Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over


User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2075 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:23 am

Post by Zoronos »

In post 2070, Dierfire wrote:My vote is for boring. I haven't seen many good reasons to read her as Mafia, but I've seen none to read her as Town and I think that the VC shows, at a minimum, Mafia players avoiding her wagon.

VOTE: boring
I was making parts of a case D1, though it never got far enough along to be something I was really happy with. What do you think of what I was writing back them?
Not in a place where I can go pull up the posts, sorry.
User avatar
PenguinPower
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
User avatar
User avatar
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
.peng
Posts: 24420
Joined: June 15, 2016
Pronoun: He/Him

Post Post #2076 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:29 am

Post by PenguinPower »

In post 2074, Zoronos wrote:I guess the pertinent question - Penguin, do you think NN was attempting to *actively and malicious* distort your record, or that he a 'wrong but without malice' view of your record / meta?
I think that he misconstrued - though I'm not sure how since he never provided an example - my meta (hence honest lie), and that he legit feels he found a scum slip. I also think that he's wrong on all accounts, and his relentless tunneling based on my initial callout is bad for town.
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald
She/It
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
She/It
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 69100
Joined: August 9, 2016
Pronoun: She/It
Location: Hell on Earth (aka Texas)

Post Post #2077 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:31 am

Post by Gamma Emerald »

@PenguinPower - do you scumread nn30 because of his misconstruation? Simplest we can go.
<Embrace The Void>


My pronouns are she and it, please respect that. I don't mind the occasional slip.
User avatar
PenguinPower
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
User avatar
User avatar
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
.peng
Posts: 24420
Joined: June 15, 2016
Pronoun: He/Him

Post Post #2078 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:43 am

Post by PenguinPower »

No.
User avatar
podoboq
podoboq
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
podoboq
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3021
Joined: November 7, 2015
Location: Cincy

Post Post #2079 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:49 am

Post by podoboq »

Official Vote Count 2.21
LynchingWith 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

Lil Uzi Vert
(5): boring, Prism, Gamma Emerald, implosion, Grendel
Penguin Power
(2): Zoronos, nn30
Zoronos
(1): PenguinPower
boring
(1): Dierfire

Not Voting
(2): Lil Uzi Vert, Shadow_step

V/LA
: Grendel


Deadline
: (expired on 2016-10-30 12:31:00)
Last edited by podoboq on Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
User avatar
Shadow_step
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2956
Joined: May 12, 2016
Location: 221B, Baker Street

Post Post #2080 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:50 am

Post by Shadow_step »

In post 2070, Dierfire wrote:I've read through both PenguinPower and Lil Uzi Vert again. I don't find the depth of analysis that I find in other players (Prism, Zoronos, Grendel). In general I'd characterize this as not making effort to solve the game, which is suspicious.
I suppose that, if I trusted my reads on Prism, Zoronos, and Grendel, I'd start lynching by POE and drop a hammer on Lil Uzi Vert, but I'm reluctant to do so for two reasons.
First, the wagon on Shadow_step after the claim yesterday does not strike me as the sort of place to find a high density of Mafia players (it would have been far easier to vote for eagerSnake). This means that Lil Uzi Vert (and nn30) should be less suspicious than the other players I'm having difficulty reading (boring, PenguinPower). As a parallel to that, if nn30 is less suspicious, it becomes difficult to see why no suspicious players are voting for boring in the quoted VC.
Second, I don't really trust my reads on Prism, Zoronos, and Grendel. I have reasons to read each as Town but I'm simply finding it too good to be true that I've narrowed the Mafia players down so much.
In post 1150, podoboq wrote:
Official Vote Count 1.26
LynchingWith 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

boring
(5): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion, Gamma Emerald, nn30
eagerSnake
(4): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower, Grendel
PenguinPower
(1): Dierfire
Shadow_step
(1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting
(2): Zoronos, Prism


V/LA
: none

Deadline
: (expired on 2016-10-18 15:22:00)
My vote is for boring. I haven't seen many good reasons to read her as Mafia, but I've seen none to read her as Town and I think that the VC shows, at a minimum, Mafia players avoiding her wagon.

VOTE: boring
This is a very good VCA
Eagersnake, maria are town, consider Implo and GE town.
Boring wagon was all town? Unlikely
NN is prob scum
Show
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.

"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach

"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel
User avatar
Shadow_step
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2956
Joined: May 12, 2016
Location: 221B, Baker Street

Post Post #2081 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:54 am

Post by Shadow_step »

Intent to hammer LUV
Show
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.

"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach

"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2082 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:59 am

Post by Zoronos »

In post 2076, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2074, Zoronos wrote:I guess the pertinent question - Penguin, do you think NN was attempting to *actively and malicious* distort your record, or that he a 'wrong but without malice' view of your record / meta?
I think that he misconstrued - though I'm not sure how since he never provided an example - my meta (hence honest lie), and that he legit feels he found a scum slip. I also think that he's wrong on all accounts, and his relentless tunneling based on my initial callout is bad for town.
In post 2077, Gamma Emerald wrote:@PenguinPower - do you scumread nn30 because of his misconstruation? Simplest we can go.
Yeah, this is basically where I was going with the question.
I still hold that my case on Penguin is valid, but I'm not sure I see the second-layer-intent case. That back and forth was kinda mystifying for me so trying to unpack it a tad.
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2083 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:01 am

Post by Zoronos »

In post 2080, Shadow_step wrote: This is a very good VCA
Eagersnake, maria are town, consider Implo and GE town.
Boring wagon was all town? Unlikely
NN is prob scum
In post 2081, Shadow_step wrote:
Intent to hammer LUV
SS - Explain this sequence of posts for me.
So think based on the VCA that NN is prob scum, but you're going to hammer LUV and end the day before investigating that? Or do you feel that LUV's flip is a critical input before that investigation can occur?

Or just independent uncorrelated events?
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald
She/It
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
She/It
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 69100
Joined: August 9, 2016
Pronoun: She/It
Location: Hell on Earth (aka Texas)

Post Post #2084 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:04 am

Post by Gamma Emerald »

I don't think Penguin's actions surrounding his meta are scummy.
<Embrace The Void>


My pronouns are she and it, please respect that. I don't mind the occasional slip.
User avatar
Shadow_step
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2956
Joined: May 12, 2016
Location: 221B, Baker Street

Post Post #2085 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:04 am

Post by Shadow_step »

I want to lock LUV into a claim, I think he is also scum.
I don't want the day to end prematurely no.
Show
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.

"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach

"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2086 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:23 am

Post by Zoronos »

In post 2085, Shadow_step wrote:I want to lock LUV into a claim, I think he is also scum.
I don't want the day to end prematurely no.
Do you think the Boring wagon being 'all town' says anything about Boring, or specifically that NN is scum and hiding on it?
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2087 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:25 am

Post by Zoronos »

In post 2084, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think Penguin's actions surrounding his meta are scummy.
In short, I think my case on Penguin is a good one, and NN's back and forth with Penguin mostly just confused me. He (NN) ended up on a train I like, so I'm trying to figure out how he got there and detangle the order of events.
I like people voting my scum reads, but I like people voting my scum reads for good reasons even more.
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2088 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:39 am

Post by Zoronos »

So.... did LUV just straight up ghost the thread?
User avatar
Lil Uzi Vert
Lil Uzi Vert
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Lil Uzi Vert
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 16278
Joined: August 9, 2016

Post Post #2089 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:43 am

Post by Lil Uzi Vert »

In post 2069, Zoronos wrote:Well then.
LUV - Talk to me. Who are your best scum reads? What do you think about the people voting on you - Whose cases are bad? Or do you think it's all mistaken town? (I am presuming here you are going to claim town and that you're being mislynched.
I feel confident about Penguin but even more so about boring. We're nearly 90 pages in and it's very concerning that no one can't find a reason to town read her. I've also defended myself against her case and she refuses to acknowledge that and is just asking anyone and everyone to vote for me. Prism is doing the same thing, even after I pointed out the problem with his case.

Since I believe Gamma's claim, Impolsion is confirmed town but I don't understand why he has made no effort to read me which makes me question everything. I'm also very suspicious of Grendal now after he just lazily hopped on.
User avatar
Lil Uzi Vert
Lil Uzi Vert
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Lil Uzi Vert
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 16278
Joined: August 9, 2016

Post Post #2090 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:43 am

Post by Lil Uzi Vert »

In post 2081, Shadow_step wrote:
Intent to hammer LUV
I'm a town doc.
User avatar
Lil Uzi Vert
Lil Uzi Vert
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Lil Uzi Vert
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 16278
Joined: August 9, 2016

Post Post #2091 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:44 am

Post by Lil Uzi Vert »

In post 2088, Zoronos wrote:So.... did LUV just straight up ghost the thread?
I was typing lol.
User avatar
Shadow_step
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2956
Joined: May 12, 2016
Location: 221B, Baker Street

Post Post #2092 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:46 am

Post by Shadow_step »

Brilliant, all the lynch baits got all the good PRs :/

VOTE: Nn
Show
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.

"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach

"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2093 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:47 am

Post by Zoronos »

In post 2090, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2081, Shadow_step wrote:
Intent to hammer LUV
I'm a town doc.
Counterclaim, town jailer
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2094 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:48 am

Post by Zoronos »

Bullshit we have a jailer and a doc.
User avatar
Shadow_step
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2956
Joined: May 12, 2016
Location: 221B, Baker Street

Post Post #2095 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:48 am

Post by Shadow_step »

Uhhh wut
Show
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.

"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach

"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel
User avatar
Shadow_step
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2956
Joined: May 12, 2016
Location: 221B, Baker Street

Post Post #2096 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:49 am

Post by Shadow_step »

Mind=blown
Show
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.

"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach

"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel
User avatar
PenguinPower
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
User avatar
User avatar
PenguinPower
He/Him
.peng
.peng
Posts: 24420
Joined: June 15, 2016
Pronoun: He/Him

Post Post #2097 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:50 am

Post by PenguinPower »

Cop, Jailer, Doc, Two Town Ascetics. Why is it bullshit?
User avatar
Zoronos
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Zoronos
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1488
Joined: April 6, 2015

Post Post #2098 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:52 am

Post by Zoronos »

Is something unclear about this sequence of events? I am counterclaiming him because it seems insane to me that we'd have both a jailer and a doc in a game of this size.
Also, there's a reason ascetic jumped out to me as reasonable. It means I can't protect them; I can't interact with them at all - not save them, not roleblock them.
User avatar
Shadow_step
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Shadow_step
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2956
Joined: May 12, 2016
Location: 221B, Baker Street

Post Post #2099 (ISO) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:54 am

Post by Shadow_step »

Someone needs to unvote before luv self hammers.
Show
The shadows betray you, because they serve me.

"Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear." ~Zach

"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel
Locked

Return to “Completed Mini Normal Games”