlackVoid
47 10/19/2016 goodmorning GreyICE (BBT)
47 10/19/2016 goodmorning VictorDeAngelo
56 10/20/2016 BlackVoid Raskolnikov
58 10/20/2016 GreyICE (BBT) Raskolnikov
59 10/20/2016 Sotty7 goodmorning
59 10/20/2016 Sotty7 Raskolnikov
62 10/20/2016 Hoopla goodmorning
62 10/20/2016 Hoopla Raskolnikov
63 10/20/2016 TwoFace CloudKicker
63 10/20/2016 TwoFace Raskolnikov
66 10/20/2016 CloudKicker TwoFace
70 10/20/2016 Raskolnikov MariaR
70 10/20/2016 Raskolnikov Hoopla
77 10/20/2016 Creature (Michel) Hoopla
77 10/20/2016 Creature (Michel) goodmorning
97 10/20/2016 GreyICE (BBT) Raskolnikov
101 10/20/2016 Jaack BlackVoid
101 10/20/2016 Jaack Sotty7
102 10/20/2016 GreyICE (BBT) Sotty7
104 10/20/2016 MariaR goodmorning
107 10/20/2016 TwoFace Raskolnikov
118 10/20/2016 MariaR goodmorning
119 10/20/2016 Sotty7 Raskolnikov
119 10/20/2016 Sotty7 GreyICE (BBT)
127 10/20/2016 Hoopla Raskolnikov
127 10/20/2016 Hoopla MariaR
156 10/21/2016 MariaR Creature (Michel)
158 10/21/2016 BlackVoid Raskolnikov
158 10/21/2016 BlackVoid GreyICE (BBT)
162 10/21/2016 VictorDeAngelo I Am Innocent
162 10/21/2016 VictorDeAngelo GreyICE (BBT)
192 10/21/2016 VictorDeAngelo GreyICE (BBT)
192 10/21/2016 VictorDeAngelo CloudKicker
241 10/21/2016 Raskolnikov Hoopla
241 10/21/2016 Raskolnikov goodmorning
245 10/21/2016 CloudKicker TwoFace
256 10/21/2016 CloudKicker MariaR
276 10/21/2016 Hoopla MariaR
276 10/21/2016 Hoopla Sotty7
293 10/22/2016 VictorDeAngelo CloudKicker
293 10/22/2016 VictorDeAngelo goodmorning
311 10/22/2016 Sotty7 GreyICE (BBT)
311 10/22/2016 Sotty7 TwoFace
339 10/22/2016 TwoFace VictorDeAngelo
373 10/23/2016 CloudKicker MariaR
373 10/23/2016 CloudKicker Creature (Michel)
402 10/23/2016 GreyICE (BBT) Sotty7
402 10/23/2016 GreyICE (BBT) MariaR
445 10/24/2016 Raskolnikov goodmorning
445 10/24/2016 Raskolnikov Sotty7
452 10/24/2016 MariaR Creature (Michel)
452 10/24/2016 MariaR GreyICE (BBT)
464 10/24/2016 BlackVoid GreyICE (BBT)
464 10/24/2016 BlackVoid Sotty7
466 10/24/2016 Sotty7 TwoFace
466 10/24/2016 Sotty7 GreyICE (BBT)
511 10/24/2016 Hoopla Sotty7
511 10/24/2016 Hoopla GreyICE (BBT)
527 10/24/2016 TwoFace VictorDeAngelo
527 10/24/2016 TwoFace Sotty7
551 10/26/2016 MariaR GreyICE (BBT)
555 10/26/2016 Creature (Michel) goodmorning
555 10/26/2016 Creature (Michel) GreyICE (BBT)
565 10/26/2016 BlackVoid Sotty7
565 10/26/2016 BlackVoid goodmorning
592 10/27/2016 BlackVoid goodmorning
592 10/27/2016 BlackVoid GreyICE (BBT)
594 10/27/2016 VictorDeAngelo goodmorning
594 10/27/2016 VictorDeAngelo GreyICE (BBT)
622 10/27/2016 MariaR Jaack
634 10/27/2016 I Am Innocent BlackVoid
634 10/27/2016 I Am Innocent GreyICE (BBT)
671 10/27/2016 Hoopla GreyICE (BBT)
688 10/27/2016 Hoopla Jaack
711 10/28/2016 GreyICE (BBT) MariaR
712 10/28/2016 MariaR Jaack
712 10/28/2016 MariaR GreyICE (BBT)
713 10/28/2016 MariaR GreyICE (BBT)
739 10/28/2016 GreyICE (BBT) VictorDeAngelo
769 10/30/2016 MariaR Jaack
815 10/30/2016 CloudKicker Creature (Michel)
828 10/30/2016 Hoopla Jaack
828 10/30/2016 Hoopla GreyICE (BBT)
857 10/30/2016 MariaR Jaack
857 10/30/2016 MariaR VictorDeAngelo
858 10/30/2016 Raskolnikov Sotty7
858 10/30/2016 Raskolnikov VictorDeAngelo
882 10/31/2016 BlackVoid GreyICE (BBT)
906 10/31/2016 BlackVoid GreyICE (BBT)
942 10/31/2016 Jaack Sotty7
942 10/31/2016 Jaack VictorDeAngelo
967 11/1/2016 Raskolnikov VictorDeAngelo
1057 11/2/2016 Raskolnikov Hoopla
1077 11/2/2016 Raskolnikov Hoopla
1077 11/2/2016 Raskolnikov GreyICE (BBT)

If scum tryhard enough for a win then by all means fucking take it

[MariaR]

Town:

Scoty Rask Cloud

Lean town:

IaI

Null

goodmorning Hoopla

Lean scum:

Creature VictorDeAngelo (only reason he's not in scum is mason)

Scum

:

Jaack BlackVoid

[MariaR]

I should start pushing a wagon on my townreads so that somebody (MariaR) can complain about how bad it is. I'll get to work on that.

Push jack and help me lynch him and I'll townread you for 2 days (assuming you leave me <3)

[MariaR]

I don't think there is something that you can outright label active scummy things like rask just said its' more looking out what does town get from this post compared to scum where's the motivation in the posts made the reason why there's no outright scummy thing is because everyone has a reason (to some extent) on what they post or why they did things it's why you want to hear why they did ___ and you get a bases from it it's just mafia 101

[MariaR]

I don't think if Mason is a fakeclaim common should be what were focusing on I think we should focus on would scum victor fake claim it in that spot to buy a few days and get a ml in knowing grey was town

[MariaR]

Hello it is I maria here and defending Scotty

[MariaR]

lol you mean ate? This is how we roll on em, MariaR is really good at ate'ing but i can read her pretty easily if shes cornered

ooooo What's your read on me this game then Cloudy boy

[MariaR]

I feel like Sotty7 is another MariaR.

I DON'T ALWAYS ATE AS SCUM CREATURE I S2G I'LL PUNCH YOU