Micro 651: Worst (Role) Idea(s) Mafia 2 (Fin - Town Win!)

[Davsto]

VC 2.5

Skrub (2): light_ganski, Vaxkiller
Vaxkiller (1): Skrub
Aristophanes (1): Aristophanes

Not Voting (2): Jaack, Vedith

With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch. Deadline in (expired on 2016-11-01 20:45:00).

[Vaxkiller]

I'm such a gullible noob

[light_ganski]

Agh sorry I keep forgetting to check in VOTE: ari

[light_ganski]

VOTE: Skrub still not lynching anything other than this today

[Skrub]

Why'd you vote for Aristophanes when you came in?

[Skrub]

Oh, I forgot that you have to keep changing your vote. Never mind

[Vedith]

@Vedith, do you really subscribe to what Skrub is saying or do you have a different opinion on why you think I'm scum?

I do feel that you trusted me as town a little too easy, but I'm normally paranoid over that anyway so not sure what to think on it.
The fact you think Skrub is scummy doesn't make you scummy but I think you are wrong there.
My biggest concern is where no one really had an opinion on me claiming town SK, and there is no actual way to prove it until I die or game ends.
Ari is a very strong town read and Skrub/Jaack seem less likely to be scum. I do worry that I'm being blind sided though.
So overall, I think Skrub has something on you which I share interest, its just down a different route.

@Vedith - If there is scum outside {vax, light} who is most likely

It's really hard to say.
Light seems to be skimming by while we poke fingers imo. Out of the 2 I'm starting to think that Light is more likely to flip scum and I actually liked Vax's reaction to Jaack as town.
Light also went straight for the Skrub vote which before day start looked promising from a scum perspective.

Gun to the head, I'd choose Light right now.

Thought edit - tired and read wrong. Outside of it Skrub would be scum over Jaack and Ari imo.

[Aristophanes]

@Ari - Can you vote if someone unvotes first?

I can vote if the player is not being voted and voting. Once this is the case, I cannot vote for them.

If a player unvotes, I can vote for them. If a player is voting, but nobody is voting them, I can also vote for them. Does this make sense?

[Skrub]

@Ari - Can you vote if someone unvotes first?

I can vote if the player is not being voted and voting. Once this is the case, I cannot vote for them.

If a player unvotes, I can vote for them. If a player is voting, but nobody is voting them, I can also vote for them. Does this make sense?

So if I unvote Vax, will you vote for him?

[Vaxkiller]

My biggest concern is where no one really had an opinion on me claiming town SK, and there is no actual way to prove it until I die or game ends.

Can't speak for everyone else, but it makes no sense for you to lie about that, as I see it you are what you say and there is either a scum team of 2. Or 1 more SK. There might be a few other options that I'm not aware of because im newish (could there be 2 more SK's and the are odd/even night vigs??? Sounds like a horrible role!)

If you are lying then I would HIGHLY doubt there is a scum team of 2, and there is 1 more SK. I would assume he would try and kill you during the night to make sure you don't kill him the next night. So what is the advantage there for you?

[Aristophanes]

@Ari - Can you vote if someone unvotes first?

I can vote if the player is not being voted and voting. Once this is the case, I cannot vote for them.

If a player unvotes, I can vote for them. If a player is voting, but nobody is voting them, I can also vote for them. Does this make sense?

So if I unvote Vax, will you vote for him?

I don't see a reason not to. What is the case against him?
I would definitely consider him.

[Vaxkiller]

What is the case against him?

Flimsy, made up evidence. You in?

Am I the only person who is bothered by the FACT that Skrub quoted my post out of order with another post, changed my name to Vax Killer in the title? He 100% denies changing my name to Vax Killer.... but there it is: 313 He was so proud of his manifesto he posted it twice: 334

[Skrub]

What is the case against him?

Flimsy, made up evidence. You in?

Am I the only person who is bothered by the FACT that Skrub quoted my post out of order with another post, changed my name to Vax Killer in the title? He 100% denies changing my name to Vax Killer.... but there it is: 313 He was so proud of his manifesto he posted it twice: 334

1. I already said why I quoted vedith's post after yours. He destroyed your aguement and then in the next post you still wanted to act as if you had a point. Even though you tried to change your words slightly, his post already invalidated yours.
2. I didn't change anything
3.How would changing your name make me scum?
4. If my case against you is weak and full of made up evidence, then why do you seem so shook?

[Jaack]

Hmmm... I'm not sure whether to townread, scumread, or lolread vax for his reaction to things. That being said, it muddles things up.

I might wanna take a second look at light.

We might be able to force a win - with Vedith's nk we can kill all of {skrub, vax, light} before N3.

This is some scenario work here:

Spoiler: One Scum Left

Lynch {skrub, vax, light}

[Jaack]

well that was not what i meant to do at all

[Jaack]

It's actually more straightforward than I thought
One Scum Left:
This is a pretty much confirmed win barring shenanigans. We lynch one today. If town, Vedith nks a second one. If the game still isn't over, we will have at least two of {jaack, Vedith, Ari} in lylo vs whichever of them is left. We should be able to win this

Two scum left, unaligned:
This basically works out the same way, except, we can't win on a good lynch today.

Scum team of two left:
This is only an issue if we lynch the town in {skrub, light, vax} AND the scumteam have someway to shut down Vedith's nk.

I have some thoughts on how to deal with this but one question first
@Vedith - To what extent are you BP?

[Jaack]

@Vedith - actually on second thought, don't tell me the extend of your bp, so as not to give scum too much info.

[Vaxkiller]

1. I already said why I quoted vedith's post after yours. He destroyed your aguement and then in the next post you still wanted to act as if you had a point. Even though you tried to change your words slightly, his post already invalidated yours.
2. I didn't change anything
3.How would changing your name make me scum?
4. If my case against you is weak and full of made up evidence, then why do you seem so shook?

1 I know you already answered it. But you havent answered the other part where you changed me name.
2. Yes you did.
3. It doesn't. By why the lie?
4. I'm shook? What behvior makes you think that?

[Vedith]

@Jaack - I'm not really a fan of killing if we mis lynch as I don't want to rule out a team of 2 scum yet.

[Skrub]

1. I already said why I quoted vedith's post after yours. He destroyed your aguement and then in the next post you still wanted to act as if you had a point. Even though you tried to change your words slightly, his post already invalidated yours.
2. I didn't change anything
3.How would changing your name make me scum?
4. If my case against you is weak and full of made up evidence, then why do you seem so shook?

1 I know you already answered it. But you havent answered the other part where you changed me name.
2. Yes you did.
3. It doesn't. By why the lie?
4. I'm shook? What behvior makes you think that?

I don't even know what you're talking about when you keep saying that I changed your name. And the tone of this post makes it obvious that you're shook.

What is the case against him?

Flimsy, made up evidence. You in?

Am I the only person who is bothered by the FACT that Skrub quoted my post out of order with another post, changed my name to Vax Killer in the title? He 100% denies changing my name to Vax Killer.... but there it is: 313 He was so proud of his manifesto he posted it twice: 334

By the way, are you ever going to actually reply to any of the points I made against you in my case? All you've done since I've made is talk about your name and completely ignore everything that I said in it

[Skrub]

1. I already said why I quoted vedith's post after yours. He destroyed your aguement and then in the next post you still wanted to act as if you had a point. Even though you tried to change your words slightly, his post already invalidated yours.
2. I didn't change anything
3.How would changing your name make me scum?
4. If my case against you is weak and full of made up evidence, then why do you seem so shook?

1 I know you already answered it. But you havent answered the other part where you changed me name.
2. Yes you did.
3. It doesn't. By why the lie?
4. I'm shook? What behvior makes you think that?

I don't even know what you're talking about when you keep saying that I changed your name. And the tone of this post below makes it obvious that you're shook.

What is the case against him?

Flimsy, made up evidence. You in?

Am I the only person who is bothered by the FACT that Skrub quoted my post out of order with another post, changed my name to Vax Killer in the title? He 100% denies changing my name to Vax Killer.... but there it is: 313 He was so proud of his manifesto he posted it twice: 334

By the way, are you ever going to actually reply to any of the points I made against you in my case? All you've done since I've made is talk about your name and completely ignore everything that I said in it

EBWOP

[Vaxkiller]

I didn't really feel the need to to be honest, but you are right, it would be rude to dismiss it. I'll address them in a little bit.

[Jaack]

@Jaack - I'm not really a fan of killing if we mis lynch as I don't want to rule out a team of 2 scum yet.

I think you'll need to kill in that situation now that I'm thinking about it...

If we mislynch, it'll be 3t vs 2s going into night. Scum shoots me or ari and its 2v2, which I think would be game over.

[Aristophanes]

@Jaack - I'm not really a fan of killing if we mis lynch as I don't want to rule out a team of 2 scum yet.

I think you'll need to kill in that situation now that I'm thinking about it...

If we mislynch, it'll be 3t vs 2s going into night. Scum shoots me or ari and its 2v2, which I think would be game over.

True.

And you'd have a 66% chance of hitting scum in that case, which is pretty decent! I don't know that you have a choice really.

[Vaxkiller]

I like Jaacks idea, but the order should be Skrub, Light, Jaack