In post 2173, nn30 wrote:@Gamma - when did Dier become a town read and why?
When I stopped believing me and PP weren't behaving like buddies. However, I've never admitted this yet because of the implications it would cause.
What changed things was me claiming. Before, I felt I had to keep the pressure on as me saying he had a point was bad. Now that I've claimed, I can admit to understanding his logic without implicating myself.
I had been townreading him before the claim, but I didn't say so because I would have had to explain that I understood him. And I haven't said so until now because I was never asked.
Hopefully this is clear. If you have question just ask.
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In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Lynch within in boring, Grendal, Penguin, and Shadow or if not lynch Zoro because that's where my vote is going to be parked on.
This isn't even the correct version of Gamma's plan.
Gamma's "outside LUV / Zoro" grouping is myself, Grendel, PP, Prism, and Boring. He specifically said to leave out the likely town Shadow.
In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Lynch within in boring, Grendal, Penguin, and Shadow or if not lynch Zoro because that's where my vote is going to be parked on.
This isn't even the correct version of Gamma's plan.
Gamma's "outside LUV / Zoro" grouping is myself, Grendel, PP, Prism, and Boring. He specifically said to leave out the likely town Shadow.
In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Even if they were, he is implying that I couldn't have him as null because I plagiarized him. Does that make sense to anyone else? Why couldn't I have had him as null because I liked this thoughts on boring? How does giving thoughts on boring make one worthy of a town read?
Was I just null though?
In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why couldn't I have had him as null because I liked this thoughts on boring? How does giving thoughts on boring make one worthy of a town read?
I fail to see how as town you still vehemently insist that that thought was original even when a glance makes it obvious you were influenced in some way. Not even the only reason I'm voting you anyway.
In post 2170, Gamma Emerald wrote:The thing is, I rephrased it in a way that doesn't directly implicate boring, and then she agreed.
The thing is, I didn't understand what he was saying, and you explained. I didn't see any implication in his statement because I didn't understand his statement.
Honestly, I think Prism's copy-cat thing seems a little petty to be the main issue leading to a primary scum read. I've thought LUV was scum most of the game thus far, and I've been glad for the company on his wagon, but I wish Prism was a little less near-sighted with his reasoning.
Gamma - can you link me to when LUV got mislynched previously? I remember you saying something about it happening in the last game you were in with him.
Uhh, you guys totally spent the last three pages jumping at shadows. Scum want to claim a strong PR that isn't directly provable to deter potential lynches for the purpose of survival.
The cop had claimed, so the next logical step is to grab onto a protective role.
I believe the claim from Zoronos with a fair degree of certainty (it makes him at least as likely to be Town as Shadow_step).
I disbelieve the claim from Lil Uzi Vert for a few reasons. First, as Zoronos becomes more likely to be Town, my confidence in POE from earlier increases, which makes Lil Uzi Vert more likely to be Mafia at baseline. Second, the vote for Zoronos makes more sense from a Mafia player who claimed Doctor than from an actual Town Doctor (the latter has little reason to suspect that a Mafia player wants him lynched immediately rather than killed by Night, particularly at the cost of countering the claim).
I could think of two potential reasons to leave Lil Uzi Vert alive. First, if if Lil Uzi Vert is actually a Town Doctor, it would potentially allow Gamma Emerald another action. However, I'm inclined to think that the combination of Doctor and Cop, besides being rare, would likely have a Mafia role to counter this interaction. Therefore I think that this is not a good reason to leave Lil Uzi Vert alive. It does open one other long shot; if we lynch a player who flips with a role like Mafia Strongman or Mafia Roleblocker, the Doctor claim would be much more believable.
CUT: I hadn't factored in the Ascetic roles, which I suppose would be a weak version of a Strongman kill (allows the Mafia to kill certain players regardless of protection, but isn't much help if they want to lynch those players and/or kill other players).
In post 2075, Zoronos wrote:I was making parts of a case D1, though it never got far enough along to be something I was really happy with. What do you think of what I was writing back them?
As I recall, you made the point that boring had a weird read on Shadow_step in 476; I found this the most compelling reason of all those given for suspicion of boring when I did my review in 1299. Somehow I seem to have missed your 1181. In that post, you also make the point that boring wasn't focusing much on PenguinPower after she cast a vote in 349, which I find true. You extended this into a more general impression that boring was not strongly advocating for her favored wagons, which I also find true. I've already discussed why I didn't find her flip onto eagerSnake suspicious after Shadow_step countered the claim.
Your vote for Zoronos is fairly bad. I could perhaps be persuaded that it's wise to defer a decision on your lynch today, but I'd need a good lynch option and Zoronos is not that.
In post 2171, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Lynching me is basically throwing the game, we have it practically solved if we're still believing Gamma's claim and follow his plan he laid out.
This is preeeeeetty false. The game is not "solved" in the case where we just had most of our town power claim all at the same time and we have one mislynch and 0 scum lynches.
This all just reads as flaily.
Not gonna hammer right now (I might later if I feel like it) but I don't really have any problems with luv dying today at this point. I think he's very probably scum.