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It wasn't a case to begin with. It was a weak scum read which, based on your response to it, got stronger in my eyes.In post 1997, PenguinPower wrote:
And you're doing 0 to prove your case.In post 1994, nn30 wrote:
You're doing exactly 0 to prove me wrong.In post 1984, PenguinPower wrote:Um...wow. Weak. My scum game has typically been the opposite of what I'm doing now, hence my statement. I'm moving on, because you aren't even trying to defend your (false) statement.
You're doing what Donald Trump has done all campaign. Instead of letting the news cycle get bored of his most recent gaffe, he goes around saying "I didn't do that, I didn't say that" and results in evenmorenews coverage for his gaffe.-
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Game aside, best laugh I had all day. I'll leave him out of this hah.In post 2002, PenguinPower wrote:Lulz. Ok, LUV. You caught me on semantics.
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Aw, F'no. Don't you f-ing compare me to f'ing donald f'ing Trump. Do something the f'else. But don't you bring that shit in here.-
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Yep. Scum.In post 2005, PenguinPower wrote:@nn: That's your opinion. You could prove that you weren't a liar, but you don't.
Town would be attempting to work with me and get me on their side. Because. Ya know. We need to work together to find scum.
Penguin is failing to do that.-
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I am having trouble following the thread of this conversation, but I think we're in meta land again kinda.
I do appreciate that you're with me on PP -> Scum NN! But I'd prefer that meta not be used as the basis for that. Meta for, meta against, all just meta. Meta, in my experience, is fertile ground for confirmation bias. It's too easy to see what you're already looking for in meta.
Anyway. I think the most productive question to ask about PP, the one that leads me to think he's scum, is "Is PP making an earnest effort to solve the game, identify the scum, and advance his case for that? Is he working with his town reads to sort out scum from town?" I feel the answer here is no.
I'm going to be off for a few hours at least, laters.-
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In post 2010, Zoronos wrote:I am having trouble following the thread of this conversation, but I think we're in meta land again kinda.
I do appreciate that you're with me on PP -> Scum NN! But I'd prefer that meta not be used as the basis for that. Meta for, meta against, all just meta. Meta, in my experience, is fertile ground for confirmation bias. It's too easy to see what you're already looking for in meta.
Anyway. I think the most productive question to ask about PP, the one that leads me to think he's scum, is "Is PP making an earnest effort to solve the game, identify the scum, and advance his case for that? Is he working with his town reads to sort out scum from town?" I feel the answer here is no.
I'm going to be off for a few hours at least, laters.
As I've stated, it was a weak read to begin with. It got stronger because of Penguin's reaction to it.-
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Fair.In post 2012, Zoronos wrote:And I respect that. I just wanted to chime in before darting off for the rest of the evening.
That's the main reason I dislike meta. Not that it's always wrong, or that it's always right. It's just so easy to see the thing you're looking for already in it.-
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Absolutely not. You aren't playing ball, so why should I? Prove your scum read - beyond just stating - then I will defend myself.In post 2009, nn30 wrote:Actually, I'll play ball for a second.
Penguin, please explain why I, as a townie, would lie about my meta read on you?-
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I am attempting to do so by asking you questions. I'll try again.In post 2014, PenguinPower wrote:
Absolutely not. You aren't playing ball, so why should I? Prove your scum read - beyond just stating - then I will defend myself.In post 2009, nn30 wrote:Actually, I'll play ball for a second.
Penguin, please explain why I, as a townie, would lie about my meta read on you?
Why would I, as a townie, lie about a meta read on you?-
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First of all, my one line in 1971 about you is not a case.
Second of all, the meta read I had on you was weak.
As scum you play aggressively as you've done this game and are doing right now.
What'snot weakis that you're calling me a liar about my meta read.
I'm trying to figure out exactly why a townie would call me a liar for stating my reasons for reading you.
I'm going to need you to answer my question now.-
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Scum would be attempting to work with you and get on your side. Because. Ya know. They need to not die to win the game.nn wrote:Yep. Scum.
Town would be attempting to work with me and get me on their side. Because. Ya know. We need to work together to find scum.
PP being acerbic isn't scummy. It's arguably (which I'd agree with) bad play, but it's not like it has a scum motivation that makes particularly much sense.
I still really think PP is town. LUV hasn't ever done anything particularly towny to me; I still just have a hard time reading him but I'm fine with him as a lynch (and happier with him than PP). The only thing that really gives me pause is that boring is voting him but associatives are bad etc.
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VOTE: LUV
No real thoughts on gamma's claim; we'll see what tomorrow brings. I do still suspect he's town, pretty strongly at this point (I think the reasons for me to think he's town pretty significantly outweigh the reasons to think he's scum).-
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@mod, what result will a cop get on a traitor?ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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"I'm mightily impressed by Shadow's ability to find town PR's, by the way. He was the one directing the first two nightkills." ~Michel-
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Quoting from the Traitor page on the Wiki: "(In Normal games, a Traitor) gives a 'guilty' result to Cops, an 'innocent' result to Gunsmiths, and a 'Traitor' result to Role Cops."eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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This post encapsulates what confirmed LUV as scum for me. His play since has just acted to further solidify the read. There's nothing to "buy", unless you're going to deny that this is your ISO.In post 1985, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Hm, Shadow seemed like he had more to say about Gamma's claim. Want to hear more from him.
Why am I being scum read again? Anyone actually buy the cases boring and Prism are presenting?
In post 1618, boring wrote:Spoiler:
Since I have time for ISO diving, I thought I'd dredge up these gems.
VOTE: LUV
Now, since we have plenty of time before EOD, I'd "luv" it if you could explain how/why you so drastically flipped script with your intent and hammer. From here, it looks like you magically went from suspecting Shadow (while agreeing that there couldn't be two ascetics) to deciding "yolo! I'm going to hammer the other guy". As far as I can tell, all that happened in between was your trip down the rabbit hole with Gamma.
In other words, laying low hasn't been working for you, so you're gonna have to try to spin your way out of this.In post 1988, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Oh and by the way, I'll be playing from here on forward. Don't think I'll have enough time to do an entire reread of Day 1.
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